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Tyler 00:00
content warning although this is a podcast about kids movies this podcast isn't for kids and may contain content some people find offensive
Misha 00:27
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing a podcast where we discuss and write animated Disney films going in alphabetical order following a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. Don't you're not I'm Misha.
Tyler 00:40
And I'm Tyler. And so,
so Is that so? Is that Minnesota or is that?
Misha 00:49
Oh, yeah, Minnesota.
Tyler 00:51
Okay. It's like what the hell is who's Canadian in this movie? I was like,
Misha 00:57
gotta make a hat dish.
Tyler 01:00
Lovely, lovely.
Misha 01:04
Wallet. Yeah, where were the Minnesotan accents for this like, super Minnesotan family. Yeah, they suck. You blew it.
Tyler 01:15
They fucking blew it. So Minnesota so hockey. Everything was hockey. Oh, hockey. Oh, yeah. You betcha.
Misha 01:24
Well, folks, welcome to the podcast. Caitlyn understand what I said. Cuz you
Tyler 01:31
didn't understand idiots. Welcome. We love you. We're talking about inside out from 2015 and movie all about Minnesota and leaving it? What's the best thing about Minnesota looking at it in the rearview mirror?
01:47
BBU Have you ever been there?
Tyler 01:48
Oh, yeah. It's beautiful.
Misha 01:51
Yeah, I've never been and I want to go actually, it was on our shortlist of places to move to before we moved back to New York. Before I moved back to New York. It's lovely.
Tyler 02:01
I just it's filled with lakes famously. It's her principal from snow and Purple Rain ice. It's got ice. It's got hockey. It's got
Misha 02:16
a prince. That can't that me as the most outside
Tyler 02:21
so nice. Oh, yeah, we got we got some we got some little warning to the fans. There's a possibility of many cat noises in this episode. So we'll see. But hey, thanks for thanks for joining us apologies for a daylight thanks for the patience you know things get in the way scheduling issues and life issues. So this is coming to you late. Oh, geez. That's all my fault. Not his fault. Speaking of missing episodes,
Misha 02:47
it technically I did contribute to it being late. Because I was at Disney World
02:57
if you drinks will Why did you
Tyler 03:08
actually get Crockett. This is a I don't know why that popped
Misha 03:12
- Yes. So actually, Steve and I went, I don't know, eight 910 years ago. And there were only like three places in all of the Disney World parks like actually in the parks where you could get booze. And so we went one of them. We couldn't get a reservation because it was a sit down restaurant. One of them we did and we were like, Okay, here's where we're gonna get all our drinks. All of a sudden that's changed. There's carts galore we just have the most expensive cheap alcohol you could find. And all of the bachelor and bachelorette parties get hammered all over the place especially at Epcot. Oh all of the shirts that said all of the like Disney drinking things. Like drinker Bell.
04:02
Oh boy. Yeah,
Misha 04:05
there was some bad ones like beauty and the buzz that one doesn't like that one.
04:12
It's stupid, but I like it.
Tyler 04:15
Because it's so bad that it's it's enjoyable. I like
Misha 04:18
that one's really bad. There was a there were so many I can't like you know everybody's wearing like their matching shirts this and that yada yada funny things.
Tyler 04:29
That's funny. Why does why wasn't a beauty in the Milwaukee bees. That would have been good. Because that's like a isn't good.
Misha 04:36
Yeah. Like a carrot. I don't know is it
Tyler 04:40
I think it's a beer thing. It's like one of those like Natty Ice type garbage beers but oh, I don't know controversy. I don't want to get it I don't want to get people hate mail. They'd Natty Ice lovers are the Keystone light lovers. That is interesting. I just whenever I think it Disney world I don't think of it as a like a
Misha 04:58
that's actually reg estate just changed it, because they just changed it where every single place especially in Epcot, every place you go to you can get alcohol accepted Magic Kingdom. That wasn't the case. And that was the day where I was like, Okay, I'm two days we were a Magic Kingdom. I really wanted alcohol and we couldn't get it because it was only at sit down restaurants. They claim because of COVID to limit attendance. Let me tell you they do not fucking limit attendance. i Yes. So crowded. I've never seen it. I mean, I don't go that often. But it was disgustingly crowded. No masks.
Tyler 05:44
I I would imagine people just don't fucking care anymore.
Misha 05:48
I were watching kids put their mouths on door handles. And I'm just like,
Tyler 05:53
oh god, yeah. Oh, what a weird Yeah. Back to reality. Oh, okay.
05:59
There goes grab back to reality bombs spaghetti. I don't actually. Yang
Tyler 06:09
we're here to talk about serious things like movies and movies about serious things.
Misha 06:14
And we have Disney questions Disney World questions.
Tyler 06:18
I have a lot of questions but it's clear that I'm mixing Disney World. Disneyland maybe Disneyland Paris maybe
Misha 06:27
you can put some cash money into a strippers G string? No, not that I'm aware of in Disney World proper, but there are probably plenty of places in Orlando where you could do that. Tyler
Tyler 06:40
what's what was the vibe like after the whole fight with the state of Florida.
Misha 06:46
So it's weird, because Disney is definitely capitalizing on like gay pride, and LGBTQIA like pride. So you can buy a lot of different things. There were you know, like things with the new flags with rainbows, etc. Um, but that's it. Like that's, I mean, just
Tyler 07:24
I guess it was like we talked about it. I mean, it was in a postscript in the podcast so we talked about how Disney wasn't really doing enough and and then they did like they did like come out and apologize or something. I forget all the details now. And but
Misha 07:38
then they were penalized by Florida and yeah, oh, there's a whole lot going downward so
Tyler 07:42
Florida's trying to take their land away but they can't legal. Yeah. So yeah, that was wondering if any of that
Misha 07:49
in the air I heard. They are able to take their land back and say okay, you can't govern now. You have to pay taxes and back taxes or all this stuff. None of that was like present at all like my sister and I talked about it before we went but that's it. Hmm. So
Tyler 08:13
Disneyland I mean, if Disney World has to leave Florida that is well, a
Misha 08:20
possible I mean, it's huge at this
Tyler 08:22
point cripple Florida. Would it would Yeah. And there'd be pitchforks at the the beasts castle, aka the governor.
08:31
So at
Misha 08:32
the parade that we went to, like, you know, and so in Magic Kingdom on Main Street, where it's like Main Street, USA, and it's like what the United States was for a little period of time where it was like racist. Oh, okay. And super racist, but like barbershop quartets, and ice cream shops and other weird shit like that. Okay.
Tyler 08:53
Like, was that cute? But sure, okay.
Misha 08:56
I mean, there might have been a couple places that were cute and racist, rather than just ugly and racist like it is now. On that parade, they have like the fantasy of whatever parade before they like people line up for like, an hour before the parade starts. And so they have employees walking around to like, you know, do entertain or take photos or whatever. And they had little, like things, signs that you could hold that says like, it's my first visit, or the gay pride flag and a vote that you could hold. So I was like, okay, at least they're not backing down with
09:47
that. Yeah. But
Misha 09:49
that's it. I did see a guy wearing a blue lives matter. Mickey shirt and I was like, okay, whatever you want. One yeah which is pretty incredible that I only saw one but I was really mad. Because keep that shit out of Disney World let us just pretend for like the time being that none like, you know, external politics don't exist just having to try to have a good time. Yeah.
Tyler 10:19
I mean anything that can be sold on a t shirt will as evidenced by like big T shirts from the 90s so well
Misha 10:29
it's all customized you can get anything custom made and like Etsy I'm sure if you just Google Blue Lives Mickey ears you'll fucking fine like up the wazoo shit that people are selling. Oh,
Tyler 10:39
yes, that famous mobster. Oh, Mickey. Yours was that Mickey boys Vicki blue eyes. Mickey Blue Lives Matter.
Misha 10:50
Isn't that Hugh Grant? Was that I've never seen it. He
Tyler 10:57
Okay, wait, I know this. He is getting married to Jeanne Tripplehorn. If I getting her name correct. She was also in Waterworld. But turns out her dad is in the mob. And so like Mickey, or Hugh Grant's character, like it starts getting like dragooned into mob business stuff. But he's English and new proper. So it's funny. And James Caan can't move his head. Which is also funny. I don't know if it's an injury. That's
Misha 11:31
what do you like? Okay. I don't know anything about that movie. Title and that Hugh Grant, isn't it? That's
Tyler 11:38
all you need to know. Okay. That was back when Grant was a thing. Remember that? The 90s are crazy. Anyway, back to business. Welcome, everybody. Again, we rate these movies giving them scores.
