Please excuse the grammatical errors, any other errors you come across, and the general sloppiness of this transcription of Much Abu About Nothing's podcast episode on A Goofy Movie! Our episodes are transcribed by a robot and roughly edited by Misha (which takes a long time).
Tyler 00:00
content warning, though this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and contains content some people may find offensive.
Misha 00:09
Lester's Possum Park... I sing that song all the time.
Tyler 00:13
I don't remeber i-
Misha 00:13
Don't you want to be.. Uh huh. hangin' from a tree. Uh huh. Where the parking's always free- hee-hee- here at Lester's pa-, pa- Possum Park. Yodle-ay-hee-hoo-hoo!
Tyler 00:31
Excellent.
Misha 00:32
Thank you.
Tyler 00:48
I'm your host Tyler,
Misha 00:49
and I'm your other host Misha. And this is Much Abu About Nothing, a podcast where we discuss and re animated Disney films going in alphabetical order following a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing.
Tyler 01:05
Yes, pretty much nothing. It's good that you started us off with that jaunty rendition of the Possum Park theme because I've got to start this off with a bit of a contrite apology to... to you and to our listeners. In our last episode I called Cary Elwes a national treasure.
Misha 01:26
Isn't he British?
Tyler 01:27
He's English. Yeah. So yeah, I claimed him for our own just because of Robin Hood Men in Tights and Princess Bride. And...
Misha 01:37
Where he is British accents and all of them.
Tyler 01:40
Yep. I just I think I just like, tried to try to...
Misha 01:44
Steal him.
Tyler 01:45
Steal - acquire him. Yeah. So apologies to any listeners who are frantically frantically typing mean messages. So I'm going to change that to he's a global treasure. Global treasure.
Misha 01:59
Um, where does he live now?
Tyler 02:02
No idea. I just know he's, he's from England. Might... might live in LA or something like that? I don't know.
Misha 02:10
Yeah, I mean, you know, what if he is a citizen of the United States now?
Tyler 02:15
Well, that's possible. Yeah, I did. I actually did not do my due diligence and look it up. So perhaps I was right in there. Well, I'll stick to my apology.
Misha 02:25
I don't think anybody cares.
Tyler 02:27
So yeah, probably not. So much. Do you want to give us the old "what are we talking about today?" If people couldn't tell from the the cold open?
Misha 02:37
Today we are talking about A Goofy Movie, the 1995 animated film that is about Max who is a young teen who is in love, and tries to impress his lady crush. And get Goofy makes him go on an adventure...
Tyler 03:07
his... his dad, for those who haven't seen it. Dad is Goofy.
Misha 03:11
Yeah, so Goofy is Max's dad. And Goofy makes him go on a road trip. And hilarity ensues because it's Goofy. And it was a very goofy time.
Tyler 03:25
And this movie, maybe it was settled earlier, but this movie sort of solidifies that Goofy's name is Goofy Goof, because they keep calling Max, Max Goof. Like his last name.
Misha 03:35
I thought they were just saying like, you're a goof like an insult.
Tyler 03:41
Well, but they say, well, maybe but like the way it's said it sounded like that was his name. Like your comes Goof. Here comes Goof but...
Misha 03:49
I feel like they were just making fun of him.
Tyler 03:52
Possibly, possibly. Yeah, let's let's let's fill in that plot summary a little bit more.
Tyler 03:59
Okay.
Tyler 04:00
So why did they go? Why did they go on this road trip?
Misha 04:05
So Max, does this very cool. stunt at the last day of school's... What do you call those like where you gathered in an auditorium...
Tyler 04:19
An assembly.
Misha 04:20
An assembly! And pulls a stunt where he dresses up as Power Line who's like, basically, the 90s version of Prince? I think,
Tyler 04:33
yeah, with a little splash of like, Yeah, Michael Jackson in there, too.
Misha 04:36
Yeah. And he dresses up and pulls this thing where he's like performing on stage but then gets caught because he wasn't supposed to do it. And so the principal calls Goofy, and basically, in a very weird, dramatic and blown out of proportion way says that Max is going to get the electric chair...
Tyler 05:01
Yeah.
Misha 05:02
...if he continues down this path of singing and dancing.
Tyler 05:07
Yeah, well, he Yeah, the principle blows this motherfucker way out of proportion. He says that Max was wearing gangster clothes and incited the... everyone into a riot, right? So, yeah...
Tyler 05:20
Where they were just like applauding sitting in their seats. Nobody even got up out of their seats.
Tyler 05:26
This is just classic principle. You know? Bullshit, right. 90s... This this movie
Misha 05:33
Sean Wallace too, is the principal which was excellent casting.
Tyler 05:37
Wallace Shawn actually. Sorry to be pendantic, but it is Wallace Sean.
Misha 05:42
It isn't pendantic, I just don't know...
Tyler 05:44
Another Princess Bride alum for our... for our podcast.
Misha 05:49
Yes. So this is, um, you know, six degrees of separation from the Princess Bride podcast.
Tyler 05:55
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he, what a horrible guy that... and that just sort of... the whole beginning really just sets the tone of this wonderful movie that it's basically like a 90s high school movie with a Disney skin.
Misha 06:11
I like it.
Tyler 06:12
It's... No, it's great. It's just like, it's just so 90s high school, like the bullies. They have the like...
Misha 06:17
Oh, yeah, the Goths?
Tyler 06:19
Yeah. The goths. The cheerleaders.
Misha 06:21
I liked all of that. I thought they did that part really? Well. Like it? I don't know. Maybe because I'm nostalgic for like, that era of high school since it's like, you know, our time.
Tyler 06:33
Yeah, that's... it's weird, though. I am not nostalgic for those times... that... this movie,
Misha 06:37
Oh, No, I don't mean...
Tyler 06:39
It was really relatable. Yeah...
Misha 06:40
I don't mean nostalgic for me to ever go back to those times or my own experience. I mean, nostalgic for watching.
Tyler 06:48
Oh, yeah.
Misha 06:48
Separate. Yeah.
Tyler 06:49
Yes.
Misha 06:50
I think they still do that now in movies, though.
Tyler 06:53
Did you watch this when it came out?
Misha 06:56
Oh, yeah. I loved it.
Tyler 06:57
Yeah. I don't think I don't remember. But I'm pretty sure I did not see it until probably like a couple years later, when it was on Disney Channel all the time. I don't remember seeing it in the theater. And it did not do well. It uh, it was not helped by Disney. It was kind of forgotten. It was a box office flop and then made a resurgence recently I found out, like people, I guess they watched it on home video or on Disney Channel or loved it. Like it kind of garnered a cult following. And Disney has sort of, like since 2015 welcomed it back into the fold. But uh, but yeah, I guess for a while I... this is all new part of our elaborate research that we do for this podcast. I found all this out. Because like it came out, you know, right around like
Misha 07:42
The elaborate research WE do where I go, Ooh!
Tyler 07:46
Yeah, of the Royal we. It's like, it was I found out again, like not going too much into development, blah, blah, blah. But it was like the last movie that Katzenberg was working on before he had that famous falling out. And then later went on to make the garbage boy Antz movie.
Misha 08:03
Yeah, so famous. Yes, I'm definitely aware of what you're talking about.
Tyler 08:07
So this movie was sort of like not given the budget that like Lion King got. It, it still had a bunch of talent, but it was sort of like, only completed as sort of a contractual obligation and then Disney like, sort of, kinda like Black Cauldron too like, sort of washed their hands of it. It's done...
Misha 08:23
I remember loving it as a kid. And...
Tyler 08:27
Yeah.
Misha 08:28
...loving it today when I rewatched it.
Tyler 08:30
Yeah for sure. Yeah, I watched it twice. I loved it. The first time I just watched it and found myself not taking good notes because I was just enjoying the experience. And then I rewatched it today to like be a little bit more you know, analytical about the whole thing. But yeah, it's a great movie and it's so weird because it's such a strange... if we think of this in the time... I mean even in the whole Disney oeuvre in total right it's a weird like... it's weird like if we think like it was in the renaissance of Disney but that was like Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Lion King..
