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Tyler 00:00
content warning although this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and may contain content some people find offensive.
Misha 00:27
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing, a podcast where we discuss and write animated Disney films going in alphabetical order following a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. Hi, Tyler. Hi, Misha. What are we talking about today? Oh, boy, we're talking about Fantasia 2000. Released in 1999,
Tyler 00:51
released in 1989.
Misha 00:54
So at least December of 1999. The world was weird back then. Everyone
Tyler 00:58
was like, like,
Misha 00:59
so excited about y2k. Who's so excited
Tyler 01:03
about y2k Like column things. 2001 It wasn't 2000 I don't understand it. Looking back. It's all strange and weird. I live in a simpler time.
Misha 01:13
Who chose to go to Times Square that New Year's and fucking idiot and I'm correct. She's
Tyler 01:23
I mean, but yeah, shout out to whoever you are, idiot.
Misha 01:26
You know who you are. Know who you are. I don't think I've talked to her since.
Tyler 01:33
I mean, she might someday she might listen to this podcast, and then she's gonna know. Whoa, that was a dumb move. Anyway, let's, let's, let's get into this. So, Fantasia 2000 is the long awaited sequel to Fantasia as we talked about last week for those that were who listen to that episode. Welcome back. Fantasia is really supposed to be like it was supposed to be like a musical cinematic spectacle that was put on every few years like every five to 10 years with like a rotating cast have some returning bits and some new bits almost like a weird sort of futuristic classical music variety show in a weird way. Disney had this idea. It didn't work. But six years later, his son was Roy Disney his son or his grandson, Santa's nephew.
Misha 02:25
Nephew said it was his nephew. Could be
Tyler 02:29
I would believe that. He was in charge into in 1999. And he put on this new one
02:35
with Oh
Misha 02:36
yeah, nephew. Yeah. So there's Royo who's the brother and then Roy Yi. Who's the son of royaux?
Tyler 02:47
Yeah, this is Roy E. Royi. That's the person in charge in 1999 I think Yeah.
Misha 02:53
Royi.
Tyler 02:56
So yeah, so Anyway, welcome everybody to the show to the podcast to the auditory experience where we check in on Disney see how it's doing. See how that
Misha 03:09
in alphabetical order as so as you said, how they are doing, how they were doing and how they will have done it future perfect they will have done sometimes maybe in future past participle
Tyler 03:26
Back to the Future. So we look at originality story animation, music and sound protagonist sidekick and fill in henchman strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor most of these things one
Misha 03:44
could listen to last week listen to last week you know is a perfect and stuff and it will be today Yeah,
Tyler 03:50
nothing is wrong with this system. And we have minus points give it like minus points if something doesn't sit right like some, you know problematic scenes or racism stuff like that and effervescence for that special Disney magic for example. The original Fantasia we gave it a 10 out of 10 for effervescence. While our spoiler if you didn't listen to I mean, who would listen to this one and not listen to the other one? It has some
Misha 04:15
fucking weird y2k Moron
Tyler 04:22
when I thought fit tissue 2000 was like a weird like matrix like, hey 10 hentai
04:27
fanfic.
Misha 04:30
I was, you know, doing a bit of research for this. Oh, it was like, not much. Okay. Well, we'll tell you. I don't think I ever actually clicked on a link. It was just in the search results. That's the extent of my research for today because I didn't want to know more fair. I did quite a bit of research last week because I was genuinely interested today. I'd rather go far on the toilet and not even drop. Okay, cut that out.
Misha 05:04
Oh my God I've ever said
05:11
Oh god, I love it. Love it.
Misha 05:17
You can keep it in. Okay. So, there was an article that popped up in one of the answers as someone who was like this in every way was better than the original Fantasia and boy howdy. I was not happy reading that I was like this person went to Times Square for y2k, didn't they?
Tyler 05:39
So that's it needlessly make a call back to what you just said. But that's a shit take. Thanks, Fantasia. 2000 is better. Well, I don't know. Let's get into it. A lot of people don't like Fantasia. I love it. Obviously the parts that revisiting it I didn't like as much like some of the scenes that I didn't realize were as you know, cringy or whatever as racist or the fucking gross Doughboy centers that have no features. Them
Misha 06:12
you say that? But you know what? every body is different. Don't Tyler come on like still charming and attractive. They have like
Tyler 06:26
they have barely a face. There's if
Misha 06:30
we want to talk about barely faces let's talk about we'll get into it with pines have no Rhapsody and blues children. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like I can't. I mean,
Tyler 06:42
you spend all that time like the central. Just the mail. Just the Masson tours. Especially because they were supposed to originally. Do you hate in there? They were originally supposed to look like some fucking like, Jason Momoa beautiful.
Misha 07:00
I was I wasn't gonna see Jason Momoa but I was gonna say Dwayne The Rock Johnson, Dwayne.
Tyler 07:05
They're gonna be like, I don't know, like, more interesting. Or like, muscular and cool.
