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Tyler 00:00
content warning. Although this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and may contain content some people find offensive
Misha 00:36
Welcome to Much, Abu About Nothing. We discuss it rate Disney animated films in alphabetical order using a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I'm Misha.
00:55
Oh boy, are you? You are cut me off.
00:58
cut me off in
Misha 00:59
the past. Let me finish. Cut me. Finish. kind of finish. Boy, what did we watch?
Tyler 01:10
We watched 2012 Frankenweenie a stop motion animation by Tim Burton.
Misha 01:19
Black and white. Mostly? Well,
Tyler 01:23
I think that some of the credits were in color, but I can't remember. Yeah. Anyway. Black and white. Yeah, so
Misha 01:32
it was something Shall we get into it?
Tyler 01:34
Let's get into it. I don't have the Excel sheet in front of me. So I'm gonna go for it without the Excel sheet. I will close my eyes to prove it also.
Misha 01:42
So Tyler, what do we rate these films on?
Tyler 01:47
We've ranked these films on originality in which do I have to go in order? I'll go in order. Origin Story. Animation music and sound protagonist side because I'm getting here psychic villain henchmen strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor. And then we give some minus points for if it doesn't sit right if something's icky about the movie or, or problematic. And bonus points for effervescence if it's got some special Disney magic with a score out of 110
Misha 02:21
you're wondering why I'm laughing is because Tyler had his eyes closed the entire time and then open them
Tyler 02:27
real wide. 100 of 100 110 Yeah, so yeah, let's get into it. There's no preamble necessary. Everyone knows Tim Burton. Everyone knows that he is the M Night Shyamalan of movies. Wait, that's the show. I'm honest. I think Tim Burton has arguably like M Night Shyamalan territory at this point. That's very controversial. Say but when was last time I made a good movie. Right?
Misha 02:56
Well, okay. I would like to ask you a question. When was the only time M Night made a good movie? Well,
Tyler 03:04
that is that's that's a good point. Because a lot of people think six cents is good movie. I don't
Misha 03:10
Upon rewatching it. It's not as good as I remember. We were in high school when it came out. Yeah, I know. I saw it in theaters. And I enjoyed it as a stupid high schooler. Yeah,
Tyler 03:21
I know a lot of classic M Night
Misha 03:23
Shyamalan twist. It was the first time we've shot Milan twist.
Tyler 03:27
Yeah. And a lot. Oh, it was kind of exciting. Yeah, I mean, I guess I enjoyed it. I don't say Bruce Willis
Misha 03:36
is dead. Well, okay.
Tyler 03:40
All right. Sorry, everybody. Apologies to everyone out there. That was uncalled for.
Misha 03:48
I shouted. Spoiler alert.
Tyler 03:50
With no I mean, to be fair to you, I did say spoiler alert before we started talking about Fantasia so I think
Misha 04:00
I'm not the best judge and to be fair, I think one time I said what Whoa, spoiler alert Tyler and you were like well, this dude's from so long ago as you
04:11
book yourself because been logged off and you can't spoil so take that got old.
Tyler 04:16
For those who you know you don't see the video you just heard the audio that wasn't me. That was Misha doing my voice just if you couldn't really tell the difference there. That was me Shep making fun of me well done well done that was
04:30
on yeah
Tyler 04:35
I what I was gonna say is I think a lot of people like unbreakable but I don't remember if I liked it or not. I don't remember being bad. But the new ones about that or the glass or whatever. It's Mr. Glass or whatever.
Misha 04:46
Yeah, I don't know. Your favorite movies is
Tyler 04:50
quite strong.
Misha 04:55
Occupations on a beach. Oh, I
Tyler 04:59
get it. I see. Are you telling me that yeah like the one one dimensional? I'm a barber I BB
Misha 05:07
Oh, your hair is growing at a rapid rate. I know what causes that hair growth? Because I'm a barber. What else can cut hair?
Tyler 05:16
Yeah.
Misha 05:17
Can you want a bandaid on my like, No, I said I could cut hair.
Tyler 05:22
Yeah. A lot of people like split too, but I didn't see that one was okay. Yeah, but I think okay, Tim Burton, the last movie I
Misha 05:31
remember Tim Burton had more good movie. That's true. He has definitely become that's true. I just am night shambles. I
Tyler 05:39
just don't think he's I think he's bad. I think we just need to recognize that he's mostly bad.
Misha 05:47
Okay, wait a second. Wait a second. You would not have said this. I don't know what year it is. 2020 13
Tyler 05:53
years ago to I would not have because I about 15 years ago. He's
Misha 05:58
done a lot of good movies. Yeah, it's just
Tyler 06:04
to his head this last 15 years is really he's
Misha 06:07
run out of ideas. Maybe?
Tyler 06:10
I don't know. Yeah, like 15 years ago. I can't remember what he came up with like I liked big fish. I think that was the last movie I liked. I liked big fish as well watch the Alice in Wonderland one as we talked about. No the fact that I shouldn't have I watched the second one despite the fact that I shouldn't have
Misha 06:27
there's a second one Yeah,
Tyler 06:28
yeah Through the Looking Glass Yeah.
Misha 06:31
Any redo Charlie in the Chocolate Factory
Tyler 06:33
not watch that but I imagine it's quite bad. But I mean he there are some great movies Batman Batman Returns Nightmare Before Christmas at would
Misha 06:43
Edward Scissorhands scissors stands.
Tyler 06:48
Edward with the scissors in his hand. Sorry, Johnny.
Misha 06:52
Scissor Hands. I know it sounds and rolls off the tongue better. But not he doesn't have a scissor for hands.
Tyler 07:06
I mean, yeah, you got a good point. You got a good point there anyway. Okay, let's get into it. What is Frankenweenie all about?
Misha 07:15
Okay Frankenweenie is a Frankenstein's monster spin off spoof oh my gosh, not spin off like you know, make oh my gosh,
Tyler 07:31
pastiche and take a shot with them. Yeah, the pastiche counter figures out.
Misha 07:41
Oh yeah.
Tyler 07:42
It's been a while
Misha 07:46
it's been a while and I think that's awesome.
Tyler 07:51
Yeah, we I was just talking to us about this like we can can't not do that after say it's been
Misha 07:59
saved. Boy, wait. Anyway.
Tyler 08:02
You and I is what I meant. You and me. Oh, okay.
Misha 08:05
I thought you meant households. No, no, she
Tyler 08:07
was just listening to the podcasts. I was just like, how I can't stop doing that. Like it immediately did it
Misha 08:21
okay, hold that I need to compose myself. Okay, so Frankenweenie is about a boy who loses his stock because his dad Chicken Little
Tyler 08:33
makes him play baseball. Yeah. What's your dad's fuck dads?
Misha 08:37
So
Tyler 08:40
apologies all the dads out there
Misha 08:44
Okay, so I gotta start over my synopsis just
08:51
been a while
Tyler 08:54
back to the podcast her way we could not have a yard loss that we can't do this. We'll be here all night
09:10
with her on Oh
Misha 09:17
yeah, I did a whole Dave Matthews Band thing for like five months straight the other day that was good. Yeah, whenever No, wait, that's not do this Pearl Jam again. No, what's the Dave Matthews one Hey, where are her Oh, no knife that's a different
09:42
murder her and I'm
Misha 09:48
thinking of
09:51
boy, there's somebody Are you thinking of the hack up your skirt on No more?
09:56
No.
Misha 09:58
Never say that to me. Oh, Oh crap oh my gosh
Tyler 10:07
that's the one that's like pervy like hiker up your skirt a little more chill the world to me okay.