Misha 11:54
So welcome, and then you say welcome. Do you want to do the welcome? I just heard so you know, repeat it. I will. I will repeat it because
Tyler 12:06
I just like being a welcoming, friendly
12:09
face.
Misha 12:12
Hey, buddy, if you didn't hear Tyler the three times before this, welcome to our podcast, podcast where we welcome people and make you feel welcome by welcoming you.
Tyler 12:24
Yeah, I think that is a podcast called just welcome. Anyway, so but if not TM, TM, TM, TM, TM. Originality. That's one of the categories stories also category animation, music and sound protagonist, sidekick villain. henchmen strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor.
12:46
And then we give
Tyler 12:48
negative points if something doesn't sit right. Icky, Dicky as it were, and bonus points for bonus points for effervescence. That's special Disney magic, giving a total score out of 110
Misha 13:03
does it sit? Right? Just do it?
Tyler 13:06
I think I think yeah, that's fine with me. It can be addicting.
13:10
Okay. Um,
Tyler 13:12
is it actually getting changed in the
Misha 13:15
ticket? It was a joke.
Tyler 13:16
Well, I mean, it's a funny joke. But we got to think about because I actually don't like it. All right. All right. All right.
Misha 13:26
So Misha, what's this movie about Misha,
Tyler 13:29
what is inside out all about?
Misha 13:33
Actually, I wish I didn't ask you to do that, because I'm not really sure. Okay. I watched it twice. I watched it only time. I watched it once. And then like 90%, maybe 95% the second time around. Okay, Inside Out is about the mental health of a little girl who is 10 years old. She's 11 moves. A little while like you, Tyler. She moves from Minnesota. She is forcibly moved from Minnesota to San Francisco by her parents. Yep. And then we it we are seeing the inside of how her mind works. And something is wrong. This is not how brains work. So we get to see her mental illness from the inside out. And she's happy in Minnesota, and then really sad in San Francisco. And so her emotions are changing, and we're just watching their journey. The emotions, joy, sadness, fear, anger and disgust because children only have five emotions. They're coping thing or inability to cope with the changes. And so what happened? She said i Dad, she's sad this is starting to take over.
15:17
Oh no. Oh no. But then joy
Misha 15:20
ruins things by by not letting sadness affect her memories like controlling memories.
15:33
Yeah,
Misha 15:34
so she joy is like no no no these are happy memories don't like sadness affect these memories. But you know it's bitter. They're bittersweet memories because she is sad because she remembers what a great time she had the girl the human child whose mind they're inside. Riley Riley parents saying thank you, Mom and Dad duck.
Tyler 16:02
Nailed it. Nailed it.
Misha 16:07
Thank you. Thank you. So the memories while they're full of joy at the time. You know, she's thinking about them. But it's bittersweet because she said that she now lives in San Francisco because we all know it's just the worst place in the world where the only food you can get as broccoli pizza, and as everybody knows it, that's the worst possible thing you could ever eat in
Tyler 16:39
your life. For this 11 year old Yes. Which is
Misha 16:44
bullshit by the way. It's very tasty. Both my nephew's love broccoli and ate all their broccoli when we were in Disneyworld when we ordered them broccoli, nice. And
Tyler 16:55
broccoli pizza is very good. Shout out to McGill's and Kentucky boom.
16:59
Okay.
Tyler 17:03
Broccoli pizza there. Just remember, that's where I had it. It
Misha 17:05
was there. Broccoli on pizza everywhere.
Tyler 17:08
But that's where I had it. So I wanted to give a shout out to the most special pizza place in the world.
Misha 17:13
God, I just wish I was eating pizza right now. Okay, so that's my constant. Joy is trying to prevent sadness from affecting her core memories. And the core memories are the memories that affect your personality where everything else is just bullshit dumb, useless, doesn't matter. There's only like a handful of them. Nothing else matters. So joy, trying to control the core memories, knocks all of the core memories out of existence.
17:48
And then
Misha 17:51
Riley is personality is affected by it. Yep. And her memory and her ability to physically do things. And it's like a pretty significant disease that is affecting every aspect of her life where she can't function anymore. Yeah,
Tyler 18:20
she becomes like an angsty nihilist.
Misha 18:24
She's like physically not able to do the things she wants us to do. Because of these weird creatures in her head, that are her emotions are also affecting her. Not just her personality, but like her body. And so joy and sadness, get sucked up into a section of her brain. I don't know. And then have to get back to the control center. to better manage her emotions, and on the way since they're not there to do that, and because they've sort of broken her core memories. Riley
19:21
can't cope with anything. Hmm,
Misha 19:23
can't do it's joy and sadness, trying to get back to the forefront of her mind. As she's, her brain is degrading. She's if they don't get back, she's just gonna be brain dead. In
Tyler 19:43
fact, she's just gonna move back to Minnesota. I don't know what's gonna happen that but
Misha 19:50
I don't know. She like can't play hockey anymore. She can't have joy anymore. She's just going to turn into a sour postless up.
20:00
Yeah,
Tyler 20:01
but she has enough brain to buy a bus ticket and get on a bus and eat right which
Misha 20:10
is a bit of like it's degrading. But yeah, watching it crumble her brain her entire mind her, all of her abilities are crumbling. Long story short, Joy realizes, but not fully. That sadness. Her sole the sole purpose of sadness is to create more moments of joy, which is bullshit, nearly make it back to control and everything's fine. And as I say, is that the moral? She did not ever acknowledge sadness being helpful on her own. She only realized that sadness serves a purpose because it leads to more moments of joy.
Tyler 20:55
Yeah, I guess that is pretty odd. Okay, yeah, that's pretty well, not
Misha 20:59
okay. She started so when, and we'll get into this with the story. So when sadness is comforting Bing Bong, the imaginary friend, the imaginary friend who has been for mostly forgotten but not fully yet. By Riley, her elephant rabbit, Dolphin, cotton candy friend. Sadness is comforting. Bing Bong, because he's sad that Riley's forgetting him. Yep. So sadness is comforting him by being sad. Like, there's a function that sadness serves. It's okay to be sad. There's no such thing as a bad emotion there. They all serve a purpose. But joy starts to mention it. And then they're like, and then big bugs, like there's the train, and then she forgets it. And then later, she was like, Wait a second, this joy couldn't have happened. People wouldn't have shown up for her if there wasn't sadness. So it's always still about joy. It's never about the other emotion serving a purpose on their own. So it's a shitty Murrell, where joy still wins in the end, and is the dominating thing. And she acts like everything is existing, all the other emotions exist to support her. The end.
Tyler 22:25
That is a that's a that is a severe take, but probably the right one. My thinking was maybe I'm just like being too optimistic about it was like, because it wasn't, I guess directly stated. So my thinking was joy realizes in the end that all emotions are necessary because in the end, you see the the core memories are like, multicolored. So I think it was
22:47
like she thinks she
Misha 22:48
thinks those need to exist for her own sake for July 1 Joy to happen. Yeah, she never gets to the point. You never see a core memory where there isn't joy in it.
Tyler 23:03
Oh, is that true? Oh, boy.
Misha 23:09
I don't know. I think so. But like, that's how they make, like, oh, it's all about joy. Hmm.
Tyler 23:17
Well, in the beginning, for sure. I'm just wondering at the end, when you see like all of that, like after ever, ever, like happiness is happened or whatever, like the movies over or like the climax is over. And they're back in the
Misha 23:32
thing I do, like at the end where they're like, great. We figured it all out. She's happy she settled. She's 12 What could go wrong? Because you already happens. And they don't know about and she goes What's puberty? Now? It's cute. Yeah. So
Tyler 23:49
yeah, I don't know. It's gonna take too long to look back. But I'd be interested to see if there are any, like multicolored ones that don't have joy. I want to say there were I saw like a blue and red one and like a green and red, like disgust and anger. And like, maybe it was like fear and anger or like sadness and anger. I can't remember. But I think at the end there is but but I would agree with you that joy doesn't
Misha 24:14
explicitly say it gets to the point where it's like you have value as an emotion on your own, not just because you're connected to joy or joy can exist without that. And that's not okay.