Misha 09:05
Right.
Tyler 09:05
Beauty and the Beast and then this movie, which is such an interesting choice in a good way.
Misha 09:10
It almost feels like a made for TV movie.
Tyler 09:13
Yeah, for sure.
Misha 09:15
Even though it's really... I think it's really good and then we'll get into..
Tyler 09:19
Yeah.
Misha 09:19
...scoring and actually see how well it does or doesn't do.
Tyler 09:23
For sure. Yeah.
Misha 09:24
Generally I really like it you know, it's not like a classic the way the ones that you just... you know the ones you just named are but enjoyable definitely.
Tyler 09:36
Yeah. It was based on... I also I didn't remember this I found this out again like rediscovered it, but it came after the TV show Goof Troop and was like... the movie... so maybe that's why it feels to you kind of television-y is because it's based on Goof Troop like these characters are from Goof Troop.
Misha 09:52
I thought it was the other way around.
Tyler 09:55
No, I'm pretty sure was first, yeah, and then like I think Max is in Goof Troop but he's younger, so they... they got a different person to play him because he's like a teen now.
Misha 10:05
Oh yeah. 1992 Okay, so I do remember watching Goof Troop. So that is okay. That's why.
Tyler 10:12
That's probably why you felt that because it does have that vibe. It's got like a sort of a TV... like a little bit looser, less like, like weight of the world expectations that maybe like Aladdin...
Misha 10:23
Right. Right, less weight of the world. Also, the characters themselves, like you might not have a full length feature film about Mickey. Right, they tend to be shorter. And speaking of that, we... from the last episode, would it... Mickey's A Christmas Carol?
Tyler 10:44
Yep.
Misha 10:44
That one's only like 29 minutes long. 26/29 minutes long, right? So it's like when you have the classic Disney characters, Goofy, Donald Duck, Mickey. Those are like... tend to be shorter. Anyway, so having a full length feature film with Goofy. I mean, it's like contending with some pretty big heavy hitters.
Tyler 11:04
Yeah. And honestly, like it yeah, they they pulled off a magic act because like Goofy is to put it politely. Well, goofy, but also, he's just sort of one note, right? He just has his like, Austrian ski yodel thing. And then he hits something. But they did a nice job of turning him into like the sympathetic sort of two- three dimensional dad character. I think Max is really more of the star. But... But yeah, Goofy Goof holds...
Misha 11:38
All right. Should we get to our rating?
Tyler 11:42
Let's get into it. Yeah, let it let's get into it. So first up is Originality. Which I put pretty high. Yeah. I'm a little afraid to give it a perfect score. Because...
Misha 11:57
It can't be. Right. You have like, parent child dynamic going like, you know, ruining the teen's life, they bond over like, you know, adventure or whatever. Scary happenings. That is like kind of done, I guess.
Tyler 12:14
Yeah. And like the classic, the thing that just angers me so much about shows like, just communicate, like all of this....
Misha 12:24
I wrote the exact same thing in all caps in my notes, like, all you have to do is talk to each other. And none of this would have happend.
Tyler 12:33
Yeah, I mean, on the one hand, then the movie wouldn't have happened and it... that would be a crime. But yeah, it's like, this asshole principle tells you that your son's going to the electric chair. So then you without talking to your son, bring him on... dragoon him into a very long cross country trip, which we'll get into because the timeline doesn't quite make sense. But um, but yeah, just fucking talk to your kids.
Misha 12:59
Right? That's all it is. Like, or ask the principal. Okay, what happened?
Tyler 13:04
Yeah, exactly. He doesn't even do that. And then he gets like a sign. Yeah, he gets a sign from the toy where he works that he's got to take his kid on this Lake Destiny fishing trip.
Misha 13:15
Which is kind of cute to like, want to bond with your kid. I like that. But like, also say, "Hey, what happened?"
Tyler 13:24
Yeah, exactly.
Misha 13:24
What did you do? What did you do that got you in so much trouble.
Tyler 13:28
And Goofy is like super friendly. Super nice. And once Max does tell him super sympathetic to the point where he's like, Okay, let's get you on stage with that music star. Like
Misha 13:37
...Right with the world's biggest music musical star, we can do it. And he's like, Oh, you're in love. And I'm like, Okay, this could have happened. However many days?
Tyler 13:46
Yeah, this could have been like a heist movie where they had to get on the stage, like, Get Him to the Greek but a Disney movie? I don't know what Get him to the Greek's about by the way.
Misha 13:55
I do want to talk about that part of the movie. Should we get to should we talk about finish with originality and then move on to story because I do want to talk about the heist of getting on to stage with Power Line.
Tyler 14:09
Yeah.
Misha 14:09
Lack of that.
Tyler 14:11
The lack of it, they just jump to it, which I kind of actually. I mean, if you're gonna put that into the movie, then you got to like, cut some other stuff out. But so it's a weird balancing act, but it was a little weird that they just suddenly jumped to them finding their way on stage. Yeah, so originality. I, I don't know. I'm thinking like six...
Tyler 14:31
Seven. Okay. Yeah. Another thing about originality too, is like it comes from Goof Troop and...
Misha 14:31
Seven?
Tyler 14:37
Oh right?
Misha 14:39
Most of the char-. Well, it has a lot of self referential, like Disney...
Misha 14:43
All of characters are reused. Let's go for a six then.
Tyler 14:48
Yeah, I mean, just to you know that to... not to be too sympathetic.
Misha 14:52
Yeah. Ok.
Tyler 14:53
Gotta be scientific. Yes, a six. We may change our minds as we talk about it. Did you find weird by the way, did you find it weird that there was so much like self referential Disney humor?
Misha 15:05
Like the Walt Disney 20 Questions?
Tyler 15:08
20 Questions about Disney yet the fact that like, so many like Mickey and Donald were like hitchhiking and
Misha 15:14
yeah,
Tyler 15:15
a lot of strange. I did I was fine with it but it's just kind of weird. He had a Disney keychain... like his car keys have the Disney symbol on them.
Misha 15:21
I didn't notice that.
Tyler 15:22
Yeah,
Misha 15:23
Yeah. Okay. That's yeah, I... it takes you out of it a little bit. And like the first time Mickey and Donald showed up I was like, Oh, wait, what like universe are we in?
Tyler 15:35
Yeah,
Misha 15:35
And why is it that every single... what kind of... okay, what kind of segregation is this? Right? If you have ducks and mice in this world, why do they live in an all dog community? They go to an all dog school. Dogs only? Like, all right, so- what's up?
Misha 15:56
What's up with that?
Tyler 15:56
Yeah,
Tyler 15:57
So we're definitely... we're definitely going, going to these are all dogs because that was one question like What? What are they? Okay girl dogs? Cuz I was like looking at like Roxanne and...
Misha 16:09
Oh she's a dog definintely.
Tyler 16:11
Pauly Shore's character.
Misha 16:12
Definitely a dog.
Tyler 16:13
Okay. All right. Yeah, so it's like an all dog... But then it's mentioned by Max that Goofy's best friend is Donald Duck. So it's like Where?
Misha 16:21
Where all the ducks going to school?
Tyler 16:22
Where are all the ducks? Yeah, this is a weir-. Okay, we're blowing the lid off this. This is like...
Misha 16:27
okay, yeah. Now, right.
Tyler 16:29
This is an exposé. Okay.
Misha 16:32
On segregation in the Disney universe.
Tyler 16:35
Yeah. I blame Disney for this one... the man. Cuz he's out there. Yeah, like if he's the first name that comes up.
Misha 16:42
I mean, he's probably gonna listen to this in his little, you know, chamber where the bubbly liquid chamber where his head is.
Tyler 16:50
Yeah.
Misha 16:51
What do you call those?
Tyler 16:53
Uh, I don't know, like a bio tank? Bio cha- I have no idea.
Misha 16:58
Bio tank. A bio dome? Since Pauly Shore is in this movie?
Tyler 17:03
Yes. It's a bio dome. Yes, for sure. So, six originality. I'm fine with that story. I would give a higher score.
Misha 17:11
Me too. I would give a higher score- a higher score. I really liked it.