Misha 07:13
Whoa, you know what? Tyler? Not every center okay. That's upset tours. Like to eat a little bit. Okay, you're right. Well, this not even
Tyler 07:27
the reason I don't like it isn't because like they're it's not their body type. The reason
Misha 07:31
why I have pecs they don't have anything. You're right. So
Tyler 07:36
as I said last episode, they committed it to death. Like they're like, No, we can't make it look like it because it's, it's too sexy. We can't make it look as good as too intimidating. So eventually they get this like, bland low. Definition this they've no definite and you're right. Next, I want some sweet traps on some delta. I want some love,
Misha 07:57
don't we? I gotta go. I'll be right back. Okay.
Tyler 08:02
Okay, so, yeah. So last episode, we
Misha 08:08
share. Let me share my screen real quick. Oh, yeah. One second. Yeah. Okay, look at this bozo all the way to the right. Look at all the bozos, especially the
Tyler 08:19
old bozos. I mean, oh, the one in the middle of the green hair. Yeah, this bozo.
Misha 08:23
I gotta say this is getting posted to our social media. Because I Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 08:32
There's Yeah, that's what I was talking about. That's what I was trying to explicate last week and I just didn't do a good job. What a shame because because I think the ladies look good. They're also they were like the same. They were toned down as well. But they like have. I also think like the horse part of the men is worse than the center rats to. Okay, so last week for you know, for those that listened last week. Fantasia didn't do well in a lot of categories. Because, you know, there's no villain. There's no sidekick, there's no protagonist. You can argue with us if you want the Chernabog is a villain or that the sidekick is Mickey because Mickey's The Apprentice of the source of whatever, but we were like now this movie has no story. Spoiler alert. Neither does is gonna be pretty sure yeah. I mean, this is this is not made to be a narrative arc this is little vignettes that are to showcase the music mixed with the animation which is what made the original so groundbreaking and different and unliked by so many people because a lot of people say it's boring because those people are talking idiots. So let's last week we I feel like we should we should mix things around a little bit. How what do you say to like, getting those categories that we know are going to be like, way out of the way so we can focus on like the meat of stuff. So So for example, originality, I mean, that's first up usually but this one It's going to be pretty low because it's, it's a sequel. And, and in fact, some of it is reused.
Misha 10:07
So, yes, so, Sorcerer's Apprentice. They just cut control copy control paste.
Tyler 10:15
Oh, they also like enhanced a little bit but
Misha 10:18
different different music, different orchestra, same song different different
Tyler 10:23
orchestras are a little bit different and then like they remastered the, the, the colors a little bit shinier and the color was a little bit different. Yeah,
Misha 10:31
but for the
Tyler 10:32
most part, it was like pretty much the same. I mean, do we think this is a wonder do we give it like a two because like the the originality of the other things they put in there? Or? how low do we think that should be?
Misha 10:44
Yeah, I think it should be a two or three because there were some original elements to it. It wasn't just there were some original things. Okay, maybe a two is.
Tyler 10:58
I think two sounds good. Yeah, Fantasia
Misha 11:00
two for originality. 1002 for
Tyler 11:05
originally 1000. Yeah.
Misha 11:07
Okay, so happy to to to to Oh, yeah,
Tyler 11:10
we're recording this on to 222 Groundhog Day. So, to do so, for that we're doing a sequel. Okay to for originality, let's skip story and animation and music and sound for now and move to
Misha 11:26
wait, why not story?
11:28
Oh, yeah,
Tyler 11:29
that's because thought maybe you wanted to do Yeah, I mean, it's a one right now. Like no, it's a one stories if I can one. So for like the little things that go on, like what we did last week, though,
Misha 11:41
these ones all have more of a story? Yeah. To them. So
Tyler 11:48
we did your story much like I almost did last week before reminding me we did skip your beginning summary. But do you want to do a little summary when we get to them for animation? Yeah, let's do that. Cool. Yeah, cuz it's one story. There's no There's no story to this movie, but each one has a little bit of a story. So animation music and sound will save protagonist one. Yep. Some people might be wondering well for the different vignettes there is a protagonist but hey, can counts. And like you can lick a Likud nematode sidekick. Well, you just legged you have to kill it to the ligat they might not want to be licked. What's a nematode? Again? I don't remember. It's fine.
Misha 12:29
A nematode is a microscopic nobody's gonna look at nematode well, maybe they didn't they don't look at me. metode you've got to you've got a big problem. Are they? Your body? No, they're there. I feel like I should just look it up just in case because I know what they are. But yeah, okay, the roundworms I was gonna say they're worms but then I was like are they technically worms?
Tyler 12:50
Oh man I thought they're like Battletoads not
Misha 12:54
at all they're worms so frickin worms that get in your body so if you you they are gastro they get into Yeah, they get in your insides fuck you up. Oh, they get into your sink pipes. I'm not just your stink pipes, but the first part before the stink pipes to Oh,
13:08
the breathe pipes. No, no, that's a different system.
Tyler 13:12
Oh, the Trump pipes.
Misha 13:15
It doesn't go into your lungs and then into your butt.
Tyler 13:17
So nomnom pipes. Yeah, there you go. So it's a good one. Oh, no. Villain. Again, there's like a there is a villainous character this jack of the box and one of them but like, overall the whole movie? No, it's a one I think right? henchmen? Same. Alright, one strong female lead.
13:35
No one one. Yeah.
