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Tyler 00:00
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Misha 00:27
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Tyler 00:56
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Misha 01:03
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Misha 01:13
Scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I'm one of your zany hosts Misha, and
Tyler 01:23
I'm one of your kooky crazy O's Tyler. And this week, we're talking about 2000 nineteen's, yes, citation needed 2000 scenes frozen to the hit sequel to the hit film Frozen from six years earlier that did another like let's wait a
Misha 01:42
while six years isn't too bad. At least it's not over a decade. And
Tyler 01:46
yeah, Finding Dory was 13 years after is that 14? Yeah, well, we. Yeah. So yeah.
Misha 01:54
Oh, we're
Tyler 01:55
here to talk about
Misha 01:56
- Yeah, this is Movie.
Tyler 01:59
This might be a controversial episode we'll see.
Misha 02:03
It's might have a bit of weenus. Or it's like a controversial movie. So it might be a
Tyler 02:08
bit of both because honestly, I didn't hate this movie as much as I've remembered hating it. And perhaps, perhaps, perhaps I shall be more favorable, but we'll see. Because talking through it, I often changed my mind. It was my first
Misha 02:23
time seeing it. Talking through it. I also wait often coerce.
Tyler 02:29
I'm also sometimes just talking through it with someone who makes it like more often coerce you and yeah, helps. When I first watched it, I was like, this is boring and dull and lifeless. This time, I have more favorable things to say,
Misha 02:43
okay, but
Tyler 02:45
everything's up from boring, lifeless and insipid and lazy. And wow.
Misha 02:49
Just adding more to that than just adding more. Yeah. All right, who wants to know what frozen two is about? Hi, girl, but I can tell you the
Tyler 03:00
spirits know that I want to know. But before we get into that, let me just quickly welcome all the listeners. Oh, and old Yeah, and let us let me tell you about our categories.
Misha 03:09
And what is this Sian Tori's system system
Tyler 03:13
is that we rate these movies on originality, story, animation, music and sound protagonist sidekick villain henchmen strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor and then in those are all one out of 10 scores. And then we also have minus points if things don't sit right, or bonus points for effervescence for that special something that something greater than the sum of its parts Disney magic, and they're giving a total score of 110.
Misha 03:42
You feel it in your insights, linear size. This
Tyler 03:45
time I again did it. I was more comfortable this time. I didn't like talk a big game. I did it without looking. Because I didn't talk about game and I couldn't grasp. Yeah, I didn't fall on my face. Like last week.
Misha 03:54
I didn't look along to see if you were wrong. Oh,
Tyler 03:58
well, no, never. No. Well, I'll listen back to the tape and if I'm wrong if I miss one, I'll add it in with a totally different pitch like animation. Yeah, but no, I said animation. Yeah, but frozen to I feel. I feel like maybe a lot of people didn't see this one. I don't know. Maybe that's maybe that's presumptuous. But what is this about?
Misha 04:19
Who Okay, so frozen 2 is again about Anna and Elsa. But this time? I was so never knew how much I missed. Except Anna definitely missed Elsa. Maybe the other way around. But you know, much like T and Tamara.
Tyler 04:43
Yeah, T is a bitch.
Misha 04:47
Yeah, I heard it
Tyler 04:48
here. First. Controversy. Hey,
Misha 04:51
if you can't handle the controversy, it's going to be a controversial episode. If
Tyler 04:56
you can't stand the heat, stay frozen. I don't know what Hey if you can't say the heap chill out
Misha 05:06
cool it cool your log is no
Tyler 05:14
there's one more I forget which movie but he kills a crocodile and then says your luggage Oh,
Misha 05:19
that is probably not when he's the cool guy yes or phrase
Tyler 05:24
yes it's something cool cool I love Batman's great cool guy that's like that's when you see when you see toys in a knockoff like toy shop or China or turkey and it's like it's like it's like IP theft but they change the name to like Mr. Freeze boy the
Misha 05:51
Frozen is a really good character name.
Tyler 05:55
Yeah, it's better than the other guy here first, TMT MTM? The Marvel guy Captain Cold. This. He just had a cold gun. He was one of the flashes. No wait, that's DC capitals DC. Oh man. I'm an idiot.
Misha 06:12
Okay, I totally thought you were gonna stop at he totally had a cold.
Tyler 06:17
His. Um, my name is Leonard Snart. As far as I remember. That's his real name. Leonard Snart. Yeah, DC, not marvel. I apologies. Everyone out there who's frantically typing
Misha 06:36
all right, let's get back to frozen two. So Anna and Elsa, who are sisters? Elsa is the Queen of Arendelle. And now in this one, which takes place however many years later? Hmm, that's a good question. ice powers are just known. And then Anna is the princess of Arendelle. And they apparently
Tyler 07:02
three years after the coronation. Okay. So like kind of events of the first Okay,
Misha 07:07
so all of a sudden, Elsa starts hearing voices or our voice this voice that sounds like it's calling to her this mysterious. Like from Iceland. Yeah, that's the musicians holster and oh, she's the only one who can hear it. And she follows this voice and accidentally invokes the spirits and they come and like, Earth Wind Fire heart Captain Planet. Yeah, destroy Arendelle and the townspeople have to evacuate. So they go to the mountains. And they're a troll from the little round troll because there's two different types of device.
Tyler 08:01
Yes, let's be explicit.
Misha 08:03
Yeah. Right. So
Tyler 08:07
rental truck shows up happy versus names. What is his name?
Misha 08:10
fused? Because grant happy which I'm confused because the troll movie has a pappy in it or something and I don't know. My nephew's trolled him and then they've been like your queen pappy. And I don't know anyway,
Tyler 08:29
no, Poppy Poppy hmm trolls names pop
Misha 08:33
that's right like pop music because this one is your that's a Greenworks movie right? Oh, I don't know. I only play we play like your queen Poppy and your rock troll and your country boy.
08:49
Right?
Misha 08:50
I don't know there's a game we play and so I got confused when the troll showed up was like I'm queen Poppy. And I'm like, Yeah,
Tyler 08:58
so I looked it up last time. But now I can't remember I think the trolls movies are DreamWorks and they came out after the first Frozen movie feel but the they're similar the trolls look very similar in both they do but anyway yeah, the trolls are again like what are they they're just sort of like a pause what I did. I looked at
Misha 09:22
my troll CV
Tyler 09:25
Oh troll yes like the the original troll before troll to old troll to
Misha 09:31
not to be backwards. And there are no
Tyler 09:38
Tality boy classic. You're
Misha 09:42
tearing this family apart Sikhnet sign we love row.
Tyler 09:49
Man, so, okay,
Misha 09:52
so at the mountain, the troll. The little round troll shows up to it. explain what's happening out of the blue. Just Hello, I'm here, I will tell everybody what's going on. So they know that there's a story that was passed down by their father that the r&d aliens went to North all DRA which is where I guess indigenous people live in this fictional place. And they went gifted them a dam which right away I was like, I'm dams are no good these people love nature. Why gifting them a dam this bullshit, something's up, okay and a fight broke out but nobody knows why. Because their father who was the prince at the time of this war was off Chase and tail and didn't see what was going on. Indeed. So he comes but he survives and comes back and as becomes king of Arendelle and tells his daughters the story that is sort of it has a lot of incomplete parts. Yeah. So they know that they Elsa knows because of her magical abilities that she needs to go solve this problem of why the spirits are attacking Arendelle Yeah. So the whole gang so we got Elsa, who's the ice queen? We got Anna, who's the princess who is powerless. We got to keep saying that by the boyfriend. I mean, now it's she does too. It's like part of the things are
Tyler 11:42
clearly saying it's like build up that she does have power but it's just it gets tiresome. Yeah.
Misha 11:46
Her boyfriend, Krista Christoph Christoph, his reindeer spam
Tyler 11:56
off the ugly who has
Misha 11:58
permafrost? Yeah. Which was super annoying the way they introduced that. Yeah, like concept. He's got like, she was like, Hey, she was picnicking and like sunbathing, and Anna shows up and goes, enjoying your new permafrost. Oh, wha see? That's why he can be in this movie. And it's not winter. Ah, ah, yeah. Okay. Yeah,
Tyler 12:24
quick explanation. So we don't have to animate the cloud of the storm cloud over his head the whole time. Yeah, exactly.