Tyler 17:17
Yeah, fun movie father and son. Hijinks. They meet Bigfoot. There's love.
Misha 17:24
The Bigfoot, the Bigfoot scene was so funny. I laughed so much. Everything that Bigfoot did. I was cracking up. The sock puppet show.
Tyler 17:34
So good.
Misha 17:35
Hilarious.
Tyler 17:35
The sock puppets were great.
Misha 17:37
The Dancing to the Beegees... perfect.
Tyler 17:39
Yep, dancing to the Beegees in the background while the father and son are having an awkward moment. I also really just... I'm stupid like this, but I really laughed a lot when he had the underwear on his head. He was like "arooo!", like, looking through the little pee hole. So funny. So great.
Misha 17:56
Cuz he's hiding in the box. So you don't know that there's gonna be underwear. I thoroughly laughed out loud at that part.
Tyler 18:05
Yeah, he was great. Big Foot's great. I kind of could have used him to make a comeback, like maybe help them somehow sneak on stage by causing a distraction.
Misha 18:13
No, because was...
Tyler 18:13
He's just kind of he's just kind of gone.
Misha 18:15
No, I think that would have been too outrageous.
Tyler 18:19
Okay, fair enough.
Misha 18:20
He belongs in the wild. Yeah. And he was kind of scary. Not like I'm scared but like they were scared of him. You know, he's a wild animal. I don't think he would have some weird arc where he would turn into not a monster.
Tyler 18:36
But he... he became so enamored with the...
Misha 18:39
...stuff not them.
Tyler 18:41
....material culture. Yeah, but maybe he heard the Beegees and then he made his way to.... this is... this is... I'm going to start writing a script about this. This is a different movie.
Misha 18:49
Hitch hiking. How does he get to LA?
Tyler 18:52
Travels, hitchhikes, find his... finds his way there, like I don't know. And then he... looking for the Beegees but in the end, he ends up outside the Powerline concert causing a distraction which... it's sort of like I don't know like one of those movies with like Sliding Doors where like they're different things.
Misha 19:08
That's what I was going to say! This sounds like a parallel movie. Not a sequel, because it doesn't take place afterwards. It takes place at the same time.
Tyler 19:16
Look Okay, so I don't know if you've seen this movie Tenet from last year yet, but just inject some Bigfoot into that weird timeline nonsense and the movie would have been much better.
Misha 19:24
Haven't.
Tyler 19:25
If you're listening Chris Nolan. More Bigfoot. Okay, so story. What are we thinking? Like eight?
Misha 19:31
Yeah,
Misha 19:33
8 sounds good.
Misha 19:33
And because Lester's possum park that was great. Like there was a lot of good parts. Things that they did. I love the Neptune Motel.
Tyler 19:44
Yep.
Misha 19:44
That part was fun. I love- Okay. story does get a high- because My favorite thing about Goofy is that his job is a mall photographer.
Tyler 19:54
Yeah, that's good.
Misha 19:56
Yeah, that's really u- like because if you were to think about Goofy like what job could he possibly have? Right?
Tyler 20:03
Yeah, that's a good one.
Misha 20:04
And they came up with the best job.
Tyler 20:07
Yeah, exactly. And the Neptune Motel part just brings something up. Why the fuck is Pete trailing the Goofs? Like, why...
Misha 20:18
...he kept showing up everywhere. I think it was supposed to be coincidental. But that's too...
Tyler 20:25
Didn't seem like it.
Misha 20:25
If he has an RV, why would he be staying at the Neptune motel?
Tyler 20:30
Yeah, it's a plugin. Well, the first one seems coincidental. Because they're like, "Oh, you're also out here camping." But then he's like, "Oh, you're here to the Neptune motel? Can I use your power outlet to charge my RV?"
Misha 20:41
So maybe that is what it is.
Tyler 20:42
Clearly he's trailing them. Yeah. And also, he's just super weird and possessive about like and controlly, so maybe...
Misha 20:49
About the relationship between Max and Goofy. What does he care?
Tyler 20:54
I know. He's like an old classic bad guy too. So that's...
Misha 20:58
Yeah.
Tyler 20:58
And it's funny how they reused him as like this weird like, not really a friend but but like, around, you know, to as a sort of weird villain.
Misha 21:07
No, he's his boss.
Tyler 21:08
Yeah, he's a boss. But then he takes off too. He he takes off from the mall photography...
Misha 21:14
Right, who's running the photo studio?
Tyler 21:16
Who's running the photo studio?
Misha 21:17
If they're both taking off at the same time.
Tyler 21:19
But these are good questions. These are hard hitting questions and there's just no answers. I think Pete's...
Misha 21:25
They just shut down. People can't get their baby photos.
Tyler 21:28
And can't get their weird ugly dog human babies' photograph.
Misha 21:33
Okay, they're not that ugly.
Tyler 21:35
That first baby was pretty scary looking I felt.
Tyler 21:37
Okay, I thought that baby was cute. I know it was weird looking. And... but I actually thought that baby was kind of cute.
Tyler 21:46
All right. Well, agree to disagree on that one. I think.
Misha 21:49
So, I want to talk about when they're at the mall doing the photoshoot, the little girl that runs away without her diaper or underwear- underwear on. I don't know if you saw this. As she's running away those nuns are in the mall watching her.
Tyler 22:10
Yep. And they show up later on the road.
Misha 22:11
A lot.
Tyler 22:12
Yep.
Misha 22:13
They show up on the road. They're at the Powerline concert.
Tyler 22:16
Yep, so is Mickey by the way, Mickey's in the audience.
Misha 22:19
Why are nuns so important and prevalent in this world?
Tyler 22:25
I don't know to make sure that everyone's staying in their zones, their schools and shopping in the right places.
Misha 22:32
Who thought that we need more nuns?
Tyler 22:38
I know seriously, like when.... Like, well, we need to remember this is back in the 90s - nuns were cool back then. We had like Whoopi Goldberg.
Misha 22:44
And Sister Act.
Tyler 22:45
And Sister Act. Yes.
Misha 22:46
Nuns on the Run. When was Nuns on the Run? That was...
Tyler 22:49
Nuns on the Run... I don't know.
Misha 22:50
70s or 80s.
Tyler 22:51
Yeah, that was earlier. like Sister Act 2: Back in the Habit. Also good was Kathy Najimy - solid. So maybe I don't know. Maybe people thought nuns were cool back then. I don't know. When was the last time you saw a nun and something? I think for me it was like the movie Doubt. With like Meryl Streep and Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Misha 23:10
I don't remember the last time I saw nuns in something.
Tyler 23:14
Yeah, I don't know. It's just weird. They're like weird little, I don't know. Probably. It's just the the animators or the director thought like, "oh, this here's another fun Easter egg. These characters keep showing up." Or alternatively, and maybe this gets an animation... Shortcuts like recurring characters makes it easier because you can just animate... You don't have to animate something completely new. You can just put these same characters into different scenes. That might have been some...
Misha 23:37
Copy and paste.
Tyler 23:38
Might have been some sort of shortcut, potentially. But I'm probably guessing that it was like a little in joke. Like, let's have these characters pop up everywhere. Why nuns? I don't know.
Misha 23:49
Why none.
Tyler 23:53
That that was...
Misha 23:55
There's your answer.
Tyler 23:56
That was bad. But I loved it. Okay, so eight for story.
Misha 24:01
Yeah.
Tyler 24:02
Eight for story. Okay. Next up, we have animation, which we were just kind of chatting about. Um, what did you think about the animation, Mish?
Misha 24:11
I loved it.
Tyler 24:12
Yeah.
Misha 24:12
I thought the backgrounds were very beautiful. It was really nicely animated. It had a really strong open with the dream sequence. That was beautiful.
Tyler 24:22
It was really good.
Misha 24:24
That was beautiful.
Tyler 24:24
Very cinematic beginning with the like, looking through the tall grass towards Roxanne, the love interest. And it also had... maybe this kind of goes back to your TV comment, a lot of the scenes looked like it had like sort of static painted backdrops, which reminded me a little bit of like, kind of Looney Tunes style, which was nice because it had this like nostalgic feel to it.