Misha 10:10
Oh yuck how does the rest have
10:14
been pushed in the way I like to be for you for me come crashing into me
Tyler 10:26
whenever the phrase and this comes up more often than I would like whatever someone says like the space between because there's a space between so anyway Are you alright? We gotta get back on track that's too much y'all for one episode and whatever DMB Dave as the fans calm Dave he's not really Yarlung he's more like squeak squawk
Misha 10:50
like he conch Hancock
Tyler 10:51
it Yeah, exactly.
Misha 10:58
Starting over what's breaking reading? Frankenweenie
Tyler 11:02
is
Misha 11:03
no I'm not asking you I'm just when he is breaking weedy is the story of a boy and his dog who all are part of a creek town. Yeah. And
Tyler 11:21
New Holland. I didn't quite understand the whole like Holland Dutch aspect of it.
Misha 11:27
Neither did I. I felt like Mary Shelley is Dutch. She's
Tyler 11:31
English. I think she's Dutch. I
Misha 11:36
just wanted to say there was
Tyler 11:38
a look at her mom was deaf because her mom, very famous early feminist.
Misha 11:44
I think Michelle was also British, or English rather. Okay.
Tyler 11:48
Yeah, I don't know. I thought I missed something. Why New Holland wide Dutch day. I thought I just felt like I missed something. But I
Misha 11:54
don't know. I was confused too. So it's about this boy who loves science. But like Chicken Little you shouldn't be smart. You should just play baseball. Yeah, baseball. So in this spooktacular remake of Chicken Little. The dad forces Victor Frankenstein to play baseball. And then the dog chases the baseball and gets hit by a car and dies. And then Victor Frankenstein electrocute him with lightning back to life just like Frankenstein's monster by Mary Shelley. And then the other rotten kids get wind of it. And they want to replicate the experiment for the Science Fair.
Tyler 12:47
Everyone's all over their science project. Kids are all about winning the science fair. Now for some reason,
Misha 12:52
right? When before Victor had no friends, because he was a nerd, but now kids care about science because of their spooky teacher who killed the previous teacher.
Tyler 13:05
And I missed that. I didn't realize that that's you think that that did? I
Misha 13:09
mean that was my take? He was like a disappeared. I'm here now.
Tyler 13:13
It's like that Mitchell and Webb thing where it's like, let's get him out of the way. Do you want him dead or not? He's become a nuisance. You need to actually say you want me to kill him? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. So he Yeah. And then he gets he gets shipped can because he loves science and he gets to write plays for the gym, dude. And he wants to that's changed minds of these children. Yeah, that speech was great in the auditorium.
Misha 13:38
Yeah, it was. And so Victor, reanimate his dog. Other kids find out they reanimate some random animals, old pets that have been dead a long time. Yeah. Who knows what those animals turn into monsters. They have to stop the stores. Yeah, yeah. And in that chaos, one of the Dutch windmills burns down. And with it, the Frankenstein's monster, Sparky, the dog dies again for a second time. Yep. And then all the townspeople and the dad get together they charge him up with their car batteries. And he comes back to life happily ever after.
Tyler 14:32
Yeah, question mark.
Misha 14:34
Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler 14:40
Why is it called Frankenweenie Is it because like there are that does have wiener dogs. Is that why?
Misha 14:48
It's not a dachshund? It's
Tyler 14:50
a little terrier. Yeah. Well, that's what what my point is really quickly for the fun fact, which I'm excited for. That's what I was. earrings but why it's called Frankenweenie because like, what dogs are called dogs? Are they weenies? Is that a normal? Miko beanie is a hot dog. Okay, I think it's a stupid Nick a weenie roast Franken poor pooch.
Misha 15:13
Oh, wow, no, you're fired. Get out of the writers room.
Tyler 15:17
All right. Let's bring in the guy who does that Japanese accent let's bring him in.
Misha 15:23
Oh yeah. James Hiroyuki Liao, who is born in New York and has a very heavy New York accent.
Tyler 15:30
Part half Japanese half Taiwanese as well. So he he does get a little bit of a pass, but we'll get get to that. Sorry, I was supposed to be canceled. I'm out the door and he's coming in to replace me.
Misha 15:41
We will get into it. It's it doesn't it's like, okay, if it's right, rather than zero out of 100%. He gets like a 2% pass out. Like it's still not Oh, it's like if they asked me to do an Indian accent and movie and I went, Yeah, sure, please. I was fucking born in India.
Tyler 16:00
Yeah. Well, maybe he was he born? Yeah, he was born in New York. I looked. I was born in New York. So actually, before we get I mean, we can save it for later but just to for context for people who haven't seen this because it completely past me. But I remember seeing the posters and then I saw the movie posters and didn't see it. There are a bunch of kids and like some of the kids are like, there's one kid who's basically Boris Karloff Frank like version of Frankenstein's monster and also later also the mummy Boris Karloff. There's a kid who looks like who's like Igor. There's another kid whose name Yeah, his name is Edgar E. Gore. Yeah, exactly. And he's got the hunchback and there's another kid who's just got child obesity problems. So that's also monstrous. And then there's like a weird girl with big eyes whose name is weird girl. There's another girl never bleh Elsa Van Helsing Van Helsing, obviously from Dracula. And then there's a Japanese kid. Also. Like, it's like Monster Monster. Weird Girl, Japanese kid who clearly is
Misha 17:02
like, recently.
Tyler 17:03
Okay, so this is behind the DM screen a little bit, but like that, in that interview you sent me like a recent immigrant according to the voice actor. So yeah. Anyway, like, Why? Why? Yeah, so there's like, there's like it's monstrous town, or monstrous elements to this town. At least all the parents are normal, but all the kids are wacky. And then But then there's some like, just I
Misha 17:28
think it has something to do with like something in the water. Yeah.
Tyler 17:34
How the town? Not
Misha 17:36
the electricity. Yeah, like the town is weird. Like lightning. Keep striking it. Yeah. And they haven't figured out why exactly. But it's like there's some strange phenomenon that's happening. Yeah.
Tyler 17:48
And one that weird girl says it's because of the pet cemetery, the Frankenstein's monster kid. Which that's gonna get confusing because there's a Frankenstein's monster dog but the Frankenstein Frankenstein kid we'll call him. He says it's because the windmill. Yeah, so this town is weird. None of the adults have problems all the kids have real problems. Like being Japanese apparently is a problem in this town. It's like, don't get this place. Anyway, let's get into it. Originality.
Misha 18:22
not original. No, it's so it's based off of the 1984 Tim Burton short Frankenweenie which was a live action. Long version. Yep. With Shelley Long. Okay, Shelly. I get there. Yeah, I get that mixed up. It is Shelley Duvall. She's got creep your
Tyler 18:42
eyes. Shelly Duvall is the one who was terrorized by Stanley Kubrick, right? Yeah, that's
Misha 18:46
what I was. Okay. Yeah. shitting in the
Tyler 18:49
shinning, yeah. So yeah, it's based on Frankenweenie it's also their homage to all the old 1940s 1930s Like monster movies, right.
Misha 19:01
And it's based off of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
Tyler 19:04
The main character's name is Victor Frankenstein. Right?
Misha 19:08
So not original whatsoever. Yeah,
Tyler 19:12
so one big fat one. Now if it wasn't raised chicken little it's a little bit of chicken level two. If it if it hadn't been remade from that short. I feel like it could maybe get a point for just or Yeah, like a different spin on like old characters. But But yeah, I think it's a one because it's just, it's a longer and they had been planning this for a while I think even like, at parts as far as I could understand from the development like, Tim Burton wasn't always like involved in this iteration of it. But then he got he came in
Misha 19:46
anyway, and even some of the animation is just like copy and paste from other things that Tim Burton has done, which we can get an eye.