Misha 12:33
Yeah, so
Tyler 12:34
anyway, it basically those transparent tattoos that those like white tats like because he had snowflakes out the permafrost was like a decoration on his body. Yeah, so it's almost what do you call those things on cars? You mentioned once a rat window clings, wraps. Like a wrap around it? Yeah, asshole. Artist, but
Misha 12:51
just the acid.
Tyler 12:56
Yeah, there'll be
Misha 12:57
one snowflake. Yeah, I don't think you need a lot. I mean, maybe as many flakes can be really tiny. That's also true. He might have many buttholes I don't know he might all be bunches all butthole Yeah, we
Tyler 13:09
get to the inevitable part of the podcast where we talk about a animated characters but for like 40 minutes. Now let's move on. Let's move on.
Misha 13:17
He mentioned his but first movie in the first few did
13:21
as well. So
Misha 13:22
anyway, so the gang goes and follows the voice leaving the slide. They have to get
Tyler 13:28
when they find the voice and they find the fog. They just leave the slide behind. It's totally forgotten. Like Stan is unhooked from the sled.
Misha 13:36
Oh, yeah. They don't know. They take the time. Who cares? So they find the fog and they know there's this fog. So after that war broke out back whenever it happened. Magical fog surrounded the forest. And so they had to go they knew the answers lived there. So they get to the fog. They get inside through it to the woods and inside the woods they find that everyone that was there before has been trapped by this magical fog and they've never been able to get out and they've been reproducing and just blinking and fighting this forest they know they have to keep searching for the answers so Elsa keeps following this voice that she hears meets a very cute fire lizard yes the best character or Newt and maybe it could be a new I mean it's like very cartoony to yeah what I couldn't tell what it was because it's like overly cartoony I couldn't either a fire Newt would make more sense
Tyler 14:42
just lizard also makes sense. Because this is a movie a fantasy movie. Ya know?
Misha 14:47
Who knows? Right? Okay, so this cute little reptilian amphibious maybe thing? I'm not really sure what it is very cute.
Tyler 14:57
Did it get a name? I think I missed it. I don't think it has a name. doesn't Should we call it
Misha 15:03
fire lizard Bruni? We don't talk about Bruce Rooney Nene. Oh
Tyler 15:09
no, no. Okay fire lizard. Okay,
Misha 15:12
fires. Yeah, Salamander. Okay. Who's like really doesn't add much other than cuteness to the movie, but
Tyler 15:23
no, he's just cute. He makes funny. Cute sounds
Misha 15:25
Oh so cute.
Tyler 15:26
He sounds like that. He sounds like that dude in episode one who like just makes a weird lizard noise before blowing up in the Padres?
Misha 15:36
Okay, I just this is pot I just caught up to what you're talking about because episode one of what and then I
Tyler 15:47
Tyler is one guy is right before somebody blows up. He just goes.
Misha 15:53
Okay. It's really okay. Is it? Okay? I believe everybody does really funny.
Tyler 16:02
This is pod racing.
Misha 16:04
So
Tyler 16:06
this is podcasting. Okay,
Misha 16:07
okay. Tyler. Simmer down now. Then the lover interesting that what that's from Steve says it? I wouldn't know. Yeah. Okay. Never call me that again.
Tyler 16:20
I know, that's like the worst thing I've ever done.
Misha 16:22
I woke up to your fucking email this morning. And I was just like, I'm like obligated to do this.
Tyler 16:30
I was just gonna send it to Steve. But then I thought it'd be more annoying if he showed it to you, rather than if I also sent it to you. So I figured I'd just like try to pull the band aid off.
Misha 16:41
Right? You're right. Because you, you're correct. He would have made me watch it and it would have been equal, it would have
Tyler 16:47
been you guys would have had conversations. You would say I don't want to watch some stupid SNL thing and he would say but come on Tyler scented. Maybe it's actually funny. And you say no, it's probably not so stupid. And then you to get in a fight and then you want to correct you'd be you'd be correct, but you'd still watch it and it'd be more pain involved.
Misha 17:03
So and then we'd get divorced. And it's all What did you do? Just kidding. Our listen. A quote from frozen to our love is not fragile. My love's offered.
Tyler 17:16
Fuck that line though. Jesus so badly delivered. Anyway, so they follow the northern thing and they find
Misha 17:24
the ship. Wait, Tyler, way, way way. Wait,
Tyler 17:27
am I jumping too far ahead. I thought that's where we left off. Yes.
Misha 17:29
Just let me finish to finish. So they find this this ship. And they realize it's the ship that their parents died on bump bump.
Tyler 17:46
But they were supposed to be in the South Sea.
Misha 17:47
How did they get there? How did the ship get? Turns out the parents were taking the ship to Anatolia where Tyler lives just kidding, I had had Talad and
Tyler 18:05
that was how I wasn't going to attempt the pronunciation so
Misha 18:11
and that's again where the answers lie. And so they have to then go from this shape because they realize their parents will also looking for the answers. But they don't have magical powers and all only somebody with magical powers who knows how to tame a water horse. It's not hard to find and so also realizes that it is just too unsafe for Anna so she expels her on an ice boat. Boom. Creating that little ice canoe. Bye bye. And oh life and Anna Tyler
Tyler 18:52
sorry that you're gonna forget about ugly boy Johnson again.
Misha 18:57
So not needed in this movie. sends them away also gets to while she doesn't get there, she first encounters a raging water horse who tries to drown her and the scene goes on for a very long time but then she can create an ice lasso because that's the thing and tame that Nelly and then she rides the horse the water horse
19:27
hippopotamus you
Tyler 19:35
or C horse
Misha 19:38
Okay, everybody Cobb dad
Tyler 19:40
Kelpie Kelby what's a copy? Copy is a not a horse. Copy is a type of dog apparently. Kelpies also. creature of the seas anyway. I'll shut up.
Misha 19:53
Okay, good. And she makes it to Tallinn. and goes a glacier glaciers are rivers of ice and ice. And I can live here and do the things I need to do because we're all ice and goes inside. And it transforms into Disney on Ice Capades. And this really weird stage performance, where she sees everything, all of the answers are there. And so what happened back 34 years, five months and 23 days ago, is that her grandfather, who was a colonizing asshole, went and gifted the North Audra a dam to fuck with their resources. Yeah, and wanting them to rely on him. And also wanted to murder them all, and have them rely on him, or just at least kill their leader who knows. So much greed and nonsense. And she, as she's learning about this, the glacier has starts to kill her. And she starts to freeze at her very last attempt to save the day. She sends an ice magic message to Anna. Now cut to Anna is in this cave, with Olaf and Olaf starts to die because Ellis is dying and so his magics wearing off. And, and I was glad. Anyway, I was like, yeah, it's about time. Okay, no men gotta go. And she receives the message that their grandfather was a baddie in one sculpture. She puts all the pieces together because Dan has powers is that of deduction? Yeah. She's
Tyler 22:06
like, Batman. World's Greatest Detective. Yeah, she sees a thing. And she's like, Oh, yes, I understand the perfect, like,
Misha 22:12
you know, the math and stuff that we like. She puts it all together, figures it all out and goes, I gotta bust the damn wide open. Damn, damn wide open. So all off dies. She realizes she can't do it by herself. So she goes and wakes up the giant trolls. Yeah. Now.
Tyler 22:36
It's also worth noting that she thinks else is dead now at this point, too. Yeah. So everything after this point is like her. Like, yes. Feeling like she has to do save the day and all that so yeah, yeah.
Misha 22:46
So why said because oh laughs dying because Yeah, exactly. So she gets to she like antagonizes the trolls to get them to follow her and attack her. They're not giant trolls.
Tyler 23:01
No, I think they're just said they're giants, I think. Oh, okay.
Misha 23:05
I thought they were just a different kind of troll. racist
Tyler 23:09
but sure. No, they're the York tune. The Giants. Okay.
Misha 23:13
Okay. Well, excuse me. Okay. Then the Giants rock giant,
Tyler 23:19
like the rock biter in Neverending Story.
Misha 23:22
Never seen that movie. Oh, yeah. The whole thing? Yeah, do not. You don't watch it? Yeah.