24:28
I mean, I mean, she seems no it's not
Misha 24:31
okay. I know it's not okay. But I think she's she's also controlling and like, she never lets go of that. Like, I let you I will let you do this.
Tyler 24:40
That's in the beginning, but by the end she's like very, very team player. Very. Yeah,
Misha 24:46
she's she guess, but it's still just kind of like, chi learns this by being like, oh, that joy wouldn't have happened without you. Not like people need to agree. If, because if you didn't have sadness or anger, you'd be a fucking sociopath. Yeah. I'm sorry if you can't have the ability to feel sadness or anger on its own without it being coupled with joy. That's like kind of not okay. And sociopathic tendencies. Right? Like, if you see somebody you know, get hurt, and that you care about. You shouldn't just feel joy all the time. You should feel sorrow for that, like, compassion. Hello, sometimes Shit happens. Yeah. Even to kids. Yeah.
Tyler 25:34
It's a very, it's a, shall we say? overly simplistic take on emotions, for sure.
Misha 25:41
So, anyway, there's a synopsis. Let's get into the story, since we're kind of talking about skin into the story. Yeah. It's overly simplistic takeout emotions, but the way they map our brains that was like, I was very confused in that whole world was very complicated. So it's, like complicated where it shouldn't be and simple where it should be. Yeah, where shouldn't be? There's no way it was like this. The worst part? I think that was the worst part of the movie. The story? Yes, thinking about it. Like if you thought about what was going on, it ruined it. If you could just sit back and relax and like enjoy the writing. Enjoy the humor. Enjoy the animation. Sure, fine, whatever.
Tyler 26:24
Yeah, I agree. I think the story is, is the weak link because it's like, it's not even about the world because the world inside the head is actually I think an interesting thing. Like there's like the abstract thought room and there's like, the train of thought hahahahaha there's like the imaginary boyfriend machine that spits out imaginary boyfriends. All of that like world building is interesting. It's just like the actual plot of leaving home being sad but not being able to deal with emotions and the emotions are controlling you and then like the whole Reilly part of the story was super weak I thought there needed to be there needed to be like well more dimensions to like her side of it and
Misha 27:05
make sense to me. Yeah. Makes sense to me either because the islands so Okay. Your personality so you have these core memories which are important points a lot during your life that lead to aspects of your personality. Her personality was family goofball Island. Honest hockey.
27:31
Friendship st Yeah,
Tyler 27:33
honesty wrenching. Yeah. Which is just absurd.
Misha 27:37
Doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make sense, right? Like what what are those?
Tyler 27:44
I don't know. And then like when they start crashing and crashing
Misha 27:47
right. But memories were okay explain to me what happened with the core memories?
Tyler 27:56
So the core memories are the know for whatever record memories I know for whatever reason those need to be all happy because when sadness touches one it sets off a chain reaction and like
Misha 28:10
oh no, no, that's not true. Sadness touched it and it made it sad but joy was grabbing Yeah, she was grabbing me all like fell out. Yeah. But they felt joy knock them out. Yeah, that was what happened. And then what of what
Tyler 28:26
and then one of them that what which one crashes down first I can't the friendship one crashes when she gets mad at her friend for meeting a new friend. The goofball one crash I just don't know what
Misha 28:38
that is. No, I don't know what it is. Are we watching
Tyler 28:42
it's like a young in archetype taken way too far to like my my personality is these is like a a color wheel. And that's it. I mean, it's yeah, it's like overly simplistic like you said, it's she's she's got she's one quarter goofball, one quarter honesty, one quarter family, and one quarter fun or friendship. And I think we're missing one. There's like, I don't know if hockey was one or if there was
Misha 29:10
another thing hockey was one because when she which is weird. But
Tyler 29:16
um, yeah, I don't. That's not what a personality is. Well, sure. Of course not. I mean, this is the type of thing
Misha 29:24
like I just don't even understand what was happening. What are these core memories not going into the chute feeding these things, but only a few of them? What were those? why would her whole personality crumble and become non existent?
Tyler 29:42
And maybe they're trying to go for this. I mean, I don't know. Maybe they're trying to go for this thing where like, something big crumbles and is replaced by something new. But there that was the limbo. We're meeting her in that Limbo stage where like, new things haven't been formed yet. So it's like a crisis of identity. But it's very confusing because it's just like, it's yeah, it's by focusing on joy and sadness traveling through the landscape of her mind, which is interesting. But it's just it makes no sense. It just makes no sense at all.
Misha 30:13
I think that part is cute. Yes, but I really couldn't get a grasp on the islands and the rest of the balls, and we
Tyler 30:26
never go to the islands either.
30:27
I don't think. So.
Tyler 30:29
They all get shut down, like right near the beginning.
Misha 30:34
What are the rest? The rest of the balls are just memories, right? Okay. And then they get forgotten, right? Where
Tyler 30:39
we go to like long term memory we go to like, realm of imagination. We go to abstract thought,
Misha 30:45
what about the ability to just like logic? Or think in the moment or problem solve? Like, yeah, resolve that? Probably. Those
Tyler 30:58
are what our brains probably those are spaces in this weird Candyland as well. We just didn't visit them. Yeah, I don't know. It's just like, I mean, when I first watched this movie, when it came out, I enjoyed it, because it was fun and interesting, but this time being more critical. The story is just that the story is super weak. But I mean, yeah, but yeah, also,
Misha 31:25
I mean, I get okay. 10 year olds are probably all bratty. But like, what a bratty 10 year old to move to a fucking new house and just be like, Okay, actually, you know what, probably every 10 year old would be upset and Mr. Home. So nevermind, but like, oh, this place is gross and like, but in the like, I'm saying that as an adult, but okay, a 10 year old can also only hate someplace new, of
Tyler 31:49
course. And also the place was disgusting. There's a dead mouse in her room.
Misha 31:55
And also, let's feel bad for the mouse instead.
Tyler 31:58
But she does she do her first thoughts are like, okay, and then like, maybe we can work with this. She tries to cheer up her parents who are all stressed out. Like she's a good kid. She's just got like, the problem with his movies. She is the whole actual human thing is not interesting because they're their actions are dictated by these things in the brain. To the extent that Riley is not actually like a character that we kind of,
Misha 32:28
like robots. She's a robot robot being controlled by something else, which I mean, arguably, we could say like, our emotions sometimes do take control.
Tyler 32:39
And we see the mom and the dad we also have people are not people but things inside them too. Which by the way, the I don't know how you feel about this, but the fact that the moms get an animation thing, the Sunday animation thing. Yeah. Okay. It's just like so joy is joy is the leader of the de facto leader or whatever dominant force in Riley in the mom had sadness, which I don't know how to feel about that. I don't I mean, I guess I guess it's fine. Like some people are just sad. I'm pretty sad person. I think probably sadness is the dominant one in my head. I'm basically Charlie Brown. I
Misha 33:16
mean, I you know, the drawings I used to the little, like, simple faces I would make of you. Yeah, it's just frowny faces. I saw me Tyler, I
Tyler 33:28
love you, too. I identify with that. But and also, that whole okay, we can get into it later. But that really made me sad. Like that whole dinner Dinner scene. Really sad dinner scene made me really so
Misha 33:42
that dinner scene was awful. Where he's like, busy daydreaming about hockey or something. Yeah.