Tyler 13:38
bipoc representation slash portrayal. This
Misha 13:40
actually a little bit. Let's save this. Let's Okay, let's do unless you want to? Well.
Tyler 13:48
We can we can mix things up. Sometimes. We can keep it loosen and tight. Keep it around, keep it whatever,
Misha 13:53
loose and tight. Okay, so what differentiates Fantasia 2000 from Fantasia is that they invited celebrity hosts to introduce the different segments. So we've got Steve Martin. Whoa, that was a surprise. Followed by that meddler. Am I missing somebody? Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones. I just have Quincy. I can't
Tyler 14:24
remember actually flashes a Quincy. I can't remember the order now. It's Steve Martin. Yeah, Quincy Jones has Rhapsody in Blue, which is out. Yeah. So
Misha 14:33
so it goes Steve Martin. Then Quincy Jones. Yep. Then Ben Midler then James Earl Jones, then James Earl Jones. You can blacks and have the name Jones? Yeah. A lot of people. We're in
Tyler 14:49
baby steps for Disney. We want a black person but do we know anyone named Jones? Yeah.
Misha 14:57
I'm Joseph Jones. Okay, then we've got Penn and Teller. Cemetery surprising to me.
Tyler 15:05
Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. Yeah. I mean, I saw this. I saw it a long time ago, but I totally forgot they were in it. Yeah. Yep. Then I don't. Then we have the director James Lavon. The conductor. Sorry, not the director. Yeah, Mickey. And then
Misha 15:19
we finish off with the queen of queens. And she lands very. Yeah. Anyway. So if we were to think about who the hosts are,
Tyler 15:34
there's a little bit points. Jones. I think also, I mind to pay attention. But it was hard because there weren't as many shots of the orchestra but I'm pretty sure the orchestra was more diverse. I don't know if that counts, but
Misha 15:47
like, it was, they didn't really show.
Tyler 15:50
The first one, but it's all white is weird. This,
Misha 15:53
but then in this one, it was just like all the celebrity and weird graphics. They did very add to this 2000 Cool 2000 movie.
Tyler 16:06
Another thing? I don't know if it's, um, I mean, maybe you were planning on getting into an animation, but I guess I mean, it counts for this categories. One of the main characters in one of them was an African American.
Misha 16:19
Duke. You don't know that they were African? That's true. Yeah, I guess. But
Tyler 16:26
black American, let's say named Duke. In the in the red and blue. I
Misha 16:31
think the part No, well, okay. I was like, we don't know that they were American. They might have just not been American working in America. It's New York City.
Tyler 16:39
That's true. His name is Duke. That's clear. Like from the all the liner notes and all that bullshit. He's named after Duke Ellington. And it's New York City. You're right that maybe it's a maybe it's a recent immigrant or something. But there is some there's a person of color is what I'm trying to get to. There is a black person, black person working in the city, who is a prominent character in that. Yes, vignette. Yeah. Is that saying is that are the
Misha 17:05
white who are currently here working with identify as American? You're very right. Yeah, I
Tyler 17:10
miss I just I hope that's all spoke to what
Misha 17:13
if he had a British accent or Caribbean and identified as Caribbean or someone, you know, black from somewhere else?
17:19
Yeah.
Tyler 17:20
I'm guessing. I guess my my thinking was, well, a not just sort of falling into the trap of the cliche of what they're portraying as like, Jazz Age in New York City. Yeah, probably what that person was, but yeah, that's not that's not fair. I overgeneralize. But anyway, there is a there is a black person, there's a person of color as a prominent character. Yep. So I feel like it shouldn't get a one. No. A couple of famous people of color to forbid parts that they probably got paid a lot of money for. So I don't know.
Misha 17:53
Too many black men,
17:55
only black men, you know.
Tyler 17:58
And not really like characters. They're just announcers. But, but getting different people to do. It was much smarter than then more good. Oh, yeah. Seems Taylor anything. Yeah.
Misha 18:09
Um, I would go as high as three.
Tyler 18:14
I think that's too high.
Misha 18:15
Okay, too. It is that I was trying.
Tyler 18:18
I think I understand that. But I think
Misha 18:22
their contribution to the movie, that's all.
Tyler 18:27
I'm not trying to, it's just the small.
Misha 18:30
I know it is.