Tyler 23:28
You know why? Yeah,
Misha 23:30
I know. Well, because I watched it as a kid and stop partway through it was like, yep. And then I think we had to watch it for the movie club. And I watched it partway through again and
Tyler 23:42
yeah, we've talked about this before I think I'm remembering I think we've talked about this before. Something about Japan
Misha 23:55
so they break the dam. She tells the Erin Deleon soldiers that it was the grandfather a like once and she's like my grandfather did it It's all his fault else's dead I'm queen. We got to destroy the dam they help her
Misha 24:19
giants destroy the dead. Okay, I didn't do that accent No,
Tyler 24:23
no, I did. It was Nordic you
Tyler 24:33
you Hello.
Misha 24:37
They destroy the dam causing a flood knowing that it'll destroy Arendelle but that's the fucking price they should pay. Yeah, seriously, sorry. Like fuck you. Then fuck whatever
Tyler 24:51
Aryan Princess then Yeah. On a horse, Elsa,
Misha 24:56
the Valkyrie who's like Oh no. I gotta take this water horse that now I have and a ride to save Arendelle she creates a new dam made of ice symbolic with her magic so on does what Anna does, but then makes the water dissipate to like fuck you North Audra. I'm saving Arendelle she saves Arendelle and then they all reunite happily ever after. Christoph proposes to Elsa, Anna. Elsa says oh the spirits wanted to save our Adele. Fuck you. How do you know okay,
Tyler 25:40
she's element we find out. Yeah,
Misha 25:43
so Earth Wind water fire Elsa, Elsa and then Captain Planet goes back to Arendelle makes everything fine. Then Elsa decides that Anna should be Queen of Arendelle so Elsa can fucking colonize North Andhra to Queens from Arendelle dominating the whole place North Audra can't rule themselves. They have to be ruled by the Queen of Arendelle the fucking colonizers when again, the end plus photography's introduced for the first time in this fucking place. Why? I've no idea. People People. Indeed. Oh, and oh loves brought back and
Tyler 26:32
he's brought back. Yeah, totally. So the power of blinking get into this in the story part. Yeah, that. So first off, let's just get it out of the way. First off, let's
Misha 26:43
talk about this. Originality.
Tyler 26:44
Let's just get out of the way this movie is less original than the first AVI and the last one gotten a little bit of a little bit of something for being like an original but a little bit of like
Misha 26:58
this sister thing over true love. Yep. We
Tyler 27:02
gave it a tiny bit of pulling the true love. Yeah, I think this one's back to one. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about the story.
Misha 27:14
So how much of it is how much of it is
Tyler 27:21
I don't even know how to start this. Part of me thinks this story has a good message in that it's like we need to like deal with the shameful history of our people and try to make things right. AKA like reparations, but they'll
Misha 27:38
because they didn't even realize it for a long way into the movie. Right?
Tyler 27:43
But then once they like Anna immediately tries to wreck Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like that's that's a good message to take away from them. Wait,
Misha 27:51
before we get into like the messaging of the movie, at one point, so when they first get to the woods, surrounded by fog, else also creates the statue of her father being saved by a woman. Why didn't they recognize that that woman was their mother? And later yeah,
Tyler 28:13
it had the same Yeah.
Misha 28:17
It had her their mother's face they immediately like Oh father Who's this lady? Yeah, it's your fucking mom.
Tyler 28:26
I don't know. It's like did she become more like aren Deleon looking by a girl?
Misha 28:32
Why wouldn't their mother tell them or anyone that she was North Aldrin? Why would she hide that and just fully become aren deli and what the fuck? whitewashing of herself into royalty. Love. I don't think that's about love.
Tyler 28:49
But yeah, I mean, you're totally right. Like, why didn't she tell them that they're
Misha 28:53
hiring deluges wouldn't accept a North Aldrin as their queen possible.
Tyler 28:57
Yeah, but then why bullshit? Why did the Why did the the king bring her back instead of staying there with her? Yeah, I mean, of
Misha 29:08
the Why wouldn't they just tell their own daughters that their North Aldrin if North
Tyler 29:13
Ultron Yeah, I don't know. Why haven't be a big secret. Why? Because the movie needs the movie needs that conflict, I suppose. But it all it all is a bit like
Misha 29:22
a mom was North Aldrin. Why wouldn't she? And they believed and they knew that, like nature magic existed. Why would they be so confused by Elsa? Like nature magic abilities. Why are they so dumb?
Tyler 29:39
Yeah, good point. Why are they so dumb? I mean, I think it's because they I'm sort of filling in a couple of blanks that I didn't understand. And I feel like Warren explained very well, but they were not surprised by the fact that she had magic. She they were surprised by the power of it. And it's, it's like uncontrollability which is why they got on that. That's October or whatever. controllable.
Misha 30:00
Nobody just bothered to try to teach her that she could control it. Yeah, instead of just shoving it down, which is a huge problem
Tyler 30:10
we see. Actually, we see like, ample evidence that she could control it. It's just there was one stop. Yeah, like, like evidence control of creating this little magical Lego forest out of ice and stuff. It's just the one time she accidentally hits her sister because her sister's goofing around too much. And then then it's she's got to be shut up, shut up forever.
Misha 30:33
I said, I imagine if my sister had those fucking powers, I would be toast, I would be the opposite. I'd be a popsicle, because kids fight all the time. And the fact that one little accident happen that they could just easily reverse racing. Yeah. Anyway. So
Tyler 30:55
yeah, I think I mean, from the parents perspective, they're like, We have to like, cure our daughter problematic. Of course, we have to cure our daughter of this magic. So let's go on this sailing trip up to the most dangerous part of the world currently, and get killed.
Misha 31:12
But how did they not recognize their own mother?
Tyler 31:15
That's the thing. That's the thing, because it's clear that she's wearing the shawl that Elsa wears and like, and
Misha 31:21
they looked at her face, and they were like, Oh, it is mother. Yeah. And they immediately
Tyler 31:24
recognized dad when he was a teen. So it's like, why didn't I mean, I don't know. It's like, there are a couple things like like that really bugs me and also just I know I already mentioned it, but just like the sled disappears that really bugged me too. It's like
Misha 31:39
okay, this one doesn't bother disappearing does just have a little millisecond they got out because they had to look into the Yeah, they just
Tyler 31:47
put the leave it and they just saw they leave it important to us. You spent good hard money, probably not she had to get it. Because she
Misha 31:59
had to get money and resources from them. That's where that came from.
Tyler 32:05
Yeah, anyway, I don't know. It just, it just it just really bugged me. It's like, we were just like, go. Okay, so,
Misha 32:11
ya know, on the one hand, on the one hand, I
Tyler 32:15
think this story is a better narrative than the first one in the terms of like, explanation and pacing, and one thing leading to another but on the other hand, it's like kind of slower and more boring at parts and then our other big you know, allies because
Misha 32:31
to sum it up spirits attack they have to go solve it. They get there. It turns out that their grandfather's the culprit, and then they fix it and come back, right. Like, I don't think the story is better than this one because not me. It's like simultaneously simpler and more convoluted to get to that what it actually is. Yeah,
Tyler 32:56
I guess so. I mean, it was needlessly convoluted parts, but I just felt like watching it again, that it was it was making it was making more logical sense and flowing better with less pacing issues.
Misha 33:10
But at the same time, it's like,
Tyler 33:13
it's not a better story. I mean, it's not as it's not as interesting, a
Misha 33:18
better story.