Misha 24:48
Yeah. And classic Disney movie
Tyler 24:51
Classic Disney.
Misha 24:52
And if it looked really nice, I like that style. We don't really get that that much anymore.
Tyler 24:58
Yeah,
Misha 24:59
and They like, like I said, the backgrounds, the backdrops. They were beautiful throughout the whole thing. And it was nice because they're doing this road trip so you get to see like really cool different scenery.
Tyler 25:12
Yeah.
Misha 25:13
Which I really liked like out west, you know, the cliffs, mountains, stuff like that.
Tyler 25:18
Yeah. And I did notice some I did notice some flubs some animation flubs, but nothing that was too, too like horrible. It was just it just stood out to me like when they're in that diner, right? We're right before Goofy dubs Max the Navigator. Like all the people in the background are not moving at all, which was a little bit weird, that stood out to me.
Misha 25:44
That's the same with that mall scene where the little girl's running away. I took- I took a photo of it because it was really weird. That little girl's running away and there are people on either side watching and they're completely still and their faces are terribly animated, where they like, quickly slapped on some faces, including the nuns. I'll have to send you the picture I took.
Tyler 26:07
Yeah, I think it's like, that's just... that's I mean, I can't... that's not a diss that I'm bringing this up, because it's like an animation shortcut. You've worked on what you've got. Also in the diner scene, Max gets like fried eggs. And then the camera cuts away cuts back to them. And they're scrambled. And Goofy's got. Yeah, Goofy's got maple sy-
Misha 26:26
That's a live action mistake. It doesn't seem like that would be an animated mistake, right? It's not like where are the eggs?
Tyler 26:35
I mean, they look like he breaks one yolk and then it cuts away and it cuts back and they look they look scrambled to me. Maybe he did but they looked-
Misha 26:42
Maybe the plate scrambled them.
Tyler 26:43
Maybe super fast. But he- another one. Goofy's short stack of pancakes has maple syrup on it, and then they cut away. And there's no maple syrup anymore. And then they cut back later and there's maple syrup again.
Misha 26:55
Okay. That's legit. No, I will disagree with you. That's not an animation flaw. That wasn't a mistake. When you are eating pancakes. You pour maple syrup. This is a real thing. You pour maple syrup all over it. And you're like, "Yes, this is gonna be the best." The pancakes absorb the maple syrup. And then you're like, Okay, this is obviously not- you can pour a gallon of maple syrup. They get absorbed. And you still have to add more maple syrup. This is real. And now I want pancakes.
Tyler 27:20
Yeah, thank you. Oh, man. I haven't had pancakes in so long. They're so great. Yeah, but I mean, okay, but you pour it on, but you can still kind of see... well, okay, I'm gonna give you that.
Misha 27:28
No! It absorbs into the pancakes. And then you have to keep adding syrup as you go.
Tyler 27:32
Yeah. But one nice thing that I mean, yeah, again, I brought that up just because I noticed it. But it's not really a flaw because it's a good example of what I'm slowly learning. You know, because I'm learning more about animation. As we watch this, and I read about it. It's like, you focus on what you... you focus your attention and your detail on what you want the people to be actually like paying attention to like where their focal points going to go.
Misha 27:57
So you're paying attention to pancakes.
Tyler 27:59
So I on the second watch, I noticed the pancakes and I noticed the eggs. But...
Misha 28:03
I also think that you need to do more research on eating pancakes.
Tyler 28:08
Well, okay, I only have so much time in the day and I did some deep dives into into Cary Elwes and his movies and I had I had certain things I had to focus on.
Misha 28:19
You can eat pancakes while you do deep dives into Cary Elwes.
Tyler 28:23
Yeah, Oh, man. I'm gonna make pancakes now. It's too late.
Misha 28:27
Welcome to our pancake podcast where we talk about eating pancakes,
Tyler 28:31
pancakes. Princess Bride characters who are in other things and Goof jokes, Goofy jokes. Yeah, and there are a lot of like little...
Misha 28:41
Also they were not wearing seatbelts. Did you notice that?
Tyler 28:46
In a couple scenes they were but most of the time they weren't like when Goofy puts Max in he's puts a seatbelt on like when he shoves him into the car.
Misha 28:54
Got it because when they were first driving on the road, what like when the road trip first started, they were on the highway right before the highway song, "Open Road," No seatbelts, you can think animated seatbelts because I looked. And they were there. They just didn't buckle up.
Tyler 29:13
And then later when... after Goofy knows that Max lied and Max chooses to go towards California and Goofy's really mad when he tries to get out of the car, he's stuck because of the seatbelt. So it is weird that they did show it a couple times, but But it's kind of like okay, we can't always animate them with seatbelts because we need them to be.... we can't animate the buckled in because we need them to be crazy and like, like jumping around
Tyler 29:36
Wiggly. Yeah,
Tyler 29:37
...but they wanted to still mention, "hey, everyone wear your seatbelts." It's kind of like how do we get them to eat this cold soup? Okay, we'll use the cigarette lighter but we also need to mention that smoking is bad because give me says something like...
Misha 29:49
Yeah, like, oh...
Tyler 29:50
"Finally there's a use for this." Yeah, right. What do we... Okay, so story, we went with eight, we didn't.... I'm going to fill that in.
Misha 30:01
Animation-
Tyler 30:02
-animation. What do you think? Like? I mean, it's not... We need to think of like other things that we're going to be watching too. So,
Misha 30:09
Right.
Tyler 30:10
...it's good, but it's not innovative and it's not mind blowing.
Misha 30:13
How about a seven?
Tyler 30:15
Seven is fine with me. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Music score... music / sound effects.
Misha 30:21
I love the music of this movie.
Tyler 30:23
Music is great.
Misha 30:25
It's So good. I love every song.
Tyler 30:28
Standout is a fucking banger. I love that song.
Misha 30:32
Me too. Eye to Eye.
Tyler 30:34
Eye to Eye is good. I think I think Standout is the standout though for me, personally.
Misha 30:38
Yes, I agree. It is such a good song. I want to give this category a really high rating.
Tyler 30:46
Yeah, I'm fine with it.
Misha 30:47
Every song is good.
Tyler 30:47
Like... a like a nine.
Misha 30:49
Yes. Yeah, Lester's Possum Park. I know everybody knows this song because I sang some of it. That whole scene. Everyone in the audience is so genuinely excited to be there.
Tyler 31:04
Yeah, that girl is just like, screaming at Max like, "get into this. You loser. Why aren't you hee-hawing?" Yeah.
Misha 31:13
I love that.
Tyler 31:13
Why aren't you yodeling? Man is so good.
Misha 31:16
If you can... if you have yodeling in a movie, it's automatically going to add points.
Tyler 31:22
Yeah, and that's a that's a beautiful sweet call back to the original goofy sound too, which was like from an Austrian yodeler slash ski or that "Yaaaaaaa-hoo-hoo-hoo-hooey!" sound right.
Misha 31:31
Oh, yeah.
Tyler 31:32
Yeah.
Misha 31:33
But they did include at the end.
Tyler 31:34
They did include that. Yeah, but I don't know if that was purposeful or like a, an intentional nod. But I I noticed it appreciated it. I also like okay, so obviously the standout with the music is like the... the, the songs like the musical numbers. But I also thought this score was good.
Misha 31:53
Me too. I thought.... I was paying attention to like what it felt like, and they did a really good job with.... especially when you have something that's, I forget what it was, but there was a scene where it was like kind of something serious and emotional. And then Max made a joke. And they did a really good job of doing a quick transition between the music where it wasn't jarring. Actually, it worked really well. I would give this a really high...
Tyler 32:16
Yeah, the guy, the guy who did the score, although he... he had a bit of a it sounds like a bit of a tempestuous relationship and wasn't happy with Disney. But the guy who did the score, or most of it was a guy called Carter Burwell, who did like the music for Fargo. No Country for Old Men.
Misha 32:33
Woah.