33:50
Which
Tyler 33:52
I don't know, that doesn't make sense. Because the fact so there was a lot wrong with it. The part I did like about it was how that was the part when for those who haven't seen this in a while, joy and sadness are gone. So like fear and disgust and anger are trying to like, keep the ship going. And that was maybe that was one of the more enjoyable parts because like watching them fumble around was kind of funny. Because it's like Bill Hader and Louis black and Mindy Kaling just going bonkers. Yeah, it was fun. So from from Riley's perspective at the dinner table is great, but the dad is like daydreaming about hockey, and very like macho sort of toxic masculine critters inside of him. And it's weird that he's thinking about hockey because he's super stressed out about his job. In that moment, he would be focused on work. Like he wouldn't be he wouldn't be dangerous hockey. He will be. He's off somewhere. He's
Misha 34:43
excessively stressed out. He's
Tyler 34:45
obsessively stressed out with the stupid Silicon Valley startup that he's involved in. Yep. Despite the fact that he looks like 45 and has a mustache. And the mom is daydreaming about it. 25 and have a mustache and the mom sadness rule Is her brain and she's daydreaming about some hot Brazilian dude. And it just super depressed me like it's not a happy face. Yeah, it really depressed the heck out of me. Yeah, but I do get the I did I did kind of like that sadness was the ruler of them. So
Misha 35:16
they all have. So what was also weird is that the mom's emotions, they were all the same, like all of the little emotions in her brain, they all behave exactly the same. The dad's all of his emotions, they all behaved exactly the same. So it's like, you have a child who has five very different emotions. And then you have two adults, and they're all like, kind of the same. Like there's this is how they emote this one way and they all doll to one kind of thing. Yeah. And I thought that was really weird. And I don't I just don't understand. I didn't understand what was going on. And like any part of the movie with the plot,
Tyler 36:04
it's like and that's like a inaccurate and be just kind of depressing to think about that. We're so dead to the world that all of our emotions are like the same.
Misha 36:13
Right, like flatlining in terms of emotions. Yeah. I
Tyler 36:19
don't know. So what do you think about it like a score for story? So let's think about this. The story is joy is over controlling. Like happy go lucky joy, but but over over the
Misha 36:29
top controlling and mean and mean, to sad,
Tyler 36:33
sadness? Yep. Who is great sadness. It's so cute. And high drinks, everything falls apart. And they have to like try to put the pieces back together by traveling back to the control center along the way. We learned the lesson kind of and we need Bing Bong.
Misha 36:49
It's like stars, the emotions right there. Like it's about the emotions inside Riley's head, not Riley. Yeah, I understand it. I don't, I don't understand a lot of what they're doing. They just have to get back to control centers
Tyler 37:01
have to get back to. But the thing is, like, that's, that's what they think is what needs to happen. But it turns out that that's not what needs to happen. They just need to like shift their perspective and work better together. Like that's what really needs to happen. But they don't know that until Joy realizes sadness was there all along in the back. So yeah, I mean, I think it's just it's so colorful and so crazy that like the story gets lost in the in the craziness, if they
Misha 37:28
really wanted if they really wanted to, like hit home with joy, learning that sadness has a purpose. They would have done more with that they're like really wasn't that much with that, right? That's kind of the point. But instead, it was just like, a journey through the mind. Because that's like fun and interesting. Quirky, so then they shouldn't have made it about joy, realizing that sadness plays a part, right? And like, I don't know, it's just and yeah, I don't know, it was just like,
Tyler 38:00
or the or once she realizes that don't then shift back to her being the protagonist who needs to get back because then right after that she would bring bongs help gets out of the loss memory place and then like what she thinks with all the, but
Misha 38:15
she tries to find sadness, but it's kind of just like,
Tyler 38:18
but it's like, but yeah, she she realizes sadness is important. So then she finds her and then brings her back in they scan they catapult back up. And it's I don't know, it's just like, oh, like the whole so you just you just realized personality
Misha 38:30
things should not have been so okay, that's what I think the problem is they added the personality islands fucking leave that out. Don't make that is I think that's what confused me the most just fucking leave that out make it just about emotions, right? Like, they added all this weird stuff that was confusing like the Islands The islands are so fucking important, but they shouldn't have included that. I think they did it to be like, Look how catastrophic This is. But they didn't need to include those and I thought those were more important than the lesson. Joy was learning. Right?
Tyler 39:11
I think also Yeah, and I think also
Misha 39:15
like what were those islands when they what the fuck were they? Yeah, they
Tyler 39:20
never they were they just like representations of something or who cares? We
Misha 39:26
can have emotions in present time. Right like that
39:31
are all of a
Misha 39:33
sudden out of like spinning out of control because we've moved to a new place and we don't know how to cope and we're trying to figure it out. That's it. Just make it about the emotions and not
Tyler 39:42
like these these like sort of archetypes or like not archetypes with like these, like concrete edifices of your personality, which is what they're like, this is you Yeah, Riley you're a golf ball. Oh, that's crumbling. Now you're no longer a goofball. You can never be goofball anymore.
Misha 39:58
Right she could do Be like struggling emotionally and that is yeah heavy enough that has enough of a consequence right
Tyler 40:08
I think that's why I liked the thing if they cut out the islands
Misha 40:11
stuff
40:12
yeah
Tyler 40:14
I think also I liked how I think basically yeah the Another problem I had was the translation of what's going on in the head to outside like I liked I think one reason I liked the dinner table thing is because it was like anger trying to be joyful or like what like disgust being joyful and it comes out as like sarcasm
Misha 40:32
Well, I think also just who the actors and I think that's those is fun to watch. But yeah, try right discuss trying to be joyful and coming across as sarcastic and disgusted I thought it was done well and if we had more of sort of that dynamic between what you're feeling in your head and then trying to do something else outwardly and not working like I just focus on emotions and that's it not
Tyler 41:02
the other weird instead of like the Trent Yeah, the translation to real life Riley like pup being puppeted weekend Bernie style by the emotions was a little bit I think yeah, like they needed that needed to be more nuanced basically is what I'm trying to say. But it's like I don't know they they dumbed it down to try to be for kids but But kids are smarter than that. I don't know maybe not but I feel like they overcomplicated things by trying to simplify in Goofy also made
Misha 41:31
it complicated by adding the islands of personality just fucking leave the personality bit out of it and like really just work through the emotions and focus on that if that's what the end is hinging on
41:46
Yeah, a great at it
Tyler 41:48
I don't do we now I don't remember do we ever see like new personality islands
41:54
No,
Tyler 41:56
I think the family what the family wants starts running again. Yeah, but
Misha 42:01
yeah, it's anyone who fucking cares it's not like what the fuck is the personality thing is like a whole other thing that's like too much to get into and overcomplicated the story where they could have kept it really simple but like dug deep in the simple ideas and they just added too much they were just like throw this in Yeah. Oh, that
42:27
it that's too much.
Tyler 42:30
Okay, agreed. I didn't like the stories and I said that so angry. I think it was the worst part to me because your
Misha 42:37
little Louis Black is like getting mad in your head pushing buttons.
42:41
Yeah yeah, I
Tyler 42:45
think it's like it's it might not get the lowest score just looking ahead but it is the it is like the weakest thing that is actually in the movie. Like looking at some of the categories come on welcome by the way
Tyler 43:04
Okay, so what do we want to give for a story score like a two
Misha 43:07
Yes, most Okay. Okay.
Tyler 43:12
I think a one might be a bit too harsh
Misha 43:14
Did you get a one two Chicken Little works oh yeah chicken this story of Chicken Little makes more sense to me than inside out not saying it should get
Tyler 43:28
but it's but it's a but it's just so fucking bad. It's
Misha 43:32
like Tasia for not their fault caught wait cars and cars to that
Tyler 43:42
no, we're not doing can't do this again. We can't do this every single episode you like you have a read this like different feeling about cars. Cars stinks. Go watch cars again. Forgot to go watch it again. No. Cars to again?
Misha 43:58
No, because I I know Mater's in it a lot and I like but I think about cars too. And why is he in it?
Tyler 44:08
Here's what we're gonna do cars too. He's the he's the you just keep forgetting.
Misha 44:12
I just think that's it.
Tyler 44:16
Okay, Episode 50 Episode 50 Here's my proposal for like sort of mid up either like a if we do Patreon or like maybe like a bonus episode around Christmas to
Misha 44:27
watch cars react to it and it's like my life like
Tyler 44:32
we yeah we go back and revisit cars too and just
Misha 44:36
because you're telling me there's a lot of data on it my brain is trying to protect me from drama. My my tropical island they just launched a bomb to trauma Island. The cars to got like altered.
Tyler 44:54
If you had personality islands, what do you think that I can't remember she had four or five let's say for just for Okay, what would your four personality islands be?
Misha 45:03
Animals?
Tyler 45:06
Silly. Okay. Yeah. Eating ocean Sure. Does eating count as a Yeah, sure.
Misha 45:18
Okay, eat it like the whole like all food food food Island, Rhode Island.
Tyler 45:23
Mine would ya? Okay ocean animals. Silly and it
Misha 45:29
doesn't include humans. I feel bad but like No,
Tyler 45:33
it doesn't know. I mean, that's pretty pretty you in a nutshell.