Tyler 19:55
Yeah, yeah, let's get into that. So let's get story out of the way First, so
Tyler 20:04
it's pretty flimsy. It's pretty ham fisted. It's pretty fast and undeveloped. But I do still kind of like the, at its heart. It's a boy and a dog. And that's like a nice story. It's kind of like, I don't know, like Finding Nemo. Well, then maybe Finding Nemo is not the best example. But like some movies, it's like, when they try to throw a lot of stuff in it doesn't always work. But like the core of it is still like, a pretty solid thing. Like the connection between the dog. Yeah, he was like, and the kid was very traumatized.
Misha 20:40
So we I don't know if you want to be with us. Now. I would like to talk about the ending. And everything leading up to again. Yeah, I was like, Oh my God, this poor dog has gone through so much trauma. When it got hit by a car. It's probably fucking scared that we're in pain. Okay, then you bring the dog back. And then he has to keep the dog locked up in the attic. So nobody sees the dog. The dog has this weird miserable life of eating flies and then flies coming out of it and water spouting from it and like, just, you know, everyone wanting to hurt it because it's this weird, monstrous creature.
Tyler 21:15
It is a zombie. I mean, yeah. And
Misha 21:18
well, not technically a zombie. fairpoint. Okay. And then. And then the trauma that it endured at the end with those other monsters and the like getting caught in the fire. Don't bring this poor dog back to life. Like let's face
Tyler 21:41
yeah, if you if you accept the premise that this is a weird town where they reanimate animals, and it's like a kooky zany thing, then I guess it but when you when you really think about how traumatic this experience is for the dog, there's one scene when the dog gets scared because the parents find out Yeah, and he runs to the cemetery to sleep where his grave is. Yeah, that was the moment where like, Okay, this dog
Misha 22:07
is on Yeah, this dog needs to be put out of its misery. It's upset. It's scared, it shouldn't be alive. It wants to go be at peace. And it like ran Jack first into the mirror and cracked it and I was like, I don't know if a reanimated dog can get CT, but this dog now has CT. Yeah, cheers.
Tyler 22:31
I don't know. Maybe in the animation, or the reanimation. Rather, the pain receptors aren't working properly. I don't
Misha 22:38
know. I mean, it's tail flying off, which was disgusting. And it didn't seem it didn't hurt.
Tyler 22:42
Yeah, at all. Yeah. It drinks water in this sort spout spraying it out of the wording. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I take it back what I said about the at the core of being a sweet story, it's a bit dramatic and awful. And,
Misha 22:58
and I, again, I needed to stand what what happened with the invisible fish, all the other animals like why the fish science teacher was like, oh, did you love your dog the first time around? So that's the different variable? And I'm like, No, that's not how experiments work. Well,
Tyler 23:20
I mean, I mean, according to some science people and Scott scholars, they're called science people, researchers. There's a fifth element scientists and scientists. Yeah, that's science. People. There's a fifth element, and it was love all along. So I mean, maybe love is a thing that actually is not science, sciences love, love the science. But ya know, he writes I had a bad connection to a bad movie with a Willie Willie Bruce and it but well, maybe it wasn't bad. That's debatable. So
Misha 23:52
I did like when the science teacher said science is not good or bad, but it can be used both ways. So that I appreciate that line. It is an excellent message.
Tyler 24:03
I think the whole message like we alluded to earlier, like when when he's when the creepy sign science teacher is parading the parents for being loved kids who don't trust science and who and he says something about like people love to to the effects of science, but they don't like the benefits. Yeah, yeah, all of that is excellent. But then at the end of this movie, they reanimate the dead dog. They don't know why.
Misha 24:30
They don't know how it works. They fucking just on the right hand car batteries to it. No lessons learned. Yeah, and
Tyler 24:43
and I mean, I guess like just back to like just sheer story beat for beat. It's
Misha 24:50
the movie was like both,
Tyler 24:53
like too short and rushed. I felt like it just was like it was missing some components that needed To be there to like, have a good yeah, Dory. I don't know. Like, like you said the fish thing was a bit rushed and like what happened to the fish? It was sort of like right what's the carpet? Well, the variables were different. He's a novice. There was no love involved.
Misha 25:16
Where did the fish go? Well,
Tyler 25:18
that's what I'm talking about. I think it just like disappeared and dissolved. Does it make any sense? That's what I thought I'd either that or like some it just somebody told
Misha 25:27
you. I actually thought one of the other kids stole it. So I was waiting for that to happen.
Tyler 25:32
I thought I thought the what was the kid's name again? The fat kid.
Misha 25:38
Was this Bob. Now God is that his name? Bob. That's all those Edgar Igor. Then there was like, I think Bob was one of the kids. Yes fucking
Tyler 25:53
awful movie. Jesus Christ.
Misha 25:57
Okay, I didn't think was that bad? Boy. Bob, I was eight. Oh my goodness. Everybody stole
Tyler 26:09
it when the name of a character Bob or? Or Toshiaki? Like when when Igor
Misha 26:18
stealing because he was like you like conspiring? Which I won't do any quotes?
Tyler 26:28
Yeah, boy. Well, why? And then at the end, like, and then also like, okay, so when all the bad kids or all the competitive kids try to bring their animals back to like compete some of them will those animals become
Misha 26:44
animals? Their pets? It was just like, saying, like behavior. You are. Igor was a total psychopath. full blown.
Tyler 26:53
He was my favorite. Cuz he looked, he looked really funny. He looked funny characters
Misha 27:00
such a deck. Okay, so it's all PSA. Here's a PSA. You get to choose your friends. You get to choose all of your relationships at every moment in your life. Just because you've been friends with someone doesn't mean you need to continue to be friends with them. You have a right to consent to all of your relationships. So if you have a friend like Edgar who's a complete prick, you do not have to engage with Edgar.
Tyler 27:26
I honestly think nobody's friends with this kid. Like he like Victor wasn't friends with them. Edgar just found out the secret and showed up at his house.
Misha 27:34
They were friends because, you know, they were like
Tyler 27:37
he tried to team up with them in the science project, too. But Victor didn't have any friends. They made it clear that Victor like his only friend was his dog.
Misha 27:44
Why were all these kids around interested in the science fair? Or the science?
Tyler 27:48
I don't know. Because especially because this town clearly hates science. So suddenly it was that's back to the story thing like a lot of things I just felt were like, rushed through not explained why
Misha 27:57
that Victor didn't have any friends. Why did he have to go to baseball the dog could have just run out for any reason. Yeah, got hit by a car that wasn't about Chicken Littles dad forcing him to play baseball. Yeah, I totally
Tyler 28:14
agree with all that. And then there's like, save Elsa Van Helsing at the end, like, I don't understand, bring romance into this somehow. Or like, maybe he's got a girlfriend. It's like, I don't I don't know. And it's the
Misha 28:27
story is very flimsy, like a lot of the focuses that they didn't need to do, they could have just developed the original story more in depth rather than Oh, we want to make this short, long, like a feature length film. So let's add a bunch of other stuff into it. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 28:51
I mean, I guess it is possible to make a feature length movie out of a short and make it work. But this didn't quite do it. No, I did like how the like a lot of it was the core relationship. And how that like, that was a that was a important element that kept coming back because that could have been beefed up pretty. But then at the end of the day, that's also very traumatic, toxic relationship. Julie? Yeah. Hey, I want you to stay with me so I'm going to not let you naturally pass. Yeah. Or, uh, well, you can make the argument that getting hit by a car is not a natural death I suppose. But anyway, that's like
Misha 29:28
Yeah, different disgusting. Okay, I have a very important question for you. Oh,
Tyler 29:34
and before that, don't forget you had a you had a fun fact from before that Oh, damage. Perfect.