Tyler 32:34
Yeah. And I don't once I saw his name, I was like, wait, I know that name. And I fucking love Fargo one of my favorite movies in the music is just so good. Yeah, it's this guy, same guy. But he did... And I looked on his website once I found out it was him. What did he say about this experience? And he wasn't happy. They like wanted him to go traditional directions. And he which he didn't want to do and they got some other guy to come in and like rework his... his scores. I don't think he has... the finished product is like all he wanted to do with it. He wanted to do more interesting things. But it... even so I think it was a good score that worked. And again, just sorry to keep shitting on movies we've already watched but like, when there were moments of tension, the score helped it. Yeah, like what when they were... when they're driving out of control in the canyon and Goofy like almost falls out of the car. The score.... There was a little change to the music that...
Misha 33:31
Yeah.
Tyler 33:32
...amplified that scene that was really nice. And then went back to kind of silly gingly-gangly again quickly.
Misha 33:36
Right. Yeah.
Tyler 33:38
Music's great, score's great. Sound effects were really good too like, the sound of the brake lever braking in the car.
Misha 33:45
Popping off.
Tyler 33:45
Yeah, like, so many good sounds. What do you think about like a nine for this?
Misha 33:50
Yeah, yeah. Let's give it a nine. I'm glad you agree. Because I was like, when I was watching, I was like, Okay, I remember these songs. And obviously, I remember these songs. And but it like, they still hold up.
Tyler 34:05
Yeah, I agree.
Misha 34:06
And I was worried that maybe you... because you have a little bit more of a musical ear than I do. That you might not agree. But...
Tyler 34:14
yeah, no, I thought they were great. Even. Like, I'm not a huge like Broadway fan. I do appreciate some things but I'm not like a massive Broadway fan. But even like, yeah, listening to "After Today" in the beginning, the big opening number it was very like, Oh, this is like got a cool, cool vibe to it. It's very... sounded very like Broadway to me. I know Broadway is very diverse thing. There's a big difference between like, Les Miserables and Hamilton. Right, but, but yeah, I've had this cool like, Broadway vibe that was nice. Yeah, I say nine. I agree with you.
Misha 34:46
Good.
Tyler 34:47
Protagonist.
Misha 34:49
That's Max. Right?
Tyler 34:51
I would say Max is the protagonist in his dad, Goofy's the sidekick.
Misha 34:55
Oh, okay.
Tyler 34:57
That's
Misha 34:57
yeah...
Tyler 34:57
That's my opinion here cuz there's like PJ. There are different side kicks there's like PJ and there's leaning tower of cheese-a.
Misha 35:05
I don't think PJ is in it enough.
Tyler 35:08
That's the thing. Yeah PJ isn't and Pauly Shore's guy whose name I keep forgetting.
Misha 35:13
Bobby.
Tyler 35:14
Bobby. Bobby Zimmeruski. Yeah.
Misha 35:17
Zimmeruski.
Tyler 35:17
Max as a protagonist. Okay, so here's my thinking about Max. Max in 2021 shows some...
Misha 35:24
...woudn't be wearing JNCO jeans.
Tyler 35:25
He wouldn't be wearing JNCO jeans. Everything's a bit too baggy. That's
Misha 35:30
It's pretty reflective of 1995.
Tyler 35:32
Yeah, it's worked for 95. Yeah, but what I was gonna say is he shows some troubling behavior vis-à-vis Ladies, you know, like,
Misha 35:42
oh, no,
Tyler 35:43
...let me finish let me yeah, let me finish, let me finish but it's relatable because that's how teenagers are. I remember that, like me having crushes on girls and like, wanting to being desperate to like, do something to like, make them notice so totally relatable. It's just like, it was a little like, she's mine. And and then later, like, get away from Max. He's Roxanne's, like that that weird possessiveness.
Misha 36:08
Wait, when does that happen?
Tyler 36:09
After he does the... after he asks her out to the to the movie party. He's like, do you want to go to the movie party with me?
Misha 36:18
The pay per view?
Tyler 36:19
Yeah, the Pay Per View movie party, you want to be my date? And he walks out and everyone starts chanting his name because of his Power Line stunt, right? This like cool olders like senior walks up to him and goes "Hey, Max, you're like, pretty awesome."
Misha 36:33
Yes. I remember that.
Tyler 36:34
And then the Blossom girl. Whatever her name was.
Misha 36:37
Oh, yes. Blossom. I don't know her name. Her name's blossom.
Tyler 36:40
She's like, "get away. He's Roxanne's." And I don't know.
Misha 36:45
It's just seems so typical of teens. And...
Tyler 36:47
Yeah.
Misha 36:48
...decade.
Tyler 36:48
Yeah. Well, I'd have no idea what teens are like, now. I wonder if teens...
Misha 36:51
I'm pretty sure they're the same.
Tyler 36:52
I wonder if...
Misha 36:53
I can't imagine... this isn't like he... I don't think that's a 2021 problem. I think it's just how people would be.
Tyler 37:02
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know... I just feel like the...
Misha 37:07
I feel like you meant at the scene where he's at the concert. And he's like, "I don't know if we should do this dad." And then some of the backup dancers walk by and he's like, "Awoooga! Like, okay, Now we'll stay."
Tyler 37:19
That's universal teenage dude, right? Horny teenager. That's, that's fine. Because that's universal. The problems I had were like, I need to do something to make her notice me. She never notices me. And then she finally does notice him and clearly likes him. And he lies because she might go to the party with someone else.
Misha 37:38
I think that's like classic teens making bad decisions.
Tyler 37:42
Yeah, of course. Like I said, it's relatable. It's just he's showing some dangerous signs that if he doesn't have a good father who communicates he will wind up listening to Jordan Peterson later in his life and, and anyway, back to Goofy. I like I like Max, I think he's super relatable.
Misha 38:00
I think they did a really good job of making him awkward as teens are without making it obnoxious and over the top. Right there were like weird little things that he did. Like when he when they turn he turned the radio on. And he starts air guitaring to...
Tyler 38:15
Yeah.
Misha 38:16
...that was so stupid. But I imag- like, yeah, teens are stupid.
Tyler 38:22
Yeah.
Misha 38:22
Especially when they're alone. And it's just their dad like, yeah, teens are dumb. They're awkward. Like, they're embarrassing themselves constantly. They feel like they're embarrassed even when it's not embarrassing, right.
Tyler 38:35
Yeah.
Misha 38:35
So I think they did a really good job of that.
Tyler 38:37
Yeah. And it really captures like the... it captures the, like, the anxiety of being a teen, like your parents are embarrassing. You don't want to be seen in public with them. I mean, not everybody obviously. But I... you know, I can relate to some of those feelings and, and yeah, it's like it... Like I said, it's like a high school movie with a Disney skin. It really like captures some of those feelings and...
Misha 39:01
Is that King Julian?
Tyler 39:02
You can hear Julian?
Misha 39:03
Yeah.
Tyler 39:06
I might have to edit this out later. If you don't...
Misha 39:08
No keep it in. Everybody will get to know and love Julian. Tyler's deaf loud cat.
Tyler 39:15
He's very loud. He's He's very deaf. He's a he's a chunky boy as well. He's very just grouchy.
Misha 39:23
It's gettting louder.
Tyler 39:24
Yeah. Well, he he's approaching anyway. Yeah, so I think the protagonist, I mean, I wouldn't give it like a massively high score. But like I was thinking like, seven eight.
Misha 39:37
Yeah, seven is good.
Tyler 39:39
Yeah. Because we need to also like, like, compare this to later protagonists that we'll...
Misha 39:45
Yeah. You know, I also think like, he's fine. Maybe even I think going down to a six. Because, honestly, like, I'm not really rooting for him. I'm rooting for Goofy.
Tyler 39:59
I'm rooting for them to communicate.
Misha 40:01
Okay, yeah, I'm rooting for them to improve their relationship. And to bond and to... like I'm rooting for the story. But I'm not necessarily for rooting.... I'm not rooting for Max to get the girl at the end. I'm not like... that concerned.
Tyler 40:18
See, I, I was... sorry to cut you off. I was but like, I wanted him to just be a little less like, teenager-y about it. I guess from my perspective.