Tyler 18:31
I mean, right. Okay, so what else has gotten a three a three has been like Atlanta's Lost Empire. I don't think it's as much as that movie had your voice acting and you're absolutely
Misha 18:41
correct. It's a two. All right. Okay,
Tyler 18:45
so we can see maybe you want to do fun factor. Now. Do you want to save that? Now? Let's save that for fun factor. Makes sense to save it? Yeah. Let's come back to animation. So all right, maybe let's Yeah, let's go to your your, your classic tried and true summary. Perhaps if you wish. Sure. So because I feel like a lot of people have not seen this and yeah,
Misha 19:06
I didn't see it. I did not watch it or haven't seen it before we did for this so. Um, yeah. Steve was not interested in watching this. Really? Not at all. I don't think so. Last night. i Oh, maybe he was and I just wasn't. That's what it was. So I put it off till today. Fair enough. If I want to watch the movie, I'll watch it the night before. Because it feels like a fun evening thing to do. If I'm not interested in watching movie, I will procrastinate until before we record the day of
Tyler 19:43
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I usually like to wait until the day of if I have time because it's just it feels more fresh. Yeah, mind and I always scared I'm gonna forget stuff even if I take notes. But often I watch it the night before because I just like don't have time today. If you
Misha 19:58
are a night owl and I'm not I I
Tyler 20:00
am a very big night owl. I'm the eldest of the night. Or the other way around the night Estelle. Oh no, that sounds like a cool like character like, No, you had to become something else the night just like moon
Misha 20:13
night sounds like a lame thing they're gonna introduce at some point in our future with all these superhero movies and it's gonna be done. Okay, that's very possible. It's gonna be a person who was big dump goggles. That
Tyler 20:25
fucking exists. I'm sure that exists. That's like that dude from watchmen looks like a fucking owl. I forget his name here. Yeah. Okay, anyway, so this one they they follow a similar like early fan earlier Fantasia model where they start with like this abstract one and then they go to like other vignettes and then they end with like, a big fucking banger. No spoilers yet, but But yeah. Do you want to join to just run through what they are? This one doesn't like, probably more so it yeah, we're probably not agreed with where the delineations are. Yeah. So there's an abstract one based on Symphony Number Five by Ludwig Ludwig von Beethoven. Beethoven. There is pines of Rome, or like most of it by author routine of recipe, which is the whale one. There's Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin, which is like New York City seven the Jazz Age. Shostakovich Piano Concerto Number something to think, too. And that's the one that's like the tin man or the tin soldier from Hans Christian Andersen fighting evil Jack in the Box for the love of a dancing. What are they called? Like? Music Box Music Box ballerina type person. Then there's a very short carnival of the animals are the yo yoing Flamingo which is like less than two minutes long, I think. And it's so funny that they introduced that one with James Earl Jones introduces that with this gravitas and then it's like the stupid as fuck and one. Actually kind of enjoyed that. Uh huh. Then there's Why am I doing this? You're gonna do this.
Misha 22:08
Just fucking steamrolled me you deck anyway, finish up. Then
Tyler 22:13
there's Sorcerer's Apprentice. Then there's fucking Noah's ark with AI Donald Duck and Daisy Duck with pomp and circumstance. One of the most infuriatingly annoying sounds I think I've ever heard. Uh huh.
Misha 22:30
Oh, my notes for that whole thing. I didn't write a lot of notes for this movie. Like I did last for last time. Bear. This one was just Noah's Ark. Question mark. Exclamation point. WTF? Don't like this song.
Tyler 22:48
Yeah, yeah. I'll say my I mean, yes, agreed, basically, but, but yeah, well, I'll save it when we get to that. And then finally, it ends with a I'm in my opinion, at least an amazing one. Firebird sweet by Stravinsky, with with a interesting like, sort of Dryad type creature or being like going through like the changes of nature and stuff like that. And Firebird sweet was one of the ones they originally wanted to put in the original Fantasia we talked about, but they switched, which they did. Which I'm glad they did. I love Firebird sweet too. But yeah, the spring really fits better for that. I think they couldn't find what I think the thing was like with Firebird sweet Disney wanted it but couldn't find the right match for it
Misha 23:32
right of springs. And then more dramatic, and I appreciate that for what we were watching in the original Fantasia and the end like to me it should this should be kind of dramatic. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 23:48
And I think Firebird was suitably dramatic. But yeah, like, it wouldn't have fit with what they were trying to do with that story of the world. I guess you want to go bit by bit start with the first one. The Bates Beethoven tried the abstract one. Yeah. What do you think of that one?
Misha 24:06
So we're talking about animation. i Okay, across the board. I was kind of disappointed.
Tyler 24:17
Yeah, the for the most part. I would agree. Yeah. The triangle things that were supposed to be kind of like butterflies.
Misha 24:22
They had this the way they colored them the coloring throughout this whole movie. And especially in this one felt very 80s to me, like
Tyler 24:38
80s CGI, like, hey, look, we found we found a computer. Let's do some cool things with it. Yeah, rad, dude. Yeah, it's like
Misha 24:49
and they like mixed style. Yeah. Which just didn't work. There was like some. There were some like some of the background animation was in traditional Yes. Yeah,
Tyler 25:01
they had like, like, like lights and thunder and things. Yeah. Yeah. Good. I agree. Yeah. But the triangle
Misha 25:08
butterflies were just like, oh, knee. Yeah, let's throw some Tron in to the
Tyler 25:15
mix. Yeah. And that came out and kind of nowhere like there was like light and stuff and then suddenly those like multicolored Doritos are everywhere.