Misha 45:36
Oh, thanks. I care about people. Guess what humans are animals fucking Tyler they're included on that island. You're not?
Tyler 45:44
I don't. When I say they're not animals. I'm that's me being nice to animals. That's not actually
Misha 45:51
I see. I appreciate that. That makes sense. Yeah. Okay. diapason Yeah, like it good. What are yours? Okay,
Tyler 45:59
mine would be I mean, I would I don't want to say eating. I don't want to repeat what you said. I would just say like, say pizza Island.
Misha 46:04
Just pizza. It's
Tyler 46:05
true. Just pizza. Pizza. Like other food, but if just pizza. I mean if it's got to be a food. I mean, like it should be shaped like Pizza Hut from Spaceballs? That's
Misha 46:17
disgusting. It's
Tyler 46:18
one island. Does dripping. Girls. What am I in pizza that farts? Pizza farts friends.
46:28
farts are so
Tyler 46:30
I love them. By the little girls, by the way, like, most of what they do is just fart and burp. And it's like the best thing in the world. I love it so much. I mean, it's not great for them. Gas is bad. They crime
Misha 46:41
in farts a lot. And usually it smells but sometimes when we're on walks together I hear I hear a little while we're walking it up like, okay, that's like kind of cute because he's whacking
Tyler 46:52
farts are great. Farts beats, calm down friends and
Misha 46:57
have a fart Island as your personality because why not? Okay, it's your personality. Tyler, I would never ever ever think like, Okay, what makes Tyler Tyler his farts? No. I lived with you. That's not a thing that makes your personality.
Tyler 47:16
This is aspirational. Okay, then, if this is really aspirational,
Misha 47:20
this is just like part of your being who you are. Okay,
Tyler 47:24
long, very long. poops is one of them that if it's really up
Misha 47:28
it 20 minute long as I can throw up.
Tyler 47:33
Grumpy, passive aggressive sadness Island is one of them. Maybe?
Misha 47:39
Okay, yeah. See? That's yeah.
Tyler 47:42
Caring Island caring and caring and sharing Island. I care too much. All right. Let's jump back. Originality. This is pretty original name your
Misha 47:57
four islands. Yeah, I love this. It's super original. 10 I love the idea. Yeah. 10 out of 10 Good.
48:05
I mean,
Tyler 48:08
yeah, it didn't come from anything. It's just like, interesting idea of like, oh, let's let's make a better movie than we have been making because they were like into seek doing a lot of sequels. And they're like, let's make an interesting
Misha 48:19
movie. Love the idea. Like, what's inside our minds? Like what's going through our minds thoughts? emotions, feelings. Love it. Yeah.
48:28
Now never been done.
Tyler 48:30
A lot of it's dumb. Like the fact that joy is the first emotion that a baby experiences stupid. That's just not true. But
Misha 48:38
no, it's trauma. They're fucking like what? Like, yeah, yeah, it's trauma. So,
Tyler 48:43
yeah, I think 10 Yeah. Yeah.
Misha 48:49
I mean, part of that joy being the first and also when the baby opens her eyes and she sees her parents babies can't see. Baby can't see ship. Babies can't see anything for a while at like, after four weeks, they can start to see weird colors like that's
Tyler 49:07
yeah, they're even like, I mean, I know this now intimately. They're little like picture books that are just black and white to show like month olds and stuff like that. Yeah, um,
Tyler 49:20
it's also weird that like the emotions see through the eyeballs it that's also kind of weird to like, are they looking through the eyes? Or are they looking through like a weird third eye?
Misha 49:31
Right? Because if you get hit by something, you're and like, if I'm looking at something, a cute cat, and someone comes and hits me it's not the cat. that's causing my wish. It's at that moment. It's somebody hitting me. Right? You see what I'm saying? Like, Oh,
Tyler 49:51
I see what you're I thought you're gonna say like if the cat scratches your eye can you can the emotions no longer see or know
Misha 49:58
the cats like put it away? I'm a cute kitten and then another asshole shows up from behind me and smacks me on the back of the head says you're a dump bitch. I'm gonna be upset about what I just felt and heard. Not what I'm looking at. I don't know is like what I came up with is like,
Tyler 50:14
Yeah, but no, I mean kit are the emotions looking through eyeballs. What is going on there? What is their viewfinder? Yeah.
Misha 50:22
It's kind of their viewfinder is all of our senses. And they're not taking account into account any other senses. Yeah.
Tyler 50:30
So I mean, what the what we what we see them looking at is actually all the senses put together. Like it's like a
Misha 50:38
and what about blind people?
Tyler 50:41
Well, because I'm trying to be inclusive here like people that don't have sight getting that from and they like can hear things and well, that's that's, that's my, that's the query is like, what are they? Are those eyeballs they're looking at us or do they live behind our eyeballs? No,
Misha 50:58
I know. But the movie does not portray that at all is what I'm saying is a problem.
Tyler 51:04
It is odd. All right. We can't this is getting into cars territory, but just how weird this movie is.
Misha 51:10
I mean, you see them shaped like little eyes. It's weird. Okay, Animation,
51:17
Animation. I think it's also very good. It's very good. It's beautiful.
Misha 51:23
It's very beautiful. are surprisingly well done. Because it's like always my least favorite part. Yeah.
Tyler 51:29
Anime tin the specimen teeth. The teeth are weird, but that's just because teeth are weird, I think.
Misha 51:36
I think so.
Tyler 51:38
You're at the people. Okay. But I mean, it's just beautiful. It's very colorful.
Misha 51:42
Good job with light. Yeah. And darkness and all of the fun characters like Bing Bong,
Tyler 51:50
bong. Cotton candy body looks really good. Yeah, yeah. You could almost see the filaments of sugar. Yeah, the it's so colorful but you're right to point out like the the darkness like when it does get like sort of shadowy and, and spooky and scary. A little bit in Seville. Not so spooky. But when they go to that, like, whatever it was called the place where things get forgotten.
52:15
Yet
Misha 52:16
the valley or whatever? Yeah. Memories. Yeah, it was really great. It was really good. Yeah. Oh, something I do want to say about the story that I did like was how are the dreams take place in a movie studio? Right? Like yeah, not active. Like real memory. They're fake. Yeah. And that was one of my favorite parts. It was really interesting. scene was one of them. We
Tyler 52:44
totally forgot about that. Yeah, they go through. Yeah, actually, I
Misha 52:48
would bump that up to a three for the whole part like
Tyler 52:52
our to get family fun. Yeah, they have to wake up Riley to get back I don't remember why but they have to wake her up. So they go to the dream thing to scare her
Misha 53:00
cuz the train of thought which they're taking to the control center doesn't run while she's sleeping.
Tyler 53:06
Yeah. And speaking of like, dark and kind of scary they go to like the subconscious and they meet that weird clown. I totally forgot about that part to her nightmares. Yeah, that's interesting. Like all the nightmares.
Misha 53:19
I love the movie studio part. I said it was so good. Like, that's really clever. And that's a story thing. So I would bump it up to a three for that whole. Yeah.
Tyler 53:30
I like how they Yeah, I think that's fine. And I like how they show in that part. It is well done how they show like what Riley sees in her dream through through fear watching it. And like what's actually like the the horse cut in half and stuff like that. Yeah.
Misha 53:47
The dog right where there's a dog. Yeah, but it's just the two joy and sadness together. And like one of those doggie costumes like like the horse costumes, I think it's a dog. Right? With the lens. They put this lens over the camera that changes that her purse Riley's perception of what she sees in her dream, and it's like, a dog. cuttin
54:08
Yeah. Yeah. Great.
Tyler 54:11
Yeah, so three story. That's I think that's good.
Misha 54:14
And I think Drac thought part was really cute and fun. And that was like, yeah, the animation on that was really fun to watch.
54:22
Yeah. Yeah,
Tyler 54:24
it was like going sort of 2d to or sort of abstract art to 2d. What else I liked I mean, like all the movement looks really good. I even liked I liked how the main characters look like how Joy's a little sort of frizzy on the edges. Yeah, her sort of frenetic energy
Misha 54:42
of them was different. Like almost like, not crayon but like colored pencil where you don't have sharp edges. Yeah, it was really nice. I liked it. Anger
Tyler 54:54
while he's getting stoked up you can see like the heat and then the fire comes that was a So cool like all these like really nice touches. I think it's a 10 I think it's a 10 Okay.