Misha 40:28
I don't think teenagers have the ability to express themselves clearly when it comes to their emotions. So you had really high expectations for Max. And that's why I think he was just like, Yeah, I don't want to expect too much from him. But Goofy as the parent should be a better role model on how to communicate effectively. And so
Tyler 40:51
Okay, so in that case, then I would say I agree with you about like maybe six for Max - protagonist score.
Misha 40:57
I think also because I really dislike teenagers that I'm going down.
Tyler 41:01
And this is a quick Tyler aside, any teenagers listening out there? I'm here, I'm in your corner.
Misha 41:06
Fuck you.
Tyler 41:08
Misha, this is a Tyler aside. What are you doing?
Misha 41:10
I'm just...
Tyler 41:12
Leave the room. Yeah. Teenagers.
Misha 41:15
No! You can't have one.
Tyler 41:16
Let me talk to the teens. Let me talk to the teens. Okay, sidekick, I would say sidekick score also a bit low because...
Misha 41:25
Yeah six.
Tyler 41:26
...Goofy is not being a great dad is being like a clingy dad a little I think.
Misha 41:31
I don't think he's being clingy. Because he learns- he does sort of overcome that and realizes that he needs to back off not be overbearing, not be pushy, and let Max come to him. And their relationship does start to get better when he sort of gives Max that space and I like that he learns that. But why didn't he just fucking ask, "What did you do at school that got you in trouble?"
Tyler 41:56
Another quick thing about Max that I was just- that I just noticed in my notes is like, he changes the map not knowing that his dad's going to give him navigator privileges.
Misha 42:06
Correct.
Tyler 42:06
So who... How did he ever think he was gonna... that's a classic like, like child or preteen move, like how did he ever think he was going to get away with that like....
Misha 42:16
Right it's- he erases the circle over Lake Destiny and then...
Tyler 42:21
Circles Los Angeles.
Misha 42:22
Circles LA.
Tyler 42:22
Yeah. Okay, I think we we've talked-
Misha 42:27
I don't know if I'm being too harsh on these two.
Tyler 42:29
No, I think six is fine, because we also need to like... it... Here's the thing - we've just gotten burned so bad by A Bug's Life's Flick and, and Scrooge in A Christmas Carol that this is our first... this is our first like, likable. Like leading...
Misha 42:44
Okay,
Tyler 42:45
...leading people. So
Tyler 42:46
I think- I think six... you know, we're gonna maybe do like a later midterm report and maybe we can temper these once we've watched Aladdin and... and, and all the others: Brave and such. So I think six is fine for this. I don't think we're being too mean.
Misha 42:46
Yeah.
Misha 42:59
All right.
Tyler 43:00
Next up is Villain, who I would say, Pete because he keeps or, or being a teenager is the villain. I don't know.
Tyler 43:10
I would say it's Pete.
Tyler 43:11
Pete's the one who keeps screwing things up? Like...
Misha 43:15
Well, yeah, by giving Goofy bad advice, intentionally giving Goofy bad advice to sabotage their relationship?
Tyler 43:22
Yeah, But I don't think he should... He should not get a high score because he's not a compelling.
Misha 43:27
No.
Tyler 43:27
I mean, he's barely in it. And he's not a compelling... compelling villain.
Misha 43:30
I do like that he... when they showed up camping, and he- they see each other for the first time. He says, "what a serendipity doo-dah!"
Tyler 43:39
Yeah, that was good.
Misha 43:41
That was the best line.
Tyler 43:42
One of my favorite lines in this too. Now that we're talking about, like, favorite lines is when he jumps in the hot tub and it's overflows and he and he says, and he mutters to himself, "people are always putting too much water in these things."
Misha 43:53
Yeah.
Tyler 43:54
Like it's just so good. Like, such a throwaway line. It's so good. Because it says a lot about his- his sort of egotistical view. Yeah, I would give a- I would give this a bit low. Like a three maybe.
Misha 44:10
Yowza! Yeah. If well...
Tyler 44:14
Maybe four, maybe four? Because he's not really like a villain per se. He's not a villain like, like, like Hopper in A Bug's Life.
Misha 44:22
Right. So what do we do if a movie doesn't have a villain?
Tyler 44:30
Here- Well, here's the thing we could-
Misha 44:31
Do we just announce- do we just say okay, this is like the most villainous character gets and let's rate them based on that, like, Pete. Okay, if you look at his character, he's not a three. Like, let's say he's not being ranked as a villain, but we're just saying here's the character category. What do you think about this character?
Tyler 44:48
Oh, he would be higher in that case. I just mean sort of like a traditional sort of villain. He's a bit low on the scale. But it's... we could also go another way and like maybe there is no physical villain, the villain is miscommunications.
Misha 45:02
Yes, lack of communication.
Tyler 45:04
And in that case, this is gonna be like a nine.
Misha 45:06
Yeah. Okay, it's gonna be Pete. Put a three.
Tyler 45:10
Okay. All right.
Misha 45:12
So he could have done more to sabotage them because he was trying to sabotage them.
Tyler 45:15
Why can't we... Why can't... Why did you just shoot down my abstract definition of...
Misha 45:19
I do like that idea. But like, No.
Tyler 45:21
It's too complicated?
Misha 45:23
Because then we can for every... every category, we can sort of come up with something abstract that's like, the true hero is self-love. And...
Tyler 45:34
Well, we don't say hero here, it says, protagonist.
Misha 45:36
Protagonist, okay. Well, we could say, you know, this is coming up in a couple categories, strong female lead, is Max's dead mother? I don't really know who is...
Tyler 45:50
Who's never mentioned.
Misha 45:50
...been guiding him. I know.
Tyler 45:52
But miscommunication is the actual villain. It's the he's that's the bad guy. It's just an abstract concept.
Misha 46:02
Let's keep it as Pete.
Tyler 46:03
Okay.
Misha 46:04
Because he is intentionally trying to sabotage them. I think if you just sort of in... around and not trying to be so mean.
Tyler 46:15
Yeah, he's, he's got that villain thing where I mean, maybe this is getting too academic about it. But he's got the villain thing where he he's not intentionally trying to sabotage them. He is... He... He just thinks he's right. He thinks his parental is correct. And he is then sabotaging them, but he I don't think it's going.... I don't think he's going into it. Like, I want to see his relationship with his son destroyed,
Misha 46:41
I think he is,
Tyler 46:42
no, I don't think so.
Misha 46:43
He sees them getting along and he doesn't like it because he wants to be the better parent. Like he wanted to be the better photographer.
Tyler 46:50
I think... I think okay, you might have... you might be right there. My thinking is this though. Like he sees them getting along and he because his views are skewed and he thinks that being a parent must be authoritarian relationship master servant type thing, like a Confucian relationship with the son, that he sees that as like that, so there's something wrong with that the son's doing something and in the end so...
Misha 47:14
I think we're both right, because... because of that at the beginning when he sees Goofy with the little baby doing a really good job and the moms like "Oh, you're so good with kids" and he like gets jealous that he's not number one. I think it's both, like he does think that you should have that type of relationship authoritarian type of relationship with your child but I also think he doesn't like to see other like Goofy specifically have a good relationship with his son and he does want to sabotage that.
Tyler 47:40
He's got a he's got like a mad case of like a... what is it... schadenfreude? When you delight in the pain of others,
Misha 47:49
yes.
Tyler 47:50
Yeah. Okay, so he's the he's the villain. You've you've brought me I was being too stupid and abstract, but the miscommunication thing.
Misha 47:57
Yeah, I don't want to do the abstract.
Tyler 48:00
Okay, do you think that three is a good score for him?
Misha 48:03
Yeah.
Tyler 48:04
Okay.
Misha 48:04
Yeah.
Tyler 48:05
henchmen?
Misha 48:06
Cuz I think he could have been more villainous. Yeah. And it would have been kind of fun to see.
Tyler 48:12
Henchmen. I guess like a one because there aren't really any henchmen. Right?
Misha 48:15
Yeah.
Tyler 48:16
Like the Bigfoot's not a hencmen...
Misha 48:16
I mean technically it would be PJ.