Tyler 33:19
It's also I mean, I did there are things I like about it, which we can talk about, but I also it kind of bugged me that they separated the sisters again, for the whole fucking movie, like, like, the first one is all about the sister Diana to bog down a fuckload. And I frozen
Misha 33:36
saying Elsa doesn't give a shit. And then she at the end, they separate? Yeah,
Tyler 33:41
I mean, it's, I mean, it's like, Hey, you're coming over Friday. And so they're, they're kind of watching different parts, whatever. Elsa realized that she has to, like, maintain the balance between spirits and peoples. But oh, is that what she sounds like? She's for the benefit of the doubt. She's not up there like to rule. I don't that's my perspective on it. But
Misha 33:59
not mine. The white guy says that he's giving her the benefit of the doubt for not colonizing north all dry. And
Tyler 34:07
well, and here's another thing I think, I think, I don't agree in one. No, because I mean, I think part of me wants to see a positive message out of this movie, and maybe I'm stretching too far. But I want to see, I would liked or what I what I tried to see today, and maybe I didn't succeed, but when I kind of saw was like a movie trying to say that like reparations should be made, and people need to try to make mistakes of the past, right? You can't just say what
Misha 34:37
reparations were though. That's what I I
Tyler 34:41
managed to that's it and then but then that's not reparations. No, no, it's not but I'm saying like It's like least it's like you're right. It's not reparations, they need to do much more but I mean, like, I liked it. It's, we need to like reckon with our ugly past and like deal with it. Yeah, so I appreciate that. But I think the fact that the fact that Elsa totally undercuts that by like, help, like not destroying Aaron Dell kind of ruins it, but
Misha 35:10
Right, so I was like they should just destroy Aaron Dell and then rebuild somewhere else. Yeah, I wouldn't I thought they should have done that maybe
Tyler 35:21
would have been a bit too dark for kids movie but I would have preferred that yeah, that would have been like saying
Misha 35:26
we can't teach kids about racism because or colonialism because it's too dark you know what fucking destroy Arendelle with that flood start over again. Sorry that's okay, taking down the dam just drawing the monarchy, that's reparations and
Tyler 35:46
just helping the people up there and, and like trying to pay back their lack of like magic. Yeah, no I mean I just I I think like it was a nice like start but it didn't go far enough it could have gone further
Misha 36:00
I think I'm at a point in my life where that's not good enough.
Tyler 36:04
Me Yeah, but this is also these are these are fucking 2020 is a Disney movies gonna do that yet? I mean even at Konto doesn't like really do it. And everyone's talking Well,
Misha 36:16
yeah. Magic to everybody. This is the same thing, right? Like this one person has magic. Hooray. This person doesn't Oh, you're fine. Yeah. Yeah, I guess.
Tyler 36:29
Yeah, maybe I'm being too positive, but I wanted to see it as like, maybe that's why it's not because I wanted this might
Misha 36:35
be I might be might be being too cynical.
Tyler 36:41
Which is my superpower. The by the way, I read that the dam is actually was inspired by a real dam those put like proposed and put on Sami land. Also, I also read this might not I mean, obviously the Sami are the indigenous people. But I read that in a like an excerpt from a history book that the two peoples like, like settled in the land around the same time. And actually, the Sami might have been a little bit later that doesn't make them not indigenous, because they went north and the the Vikings went south. And then the like the Swedes and all them started taking the Sami land. But they were like, it was interesting, because like I thought the timeline wise, chronologically, they were there like much earlier, but I guess it was, it was a moron, the same person. Oh, which is interesting. Also, it was a little weird that they made the North. I mean, these aren't Sami and Swedes are Norwegian people, but they're, they're like, inspired by the Danes. And they had Sami people be consultants for the movie they did. But then they made the Sami look like Inuit, which is interesting.
Misha 37:43
I didn't understand why I think to try to
Tyler 37:47
cheat that and also maybe like hammer home, like, look, people have made mistakes, and we need to like say sorry, and deal with them. And maybe actually, maybe this is just the fucking white bread white, American and me like thinking and apology is something apologies aren't enough. Got to do more than that.
Misha 38:03
But it will be fucking money off of this trip, by the way.
Tyler 38:07
But I mean, part of me is like, yes. Breaking a dam isn't reparations. But part of me is like, if America America at least, like at the very least needs to fucking apologize for the genocide of the Native Americans, and then do other stuff. But they won't even fucking apologize.
Misha 38:24
Right? Yeah. Why? Sorry? Because I'm getting off. Yeah, you should. So So what do we think about the story?
Tyler 38:36
Yeah, I mean, back to what I was sort of alluding to the beginning, when I watched it today. I was like, Okay, this is better than I remember. But the story part wasn't the thing that was better than I remembered. It was like, I want it I was maybe stretching and trying to find positives in it. But the story is like, though, I think that it like flows a bit better, like pacing wise and like, A to B to C wise, it's still clunky, and parts are unexplained. And magic is not truly explained very well. Or there's a lot of UX exposition that is not needed. And they do the thing that I mean, movies always do this, but it's like,
Misha 39:13
look, that's a river.
Tyler 39:16
It's a frozen river. Ah, yes. And it's like just show the fucking glacier people can put two things together. So kids crushed your audience. Kids are smarter than that. I mean, kids can put two and two together so round in mountain river in the middle, but it's frozen. Got it? It's a river even though it's a glacier. The water horse scene
Misha 39:35
really bothered me. I don't know why that was needed at all. Why couldn't because in the first movie, she can move across water by herself very quickly by creating ice and like super fast ice skating. She I just don't understand who the horse is and why all visa Maybe we BBB BBB BBB BBB BBB myth fact oh
Tyler 40:09
wait no wait no I'm gonna change it let's go back and go crinkle
Misha 40:14
tincup now Hey decision no, I'm
Tyler 40:23
changing the name. It's a folk fact folks, Apple kids it comes from folklore. So the horse is known by many names but it is in Danish and Norwegian called like a nick. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly called a for The Witcher fans out there called a Necker in German or in, in, in Dutch. Called a Nixie. In English, I think anyway, they're like, they're like, kind of like the Rusalka. They're like, sometimes mischievous, sometimes malevolent water spirits, okay, sometimes not sometimes just sort of doing their thing, but often depicting their like shapeshifters and sometimes depicting like horses, but not
Misha 41:06
I don't like the ice lasso. I don't like how it kept I don't like that either. I think what should have happened is you just had a malevolent spirit. And then she overcomes it gets past it. Yeah. Does it come back that it was no ice last? So no, taming it? Yeah,
Tyler 41:24
I think it would have been, I think it was a good touch to say that like the spirits are really fucking pissed at all of you. So they're not going to let you get to that island. Easy. But making it this long thing about taming a horse. It was really tired. Yeah, I agree with that. Also interesting. I read an article. I found it through a link on Wikipedia. So but not that much more research but an interesting sociological article about like Elsa, maybe this MA already started, how the that whole horse scene is like sort of problem because according to because so in the in the first movie, and some conservatives complain about this. Elsa, you know, doesn't have a romantic interest. So
Misha 42:05
maybe she's Elizabeth. With what my gesture?
Tyler 42:09
Well, yeah, a little bit. So it's like, by giving her a horse friend. It seems like it's, it's not as like empowering as it seems. Because it still doesn't show so like needing a man or whatever, which is fine. But by giving her like a horse, that's what I was saying. I
Misha 42:27
felt like she should overcome the things and she should move around. And she should but like, to me it felt like this horse was helping her. Oh, I need to get somewhere Do you? Horse? Oh, I can't get to Todd Holland by myself. You who who has helped me get to.
Tyler 42:46
But it was also like, yeah, it's that like she needs help to get there that part of it. But it's also like this this woman who wrote a Lauren Dundee's, her the article is really good. And she can explain it better than I can. I don't want to go into a too much but like by giving her a horse, it's like, a non threatening way to get it like to not threaten male the male gender by giving her a horse as a, like an equestrian friend, rather than have her like, have a boyfriend or love interest of some kinds of cheese like more magical than and more powerful than cut just kind of idea, dicks.
Misha 43:23
Ah, no horse.
Tyler 43:26
So in it's not as like, modernized of a portrayal of a woman as it could have been by giving her like an equestrian like the old like, horse girl type trope. Yeah, anyway, Warren Dundee's, I'll give everyone the title of that Elsa as Horse Whisperer in Disney's Frozen to Opportunity Knocks. That's the name of that folktale thing to quash gender stereotypes. Yeah, and you can find it for Yeah, and read it online. Thanks, Tyler. Yeah. Um, so anyway, sorry, back to story. And so it's worse than the first one. Yeah,
Misha 44:02
I very much dislike the end of this. And I love the first one. Yeah, I hate the I hate the whole end of this.
Tyler 44:12
I think this could this could have been building up to a really good ending, but it just the ending is really bad. You're right. Yeah. So what do we think like four
Misha 44:21
tops? I was gonna say four.