Misha 25:22
Yeah, yeah. Like Yeah. colored with like airbrush or like sponge like sponge painting you know, like people would be like, Oh, I'm gonna like decorate my kitchen with a sponge and sponge paint. Yeah was a big thing. That's what that looked like to me did yeah,
Tyler 25:40
I didn't like it only part I liked. It was when like the big swarm of like, this was supposed to be like an abstract fight between good and evil, apparently. And I guess I part of me didn't like the idea that they tried to add a narrative to an abstract when I think it's just should have been, like, abstract and weird, but maybe that's Well,
Misha 25:57
that was this entire movie. Every piece had a narrative. Yeah, I there was a story with every single one, and we'll get to them. And I think the original Fantasia, I appreciated that it was sort of a mix of different things going on. Yeah. And not all of them were like, here's a story and a character to follow. And it's just sort of like to really appreciate the music more. Yeah. And this one, it was like, Oh, we're gonna tell little stories to music. And I felt like it got away from the point. Yeah,
Tyler 26:34
it kind of missed the point of what this was supposed to be about in many ways. But yeah, I agree. With that said, though, I did like that maybe because they got rid of all the color but when the swarm of like black butterflies came in, I thought like the red Yeah, with the red outline. I thought that was pretty cool. And I thought it looked it wasn't enough to save it, but I thought it looked right. Yeah.
Misha 26:58
I mean, right was fine. Yeah.
Tyler 27:02
I also thought it was weird that they like introduced that one. Like they didn't introduce the movie. They just they introduced this movie with like, splicing in deems Taylor introducing the last movie and then they jumped right into Beethoven. I think they should have just like introduced its fucking Beethoven like in Symphony Number Five they just introduced it. And also we don't need James Taylor getting boring. snooze fest actually liked
Misha 27:25
Diems Taylor fuck him
Tyler 27:32
fuck that fucking Barry Goldwater original
Misha 27:34
Diems Taylor, not the dubbed version.
Tyler 27:40
You did say that. There was like a weird sound thing going on in the last one that I didn't notice. Yeah, yeah, I could do he did sound different. Actually. Come to think of it. So
Misha 27:50
so that was a Diems tailor what we saw in this one and not in the last one. Yeah,
Tyler 27:55
the Dean the other team sailor was some weird alien. This is cool keys. Grass. Yeah, okay, so anyway, pines of Rome. Yeah. Not a very famous piece. It was like a four movement piece about like pine trees and Rome and like different periods of the day. Interesting idea. But I think kind of what did you think of this? So I thought you might have liked this one, but the animation is wonky. Okay.
Misha 28:26
Is okay. So remember last time, we with the hippos we talked about sort of the physics of weight and movement. And they fucking glue it in this. They beefed it.
Tyler 28:39
Yeah, for those who haven't seen it. It's about like a family of humpback whales that learn how to or are able to fly not learn how to fly.
Misha 28:47
Fly, and then later they get to
Tyler 28:49
the calf gets separated and
Misha 28:54
fly. We should just Yeah. Why is the story of calf being separated? Okay, there's so much I have to fucking say about this because obviously I have a lot to say.
29:03
Apparently. Yeah.
Misha 29:08
I was excited. Because I love whales. And I love humpback whales. I mean, they'll have always hashtag Yes. All whales. Oh, the animation was strange. They did the same thing in this one where it's a blend of CGI. Whales on traditional in traditionally animated scenes, and the underwater was beautiful. There were so many beautiful elements. A great the whales looked bizarre to me. And then the eyes of the calf. Were also cartoony. They
Tyler 29:49
were almost like googly eyes. They were really Yeah, yeah. And it the parents eyes too will look to really off as well in some parts. Yeah,
Misha 29:58
yeah. But um Mostly the caf, it was so off putting. And then I know this doesn't matter so much. But when all of the whales are together, they like sort of copy and pasted some of the whales. And that's bullshit because humpback whales, one of the ways to ID them is with their flukes, the pattern on their flukes. Uh huh. And so when you just fucking copy and paste that just doesn't exist, that doesn't exist in the world. It's like fingerprints. Yeah. And I was a little bothered about that. But that's okay. That's not the worst offense. But the physics of how they moved under water was so off that when they got to air, it didn't matter. Like it didn't feel special when they could fly in the air because none of it seemed Correct. Like our brains know what things move like underwater and they didn't do that. Well, there should
Tyler 31:02
have been a bigger difference between like the the movement underwater and then when they go airborne, like some Yeah, which
Misha 31:07
half was moving really like everybody moved really fast? Like there was no drag? Yeah, in the water. And they and that's how male whales move. And I was really sad because I wanted to I tried really hard I was like, just ignore what you're saying. Just enjoy it. Because you love whales, you love the ocean. Just enjoy. And I couldn't.
Tyler 31:32
I don't know how much happened in the development stage. But it seems like a lot of these things are like they were desperate to use CGI and try it out. And like do interesting things. But in almost every instance, almost every instance, traditional would have looked much better like these whales Yeah. Weird in the in the backdrop in other places. And other ones that we'll talk about
Misha 31:53
the backgrounds and the characters didn't line up in terms of movement.