Misha 29:41
Oh, this is perfect segment. I have a couple for facts.
Tyler 29:47
We should have some music to like introduce this podcast within a podcast.
Misha 29:52
Okay, the first bull terrier which is the type of dog that spirit grossest
Tyler 29:57
fucking disgusting upfront I'll talk about why
Misha 30:03
was first bred the first actual bull terrier there were some predecessors called bull and terrier and like other things that weren't quite the bull terrier that we know today. So the first bull terrier was bred in 1917. And the way the what it's called what it looks like that is means it has no stop. So, like at all and the stop is the degree of angle change between the skull and the nasal bone between the eyes or near the eyes, right. So when you have Rs dips, so bull terriers have it's just flat so there's no angle change. And so that's what they're bred for. Originally, they were not bred for that. And humans are the worst and monsters and they bred them to fight like bulls and bears and shit like that. It's so fucked up. But yeah, it's called a stop. So bull terriers have no stop at all. And they look awful weird. Yes, they are weird.
Tyler 31:03
They look like a science a failed human science experiment and I feel bad for them. I feel better to pugs. All these all these animals that mostly dogs that are bred into like, health problems and like we're looking weird because humans are the worst. Speaking of humans looking at the worst. Well, I'll save it for animation. Nevermind
Misha 31:25
Okay, important question. Hey, me, French toast or waffles.
Tyler 31:29
Okay, now okay, this is perhaps the the biggest question of this podcast thus far. Other than like the bang, marry kill for cars. Bang marry kill from for me personally, I'm not saying one is better than the other.
Misha 31:47
You know, I have opinions for me waffles.
Misha 31:51
Are you kidding me? Jesus. Oh, fuck is wrong with you.
Tyler 31:55
And actually, if I'm gonna be completely honest, if I out of those two, I would choose pancakes. I wouldn't choose either of them. But if I had to choose between those two I would choose. French toast is very good. I love it. It's just like, I had more of it. When I was growing up. I didn't have waffles that much when I was growing up except for Eggo LEGGO my Eggo waffles, so I would probably choose waffle. Yeah, because waffles you can fill in the little crevices with stuff. Unbelievable.
Misha 32:21
Yeah, you love to filled with stuff.
Tyler 32:26
I love to fill crevices with stuff. He likes
32:32
the smoosh between Yeah. Yeah. Good.
Misha 32:39
Are you when I was a kid? I could want to shame this.
Tyler 32:44
Shame. Well, just shame. As I know,
Misha 32:51
you're gonna pick waffles. I fucking knew you were gonna pick waffles.
Tyler 32:54
I'm not a guy who likes really sweet stuff. And French toast sometimes too sweet for me.
Misha 33:00
Wait, you just said he wanted to fill waffle the crevices of waffles with more stuff? What kind of non sweet stuff for you? What? Butter? Butter? Butter.
Tyler 33:11
The best thing? The best butter. Yeah. The best thing?
Misha 33:16
You make no sense.
Tyler 33:22
Actually, honestly, I don't like those big deep dish. I don't know what they're really deep dish waffles. I don't like the ones that like the ones at UNH. The people who make their own waffle Belgian my hate is belgian waffles.
Misha 33:35
I'm not a big fan of them. Lego waffles. Yeah, that's Jesus Christ.
Tyler 33:45
I really I like french toast too. I like it a lot. I just it when you put me on my
Misha 33:52
body and my in my french toast batter and it is so good.
Tyler 33:55
That sounds really nice.
Misha 33:58
I'm never making you french
Tyler 33:59
toast Fair enough. That's fine. I think another reason why I think I would choose pancakes is pancakes are the easiest out of all three of those things.
Misha 34:06
I do love pancakes. Pancakes with Steve makes the pancakes in this household. I'm not going to make pancakes.
Tyler 34:13
What do we give this story? What do you think?
Misha 34:17
What do we give your choice of waffles at zero I
Tyler 34:21
mean waffles and paid in French. So just a lot of work. For me.
Misha 34:24
French toast is easy. Just like there.
Tyler 34:27
There's more than like two steps. So
Misha 34:30
there are three steps pancakes are harder than French toast.
Tyler 34:33
That's you. If not If your mom like makes a homemade batter.
Misha 34:40
I grew up I said I wanted pancakes.
Tyler 34:43
Alright Will Ferrell. Yeah, my mom made my mom didn't make French and French toast and waffles growing up either. Maybe that's why I have a preference for pancakes. Maybe my dad didn't make those either. He bought Eggo waffles, or as
Misha 34:57
we were a French toast fan. only for sure.
Tyler 35:00
Hey, nature versus nurture, baby. Yeah, it's like nurture is something so crasher to me.
Misha 35:09
I was raised by I was born to a waffle, but then I was fed french toast waffle
Tyler 35:17
family here
Misha 35:21
All right, listen. Working horse. I don't know what that is. Waffle
Tyler 35:28
House. I just said it in a stupid way.
Misha 35:33
Oh, I never wait. Waffle House. Yeah, I never whenever I go to any kind of Waffle House. I don't care.
Tyler 35:38
Yeah, I've always gotten like pancakes and eggs there. I'm also weird because I like eggs and eggs too, which is monstrous and
Misha 35:46
Oh, God. Oh, Jesus. I think we have to have right
Tyler 35:49
beside just not a huge fan of maple syrup either. I mean, it's like
Misha 35:53
wait, Timeout. Timeout. You said you like eggs on your pancakes, which is essentially french toast.
Tyler 36:01
Yeah, but deconstructed. It's from the
Misha 36:07
and then you sprinkle some of that shell right on top. That crutch?
Tyler 36:12
Yes, it's from the French post structuralist School of cooking. Bad nerd nerd joke. Anyway.
Misha 36:21
What do you think first story? I think like, I think it's bad who had maybe
Tyler 36:30
three. I think like I do, like parts of this movie. But it's not the story. Like that's not where I Yeah, you're
Misha 36:36
right. It's a two. It's not the story. Not to say that it wasn't enjoyable enough to watch.
Tyler 36:45
I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought I would.
Misha 36:49
I enjoyed it more than I thought I would because I had very low expectations. Going into it. Yeah.
Tyler 36:59
Yeah, I don't know. So. Wait, what did we what are we? Alright, three.
Misha 37:04
Two, okay. Yeah, all right. Yeah. All right. Animation animation.
Tyler 37:11
Now. This is where it shines. Maybe? Yeah. Yeah.
Misha 37:15
I love spooky. I like the style. Tim Burton, of his stop motion animation. Yeah, they did a really good job with light and lighting and put like really
Tyler 37:28
good making it black and white was a really smart move. Yeah, I thought it was. Yeah. I didn't like how a lot of the I didn't like how all the like, quote unquote normal looking people looked like Fichte I thought Victor and his parents looked really weird. I don't like
Misha 37:49
that. Face like, chin. Yeah,
Tyler 37:53
that's why Igor was like comically weird looking. So I like
Misha 37:57
how Igor looked. I just very, like What a prick he was. He's
Tyler 38:01
a huge prick, but I just liked this psychopath. And it was also like, it's
Misha 38:06
like beyond like, spooky creepy, right? Which I'm fine with. I'm fine with people being spooky, creepy. He was just like a full blown psychopath.