Tyler 44:28
I was gonna say four because there are parts of it that I do think deserves some points for what it's it's kind of building like important issues to be talked about. But it's not like it's almost like the fucking like that dude and get out who just keeps saying like, No, I I would have voted for Obama three times. Like that's sort of like I don't know, like, we need to let's talk about the issues kids, but then it doesn't actually talk about issues like deep enough. But I mean, it is a kid's movie. So I guess Yeah, like, can't, but
Misha 44:56
they could have just had to end different and not explicitly talk about it since it is a kid's movie, they were just like, got scared. I don't fucking know.
Tyler 45:06
Yeah, well would have been cool. Okay, so I think maybe destroying Arendelle is perhaps a British too far like for kids like watching a fantasy Castle good.
Misha 45:16
Why is droid well? Konto casita? Yeah,
Tyler 45:20
but it gets rebuilt, so maybe they couldn't make it. Yeah rebuilding in a different place and like there's still friendship between the peoples, or maybe like the water floods through the city. And then it just becomes sort of like a Venetian canal. Yeah, so it's like a nice mix of right.
Misha 45:36
That can be cool too. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 45:39
Hey, people. Are we really gonna have a have to write your movies for you? Come on, come on.
Misha 45:44
Come on.
Tyler 45:47
All right. Moving on animation.
Misha 45:50
Okay, I would like to say some things.
Tyler 45:52
Okay, let's get into it.
Misha 45:55
The water is so beautiful out really beautiful movie. I loved it. And I know I'd love water anyway. And I am a water being but I just thought so beautifully done. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was really great. All of the animation I think was better in this one than the first one. Yeah,
Tyler 46:19
it has the benefit of being six years later when technology was better they'd learned from like Elsa's was improved by what the animation what happened it like Milan has hit the mana hair animation benefited the people in this movie?
Misha 46:35
Yeah
Tyler 46:38
I one really quick shout out to frozen one that I've totally forgot to talk about in the beginning scene where the the ice guys the ice guys whatever they got the the nice ice or the when they're working and it starts to get dark and they're like they bring out the candles and the oil lamps. The the lighting and the shadows so beautiful in that scene. This movie topped it there's one scene where they're walking across a stone bridge backlit by like candle light and the shadow in illumination on the bridge was like magical chefs key magical chefs. Yeah, so magical. It was absolutely beautiful. I posit it was like absolutely beautiful. This movie is the autumnal like colors of the forest the enchanted forest the fog the purpley fire that the that the salamander creates yeah the water for the Giants looked amazing yes
Misha 47:36
when they she when they were floating down the river and they were sort of the Giants were sleeping it looks so good. Yeah,
Tyler 47:44
I even that I mean even though it's like too much I thought the horse looked really cool the the movement of the horse and the the reindeers on top of that the movement looks really good. The only part I maybe didn't like was the fucking like sort of like Vin Diesel and fast nine tone poem part that like everyone else was walking through the frozen place and like seeing that
Misha 48:08
suddenly it was weird like Ice Capades where it like really took me out like she's not what like what is what are we watching? Like a music video that's like crammed into a movie. Right and then she's like in the GS desiged dome of like family like yeah, I hated it. Yeah,
Tyler 48:31
but whereas her like her ice palace of the first one looked like animation wise wonky this one it was more I think for story reasons. Animation
Misha 48:38
choice. No, I think it was animation choice. Yeah. Bad decision making but the quality of execution. Yeah. Loses point for like choosing to do this weird thing.
Tyler 48:50
I don't think it should. It's beautiful. In the
Misha 48:53
past when they make bad decisions. Good. I don't think it was
Tyler 49:01
almost perfect, though. It's almost perfect. I think this movie. I think it needs a nine. I think that's my that's my proposal.
Misha 49:09
I'll give it a nine.
Tyler 49:10
I think at nine. I mean, I think it's yes, sort of Finding Dory levels of awesome.
Misha 49:15
Yeah.
Tyler 49:18
Music and sound. Well.
Misha 49:22
Well, so this movie,
Tyler 49:27
I think Okay, again, maybe let's start with, let's get that out of the way.
Misha 49:30
Okay, let's talk about the score. And then I want to sort of go through the songs. Yeah,
Tyler 49:35
I think the score is really good. And it's like a little bit better than the first movie. The scariness was better, like the just like jumped up in quality a little bit, I think. Yeah. And then the songs. So
Misha 49:49
this sucks. Okay, I would like to read so the first son, all is found which is a lullaby. I'd like to read some lines for of that. Yep. Because I actually stopped it because I heard I was like, That can't be right. And it was right. In her waters deep and true why the answers and a path for you dive down deep into her sound, but not too far, or you will be drowned.
Tyler 50:19
And when she sings that part she's hugging Elsa and they like snuggle Washington great
Misha 50:23
sings it, and I was like, this is weird.
Tyler 50:26
Why comment on that too? They're like, why are these like, like, with one of the the North soldier like, elder chief lady? I forget her name. She says something. Yeah, yes. Something like that. She says something like why are lullabies always so creepy? And she's right like Rockabye baby when the treetops when the bath breaks the a lot
Misha 50:47
darker than Arendelle being flooded when everybody's been evacuated. True? Yeah. So your claim that this is a kids movie, we can't talk about reparations we can't talk about colonization because it's too much for kids Guess what? Drowning children is dark Yep, drowning
Tyler 51:09
shoulders pretty dark you're right. That's the first song not off to a great start. And then we have oh,
Misha 51:17
okay, I want to say this I don't know if this is animation I don't know sorry. Sorry to cut this in. I just took a glance my notes at the very beginning also Nana are doing whatever and then they get into bed and they have their fucking shoes on. That is so disgusting. And then Anna even like bends her knees and her shoes touch the sheets not just the top comforter. They touch the sheets. That is disgusting. What kind of shit are you putting into your bed? Take your street clothes off when you go to bed. Take your goddamn shoes off. That is disgusting. That's it there also is sector Music and Sound
Tyler 52:05
okay, so then there are there's another one that's like an ensemble song Some things never change with like Anna sings it and then like oh Lof and then Chris stuff and then Elsa at the end and I thought that song like when Anna singing it I thought the anna olaf duet was good but when it switches to Christoph I then I was like let's I thought it was okay as like this song that's like things change shit dies which is how it starts but you know
Misha 52:35
is that the song when Christoph is doing spends voice and
Tyler 52:39
it switches to them? Yeah, and it's like why switch them turns awful. And then it ends with LC pensive and sort of sort of for edge lordy frozen lordy up on the balcony again. i Yes. So that song was a bit of a miss to into the unknown was the Aurora as the sort of a theory of voice and Idina Menzel the wickedly talented Elsa doing a doing the the duet that was called she is so good, so good. And this I read someone say like, move over, let it go. This is the new hit. It's like okay, it is a strong song. But it's, I actually liked this song better. It's just not as catchy as catchy. It's more like complex and mature sounding. And I like it.
Misha 53:23
I like it a lot more.
Tyler 53:25
Also, going back to an animation. When she's singing it. They do a better job of like having Elsa. Yes,
Misha 53:32
I was. I was gonna say that too. It didn't even sound like honestly, they should just do that. Like, yeah, she's so good. Yeah, yeah, this was a really good song.
Tyler 53:43
I love what she goes out on. I
Misha 53:44
liked it more than let it Yeah,
Tyler 53:45
I can see that. I think I like let it go more just because it's onto the ice catchy but I was gonna say, Yeah, I don't think but you're right that it's a more sophisticated song. Yeah, no, what I was gonna say is she walks out onto the balcony when she first belts the first time like the into the she goes out onto the balcony. I could just imagine everyone in the town going. Why doesn't the Queen ever shut off? Because her voice is so powerful. Like it was like two in the morning.
Misha 54:13
It's like a free Broadway.
Tyler 54:15
I mean, it's a Broadway show. Two in the morning. Just still gonna take it. Yeah, but I just thought that was funny. She goes out on the balcony just to sing to the whole town. Well, I mean, Oh, speaking
Misha 54:24
of that, I should have mentioned this last episode. So our neighbors across the street have a daughter. And when frozen came out? She I'm guessing she wasn't allowed to sing, let it go indoors because she would be singing it outside on their balcony constantly and then we'd had to we'd have to shut all of our windows because it was summer. And I just think they weren't allowing her to sing it and they made her go outside to sing so that means we had to hear it nones. Yeah. I mean, it was that might be why I wasn't into like I'm not I into that song because I'm traumatized.