Tyler 31:59
Maybe they should have been slower underwater and then like, significantly faster in like the last
Misha 32:04
forever actually watched whale swimming to do their research. Right? They just maybe like the speed at which the calf was flapping around. I was like that they don't do that. Yeah, yeah. Like it's not a fucking fish flapping on a boat, or like a button where it
Tyler 32:24
was breaching and coming back down like like a salmon doing like run up a river like it was flopping up and coming back down. Another thing is back to the thing you said about the pod flying together. I didn't catch the Fluke thing. Great catch. Shout out to Misha and her brain. But also I wanted to shout out like, they used the I don't remember what the things they use the they basically do what you said like copy like Ctrl C Ctrl V paste to create a group based on one which is the same thing they did in Lion King with the wildebeest stampede apparently. So it's like they they're all separate things in the program. But they're basically all copies, but they can't touch each other. So like the program won't let like, they'll interact with each other in the in the computer generated image. So it's like they they made a group with individuals that can interact in a group together. Like if though two whales like hate each other, they would have like, right hit each other apparently. But it's still but which is cool if you read that, but when you're watching and you're like, Yeah, this is exactly janky it's the problem with like, I mean, it's not I can't blame them too much. Because it's like 9099 They're trying that we they suffer so that later movies like Finding Nemo look good, basically. And it's like, I mean, it looks janky as fuck, but it's like yeah, I don't know I
33:48
I mean, it looks like the bait.
Tyler 33:52
Like straight out of a story. Yeah. Yeah. But in a weird way. They tried to like dumb it down. I'm not dumb. That's not the right word. But the for example, the calf is clearly CGI. But they tried to make it look more hand drawn, but it ended up looking like, like from a story, like, wonky. But then I was like didn't,
Misha 34:12
if that's what they're going with the entire thing shouldn't be in that same particular style, because I actually thought so when the cap was separated in the underwater caves. There was a part where I was like, actually, this looks like it could be from a children's book, an illustration from a children's book, right? Yeah. Cuz I was like, Okay, so maybe I'm being harsh. That actually looks like they were intentionally trying to do that. I don't think they were I think it was just that one particular scene that happened to look that way because none of it fit with each other. There was that's sort of the flat like, the overarching flaw of this whole thing is that they're blending very different styles together not well, because they're trying to play with CGI. But all of the backgrounds are sort of in this traditional style and it just makes the CGI look that much shittier Yeah, agreed.
Tyler 35:08
Well, let's move on because we've got a lot to talk about next one up was Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin. We'll talk about the music later this one was based on Al Hirschfeld I don't know if I'm pronouncing it correctly famous characterised his work sort of like line drawing ask it's like New York it's all like blue within see splashes of other color cartoons yeah very New York magazine New Yorker could type cartoons. Yeah. Not my favorite type of art.
35:39
But honestly,
Misha 35:41
I thought the wrong one though because they stuck with a particular style. And I like that consistent
Tyler 35:47
and after like 30 seconds of it being like, do I really want to watch this you get in once it like really gets into like showing a lot of the city and the action of the moving around the city and cutting between they focus on by the way for those who haven't seen it. Focus on different characters in this one there's a city in
Misha 36:07
New York City maybe
Tyler 36:10
there's do the construction worker who wants to be a jazz drummer, he's the person of color I mentioned before this unemployed man named Joe this little girl who wants to spend time with her parents but she's giving restaurants different
36:20
private classes we keep pedia
Misha 36:25
Yeah, that's always your answer. But I
Tyler 36:27
looked into some other things. I mean, of course yeah. Because it's research capital art research. But I looked into something else that said like it was behind the scenes of like there because Duke is named after Duke Ellington. And there was also some I missed it but there was some like spoil easter egg where something Duke is carrying has the name Nina on it, which is like a callback to Al Hirschfeld like every everything had his daughter's name Nina in it. And I guess like New York Times crossword puzzle still put Nina in every I didn't know dinner. There's a little girl whose name was Rachel apparently wants to spend time with parents but keeps getting shuttled around by a nanny nanny. What what are they governance governance is a major domo. And, and John, who's a husband who wants to have fun and be a kid but is more about the dog. Yeah,
Misha 37:20
I will say this was not my least favorite segment, but it caused the most agita.
37:29
In what way so fucking stressful.
Misha 37:31
What miserable lives just the misery of humanity. Very stressful. Yeah. Misery that we're all put through because of capitalism. Fuck,
37:39
right.
Misha 37:42
Okay. wealthy parents fucking means nothing means nothing to her. Yeah, this this one was
Tyler 37:50
not fantastical. This one was to like to real
Misha 37:53
fucking grind. I live in this goddamn sucks. Yeah, I
Tyler 37:59
don't understand this. Like I guess that's my problem. This one I the reason I asked about the logistics I honestly thought the whale one would cause more when
Misha 38:07
I was just disappointed discomfort. Apply a label of my feelings for everyone. Wales disappointed Yeah.
Tyler 38:13
This one? Next one. Fuck you. Fuck
Misha 38:19
- Oh my god.
Tyler 38:23
So here's the thing. I'm not from New York City. I've never had this like love of New York City. I've never had this like desire to move there. Same.
Misha 38:30
Same, same. Same.
Tyler 38:34
But you know a lot more about New York City but I mean, oh, what a hell.
Misha 38:39
Yeah, I do. This this.
Tyler 38:41
My we should have my my younger sister. Oh, yeah. City. And she probably has a more optimistic view of the city because she's just a better person than I am. But like, I don't know.