Tyler 38:14
No, and he did that thing where he's like, you know, I'll like I'll tell everyone your secret if you don't help me type manipulate. Yeah, that's all. I also looked at how they got like a kid voice actor to try to do like an Igor voice too. So he's like, he helped me with this. Hey, it's magic. Like Yeah. What's his name? Peter Lorre like a Peter Lorre accent. Yeah, lovely. Yeah, the stop motion was great. Like the like the scenes of the lightning coming in. And like the sciency like, animations,
Misha 38:50
the blinds and through the blinds was really good. That was good. Yeah. And then the mayor's glasses he had like really thick glasses. I love them but like the way the light refracted through them, and so that just looked really good. Yeah, yeah. to detail. Now then, one of my favorite parts was when the weird girl with the unblinking eyes was telling Victor about the really gross poop omens which I didn't understand why that needed to be included. Yeah, about that part. She holds up her cat and was like well why will you give me an omen or will you give me an open Sunday it starts jiggling and wiggling the cat and the way his body moved is really funny. Yeah, they did. Yeah,
Tyler 39:36
well done. Yeah, there was a lot of little like nice cars stop motion is like I mean it's weird because it must be like really freeing because like you can stop the fucking camera and like move exactly where he needs to be. But like, but at the same time, it's quite limiting and restrictive and like how you can move things but the jiggling there's a lot of jiggling in this like yeah, when the dad holds up the like he holds up like the teriyaki beef and the shrimp in front of you in front of Victor while he's trying to explain why right why Victor needs to do sports while also which didn't make any sense. But while he's holding it up and like the shrimp is jiggling it looked a bit gross but it was a good touch animation touch because there's like gross although like movement of all the monsters looked cool, like in the end when the
Misha 40:25
sea monkeys copying and pasting Oh, yeah, yeah, ocean. Yeah, they're rat monster was this same rat monster that they used in the Nightmare Before Christmas.
Tyler 40:38
I haven't seen it so long. I didn't even catch that. I don't. I didn't remember the deal. The only thing I remember is what's the name? Bogey bogey was his name. The bank can't
Misha 40:46
wait till we get to that so good. Yeah, I know the bogey song. So good. I love that movie. Yeah, it
Tyler 40:55
is very good.
Misha 40:58
Yeah, and the animation is where this shines. Really? Yeah,
Tyler 41:01
the lighting and contrast may be out of all the things is, is is quite brilliant. Like just very, very well done. But also, for anyone who's like, taking photographs, like in an amateur want to be better than amateur level. Black and White does cover up a lot of your blushes. Like if you like because the contrast is higher. It makes it shitty pictures look instantly better. So maybe there's like, maybe there's some things that we didn't notice. They were not as great as they could have been because we were so focused so focused on the the beautiful contrast of light and dark but hey, I thought it looked good.
Misha 41:38
But it's effective and works for this movie. Yeah, like out of place. Yeah.
Tyler 41:44
I don't think it should be like a 10. But I think it's a pretty high. Yeah,
Misha 41:48
I do too. I think it should be maybe an eight because some of it is just like, like we said, a lot of the characters are just unpleasing to look at. Yeah. And it's like it's kind of cool to look at. Yeah, yeah,
Tyler 42:00
more like the weird what her name is weird girl. Not though weird girl. Weird girl's eyes are a bit in her cat two is quite unsettling to look at the sort of dead Ewok stare. Yeah, eight sounds good to me. I think for a lot of people who might visit this movie or revisit this movie. It might not be the animation for them. Especially if you're, if you're used to a
Misha 42:23
particular style. It's like very heavily styled. So if you don't like this style of animation, you're not gonna like it.
Tyler 42:30
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I think yeah, for us. It
Misha 42:34
sounds like it. I like creepy stuff. I love Edward Gorey, who's like, you know, yeah, predates Tim Burton, so I like it. I like that spooky weirdness. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Oh, music and sound. Danny Elfman movie, what? Well, you've seen that before and it works.
Tyler 43:00
Yeah, he's very good at his job. Like he's a composer. He's like, he's just very good. You could make the argument that the Newman's of Pixar movies are good. He's good at making music that bleeds into the background, but it accentuates every scene that it's in. It goes from whimsical, it goes to scary. Yeah, if it's every part. Yeah. I thought it was excellent. Absolutely.
Misha 43:29
I did have one problem. And I wonder if you had the same one. The
Tyler 43:33
end credit song. Yes.
Misha 43:36
I have a set ID. I thought it was okay. It's better than some of the other weird and credit songs that we've heard. Just sort of shoehorned in.
Tyler 43:48
Yeah, so it's do so apparently there was a whole soundtrack of songs inspired by Frankenweenie that didn't make it into the movie and this was like why did make it like that?
Misha 44:02
Yeah, it's so outdated now. Yeah, because it wasn't just like, so it's by Karen Oh, who is the lead singer for the Yeah, yeah. yeahs. And the style in which she sings in this song. I felt like it was very representative of what was super popular at the time. So like Regina Spektor was really hot right around that time and like, all these very similar styled songs. And so it felt out to that that it those songs like some of that music isn't good now, but it just felt like they were like, oh, what's hot right now? Let's put this one song in. Alright, yeah, that it makes it worse. But yeah, I doesn't hold up. Yeah,
Tyler 44:53
I love Karen. Oh, and I thought I just didn't think the song fit like I read. I read her reasoning like why she did it the way she did it. And I get why she did. She's She was trying to harken back to like 40s music in those monster movies, which was often like Calypso and strange things like that. So she's got this club so
Misha 45:15
she was also include any of it in the rest of the movie. So it was off. That's why it feels off. And I think it could have worked if they had introduced little bits of that style of music throughout the movie somehow.
Tyler 45:30
Yeah, but which I don't think would have worked in the movie. Right? Also, she like when I read this, I was like, oh, okay, that makes sense. She She was clearly making an homage to Beetlejuice and the Harry Belafonte music from the Yep. The What's it the banana?
Misha 45:49
Not the jumping line. Yeah, exactly. By the time I believe you,
Tyler 45:53
so I read that I was like, oh, cool, but that doesn't.
Misha 45:57
That's on your day. I
Tyler 45:58
was. I was gonna say banana boat, but that's uh, that's offensive because they use it for fucking banana boat commercial and it's not it's about slavery. So anyway. But yeah, I love Karen. Oh, her but I totally agree with that thing. Like that's what what was what was hot in that moment is like the soundtrack to Juno. Zoey Deschanel is music the the weird, like just like, very low singing with a ukulele behind you type play. Yes. Sweet, but not a lot of power behind that type of music Kim. Yeah, I mean, Karen Oh, is the best. She's great. But yeah, it doesn't. I didn't quite like it in this. It just doesn't fit. Yeah, but in the so we have from best to worst of these, like, post movie credit songs. I would say maybe the best one so far is the bobby Darren cover beyond the sea maybe which was Robbie Williams. Yeah. Worst. Oh, okay. So so she's in the middle somewhere because we've got a lot of bad ones. You have the collision? Cars, the cars to collision of worlds one. Yeah. We have Randy Newman song at the end of Bug's Life like once a bug. Always a bug. eat bugs. I love that. So, like, time of your life. Eat up. Yeah, that's what wherever it goes, either. Yeah, so she's somewhere in the middle. We don't need to pick the bad.
Misha 47:25
Yeah, she's not right. She's not the worst. And she's like, she's good as
Tyler 47:33
yes to Yes.