Misha 55:08
I don't think it's a 10
55:09
Oh, contract size.
Misha 55:10
I think it's high but I don't think it's a 10 I would go as far as a nine I don't think it's perfect just because I
Tyler 55:20
can't take off points for story reasons can't take points off his daughter. Oh,
Misha 55:23
it wasn't story reasons. I'm not saying story reasons. Don't assume my reasons.
55:31
I just,
Misha 55:32
I think it was good and executed how they wanted it to but it wasn't exactly all what I enjoyed, like style wise. And the characters were kind of like they were done well, but it was just there was some like the choices they made. I don't think were
55:52
and what was best.
Misha 55:55
Okay, so we were talking about like the looks of the each of her emotions. When you looked at the mom, all of the emotions of the mom had glasses and the hairdo all the dad had the mustaches. Why wouldn't Riley's characters have all blonde? Hair? Like Riley? I don't know. There was just like, I don't know. It just was like, okay to like, it was well done. But okay to look at all of the everything.
56:21
I don't know. Okay, I mean,
Tyler 56:23
I don't I don't think something like that should bring animation. No,
Misha 56:27
but I but the style wasn't my favorite.
56:32
Okay.
Misha 56:33
Does that make sense? Like? Yeah, I think there are better movies that Disney Pixar have done where I think it's more pleasant to look at. Not that it's not technically good. But they're just nicer to look at like more appealing and visually pleasing. And this wasn't one of those. I don't think it should be a 10 out of 10.
Tyler 56:56
Right. So then we need to Okay, so do you think this is like equal like to
57:03
Finding Nemo? Or,
Misha 57:06
like Fantasia got a nine, right and kinda got a 10 to me and Kondo is way more beautiful. Like just the actual beauty of a movie makes it a 10. This was well done, but isn't beautiful in the same way. Like you can have something that's technically well done. But that doesn't make it a piece of art that is exceeding to the level of 10
57:30
All right, Roger Ebert.
57:35
God Fuck you, Tyler.
Tyler 57:38
I'm referencing the fact that he caught he said video games can never be art.
Misha 57:43
That's not true. Yeah. I don't think that's true.
Tyler 57:47
No, it's just like a weird hole. No, I know. It's just a weird pull because of like, it can be well done, but not art at the same time. Anyway, it was a weird my brain.
Misha 57:58
Like Coco is gorgeous.
Tyler 58:01
Yeah, I wanted to say something about cocoa but I I meant to say in the story, but we'll save it for later. I guess. Cocoa
Misha 58:07
is gorgeous. And that got a 10 because of just how beautiful it is. This to me doesn't have that same beauty. It's like good and there's beautiful parts but like overall I would never compare this to cocoa. And you're telling me this is a spoke cocoa
58:26
I spoke too quickly.
Tyler 58:28
Too high. Without knows what he's gonna say about cocoa is not related animation. It's about story. How cocoa is a cocoa is a good example of what this movie could have done with like, go to a zany world and explore like a weird alternate universe while also still having a fairly well fleshed out story with the characters in it. Like the character driven story. Have they
Misha 58:51
tried too much? Yeah, they added too much in this movie for the story and it hurt the story. But for animation like this was well done. There are beautiful parts but I wouldn't be like Oh, inside out. It's such a beautiful Yeah, no. So that's that
Tyler 59:06
looking back at like cocoa and I would say Finding Dory is more beautiful too. So I would say maybe an eight instead of a 10 is my new offer my new proposal.
59:16
I think seven
Misha 59:19
sticks. I agree. I think an eight or nine that's what I would have said yeah.
Tyler 59:24
I mean, personally for me, like I like the art of a Goofy Movie better but like I do two weeks I'm like, and like accuracy and technicality do need to come in.
Misha 59:34
I'm not saying it doesn't but I am I'm not saying it's a one I'm just saying it's not a 10 Yeah, I agree. I'm not even saying it's a low score. It's better than okay. It was great. Just not beautiful and gorgeous the way other movies are agreed.
Tyler 59:51
Peyton Are we set on eight Okay,
Misha 59:58
I think eight and I Go. I know I keep referencing cars.
Tyler 1:00:04
I think cars animation is better. Yeah, there's no mention of animation. So I don't eight remember? Yeah. And motion was added, like thrill of like, the motion looked really good. Which this movie doesn't really have the chance to do that because it's not about cars racing around. But um,
Misha 1:00:23
even like cars race, you could say that the animation of cars is better. I don't like
Tyler 1:00:27
cars race or anything. Yeah. Music and Sound tripled. ENCOM triple 10
Misha 1:00:35
I really liked the sound effects of this movie. I think it was pretty strong. All the balls clinking around clanking around. Yeah. That was really well done. Yeah,
Tyler 1:00:47
I also think the score is really good. I do we've seen Michael Ghia. Keno before on this list. I forget where we saw him. He was the he did Big Hero Six. And he has done other movies that we will see. I mean, he's done so many fucking movies like he did Zootopia the new Batman. Oh, spider man. He's done a bunch of fucking she's done a bunch of shit. But um, on this list. We've seen him at least once, I think but anyway, I think this was a very good school due to like, to me, I thought the threads of the motifs running through it. Were very, very well done and very beautiful. Yeah, sorry. Good.
Misha 1:01:25
I was gonna say, I think this is on par with animation.
1:01:32
If not higher, yeah,
Tyler 1:01:33
I think yeah, I think maybe even a bit higher. But I think going the same is fine too. Like, it's not it's not the type of score that like really makes you go like holy shit. Wow, that's amazing. But it's like every moment it is it is making the movie much better by being there. Nothing stood out as jarring except for the triple den GM so that was sort of kind of the point right? The ear worm. Yeah. Everything else like from the very beginning like Joy's theme coming in. And when joy has that little like ice skating part that's like nicer like all these like beautiful little yeah moment it's served its purpose really sells this serves a purpose. Yes sells the scariness of the subconscious clown sells the sadness of Bing Bong sacrificing himself. Which upon watch every watching at this time, it was still sad and made me cry. But like, it's really bothered me how quickly Joy moves past it. Like Joy doesn't like that's when this she should have really seen how important sadness is by getting more sad about things. So thing
Misha 1:02:36
there were points where she was crying and didn't self reflect. And that kind of bothered me. Like when she before they got before she got out of the valley, or whatever a forgotten memories. She was crying. And I was like, Okay, why this is the perfect opportunity for her to realize that her sadness is serving a purpose. And they don't worry she does though. No, she just cries and then she's just kind of like, not her own sadness.
Tyler 1:03:08
Yeah, she cries and then she looks in the core memory and sees and
Misha 1:03:11
just sees, but she sees it as wait. Riley was sad. And that's why I got to joy. But not like herself crying and like reading and feeling that emotion as its own thing. And I don't know. It was kind of weird
Tyler 1:03:31
having one. Like it's just kind of it hamstrings the the writing and the movie to like, have such one dimensional character is like,
Misha 1:03:40
our emotions don't work that way. It's not. It's never like, we never have 100% of anything. It's all a range of emotions, right? So like, Yes, oh, I'm feeling joy. But there's so much like, we're more complex, even children are more complex than that. And to boil it down into these little things. It's like, if they make the story complex, where joy is crying and has to figure stuff out and realizes that sadness, it's like it's not gonna work. Anyway, we can move on music and sound. Yeah, it's good. Do you want to give it again?
Tyler 1:04:21
I think yeah, maybe nine is a bit too high.
Misha 1:04:24
Nine is too high.
Tyler 1:04:25
Eight sounds good. I liked how actually, here's one thing positive this doesn't need to change the score. But another thing I wanted to say. I liked how they didn't have any sort of songs in this. Like,
Misha 1:04:37
will remember you being long deep. Yeah. Will you
Tyler 1:04:43
remember me? No, because you're just you've disappeared and you don't exist anymore.
1:04:49
What does it mean better?
Tyler 1:04:50
Oh, big bog? Yeah, maybe it would but I liked how they didn't put original songs. So I think want to
Misha 1:04:58
see a version of this. Where the emotions only express themselves via song? Metal?
Tyler 1:05:06
What No. protagonist, joy, or is right joy is the Protect I think it's joy at least not the protagonist.