Tyler 48:17
But PJ is not helping his...
Misha 48:18
But he's... he's Max's Best Friend. And that's kind of cute. I like those two together. But he's not a henchman.
Tyler 48:21
But he's not a henchman. Yeah, so.
Misha 48:28
right one there's so if there is no henchmen, we give it a one?
Tyler 48:33
I guess like we did that with with Christmas Carol. There's no sidekick, there's no strong female lead.
Misha 48:38
Even if there was, they would have gotten away.
Tyler 48:40
Well, yeah. Like there's no...
Misha 48:42
Every character deserves a one in that movie.
Tyler 48:46
But yeah, I think like if there is a lack of it, if we're not giving goose eggs, then it's got to be a one right?
Misha 48:53
All right.
Tyler 48:53
So, strong female lead. And that case is also a one, right?
Misha 48:58
Yeah,
Tyler 48:59
Roxanne. Roxanne is cool. I like her a lot. But she's not a lead. So...
Misha 49:02
Right. Yeah.
Tyler 49:03
And we don't.
Misha 49:04
Speaking of Roxanne, Steve who just saw like a couple minutes of the intro before he had to leave, said "the internet is horny for this animated dog lady." And I was like, Okay, it's time to go - get out of here.
Tyler 49:21
Yeah.
Misha 49:22
I don't want to hear about perves on the internet.
Tyler 49:25
Oh, I... Yeah, that's a that's a rabbit hole. Not to travel down for sure.
Misha 49:30
Correct. Yeah, no, thanks. And she's an underaged, animated dog.
Tyler 49:35
Yeah, she's Yeah, she's a high school student.
Misha 49:38
Not thanks. We don't need to hear their opinions.
Tyler 49:41
Right. BIPOC representations as portrayal - I'm throwing it over to you.
Misha 49:47
Okay, so again, you know, dogs, not humans. There's no BIPOC representation of the characters so we're... that... You know, who knows? Who knows? Right? I mean, we know, but they're dogs. So we can't really do that. What I did do was look up the actors. And again, not... not great. Not as bad as A Christmas Carol, not great, but I will tell you one person- So, Powerline, the person who plays Powerline is a singer, songwriter, musician, who is Black. And a part of me felt kind of icky about that, because none of the actual voice actors were... not none, but the majority of the voice actors were white. And it felt to me like "okay, we're gonna have an all white cast and capitalize on black music," which is the story of America. Right? Like,
Tyler 50:55
yeah.
Misha 50:58
And I'm, and I'm glad that there is a black character or like, he's a dog, the character but... and it just, it felt like that to me, because there weren't any- There weren't many other actors of color. There was one notable actor who played quote, additional voices.
Tyler 51:20
Mm hmm. Yeah,
Misha 51:21
And it's played by the actor who played Rufio from Hook.
Tyler 51:28
Nice.
Misha 51:30
Yeah, Dante Bosco... Basco, Dante Basco. So it was really exciting to see him but that's it, additional voices. Everybody else was, for the most part was white. There might have been a couple others like really far down the list. So pretty low.
Tyler 51:45
Fun fact, Dante Basco also did the voice for Prince Zuko in Avatar The Last Airbender, which is not a Disney.
Misha 51:53
Nerd alert!
Tyler 51:54
But, but hey, fine. If if loving Avatar The Last Airbender is makes me a nerd. I am a nerd. One of the greatest shows ever
Misha 52:02
I do want to see it.
Tyler 52:03
You would love it. You have to watch it.
Misha 52:06
You've said that.
Tyler 52:07
And the guy who played... the guy who was the singing voice, because there was no dialogue voice for Powerline, Tevin Campbell he was, as far as I remember, he was associated with Prince in some way. I think he worked for Prince-
Misha 52:18
Yeah,
Tyler 52:18
-actually. Yeah. But you're right. There is a little bit of a weird thing where like he, he wasn't a character. He was a, he was a, like a goal. Almost. He didn't even have like a...
Misha 52:29
Like Shakira in Zootopia.
Tyler 52:31
Yeah. Yeah.
Misha 52:32
So we'll get to that at the...
Tyler 52:34
get to that at the very end.
Misha 52:35
The very end. That is the last one unless they make any more Z movies by the time we get there.
Tyler 52:40
Yeah. So. So what do you think? Yeah, I'll let you... What do you think about the score for this one? It's not a one for sure. But it's...
Misha 52:48
It's not a one because Powerline is a featured character. I would go for a two. And that's it. Not any higher.
Tyler 52:58
Alright.
Misha 52:59
Not a- I know. Yeah. Not a single woman of color.
Tyler 53:02
Yeah. And again, it's like, this movie is chock full of either, like, people like Wallace Sean who are in like, kind of in everything and very, very good actors, but they're just like, in everything. Or it's filled with like, career voice actors, like the guy who does the voice for Pete is the voice for Tigger. Winnie the Pooh. The guy who did the voice for... I forget it... I don't know if he had a name, but the guy who runs the Possum Park,
Misha 53:30
Lester.
Tyler 53:31
Lester is the possum character but the guy who actually runs...
Misha 53:35
Oh, that old guy who was twitchy?
Tyler 53:37
Yeah, that's that guy that this was his last movie, by the way.
Misha 53:41
Oh, no,
Tyler 53:42
He was the voice for the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood.
Misha 53:45
Oh, so good. Well, I can't wait till we get to that.
Tyler 53:49
He's in a bunch of movies. He was also in Fox in the Hound and a bunch of other movies.
Misha 53:53
Right.
Tyler 53:54
But yeah, this was his last.
Misha 53:55
Aren't there any bipoc voice actors?
Tyler 53:58
Well, that's the thing...
Misha 53:59
There are!
Tyler 54:00
There are.
Misha 54:01
I have news for you. There are.
Tyler 54:02
There are.
Misha 54:03
- It's not the 50s or whenever old movies are.
Tyler 54:08
But I think I mean, this is a problem we're going to run into a lot like even until like the 2000s
Misha 54:14
Yeah, cuz they recycle a lot of the same voice actors.
Tyler 54:18
The... who's the guy who plays you know, in, in Pulp Fiction, the guy who the character Marvin, the the guy who gets shot.
Misha 54:25
I'm the worst with names.
Tyler 54:27
That guy I forget his name in real life.
Misha 54:29
The kid? No.
Tyler 54:30
Phil LaMarr. Phil LaMarr. Phil LaMarr is an actor slash...
Misha 54:34
Why do you say it like that?
Tyler 54:37
Because I just remembered it and it was exciting.
Tyler 54:39
No - PhilLa Marr. PhilLa Marr.
Tyler 54:40
Phil Lamarr.
Misha 54:42
Thank you.
Tyler 54:43
Okay. He- African American. He's a- he's got- he- he's an actor, but he also has like a bigger career as a voice actor. He was like Samurai Jack, and a bunch of other things. I feel like, you know, there's certainly room for more people of color and representation, but it's something that's still like slow, like it's catching up these days, like the 90s just as bad as...
Misha 55:09
Blossom, like, Roxanne. Even if it's just extra- I know with like Goofy and Donald Duck and Pete like they had to have very specific voices. Right. Not everyone can do exactly what they need. But there were so many additional characters.
Tyler 55:24
Yeah, no, you're totally right.
Misha 55:26
Anyone.
Tyler 55:27
Yeah. Like it. But this Yeah, it was just I don't know. It's still racist. Still super racist.
Misha 55:32
Yeah.
Tyler 55:34
You could even make the argument. It still is.
Misha 55:37
Yes.
Tyler 55:38
But it's slowly hopefully getting better. I mean, I don't know that much about the voice acting community. But I hear snippets because of some shows. I watch to have voice actors on and they talk about some of these problems. So... So I I've heard it's getting a bit better
Misha 55:51
Big Mouth. They talked- Jenny Slate talked about that.
Tyler 55:53
Yeah.
Misha 55:54
And then left because of it. Yeah.
Tyler 55:56
Yeah. I feel like we talked about that last time, but I can't remember.