Misha 47:34
Other socks.
47:37
Like, out of context.
Misha 47:39
It's she's good. Oh,
Tyler 47:41
and then there are some other ones that like, oh, man, there's some really weird it was like the end of Atlantis. There was some weird one that was like, I didn't remember who's I
Misha 47:51
don't think anything gets. Like, is this bad out of context as it Brother Bear? Yeah, I'm
Tyler 47:59
just talking about any credits.
Misha 48:01
Yeah, I know. But like, music to have it. Yeah, yeah. First Movie, did that have a weird one?
Tyler 48:13
It probably did. I don't remember there been a lot of there. But this is this is becoming a bad motif. For sure. Yeah. So it,
Misha 48:24
I do want to talk about some of the sound effects in this movie that was really fun and really strong. So when Victor Frankenstein is reanimating Sparky, and his lab, there's like, all the like, clickety, clickety, clickety clackety jiggle Django going on. It's so good and so much fun. And I really liked all extra sound effects.
Tyler 48:48
A lot of great sound effects, for sure. Yeah. All the little, like, some of the voice acting was great. Some of it was like they got through, they got one person to do three or four different voices. And it was like very few people, a few people but like the kid who did Igor, like, I want to. I mean, he's probably not a kid anymore. But like props to that kid. He he played the skis punchbag really well.
Misha 49:16
Yeah, so All right, so what do you think in? I think it's pretty high up there. Yeah,
Tyler 49:23
I think score and sound effects. Solid,
Misha 49:27
solid eight. And
Tyler 49:31
then maybe the end song brings it down to seven.
Misha 49:35
Yeah. I feel bad. I
Tyler 49:38
agree. I feel bad. But yeah, cuz it's Danny Elfman blanco, blanco.
Misha 49:42
I know he's not losing the point. So he's not losing movie.
Tyler 49:46
And I feel like Cara knows losing the point. Anyway, whatever. That's happens. It
Misha 49:50
was the it's the production teams choice of including song that does. Yeah,
Tyler 50:00
All right. All right. Well, next up, protagonist protagonist. Victor is not the worst part of the movie. He's
Misha 50:09
the best part of the movie. He's fine. He's flat.
Tyler 50:13
He's pretty flat. Yeah,
Misha 50:15
he like they do sympathize with protagonist is just the straight man. Yeah. And like boring. And then you have the other characters sort of holding up everything. Yeah. Like it seemed that
Tyler 50:31
we talked about this before. Yeah, like in many cases like the supporting the side kicks get more to do here. oh
Misha 50:36
six. Yeah, same thing. Aladdin. Aladdin. Yeah. Yeah. So Aladdin had a little bit of extra charm. Sure,
Tyler 50:49
yeah. I'm just saying that like this like the side kicks had more Yeah, Aladdin was a little bit yeah. Yeah. Aladdin at least yeah has like an arc Victor doesn't quite have an arc. Like he loses his dog.
Misha 51:02
He's gonna like, go back. Social is dark back.
Tyler 51:05
Yeah, brings his dog back has social problems again. It all comes to a head because like other monster monsters, but then it goes back to like the way it was. He's got his dog back, probably on social norms. Maybe has a new friend and Elsa Van Helsing. Inexplicably voiced by a full adult Winona. I mean, timbre and I know it just really didn't make sense when like Victor's clearly kids voice and then else's like, clearly like a 40 year olds voice. It's like, why? I mean, to be fair, Martin shorten and Catherine O'Hara did a bunch of the kids voices too, but they at least like sounded like a little bit of a false flat. I don't know. Like, think of 505
Misha 51:50
Okay. He's not bad. I think it's just the Okay, aside, okay. He's sympathetic.
Tyler 51:57
And he is like a clever kid, kind of like the kid and in Big Hero Six, whose name escapes me now he's like, you know, he's a brainy kid. And that's cool. Yeah, science is fun. Yeah. Sidekick. It's Sparky. Right. Sparky is the sidekick? I would say,
Misha 52:13
I guess. I don't think
Tyler 52:15
- I mean, the movies named after him, but he is kind of the stories about Victor and then like, his dog. So I would say that the dog is a sidekick, right? It sounds like a classic sidekick where there's like shenanigans in there. But
Misha 52:29
if well then okay, if we're definitively saying that Sparky is the sidekick, I like Sparky.
Tyler 52:35
Sparky is really cute and great and lovable. And you feel really?
Misha 52:39
I wouldn't touch him, of course when he was brought back. But I like him. And he showed a lot of motion for you know, which is great.
Tyler 52:51
He's a little Yeah, just again, like the look of him is kind of gross, like the weird face. But that's an animation choice. Because bull terriers are kind of gross looking to right. Yeah, he's he's the most lovable character. He's the one that we're rooting for. Like to just be able to die
Misha 53:10
in peace
Tyler 53:12
Chase Chase bones in heaven forever. Or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. But like, How high do you want to go with him? I mean, he's early.
Misha 53:21
Like, I think he's on the good side of okay.
Tyler 53:25
So I guess six?
Misha 53:26
Maybe a six or seven? I don't know. I think is six is enough. Six sounds safe to me. Yeah, six. Seven is a little too dangerous.
Tyler 53:41
Too dangerous. I can't be too dangerous. today. I just can't. Alright, so villain would be Igor.
Misha 53:52
Are all the kids? All the kids? Because they're all of them? Like, with the exception of Allison. Do the seek right. The rest of the kids are trying to steal the secret of bringing something back from the dead. Yeah, they create the monsters. Yeah. All the kids.
Tyler 54:09
I think if that's the case, Igor is a good slimy little villain. I think he's great. He's a slime ball. He's got a little bit of like,
Misha 54:18
just okay, though. Yeah, they're
Tyler 54:20
all supporting. They might even be henchmen. Maybe. Potentially. They Igor is the slimy
Misha 54:25
No, Machiavelli kind of equal. I
Tyler 54:29
mean, they're building up. They're building up the rivalry with the science fair. They're building up. Toshiaki to be like a rival because he's good at sports
Misha 54:40
with anger as the
Tyler 54:42
villain. Because he's the he's the antagonist. Yeah. Because he's
Misha 54:46
the one that has the information. Yeah. Yeah, Toshiaki
Tyler 54:49
is like the the rival because of baseball, but that's not explored at all he'd be and then he becomes the science rival. Again very, like sort of not explained at all. But now and He becomes they make him into sort of a scheming nasty kid. But that only happens after that Igor incites them
Misha 55:06
in German. Because henchmen help the villain, right? They're the henchmen to the villain. Yeah, you're right. It doesn't really make sense. Okay, then they all be working together.
Tyler 55:17
No, you're right. You're right, sir.
Misha 55:17
All villains.
Tyler 55:19
They're all villains. They're not they're not working for the villain anymore. I would say they're no henchmen. Yeah, in that case, henchmans a one score. And then like, I think all those other kids aren't bringing much to the table. But Igor, I think is a pretty good villain. Yeah. I mean, he's not like amazing, is
Misha 55:35
he's all right. He's a psychopath. And that's a pretty good trait for a villain. Yeah,
Tyler 55:40
you you want to you want to like him? I mean, you want to like him? Because he looks like he's in the gorillas
Misha 55:46
don't want to like him. Goofy, hilarious
Tyler 55:49
cartoon
Misha 55:52
or anything. You're right before he did anything. I wanted to like him but then I immediately hit Yeah, cuz
Tyler 55:57
he turns into but when he first shows up asking to be have a friend, the partner on the science fair. I was like, I was rooting for the kid. And then of course, then he immediately take makes a heel turn. So yeah, I think. I mean, I do like to like him. I
Misha 56:12
think he's like, I think he's better than Sparky. Yeah, I
Tyler 56:15
was gonna say like a seven. Like, he's not amazing, but he's like better. Yeah. We are insane. Crazy, like Joey Fatone and? And Justin to the other ones, and the one with the dreads that's white, and that's not okay. Yeah. Okay. So one for henchmen strong female lead. Yep.