Tyler 55:02
Yeah, it was very catchy and when it came out like everyone was singing it and there was another headline that I read doing, you know, research for this that was like, move over like another sort of move over let it go now. Like there's a new song to be annoyed at or something because I think let it go probably parents who were like, okay, because when I was a kid, I remember my younger sister peach listening to part of your world from Little Mermaid ad nauseam, like, just to the point where it became maddening. So I could see that would let it go. I think I think one reason why these songs are not as big of hits is like, almost all of them are more musically complex. As far as my stupid Yes, amateur brain could tell, like into the unknown is more.
Misha 55:43
That's what I think too. But I think it's better because like, I genuinely think it's better, even though it's not catchy in the same way. Yeah,
Tyler 55:51
I think in this case, yes. I think in some other cases, if
Misha 55:55
we're talking about catchy, he's a bit of a fixer upper has been in my head since we watched, the first one
Tyler 56:03
can't get that. That pressure song from Encanto out of my head, the one that you don't like, it is very catchy
Misha 56:12
in context and take it. And
Tyler 56:18
yes, I mean, we can't rehash as we've talked about this a million times, but and then we have like, I think the next big song is like a loss when I'm older song, which I thought was not great. Not as good as his previous song from the first movie. I liked it. Hey, it's just
Misha 56:33
like the old left songs. They're kind of like, you know what, you know why I like musicals. We grew up going to musicals. I don't know if y'all know. But I live in New York City. And we run that Broadway musicals all the time, anyway, used to be cheap. Nowadays. It's like $300 per ticket, and it's bullshit. And like, I don't go anymore. But when were kids, you could go last minute and get like $20 tickets. That's great. Yeah, I
Tyler 57:00
would have loved that I would have I would have more appreciation for musical if I had seen them.
Misha 57:04
So that's the thing like so when we moved here, Steve was like, This is stupid. Why would we pay hundreds of dollars? And I'm like, Yeah, we're not like, we don't do that. But growing up you could go last minute get really decent seats that were unsold for super cheap. So we would always do that. And I like musicals. And all laughs songs. His in summer, or in the summertime or whatever it was from the first movie. And then this one when I'm older, they really remind me of like those sort of cheesy uplifting musical songs that were that used to Elise used to be in musicals. And I liked it
Tyler 57:45
I like it. Yeah, sorry show Toony Yeah, I thought it was yeah, it was good. I just yeah, all I meant was I think is like summertime when was a bit nicer because it was a little funnier and also a little bit shorter. It
Misha 57:57
was funnier. This one was just kind of sad.
Tyler 58:02
The next one is reindeers are better than people by
Misha 58:06
why did it open with me?
Tyler 58:09
I don't know. It was like, it was like a Bryan Adams or like a Jon Bon Jovi thing. Yes,
Misha 58:14
it was a ballad. It was so layered a 90s Ballad and I don't understand why they it was so strange waiting for saxophone to show up like is very weird now like when I'm
Tyler 58:27
an older they brought in like a different style and it worked because it's like the whimsical character singing
Misha 58:35
a because it's like show Toony like you said like classic musical. cute song
Tyler 58:42
yes was this one was really like weird and when Spanish singing that was really bad I thought it was just really cheesy not like this stupid my ginger sweet love. She says at one point. Yeah,
Misha 58:57
that's just the end. No ginger sweet love.
Tyler 59:01
Yeah, Jonathan Groff love him. He's really great in Hamilton, but just in mind Hunter but which I've never seen but he's so good as in Hamilton, but this I mean, I mean he's a great singer to great performer but this song is really bad. Lost in the woods is the one not Rangers are better than people Rangers are better than people is like a kind of goes into lost in the woods loss of the woods is the song we're talking about. That's like the power ballad
Misha 59:31
and then we have show you Oh, that's reindeers are Pete are better than people
Tyler 59:36
now. I think it's lost in the woods. I think it's the lovey love loved one in the woods are better than people people was a song from the first one that then gets he there's a shorter one that he's start singing frozen too. But it goes into like in the in the first movie. Remember when he tries to get like, supplies from the big I open the very sort of Swedish sounding man. He seems like in the bar and he thinks that Rangers are better than people and then Ana walks in and demands that they take her to the North Mountain. This He starts by seeing Rangers are better than people again and singing for Sven and then start singing to each other to each other. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify because someone will go oh actually
Misha 1:00:28
that's That was awful. That was really good. sell that. Yeah,
Tyler 1:00:34
I like making fart farts are the best
Misha 1:00:38
and then we have the next song is else's song. I decide that Yeah, sure.
Tyler 1:00:49
The in the weird like, sort of, yeah, tone poem one. And then and then we have which that one was okay. Again, again, like showcasing it was again, like a more complex comp, like sort of nuanced composition. It's not so like, like catchy but again, it's just really showcasing Idina Menzel is like, powerful voice, which was nice. I just thought it was like a little forgettable as like, a song, but she really kills it. Then we have the sad song that Anna sings Kristen Bell, which I thought was okay again, but
Misha 1:01:24
I thought, right when a laugh is dying or dead,
Tyler 1:01:28
are you like right after and then she's like, making good
Misha 1:01:31
out of the news. Okay, I was a little disappointed by that song.
Tyler 1:01:36
Again. It's like a lot of these songs. It's like, okay, I like how they're going for like, a more complex thing. It's not just trying to make catchy, catchy song after catchy song, right? But it's like, part of it's like, oh, I appreciate that. But part of it's like, this is forgettable.
Misha 1:01:52
Don't include it. Yeah.
Tyler 1:01:54
But I liked how I guess another part of me although I didn't like all the songs as I liked how everyone got their chance to shine in the musical format, too. Even though I fucking hated Chris salsa. I liked that. They gave him a song, if that makes sense. No, I don't. I mean, I might do it. Because Jonathan singer, I think he like is talented. So they should have just written a better song they should have or no, I'm totally agreeing with that. I just I liked the idea, but they didn't execute it. Well, if that makes sense. Okay. And then at the end of the movie, jumping ahead a little bit. We have
Misha 1:02:28
a couple and there's three credit songs. Which Yeah,
Tyler 1:02:32
one of them is Panic at the Disco. One of them is Weezer. And one of them is Kacey Musgraves. Who's great and wonderful.
Misha 1:02:40
And that's the second one. Yeah. But there's there's Okay. The other two were the other two were fucking gross. Very weird. Why? So Steve was there for the Weezer song and he goes, who is this for? And he said, Kavita,
Tyler 1:02:57
this is.
Misha 1:02:59
She likes Yeah, I mean, we like we I don't know I don't know actually if she likes Weezer, but I mean she must we're the Weezer generation Yeah, we people our age have kids are having kids. I mean, not me my cats don't care about Disney movies and neither does Simon my dog but like you know people our age are watching this and people our age listen to Weezer. So I'm guessing that they were like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is who we're gonna get. Yeah, yeah. It's
Tyler 1:03:34
I mean, yeah, fine. Like for that reason? Fine. Like whatever I just No, I mean, no, no, for me, for me personally for me just just fast forward through it. I listen to a little bit like blue passport. Fast forward to the end scene, which we forgot to talk about the ends the post credit scene from the first one we can talk about it get to talk about that. We'll be talking about both of them. The yeah the big ice monster marshmallow at the end of frozen one finds else's crown and puts it on and he's really happy or it's really happy. Sorry, you can gendering the monster. And then in this one off is telling the story of the movie. And it's not very intrigued but he's telling it to marshmallow and all these little marshmallow wets
Misha 1:04:18
marshmallow Ling's snow creatures. Yeah. Which
Tyler 1:04:23
is totally unnecessary. I mean, I the post credit scene. It's gone too far. There are too many of these things. Yeah, I blame I blame Marvel. Yeah. Actually, we could blame Ferris Bueller's Day Off technically but I blame Marvel anyway, let's give them music a score.