Misha 1:05:15
She's Joy's Joy's my least favorite character. My least favorite emotion yes movie. She was kind of me Yeah,
Tyler 1:05:25
I mean she should control she's also kind of yeah control selfish she's kind of likable like she there's she's kind of likable sometimes but in like the but it's it's the type of like Okay fine I like how you're so enthusiastic you make other people want to go bowling with you because you're so enthusiastic and then yes, we end up having a good time. But that can only go so far. Yeah.
1:05:52
She's the type of friend that
Misha 1:05:53
makes you call the two of us.
Tyler 1:05:56
Maybe we're too cynical. I don't think she's a one or anything I do. I think it's also Amy Poehler, I just love love Amy Poehler, she release, she sells it.
Misha 1:06:06
She's very good, really fun parts where she was like great. I love the way my twirl my dress twirls when I spin around and there's like cute things that she did that were fun and I think she's a great person to play joy. But I think the maid joy, too controlling and too much the lead. The
Tyler 1:06:28
point suffer because of it is basically Leslie Knope and
Misha 1:06:31
Leslie Knope, I would give like a really high score too. And I would not give the same score to joy.
Tyler 1:06:39
Well, I also think like Leslie Knope, in the world she's in makes more sense than joy in this world. What do you think about like a three or four? Do you think controversy controversy?
Misha 1:06:55
For I didn't expect you to do that.
Tyler 1:06:58
I think it's fine, because she does get some points for I mean, I don't know if I can bring voice acting into this. But
Misha 1:07:05
the low side of Okay, not bad. She was a bad.
Tyler 1:07:10
No, she's fun. But she's just like, she's not. I mean, I guess it's also
Misha 1:07:16
like just this place, though.
1:07:18
She's also and then the,
Misha 1:07:21
she's also the villain.
1:07:26
She's also the villain, because
Misha 1:07:27
just what the other emotions expressed themselves the way they needed to be expressed. None of that would have happened if sadness could just be there. And Riley could just feel her sadness and sit with it, and express it to her parents in the fucking first place. None of it, nothing else would have happened. And it was joy trying to take control and shoved down the other emotions. That's the story. Morning Glory. Oh, shoved down your other emotions. They're all good. But
Tyler 1:07:59
I said, you said that's the story. And I said Morning Glory. It's, it's an oasis. Anyway,
Misha 1:08:06
so she's also the villain. But there's no, there's no villain. And so, so.
Tyler 1:08:12
So yeah, I mean, no, I
Misha 1:08:13
don't know if we should do it three or four.
Tyler 1:08:15
I think four is fine. I mean, she's fine.
Misha 1:08:19
I'll go with a for whatever,
Tyler 1:08:21
fine, just because I think we are too grouchy. But we also need to, like, give her points for being a villain too. I think so. Let's jump to that really quick and come back to psyche. Do you think?
Misha 1:08:32
Do you think she is the villain? I don't think she's the
Tyler 1:08:34
villain. Whereas I mean, there's, there's either no villain or she's the villain.
Misha 1:08:38
I don't think there is a villain. There's no There's no villain. But she does things that
Tyler 1:08:45
No, she's not the villain like in the story. She's not the villain. She
Misha 1:08:49
just does because to me, she said that, okay. You know,
Tyler 1:08:52
she just like is the the catalyst. There's no villain in this story. Okay, in that case, one for villain. And we can jump back to psychic sadness. And Bing Bong is sadness. And thank you and being I love them both sadness is my favorite. Sadness is really good. We have a little not statute where you can figure her in the living room. I think sadness is great. She's really cute. She's really sweet. When she like face plants. It's so adorable.
Misha 1:09:20
She's just so cute. And Phyllis Smith who is from the office, which I don't like it was okay for a little bit. She's okay, okay.
1:09:35
That's a different conversation.
Misha 1:09:36
Yeah, we don't need to get into that how much I hate it all day long. She's
Tyler 1:09:39
great. And I think that was her eyeball. She's so goodness. Yeah.
Misha 1:09:43
Incredible. That's one of the best characters. Bing Bong Richard Kind you know, I love Richard capture kind is great. Yeah, I think they're very high. I mean, sadness. Not like I would give sadness a 10 out of 10 and I would give Bing Bong
1:10:05
an eight and
Tyler 1:10:06
I don't think Bing Bong is that great, but he's just not enough.
Misha 1:10:12
Six. I don't know what would you give Bing Bong?
Tyler 1:10:15
I think I would give bing bing bada boom, boom, boom, boom Bada bing bong a six I would give sadness a 10
Misha 1:10:27
Sadness attend to so I'd like to give them an
Tyler 1:10:29
eight. Eight sounds good. I just think I think way more. Yes. And this is an award she's
Misha 1:10:36
like she's the protagonist left Yeah. She's
Tyler 1:10:41
super important. She's super like everything about her is interesting and makes the story better. Being blank is nice.
Misha 1:10:49
Because she's in it a lot more.
1:10:51
I
Misha 1:10:54
write because right now it's like right in the middle if you're giving him a six.
Tyler 1:10:58
Yeah, I mean, if he's a six Maybe I'm being too mean. But he's just not enough for me to like, consider him like a huge score
Misha 1:11:06
shouldn't be taken into as much.
1:11:09
Yeah. Oh, I'm
Tyler 1:11:11
fine with the nine she's really great. Nine it is also Bing bong bing bong is from like, minute 30 until like almost the end so he's in it for most of the movies so
1:11:21
Okay, nine nine it is and spam Hey with that? Yeah, I'm fine with the nine okay,
Misha 1:11:28
there's no henchmen one no henchmen ones. There's no villain. Okay, strong female lead can female lead 10 out of 10
1:11:34
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay.
Misha 1:11:38
Joy Joy strongly sadness the girl Riley everybody. Yeah, girl discuss female
Tyler 1:11:45
Yeah.
Misha 1:11:47
Okay.
Tyler 1:11:50
Even discussed yet discusses is there to the mom is like, I mean, the mom doesn't need to affect the score, but she's definitely like
1:12:00
a more important person.
Misha 1:12:01
Dad who's in his fucking Silicon Valley startup venture, blah, blah, blah.
Tyler 1:12:08
started up again. The startup had some really stupid name.
Misha 1:12:12
Oh, God, I did not catch that.
Tyler 1:12:15
It was on his T shirt and I wrote it down but then I forgot. brang bring a textile company called brang his shirt says bring what did you bring? You can buy the t shirt. Why did you bring full? His name is Bill Anderson.
1:12:34
Who? The dad
Tyler 1:12:38
apparently, and apparently people are very thirsty for him a quick
Misha 1:12:43
search, Steve said Steve said. quote I think people were horny for the dad because he has serious dad vibes.
Tyler 1:12:53
I would agree it looks like people are super horny for him. Yeah. Kyle McLaughlin national treasure.
1:13:00
Um, I
Misha 1:13:04
wear as he can as a national treasure. He's
Tyler 1:13:06
probably Canadian though. He's probably going to fuck up my vibe here.
Misha 1:13:09
American Actor
Tyler 1:13:11
Did Did you think that the i This is off topic again, I guess but since we're on strong family, i Another problem I had with Riley and the whole Riley thing other than the fact that she's just kind of like too much of an automaton is like, I didn't think the voice actor fit the role. I think the voice actor sounded too mature and adulty. Like, like a teen rather than an 11 year old. I think they could have maybe got someone better.
Misha 1:13:40
I'm going to say this. I think some 11 year old sound
1:13:47
old? Yeah, maybe I mean the the year
Misha 1:13:50
old nephew. Ethan on Steve side has a deeper voice then Steve.
Tyler 1:13:56
Okay. Yeah, maybe I'm overthinking it. She just sounded too like later teens. Like she sounded like a like a more precocious 16 or 17 year old. So. Yeah,
Misha 1:14:06
all the routines we know. It's awful. Alright. Also, Kyle McLaughlin was born in Washington State. Yeah. What's mean he's Canadian. So I'm just letting you know. He's American. Okay,
Tyler 1:14:21
thank you. He's born Yakima USA. Oh, yeah. So the reason why I went oh, yeah, of course is because I just looked at it. So then I just thought I always knew it. I forgot the fact that I thought he was from maybe from
Misha 1:14:34
Canada. Yeah. credit for knowing this stuff. That's exactly what BiPAC representation and portrayal. Let's do it.