Misha 38:54
Yeah, I'm the one who lives here and it's being shitty about it. And then you said I
Tyler 38:59
know but I'm it's this a preamble for what I was about to say like, I don't get it. You yours. You're different because you have an opinion. And you've lived there. I'm talking about from an outsider's perspective. You know what I mean? I actually I calling peach an outsider is not fair. At this point. She's been there for a long time. But But yeah, I just don't I don't get it. And this like fantastical. Look at look at the city in the 30s during the Great Depression. How marvelous and how jazzy it's like, no, it fucking sucked. fucking suck too hard. And this made me think that I mean it was I liked the animation though. Which is what we're talking about. I I mean, once I got used to the style, I was like, this is the I liked how they played with color. Quite
Misha 39:44
the animation I think this is one of the stronger yes it segments. But boy oh boy. Do I fucking it's
Tyler 39:54
like, why is this? Why is this and Fantasia this is like, this is hell.
Misha 39:59
We're just watching every single person be miserable.
40:03
Every movie
Tyler 40:04
is this every movie is like coming to America or people going to New York City to make it big and like life sucks. Fucking dandy is
Misha 40:13
life sucks you're poor life sucks. You're in between life sucks. Listen, let me tell you the city yes otter knife
Misha 40:28
knife you spoony before that's from The Simpsons. And that was not a good Australian accent I can do a good Australian accent you can I can't I can't I lost my British accent once I learned how to do an Aussie accent No, I didn't know it I'd oh this movie came out 99
Tyler 40:48
So anything no anything else like some highs or lows for the animation of this one? Let's move on. We've got a lot to talk about still. The next one was the the Steadfast Tin Soldier John Anderson
Misha 41:01
V and left to
Tyler 41:03
a Brooke Yeah to a broken toy soldier with one leg falls in love with a ballerina and protects her from a Jack in the Box. Dead one
Misha 41:11
apparently what is he a jerk in the box? Like why jerk
Tyler 41:15
in the box? Yeah check in the box he he's also like I don't know why they do this but he's like bald wearing a toupee and that became a joke that they laughed at like why is like bald people losing their to pay? So funny. I
Misha 41:31
didn't think any of this was appealing.
Tyler 41:33
This was apparently according to again my my my meticulous research whatever
Misha 41:38
you're about to tell me I'm gonna slap you through it.
Tyler 41:41
This is apparently this was I don't actually understand this statistic because I feel like the whale thing sort of negates this but apparently this was the first Disney film with like, CGI protagonist main. Like they've always had like they've had background CGI or background character CGI. According to whatever bullshit I read. It might have even been Wikipedia, to be quite honest. Said like the ballerina and the toy soldier were the first like CGI leads. But what about the fucking whales? Their sea cousin.
Misha 42:14
I would say the whales are technically not protagonist. They just are their I don't know, this is a pile of garbage. And I really didn't like this movie. So whatever facts you'd have to tell me, I don't think I care.
Tyler 42:31
Okay, so this one for those who won't see it or haven't seen it in a while. The main characters are like CGI, but then a lot of it was like the whale thing. A lot of the background was traditional animation. And honestly, I hated this fucking thing until the toy soldier gets knocked out the window and goes last. Yeah, because the whole montage
Misha 42:54
was right. Take the soldier out. Yeah,
Tyler 42:57
nor the soldier in the middle of it.
Misha 42:59
Yeah, who's still stupid drain is emptying the pipe is emptying spilling sewage, but it was the most beautiful part of the second most
Tyler 43:07
definitely. Beautiful sewage drain glowing. But that's traducere some like rats.
Misha 43:13
animation. So all the CGI stuff was bullshit. The story of this was bullshit. The animation of the characters terrible. Yeah.
Tyler 43:20
And it's again like, yeah, we can. I mean, I get it. They're trying new things in 1999. That hadn't really been. They're pushing 99 Her pushing it to the limit. And it just Yeah, I mean, it's just unfortunate that they that it looks so bad. It looks pretty bad. Maybe it could have looked better in 10 years. But it looks
Misha 43:41
the segment ends with the Jack in the Box being murdered by being burned in a furnace.
Tyler 43:48
Yeah, burned in a furnace. Which I he was a dickhead. So fuck him. I don't care about that. But what I mean, did he deserve that? No, but why? Gruesome? Okay, but here's the thing. I don't fucking give a shit. Because every night at midnight, he goes to rape town and tries to like dance with that lady and get her to do something. She doesn't want to do the ballerina every night at midnight. Midnight, it's, they make it clear that this happens magically every night.
Misha 44:12
Wait. rapey. Okay, I raved about how you picked up on that. Because he leaves it picked up because the toy
Tyler 44:20
soldier goes missing and then everything goes in NERT. And then at the end, the clock strikes midnight and they all animate again and the Jack in the Box immediately reaches for the ballerina and tries to woo her to every night. We have to imagine because because of what they've shown us what they've shown us it's happened twice in two days in a row what two days in a row. Would magic happen? No. I
Misha 44:41
understand that they come alive every night but you don't think there's a whole development of different things going
Tyler 44:46
on? No, no, I think this is a rape in the box. Okay,
Misha 44:51
I understand. I
Tyler 44:53
don't like using that word but I feel
Misha 44:57
mine Goofy got word. He wants to dancing with her who would want to our her mother
Misha 45:09
okay there's a bird on my pillow. Okay, yeah, maybe
Tyler 45:16
it's maybe it's advanced the camera on camera.