Misha 1:04:41
I think it's on the good side of okay. Yeah, cuz the score is quite
Tyler 1:04:45
or the Yeah, the score is quite good soundtrack is like hit her hit and miss. And then miss and miss. So six, six, definitely weaker than the first one. Okay. Yeah, well Next up, protect agonist in this case, I protagonists Yes, me. Now, I was actually a protagonist. Yeah. And the first one
Misha 1:05:08
she wasn't. Mm hmm. And, I mean,
Tyler 1:05:14
okay, so I love to hear what you have to say about this. Because
Misha 1:05:20
this one and I don't like Anna as much in this one and is
Tyler 1:05:23
given like less to do but she's more sure of herself, which is nice. She's less, you know, the clumsy trope thing that we talked about, right? What she's given less to do, but she does do some great things else has given more to do. But Elsa still, like sort of hasn't learned her lesson from the first movie, which I didn't quite
Misha 1:05:40
like. I I don't know just watching it. It's like, I realized I wanted more magic because like, that's kind of the fun part of this. So I liked watching Elsa, and I liked her doing all her magical things. Sorry, I you know, this is a fantasy movie. Yeah, no, I agree with that. It's just Anna doesn't have powers and I get that she's upset. Like, she just seemed to upset that Elsa. What bothered me is every time else was like, I need to do this and Anna would get so upset and push everyone else aside. And just be like, I'm so obsessed with Elsa. I can't be apart for and it's just like, Okay, we
Tyler 1:06:29
think about when we talked about think about the traumatic upbringing. She's had like, I mean, and Elsa. Elsa get married two years old who can they both promised? Elsa made a promise that she would like always be honest and she's not being honest she's not telling the full story she's gotta go
Misha 1:06:47
like figure this shit out on her own sorry Anna calm down
Tyler 1:06:52
all right, I'm a little bit more on Anna's side and this one but also
Misha 1:06:54
I'm more analysis side like get okay come on. This is like way above your paygrade so
Tyler 1:07:01
then she needs to say that but she doesn't she just pushes her away on a frozen boat with Olaf protection for her protection but I mean I don't know I did I do agree that it's nice that there's more Elsa I do like that. I just feel like Yeah, I mean a lot of these movies can't have open communication because then the plot falls apart but it's still like lovely to see people talking to each other. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, what do you think do you think that like because Elsa is more in it
Misha 1:07:31
and this one they could have had open communication and still had the same plot? Yeah, which is different from the first one they just
Tyler 1:07:38
need to have a conversation like look, I hate to say this again and it but you can't cross a frigid ocean on a snow horse like I can so you got to stay behind that you will
Misha 1:07:49
die do this I can come back to you. Yeah,
Tyler 1:07:53
you rally the troops destroy the dam do whatever you need to do you can destroy them like
Misha 1:07:58
we each can do things differently for the same goal. Yeah. And Anna just was really knowing about it
Tyler 1:08:05
which in the end she does do but she doesn't realize that until after she thinks else is dead. She thinks else is dead. I mean, okay, so maybe like yeah, if it were only Anna it would come down but Elsa is in it and maybe that brings it up so do you think that this is like a similar score like an eight or should this be a little bit lower
Misha 1:08:30
I was thinking exactly what you said a seven or an eight and I can't decide
Tyler 1:08:37
I think us I think I think it eight is good because if we think like it's mostly Elsa driving it and she's making strong decisions and doing what she thinks needs to be done. She's a very strong protagonist in this as yeah as
Misha 1:08:55
like the primary protagonist and Anna is the secondary then yes, yeah. I would Okay,
Tyler 1:09:01
and then when Anna is like, sort of not in charge, but when she thinks else is dead, she really steps up and does the right thing that really needs to be done destroying that dam so we should give her some credit for that. Okay, so eight then okay cool. Um, psychic speaking and psychic really quick they this isn't a psychic thing, but I just wanted to bring it up so when they meet these like North Elgin people, Christoph makes another reindeer boyfriend. And they in this guy tries to help Christoph proposed to Anna with a bunch of reindeer. But when they introduce him, he's like, my name is Ryder. And it just made me laugh so much. Such like a boy Why does it restaurant my boy he was like he was an idol as a kid. Him and will Fidel shout out to all for no
Misha 1:09:56
place to end. But yeah, it's
Tyler 1:09:59
like It's just such a weird name like come up with the I don't know the cooler name writers fine but not for this movie. It just seemed weird.
Misha 1:10:07
Or like Asami name if it's based off of Sami Yeah, Paul, like, come on.
Tyler 1:10:14
Okay, so side kicks. We have Kristoff Olaf Sen again. We have the cute little lizard but he's, I don't know,
1:10:21
I don't think we have Captain Mateus. But
Tyler 1:10:26
he's I would say he's not quite a sidekick either. He's helpful that aside. He's not a sidekick, Sterling K brown though. Jeff's kiss. So do we think that they deserve higher points for this movie though? Or do they deserve lower points? Lower point controversy.
Misha 1:10:42
I don't think this one controversy.
Tyler 1:10:45
Yeah, I completely agree. Yep. Do you know what I fucking love? Okay. Kristoff bugs me. He bugged me the first one. I talked about how bland he is. This one he was mostly bland. But there's one part where I thought you got a boner? No, I didn't get a boner, but I just thought it was great that Christoph got this massive Boehner and that they showed it. Now, when Anna's like when Anna almost gets crushed by the giant and Christoph comes together. He had last time we saw him he was singing that stupid power ballad talking about like is love over like is my life over because I can't breathe without her blah blah blah. He sees her he he gets her on the on the reindeer.
Misha 1:11:24
Do you know what love is?
Tyler 1:11:29
And want you to watch you to show me. Yeah, but he doesn't say like, oh, where have you been? I missed you. I love you. Like, oh, and by the way I like want to propose he immediately just says like, I'm here. What do you need? And I just thought that was really great. I thought that was really really good.
Misha 1:11:52
I do too. I did like that. Yeah. That was big. Because they could have done this. I gotcha. Could have done this fucking
Tyler 1:11:59
bullshit. Like this long, annoying little tot like,
Misha 1:12:02
right but he knows it's bigger than him. Yeah.
Tyler 1:12:04
And he's there to support us is his true love and instead of having a stupid comedic like, because a couple times in the movie for those who haven't seen it, he's trying to propose but he's like fumbling over his words and making everything worse by making Anna like, I thought that was cute. It was cute, but they I was worried they were gonna do that again. And I know it was a very, very sort of, sort of Joss Whedon. He like smart snappy dialogue in the middle of crisis type thing. Yeah, and I just go
Misha 1:12:35
get destroyed the Danny's like, okay, yeah,
Tyler 1:12:38
I'm here for you. Complete support. I'm shutting my mouth. Yeah, it was great. But overall, they were a bit weaker Olof has
Misha 1:12:46
he's in it was funny in this one it's
Tyler 1:12:48
not as funny in it and when I first watched it, and I kind of alluded to this last week when I first watched it I was like, There's way too much this guy fucking hate him. This time I tolerated it more.
Misha 1:12:57
I didn't think there was too much of him but I just didn't like him as much because I saw the first time I watch frozen I was like, I fucking hate Olaf. The second time I watched it for the show and I was like okay, he's calling on me he has some funny lines and I you know I'm laughing at the stupid things that he says like grabbed my butt those bravery of the first one I liked you know, I liked him enough in the first one this one just kind of fell flat everybody fell flat off more a little bit. Yeah, I
Tyler 1:13:33
did it for that line alone. I liked him a little
Misha 1:13:35
bit more than he did things that I like less like that song. Yeah, sounds really bad actually.
Tyler 1:13:41
Yeah, but my my hatred of Olaf when I first watched this movie went down like for some reason I really bugged me he but he's just like, flat a little bit flat. I liked the part where he's like like the first time they bring it up where he talks about like, well everything's ending like he's learning things about the world needs realize that everything dies. I liked it the first time but then it's just gets repeated as
Misha 1:14:04
much Yeah, I think it's I mean this time around.
Tyler 1:14:07
Do you think it's like a five or do you think it's worse than a five? A six got a six the first time you
Misha 1:14:13
think just a little dip? Okay, it's kind of bland. All right, five and up on that dip. When that didn't dip we did we did. Villain.
Tyler 1:14:26
Snow villain the villain is the grandfather who's dead already and he's not there is no villain. So one and henchmen there's no Yeah. henchmen. Yeah, strong female lead.
Misha 1:14:37
I would say. It's,
Tyler 1:14:40
I mean, like the first frozen it's all strong female 10 Yeah,
Misha 1:14:44
it's them too. Yep. Nice.