Misha 56:35
Big one, one.
Tyler 56:39
bipoc representation size for trail.
Misha 56:41
One, one. And we've danced
Tyler 56:45
around it, but let's get into it.
Misha 56:47
Let's Yeah, before we get to fun factor I wanted to get into doesn't sit right. Tied in right at the presentation. Yeah. Okay.
Tyler 56:55
It's tied up and twisted the way I like to be.
Misha 56:58
So we've been talking about this character. We've been talking about this character, Toshiaki, who's supposed to be a recent immigrant from Japan. Correct. You read
Tyler 57:11
that? According to the interview you sent me that the voice said yeah, sorry,
Misha 57:16
right. I didn't finish watching the invoice because I was losing my fucking mind.
Tyler 57:21
I thought he was going. I don't know where I thought it was going. But I didn't. I did not expect him to go hard in the paint supporting the character,
Misha 57:28
right? Neither did I. So at first I was like, Oh, God, he's okay. Yes. Let's get back to the beginning. Yeah, what is going on? Okay, so there's this character, Toshiaki, who's supposed to be an immigrant from Japan. So I looked up. Oh, okay. Maybe we have, you know, a Japanese actor. But I was like, Why does the voice sound so weird? This is obviously not a Japanese person. Well, he's half Japanese, obviously. Yeah. But he was born in New York, and has the fucking strongest New York accent of anyone like, Hey,
58:05
I'm walking here.
Misha 58:06
I'm doing voice for this movie. Like full? Like, you know, what's that commercial? Where this like weird character is like your phlegm your mucus. Like, hey, I'm your mucous.
58:20
Because yeah, this is this
Misha 58:23
guy. And they're in On what planet? Do you think you should get this guy to play a Japanese character?
Tyler 58:33
Yeah. And so and then the voice
Misha 58:36
a big swinging a miss speaking of baseball,
Tyler 58:39
spring baseball. I feel like there's another little Yeah. Okay. So anyway, the voice he does is like a Mickey Rooney and Breakfast at Tiffany's like, not going to not going to recreate it here. But it's a pretty, it's a swing. It's a big swing for this guy, which maybe he's thinking he can hide behind the fact that he's like half Japanese, ethnically, but I don't know. Like,
Misha 59:05
I would never ever, ever, ever. I don't even have a strong New York accent. Having been raised in New York and currently living in New York. I would never think that it would be acceptable for me to do an Indian accent. And I was born in India, and I wouldn't think that yeah, this will sound real. Clever.
Tyler 59:25
Yeah. I mean, it's it's a weird would sound
Misha 59:29
like I'm making fun of Indian people. It would I'm Yeah, I don't have an Indian accent. And that's what this sounded like.
Tyler 59:35
Yeah. And I feel like you could. There is a world where somebody who's like, half Japanese grows up in Brooklyn has a strong Brooklyn accent wants to take the role too. Pay homage to half of his heritage and like does a decent job. I can see that world existing right, but he's where he's like doing the Mickey Rooney from breakfast. Nails in ours in rake really hitting that hard. Like,
Misha 1:00:06
yeah, it was. So over the top. Okay,
Tyler 1:00:11
so in the video you sent me for those who didn't see the video he there. He's in an interview talking about his character. And he starts by saying something like, Well, when I first got the treatment, and he pauses and I think he's gonna say something like, smart. He just goes hard. Like, oh, I knew exactly I might. As soon as I read it, my back started hunching, my fingers started curling, and I started thinking in my head, like, so this Japanese kid who's just happens to be good at baseball is like, and is trying to do well in school and be competitive in science to just like, the main character, by the way, whoever shits on for not wanting, you know, like, Yeah, whenever he, why is he the cartoonish villain because he's an immigrant. It's like, I mean, obviously, I don't it was, it's just, it's not the movie being. It's like, it's just really clumsy. I don't think it's, it's not like they set out to be like, let's make a cartoonish Japanese character like they did in breakfast activities that I keep mentioning, but like, they just, they really stumbled and they did. They did they stuck to
Misha 1:01:16
the product is they did yeah, it stinks. STX
Tyler 1:01:20
there's an accent for you.
Misha 1:01:25
That's Igor.
Tyler 1:01:26
That was Igor. Yeah, it's not a pretty picture. I don't like doing it. crash it crash into me. Let's move on. One
Misha 1:01:38
cycle I did a whole thing.
Tyler 1:01:43
Tied to me tight timing. Again. It doesn't. Who's something I don't remember all the details.
Misha 1:01:48
Okay, stop. It doesn't live. It doesn't live in my like, logical i can just retrieve it when I want. So Steve was saying crash he said crash into me or something. And it just came from the like, the deep hidden, like, part of my being and just I opened my mouth and God came out as this. Like whole Dave Matthews Band thing. Yeah, it was perfect and amazing though. Now I can't do it. Yeah, the
Tyler 1:02:16
HIPAA the HIPAA Hong Kong one that he's the is ants marching. That's the one that he really goes. punky honkin? That's what he was like he wakes
1:02:25
up in the horror
Tyler 1:02:30
that's answers don't question me that's ants marching.
Misha 1:02:32
No. Oh my God, who cares? Anyway?
Tyler 1:02:39
Okay, so doesn't sit right we
Misha 1:02:43
It doesn't sit right for a few reasons. The biggest
Tyler 1:02:47
for that and the trauma of the dog being like randomized and doesn't want to be clearly.
Misha 1:02:51
Yeah, like I cut you off. So gross. Some of it was I was like, grossed out like what
Tyler 1:03:01
other than like the the close ups of the poop that that girl clearly the cat okay, that she she shaped
Misha 1:03:09
in those? Yeah,
Tyler 1:03:10
right and Stimpy ship but it's clearly
Misha 1:03:12
not the Stimpy
Tyler 1:03:16
what I was gonna say it's like I think the grossness is fine like when I need to? Dog is like gross. Like eats the fly and the flies are flying around. Yeah,
Misha 1:03:24
that's fine. Okay, so just the two things the dog just let the dog Be at peace please. so awful. Yeah. And then that whole thing racism.
Tyler 1:03:36
And what do we think like minus five or more than that?
Misha 1:03:40
Um, I think more Alright, okay, let's see. What did we do for like, there was a bolt Okay, well I got not minus nine for just the dog trauma but it's different. This wasn't as bad yeah, because that was like like that was horrible but oh my god there was so much
Tyler 1:04:02
there and like Aladdin minus four for like pervy like sexual abuse will kind of plus Orientalism and that was a minus four.
Misha 1:04:12
So I think maybe this should get like a minus seven.