Misha 55:59
Probably. And you'll probably hear us talk about it again. Every time we get to the BIPOC category because there aren't any Black or brown actors.
Tyler 56:06
You know, yeah, you know? Yeah. Well, it's gonna be a broken record where we complain about the same thing. And Jenny Slate's also wonderful. So props to her.
Misha 56:13
Yes.
Tyler 56:14
Fun Factor.
Misha 56:16
This is fun.
Tyler 56:17
Plus 10?
Misha 56:18
Yes.
Tyler 56:19
All right. That's easy.
Misha 56:21
Yes.
Tyler 56:22
Doesn't sit right. I don't think it loses any doesn't sit right. Of course, unless you want to give some for...
Misha 56:26
Fun factor isn't a losing, gaining it's like its own category. It's effervescence where it's plus.
Tyler 56:32
Oh, Doesn't Sit Right in... Okay. So, do we want to give it a 10 Then or nine? I mean, is this the perfect Fun Factor film? That's... that's a thinker...
Misha 56:42
No,
Tyler 56:42
No. But I was about to say yes. But
Misha 56:46
oh, really?
Tyler 56:47
But I'm okay with a nine because I'm fine not giving a perfect score to anything.
Misha 56:51
You know, actually. I would like to give it a 10. I think for fun factor. It's super fun. It's short enough where it holds your attention. There are so many really fun scenes and characters that pull you into all... like the RV and the bowling scene. The Bigfoot scene. Lester's Possum Park Oh, when they go to the cavern, and the montage of them doing fun things. All super fun, like, visually fun, and the pacing is really good.
Tyler 57:20
The name cavern was also fun. Carl's Butt Cavern is so good.
Misha 57:25
Yeah, so that like I was gonna say it goes like Carl's Butt Cavern bumps it up to 10.
Tyler 57:32
Okay, so it Doesn't Sit Right clearly. It sits well - sits, sits right.
Misha 57:38
Yeah, it sits right.
Tyler 57:39
So no negative points for this one. Unless actually really quick, do you want to give it a tiny little bit of a penalty for the thing you mentioned about all white?
Misha 57:51
No, I think that shouldn't be... I don't think that should be part of this category because while you're watching it, that's like... I feel like that's a separate category. While you're watching it "doesn't sit right" is like as you're watching it. So,
Tyler 58:07
okay,
Misha 58:08
um, and because they're all dogs, like if they were people and they were... all the characters where people are human and all white. I would probably say that, but given that their dogs, I had no problem watching all dogs.
Tyler 58:22
Okay, what about the segregation thing? Where it's all dogs? And where are the ducks?
Misha 58:26
I didn't even notice so we started talking about it. But where are the ducks? And the mice?
Tyler 58:30
I didn't notice until we started either. Yeah. Okay, so no negative penalty for doesn't sit right. Effervescence? I think we should give it some bonus points, or
Misha 58:42
I think we should give it bonus points. Um, now how do we do this?
Tyler 58:47
So I think like the max, we can give us another plus 10.
Misha 58:50
Yeah, I don't think we should give it a plus 10 because it didn't. It's fun, but I don't necessarily think it fills me with like, it doesn't move me the way other ones move me but it's really fun and good.
Tyler 59:05
It's really fun. So I think it's totally fine to give it like the perfect fun factor but just you know, like plus three effervescence or plus... this is such a nebulous category, but I love it. I love it though.
Misha 59:16
Okay. When they're on the road when they just start out the On the Road Song and there's a corpse dancing on a hearse, that gets a point. That automatically adds a point to it.
Tyler 59:29
And the did you notice that the guy with the concre-?
Misha 59:32
Pauly Shore! Oh, go head, the guy with the what?
Tyler 59:35
Concrete boots in the in the trunk of a car like in that same? Yeah.
Misha 59:44
No, that's good.
Tyler 59:45
It's funny, disturbing and then the nuns show up again. Yeah.
Misha 59:48
Yep. Pauly Shore and his Cheez Whiz. Pauly Shore. I think I loved... I... I don't know if you have a problem with Pauly Shore. I don't. He wasn't cancelled, was he? I say this about lots of...
Tyler 59:59
We talked to about this last time too. I don't know if he has been canceled. I have no idea. I have no problem with Pauly Shore. I just don't... I was never... I don't as far as I remember, I was never like in love with his whole shtick.
Misha 1:00:03
I loved it in this.
Tyler 1:00:06
But it was fine in this because he's in it for like two minutes, but when you have a whole movie with him..
Misha 1:00:17
yes.
Tyler 1:00:17
I liked to Encino Man, but I haven't seen that in a while. So... I don't know.
Misha 1:00:22
Roxanne's Dad,
Tyler 1:00:23
Roxanne's Dad's great.
Misha 1:00:25
Yeah, cuz he's a he's like a dog. She talks to him like he's a dog, though. He doesn't talk. And she's like, "good boy. Go inside. Yes, that's a good boy." Like and he just growls. I love that.
Tyler 1:00:37
Yeah.
Misha 1:00:37
What a weird world.
Tyler 1:00:39
Yeah, it's a weird world. Weird, fun world that somehow, like in this world Walt Disney is a known person who like watches over everything.
Misha 1:00:48
Maybe they talk about him like God.
Tyler 1:00:50
Yeah. Possibly.
Misha 1:00:51
Like who am I thinking of? God.
Tyler 1:00:53
God.
Misha 1:00:56
Oh, I want to... my favorite. One of my favorite lines is when Goofy is sleeping in his... talking in his sleep. And he says, "How many cups of sugar does it take to get to the moon?"
Tyler 1:01:07
Yeah, that's good. That's sweet.
Misha 1:01:10
I think this is a really fun movie. There's lots of really good little like, bits in it that make it really enjoyable.
Tyler 1:01:17
Yeah. What about like a like a plus... What do you think plus three plus five for effervescence? Five out of 10. Three?
Misha 1:01:25
Give it a five.
Tyler 1:01:26
Okay, I'm fine with that.
Misha 1:01:27
I think it can get an extra five points. Overall it's great. Like, yeah, and the music. I think music adds to effervescence. And since the music is-
Tyler 1:01:35
Yeah.
Misha 1:01:36
-so good. It like, yeah.
Tyler 1:01:39
Agreed.
Misha 1:01:40
A Goofy Movie. Gets...
Tyler 1:01:43
Drumroll...
Misha 1:01:45
64 points out of 110.
Tyler 1:01:49
Wow.
Misha 1:01:50
It's the front runner!
Tyler 1:01:52
That is... that's a lot. That's... that's respectable.
Misha 1:01:55
Yeah, that's passing. Right? I don't know what's school passing?
Tyler 1:01:59
Yeah. Well, most schools are dumb and they go out of 100. But you know, like, yeah,
Misha 1:02:05
like a stupid 100.
Tyler 1:02:08
So 64 out of 100 would be a D or an F?
Misha 1:02:12
But a 64 out of 110 is worse.
Tyler 1:02:15
- is worse. Sometimes expensive things are worse.
Misha 1:02:20
Do the percentages yourself. We're not doing that.
Tyler 1:02:24
Yeah.
Misha 1:02:27
Next up, I'm very excited about this one.
Tyler 1:02:30
Me too.
Misha 1:02:31
Next up is Aladdin.
Tyler 1:02:33
Aladdin. We'll see. We'll see how high it scores. I can see a couple of these categories that it's not going to score well, but... but uh, yeah, I'm excited for it.
Misha 1:02:45
Yeah, me too. I do have issues.
Tyler 1:02:50
Yeah,
Misha 1:02:51
I'm sure you can guess
Tyler 1:02:52
We're gonna go into it.
Misha 1:02:54
We are. Stay tuned.
Tyler 1:02:57
Until next time.
Misha 1:02:59
All right.
Tyler 1:03:00
Yeah.
Misha 1:03:00
It's been fun.
Tyler 1:03:01
It's been a whole. What did he say? Seren-. What did Pete say? Seren-?
Misha 1:03:07
Serendippity. Do dah!
Tyler 1:03:08
Yeah, yeah, it's been that much fun. Bye, everybody.
Misha 1:03:13
Byeee....