Tyler 1:14:45
Zero. I mean, one, right.
Misha 1:14:47
Yeah. No, well, Mindy Kaling was a pretty prominent character.
Tyler 1:14:51
Oh, that's good point. Yeah, good point.
Misha 1:14:54
Yeah, just a an extra in the background like Rashida Jones.
Tyler 1:14:59
Yeah, she is a key associated job.
Misha 1:15:01
I would say a two. I would I would bump it up to a two or a three to a two. Who's her? She did his white face. She's credited as the cool girl, but she doesn't have any lines. So I'm not sure if it was really weird. Okay. Yeah.
Tyler 1:15:19
Two or three, two or three. Yeah.
Misha 1:15:22
Let's do it. Let's do a two because it's just one person. Yeah, I was thinking.
1:15:29
Yeah.
Tyler 1:15:31
By the way, this movie is really down on San Francisco. They make San Francisco they they overdo the like, 10. Yeah. Like they really should on it for having bad pizza. There was also like a bear remark. Did you catch that? Oh,
Misha 1:15:45
yes. That's in my notes. One of them. One of the emotions goes there. No bears in San Francisco. And then Louis black. Who's anger says I saw a really hairy guy. Do you like a bear? And it's just a gay joke.
Tyler 1:15:58
Yeah. And then in the Americas is cute and like, okay, yeah. I don't know how I feel about it. I mean, it's fine. I
Misha 1:16:05
guess. I don't know if it was baking. It's like hard to tell if they're making fun of that. There are a lot of gay people in San Francisco, which is true. Like, I mean, maybe not any more than I don't really know, actually, nowadays, nowadays is just tech bros. And there are they are ruining San Francisco. But yeah,
Tyler 1:16:22
I haven't spent enough time in San Francisco to like, know what the real I mean, because I just haven't been anywhere recently. But I don't I don't know what it's like anymore.
Misha 1:16:34
It's awful. It's actually it's ruined San Francisco. And I'm really sad to say that. And I have friends who live there. Um, one of whom listens to the show. Hi, Anastasia. Anyway, born and raised San Francisco and it used to be my absolute favorite city and Oregon. tech scene changed it now a little sad about
1:16:57
- Interesting.
Tyler 1:17:00
It is, uh, I mean, last time I went there, which was a long time ago, but I really liked it. That was a lovely city. Okay, fun factor. It isn't. It's
Misha 1:17:09
beautiful. I don't know why they rhymey and dark and ugly. Like,
1:17:14
I mean, one factor.
Tyler 1:17:16
There are. I mean, I There are parts of San Francisco that are like, like any city. It's like, got a fuckload of homeless people and a bunch of like neighborhoods that haven't been taken care of. Because, like, yeah, rich neighborhoods, like
Misha 1:17:27
the neighborhood and that's getting worse for because of the tech. Boom. Yeah. So fun factor.
Tyler 1:17:37
Fun Factor isn't really that fun.
Misha 1:17:38
This was what?
Tyler 1:17:42
This movie is deeply upsetting. Lots of fun. No, it's sort of fun parts that are fun. I thought it's also
Misha 1:17:47
so many fun lines in this net. Okay. Yeah, sure. But there are lots of fun parts of this movie. All the actors like brought it the most is drew one even less true. When sadness is crying helps me slow down and obsess over the weight of life's problems. That was perfect.
Tyler 1:18:06
She's very good. Bing Bong. Every line Bing Bong has is like a gold. Gold. Mine is so great. Yeah. And
Misha 1:18:14
then anger goes. We should lock the door and scream that curse word we know. Yeah. Like one of the best parts of the movie.
Tyler 1:18:21
Yeah, I liked his his his interactions with the dad were really funny when he's like, screaming about the broccoli. But then he's like, oh, there's an airplane droid takeover. It's okay. Louis black. Like,
Misha 1:18:33
I actually thought that's what this movie is like, the emotions doing their things is so much fun. Right? But then they add this like weird plot that like as a story just ruins it. I just want to see the emotions do their crazy things and say the funny things that they say. And that's it for like an hour and a half. Yeah.
Tyler 1:18:53
Now this this could be like a short film and be more fun and less weight weighty. Yeah. It also has like the classic Pixar like trying to like break your heart with poignant moments. And it does do that a couple times. But it falls a little bit flat when the story is so weak, I think compared to like,
Misha 1:19:13
Oh, the other thing it does, it's like cocoa to marvel. The whole world is about to collapse. Yeah. So it's important. No, it can just be important and be kind of like mellow and important. Like a child being sad that they moved is enough. Yeah, they don't have to make her brain collapse. Where she like, I seriously was like, Is is this ish? Does she have a disease? That's what was happening to her and I was like, That's not okay. She could just move and we can watch her emotions process through it. And then that's it. Yeah. But I thought the emotions were super fun. I actually they like they were the point in the movie. That was the best part.
Tyler 1:19:55
I think I'm letting my go. The grouchiness of talking through this movie. It affected me. Yeah, it is fun. I did have a good time when I watched it and it did make me cry and it made me like feel things and so yeah. That
Misha 1:20:08
as much as up when we get to it
Tyler 1:20:13
Yeah, but here's the thing. I mean, yeah, but it Okay, well up is up is just that beginning. That's the rest of the movies not emotional as far as I remember, but I could be wrong. Yeah, I just remember the beginning is a gut punch for sure. What do you think? Do you think like a seven Do you think? Is that too low? Oh seven or like
Misha 1:20:37
an I would give it a seven.
Tyler 1:20:39
I would give it a seven to seven. Like kind of stuck. Where I was feeling you're
Misha 1:20:43
saying these crazy things like, was not fun. I'm giving it a seven. Like, line up.
Tyler 1:20:51
Because you can do math. Because I can't do math. That's true. For plus or equals ever. But also you convinced me to bring my score up. I was gonna say five I was gonna give it give it a stink middle. But you You talked me kidney punch up to a seven.
Misha 1:21:09
All right doesn't sit right. I think it should lose a couple points. It should lose
Tyler 1:21:13
a couple points. Yeah. Just for the the sort of forever reveal nature in which they handle mental issues, I think.
Misha 1:21:21
Yeah, yeah. Okay. to three to minus two
Tyler 1:21:25
minus two. Sure. Okay, but that was that was what I was feeling. So minus two. Yeah,
Misha 1:21:29
yeah. Great. Okay. effervescence, effervescence.
Tyler 1:21:36
I don't know, it's maybe like
Misha 1:21:38
maybe like that and land. Yeah, a couple points. There to even interact with.
Tyler 1:21:43
I was gonna say big big too. Yeah, I was gonna say that not so much because it's evening out but like, I do think it does have some magic in there like Yeah. Like Bing Bong is like magical. And
Misha 1:21:57
don't get into the details because then I'm gonna say it's not so I just want to go based on gut feeling to match without thinking
Tyler 1:22:05
about the story. All the different crazy places they visit are interesting and magical. And, and I think that that is effervescent. It's very, very cool. So yeah, too. Alright, what's the total score? is gonna get higher than I thought it would going into this but yeah, drumroll
Misha 1:22:26
I agree. We did get a really high score got a 63 out of a possible 110 points, so it beats A Bug's Life, which I didn't expect repeat.
Tyler 1:22:39
Wow. Something
Misha 1:22:41
Alice in Wonderland. I do not like how this turned out because I will watch Alice in Wonderland over and over again before I watch this.
Tyler 1:22:49
I mean, we talked about this home on the range of Hercules too,
1:22:54
but it
Misha 1:22:55
ties with frozen. Okay, okay.
Tyler 1:23:02
That makes sense. It gets one point lower than
Misha 1:23:09
a Goofy movie got a Goofy Movie so good.
Tyler 1:23:12
And the lab and and wait now in Bambi know many Goofy Movie. Yeah.
Misha 1:23:20
I don't understand our rating system, but it is what it is. It
Tyler 1:23:24
is what it is. It is something sometimes things be like. Well, folks, you know, we pored through this movie, inside and out. That's what you get, you get a 63 from us. So I hope you liked it. Welcome to our podcast. Again. Thank you so much for being here with us. Thank you for being here on this wild train of fun thoughts that we have.
Misha 1:23:51
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Tyler 1:24:02
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Misha 1:24:11
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