Tyler 1:04:15
Okay, minus five by the way was Chicken Little
Misha 1:04:20
for just being the ugliest I think just
Tyler 1:04:22
being really gross. I mean, minus 10 to Christmas carol famously minus 10 also to gumbo for obvious reasons Yes. Minus five to DuckTales for for celebrating capitalism greed and and imperialism and stealing treasure I think minus
Misha 1:04:43
seven because of how fucking racist like that and
Tyler 1:04:47
plus your what's your yeah I mean that because that's worse I think is that's a step way beyond like my problems with a Latin I think so. Yes, yeah. Uh, okay, minus seven assigned to me and then on top of the dog trauma so right. Okay. Back to fun factor. I mean stop motion is fun. It's
Misha 1:05:11
fun and it's always a lot of fun parts like the lab, the animation. There was a lot of fun parts
Tyler 1:05:19
and if any if you're a fan of like, those old monster movies like with Boris, Boris Karloff and those or like even like Young Frankenstein it's like it's a little bit of a love letter to those and it's nice and there's some Easter eggs and things like that. Like the disgusting we forgot to talk about that poodle. Persephone
Misha 1:05:42
was right of Frankenstein hair.
Tyler 1:05:45
Yeah, but also just that the right phrase that I was gonna say that's a nice test that was talking about how just disgusting that hair looked. It looked like pubes, take it out of a shower and then like putting onto a model and then they like stop motion. Actually, the
Misha 1:06:00
Victor Frankenstein's hair always looked kind of wet. It was
Tyler 1:06:03
really Grumpy Bear was gross in this movie.
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How do we should we
Misha 1:06:07
take that down? I think we should take a point off for the hair because they kept showing the back of his they kept Yeah, they kept showing the back hair was gross on everybody's take a point. Let's take a point off for the hair. So it's animation. Okay, can I say something about the cat cat
Tyler 1:06:22
was disgusting. Gross.
Misha 1:06:24
But you know those weird figurines that they used to sell that are like, with maybe real hair? I don't know. But and like glass eyes and they're like that kind of cat. Do you know what I'm talking about? No, no, stop. It's not like a children's choice. Stop shouting for me heavy. You can hear like fancy.
Tyler 1:06:47
My Little Pony. No. Their cats. Briar horses. Stop
Misha 1:06:51
- Okay, hold on. Here we go. I'm gonna send you some things. There's one but there's other ones like, cat figurine in a basket.
Tyler 1:07:06
Oh, these things? Yeah. Gross. Yeah,
Misha 1:07:11
we made of rabbit fur. Yep. Yeah. So you know what I'm talking about? They're like Ewoks
Tyler 1:07:18
basically. Yeah, like soulless. Ewoks.
Misha 1:07:21
Yeah, like, yeah. And they were they were everywhere. They're like an antique stores.
Tyler 1:07:28
Yeah. So we got to take. Yeah, we got a ticket to point down. I think that's a good smarm of the limbs of the cat were really odd to have. Yeah, so animation is going down to a seven from an eight. still relatively high. Fun Factor. I mean, it's part I mean, like the animations fun.
Misha 1:07:48
I think it was on the good side of okay. Yeah,
Tyler 1:07:51
I'm fine with that. It's creepy and it's fun and it's silly, but it's just
Misha 1:07:55
yeah, like the animation carries the Fun, fun elements. It the spookiness is kind of fun. The story is what fucks it up? But I think it's enough
1:08:06
for them.
Tyler 1:08:08
Six feels really high to me, but yeah, six is fine. So yeah, I'm fine with six. Okay, let's
Misha 1:08:14
see what else if we can compare it to anything else. So Atlantis was a four DuckTales was less fun than DuckTales. Yeah. Okay, let's go down to a five then.
Tyler 1:08:27
I think five is safer. Yeah, yeah. I'm feeling really safe today. All right, so I want to take any risks today. Like, I don't know. I said all right. Waffle and you stabbed me through the Vert for the screen with a pitchfork. I
Misha 1:08:42
did. I did and you deserved it. You knew that answer?
Tyler 1:08:47
I knew you wouldn't. I knew I was lining up for Crucifer Barisan as you
Misha 1:08:53
asked for it. You knew it you
Tyler 1:08:56
You asked for it by asking me and then I asked for it by answering and falling into your trap. It wasn't a trust your thought and yet inevitable betrayal asked
Misha 1:09:05
like search for revealed traps or something come on.
Tyler 1:09:09
That's a perception check but sure.
Misha 1:09:12
Yeah, role for perceive trap.
Tyler 1:09:15
I didn't wrong I just I use my password perception which is clearly low.
Misha 1:09:19
Yeah, it is. Jesus. Okay. What are we talking? I'm making friends to know I'm not making French toast for dinner.
Tyler 1:09:31
There is a divination so fine traps by the way, but I never because Steve does that. Yeah, but he's a druid so you're you as a ranger. You would have access to it as well. But yeah,
Misha 1:09:41
well, fuck you. I was right. Okay.
Tyler 1:09:47
messy way effervescence,
Misha 1:09:50
neighbor.
Tyler 1:09:53
Zero.
Misha 1:09:54
Yeah.
Tyler 1:09:56
Center falls.
Misha 1:10:04
All right
Misha 1:10:10
all right. Do you want to know what this movie gets or not turning red over there?
1:10:17
Oh, yeah, ready
Misha 1:10:23
all right. That's gonna be low weenie gets a 36 So it's just beats DuckTales which is too bad because it's fucking awesome. I don't know who's more solo shot by shot away. Rooney Okay, and it also just beats cars three. Yeah, okay, got that I understand. It just beats Atlantis The last Empire Wow. And it didn't beat dinosaur which is also surprising
1:11:04
okay are
1:11:11
we doing what is this? What if we prayed to it
Tyler 1:11:23
so bad How did dinosaur How the fuck it's all like dinosaur was all like boring middle of the road and that was that will get you Wow great 3436 38 Those are out of 110 Those are not good scores. Like still. It's a sliding scale.
Misha 1:11:44
If you were if I would if you were to ask me watch Frankenweenie or dinosaur I'm going to tell you to watch friggin weighty do not watch a dinosaur. Yeah, I
Tyler 1:11:52
would say the same thing. Oh, boy. And then I would say I would say watch Atlantis before those I would say watched I
Misha 1:11:58
would say definitely watch DuckTales Okay, not even compared to anything else. Just go watch. DuckTales treasure the DuckTales the movie treasure of the last layer. It is good parts of it. I mean, in my opinion. Yeah.
Tyler 1:12:10
I mean, it's fun. Yeah. Am I
Misha 1:12:12
like, like erasing my memory? Memory and just I mean,
Tyler 1:12:17
yeah, we had probably had some considerable problems with it. But yeah, it's still fun movie like,
Misha 1:12:21
Yeah, I mean, we only gave it a six for fun. One movie. Thanks. Yeah,
Tyler 1:12:31
I don't remember that. But we had
Misha 1:12:33
some promising system. DuckTales got only one point more in the fun factor category than this movie. Yeah, we wonder are we doing what have we done? Should Frankenweenie go down to I? I mean, like incanto gotta for this is. This is not as fun
Tyler 1:13:01
to like, low fun score. Because for most of it, it's it's sad and not fun. I think this should go down. Yeah, I think we should bring Atlantis
Misha 1:13:10
was also a four. So I think this should go down to a four. So this is a 35 which you know, doesn't really change anything about our hole.
Tyler 1:13:21
Down we just had but still like it feels a little better. Boy. Well, frozen is next. So maybe I'm anticipating some arguments between the two of us but who knows? Maybe not because we've we've
Tyler 1:13:44
oral
Tyler 1:13:50
trying to think of it another creepy lyric to.
Misha 1:13:55
I've had enough. Okay.
Tyler 1:13:58
Thanks. So thank you everybody for listening. And hopefully it was enjoyable. We certainly had a good time. And did we always do? We always do but yeah, this one was this was a particularly particularly fun one. Thanks for listening.
Misha 1:14:13
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Tyler 1:14:20
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bye