Tyler 1:14:47
It's good to not have to complain about this category. This category bipoc representation slash portrayal. Now it's better than the first one.
Misha 1:14:57
It's a buy one cares one character.
Tyler 1:14:58
There's also the The North the North halogens are supposed to be sort of standard for like indigenous peoples. And
Misha 1:15:04
yes, and they did consult with Sami people, it bring them to consult on the movie tried to get some of the details. Correct, which, you know, they didn't have to do, which I appreciate. I wonder if the Sami consultant produce it. Good. Go ahead.
Tyler 1:15:22
I was just gonna say I wonder if the Sami consultant then watch the movie said, we don't look like Inuit people. Yeah, like we tried to
Misha 1:15:30
make a different article. I read an article all about this, but it was before the movie came out. And I couldn't find anything that were talked about it afterward. But it was like, what after the trailer had come out. So they saw what the people looked like, who wrote this. The other thing is they did put out a Sami language version, which is nice. Yeah. So it is slightly better. Yeah.
Tyler 1:16:05
It's just weird that I mean, it doesn't. It's like
Misha 1:16:09
the end of the movie. I'm like, so pissed. Yeah, fuck you. Like, no, North Aldrin's should lead North Aldrin's, they shouldn't have this person who's been the Queen of Arendelle
Tyler 1:16:22
didn't say that she was going to be leading the North Ultron. So she's just up there, like I was doing why she's the fifth fucking spirit element or whatever. Like, she's the connection between the spirits and the elements and the people the whole thing was so it was not it was it was not clear at all. So I, your your interpretation is totally valid. Like she might be up there like the new leader. I just, I want to see those people go. I think she was autonomy, whereas Yeah, I think you're taking the pessimistic view. And I'm like, hoping that there's a better version but you're probably right about it. I mean, I mean, if I were Sami Abu like I would be looking at this like what did they were not Inuit. Why did you make us look into it? I'd be pissed about Yeah, but at the same time, it's nice that they look into it too. It's nice that they like show indigenous people of some kind, any kind. And like have some representation. I want to know what the voice acting though was like, not probably all white whities? Yeah,
Misha 1:17:18
none. And there are so many actors that they could have and singers which is the other thing that I was just to have some Sammy singers be like part of the soundtrack if you're gonna and
Tyler 1:17:30
they haven't heard the song and the beginning weren't these where they saw me? I don't know. I don't remember the song was for sure. Like it was a release inspired by the you like the song. Okay,
Misha 1:17:42
I but I don't think any of the people singing it or saw me and I think that the writer wasn't he's Norwegian and not Sami. Yeah.
Tyler 1:17:53
Yeah, I looked it up last week, but I don't remember. Definitely Panic at the Disco and Weezer definitely not Sami. So they're not getting points there. Right. And Sterling K brown. Just shout out to Sterling K Brown. That guy is a like, s tear like crier on edit. Like he cries so well. And he's just like, such an expert at just crying and looking like really emotional. He's so great. All right. So like
Misha 1:18:19
one or two?
Tyler 1:18:20
I think it I think maybe a three because it's like, there's okay, there's so there's one person of
Misha 1:18:27
color. So we did that before and it's still got Okay, so in two then two and previous things.
Tyler 1:18:35
Sterling K Brown is kind of like a one plus though. But yeah, anyway, you're in.
Misha 1:18:39
Wait, he's at Listen, I don't. Okay, maybe no, no, you're right. So sometimes I'm like, but I feel bad because sometimes I'm, it diminishes that one person's contribution to the film.
Tyler 1:18:52
Yeah, I did like that. And I don't want to do now. So maybe also three because his it wasn't just his voice. His character was also a person of color too, which I mentioned last week, like people were fucking angry about, like saying there was
Misha 1:19:05
a need to cut their own dicks off. And then yeah, publicly and cry about
Tyler 1:19:08
- Same with the Witcher TV show. They're like, how is that character? Looking like that. Like, that's not what Nordic people look like, or Eastern European people. It's a fucking fantasy show. What you should be worried about is the bad, right? Not what people look like. But anyway.
Misha 1:19:23
All right. So let's go to with two. A two
Tyler 1:19:26
is fine with three. I think a two is fine.
Misha 1:19:30
Okay, fun factor.
Tyler 1:19:32
This one's less fun than frozen, I think. Oh, sure. Is I think it's less fun than I want to. Yeah, so that brings it down to a three already if we're agreeing on that. I don't think it's less fun than it's more fun. It's more fun than bulbous about to say the same thing. Like it's so
Misha 1:19:50
I think we're gonna say I think we're
Tyler 1:19:52
Yeah, we're at a three. Okay, which brings us to doesn't sit right now. I think it does. As it should maybe lose at least one point for just like shooting it's like message in the foot at the end, basically.
Misha 1:20:06
Yes, yep. Yep. I think it needs to lose a few points, like three full points to for the message at the end beefing it, they did not do that correctly. And for making the Sami people, the Sami inspired people look into it, because it's a totally different region of the world and like, I get what they're trying to do. That's not okay. Yeah,
Tyler 1:20:28
yeah, it is clumsy for sure.
Misha 1:20:31
Yeah, okay,
Tyler 1:20:32
that's fine with me. I'm fine with that.
Misha 1:20:34
A little bit of punishment. Um,
Tyler 1:20:37
I feel bad because this movie is really, really beautiful. It's like really gorgeous. Like the Tom the title, we
Misha 1:20:43
have the effervescence, but we've got effervescence coming up. And I think it does very.
Tyler 1:20:48
It's got the magic. I thought it was beautiful. It's beautiful. So what do you think do you think I mean, is it as effervescent as the first one?
Misha 1:20:56
I do think it is, I think, I think it's just as effervescent as the first one. It's got
Tyler 1:21:02
magic. It's got color. It's got life. It's got mysticism, it's got standing stones and sort of elemental raw energies. Yeah, yeah, I think seventh Sure. Cool. So this movie, probably without doing the quick addition because I am not able to I think it's probably going to score lower than the first frozen but let's see.
Misha 1:21:25
Yes, I think so too. What did he get? Alright, so this movie Frozen to gets a 54 out of a possible 110 points compared to 63 that frozen got
Tyler 1:21:37
the bully. Wow. Okay. 54 is
Misha 1:21:43
not passing. Not passing now. Just not passing. Yeah. Well. So the villain and henchmen points really? Is what kind of did it really hurt it? Yeah. Yeah. Although not compared to original frozen because those didn't do well in original frozen either.
Tyler 1:22:02
Yeah. It's like,
Misha 1:22:05
what did original frozen story honestly, it's the story
1:22:09
of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess I mean,
Misha 1:22:13
it's a sequel. We can't expect it to do better than the first and
Tyler 1:22:16
I'll be cars too or Fantasia 2000
Misha 1:22:19
God damn it do cars do do better than no IT DID NOT two cars two did a point better than cars one.
Tyler 1:22:28
Oh my God. You're right. No, you're right. It can't be cars. side kicks. side kicks. Yeah. Because the side kicks were my car cane and Holly shift. Well,
Misha 1:22:41
okay. Stick Where is everybody wants to get to?
Tyler 1:22:49
Because we understand. Okay, well thanks, folks for another exciting fun filled fact filled exciting magical episode.
Misha 1:23:01
Next week is gonna be like, I've really fun
Tyler 1:23:03
and fancy free.
Misha 1:23:05
I mean, let's hope it scores high on the fun factor because it's in the name.
Tyler 1:23:11
It's I don't know much about I know that I'm pretty sure it's like two movies in one like two featurettes in what like smushed together. I know also that I'm going to have a lot of trouble finding it to watch it but we'll see since Disney plus which is coming to Turkey and like the summer is not here yet. So I have to find creative ways to find this.
Misha 1:23:33
Haha, folks.
Tyler 1:23:35
Folks, thanks so much for sticking with us thick and thin thick ice and thin skin. I don't know what there were that was okay. If you want to get in touch with us you can email us at much Abu about [email protected]
Misha 1:23:51
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Tyler 1:23:55
Until next time
Misha 1:23:58
yah yah.
Tyler 1:24:00
Yah talk bye. Yeah. I was gonna say something like cool like a nice to see you later but