Misha 45:19
I don't think there was ever a bird currently. Anyway, I Okay, I guess the Jack in the Box is a total creepy perv. Okay, I get that but like I don't I just don't think I cared as much you did it's fine, bro the toys the toys lose one an issuer who fucking cares I've zero interested attachment to any of these characters Okay
Tyler 45:47
so the next one was very short carnival the animals it was a flamingo who just wants to play with his yo yo but the rest of the flamingos get
Misha 45:57
to say or that might be controversial. Yeah, this was my favorite segment. This
Tyler 46:04
is a great segment. I liked it. It's not my favorite but I liked it a lot. So it was my favorite with a second favorite. It's my I was going to do this because we didn't do this last time I was going to ask what your favorite least favorite was.
Misha 46:16
We did favorites last time but not least favorites. Well, we didn't do like guests.
Tyler 46:20
Your favorite guests your least favorite. Oh, so I'm guessing Yeah, I guess your What What is your least favorite out of these?
Misha 46:28
Oh, dear God. Oh, it's this one we just talked about with the soldier toys and the Jack in the Box rapist. And I mean nothing about that.
46:41
And I'm gonna guess I'm like,
Misha 46:43
No, Noah's Ark might also be a tie for my least favorite, folks. I don't know. I mean, or the first one. I mean, there's so many bad ones. I can't pay I supposed to pick up. What's the best turn on the street that a dad dropped? I don't know.
Tyler 47:03
Well, the answer is obviously the wet stinky ones. But
Misha 47:06
okay, actually, that's true. I have a dial up and some are horrible to pick up.
Tyler 47:12
If you're the picker upper, then there's a certain best one and worse.
Misha 47:16
Are we the papers? If you're down to ourselves, we're just picking up turds.
Tyler 47:21
I mean, yeah, if I'm talking about my cats, I definitely want to see a a
Misha 47:26
dry. Yeah, nice, dry poop
Tyler 47:30
instead of my old cat who's just like decided he doesn't poop in the litter box anymore. And he's gonna make it as wet as possible. Which I respect the game. I'm respecting King Julian. Yeah. Everybody King Jules. Angels. Okay, let's keep going. I like to I mean, this
Misha 47:47
is your literally favorite one.
Tyler 47:48
My least favorite one. I will have to say the Noah's Ark, one that we haven't talked about. It's probably my least favorite. Let's let's let's get there. We've got a carnival the animals I liked how they had James Earl Jones with gravitas introduce it and then he's like, he says this thing about the
Misha 48:07
old question. What is man's relationship to nature? Hold on. What does? Flamingo do?
Tyler 48:14
I thought that was funny. It was clearly like a cute little bit, but and then it's short. It didn't overstay. Its welcome. It's literally just a flamingo. like, yo, yo, it's Yeah,
Misha 48:27
because there's no fucking I don't even I don't care what it just a flamingo. A bunch of flamingos doing things. And that to me, this one was the most Fantasia out of all. All of them. Just things animated to sound.
Tyler 48:46
Yeah. And then the sound the music of Kimmy Sansa and, and the animation work married perfectly. They were like, it was a perfect match. Which some of these are words
Misha 48:58
trying to fit a story like this music to a store. It was just like, we're gonna highlight the sound that you're hearing as you're watching these things happen. And I like that. Yeah.
Tyler 49:10
The next one was Sorcerer's Apprentice which we talked about already. It's it's the same thing again, but it's on but honestly because of that it's one of the standouts simply because the animation still is solid and looks good Yeah, still just kind of boring the music is musics good
Misha 49:30
just boring because we just watched
Tyler 49:31
a animation of of the the room six and the arms and then when they get killed in the the it goes to grayscale and the color comes back all this stuff we talked about last time. It's all good. I wanted to one thing I don't think I mentioned last time, Yen said the sorcerer his eyes are really gross shocked about just we didn't talk was eyes. His eyes are disgusting. They did a really good job of making these big bulging like wet frog eyes that he's got with little tiny little pupils disgusting. Um, but I mean he's supposed to look menacing anyway, so I
Misha 50:05
don't think it was as I didn't think it was as gross as you thought because they were kind of simply done. But I see what you're saying about
Tyler 50:17
BDI Ed is his we BDI and that smug look on his face next one was he's a fucking wizard.
Misha 50:24
Are you a wizard? I'd look smart if I were a wizard. Yeah, fair
Tyler 50:27
point. The next one is based on the story of Noah's Ark from the book of Genesis in the Bible. Donald Duck is an assistant
Misha 50:36
fucking shaking my head
Tyler 50:37
yes and no as assistant and Daisy Duck is there too and then they get like the flood comes and they're both on the ship but they don't they think each other are dead. This was my least favorite. Because why the fuck like Rite of Spring was in the first one and they have this big preamble about science and how science is real. And then in this one there's like this fucking stupid
Misha 51:00
stories. Thank you, whoever that okay, that is why I thought you wait, is that not why that
Tyler 51:06
is the reason why somebody's favorite. Yeah, because it just made me think that maybe is the surprise or the controversial thing is I thought the animation for this one was lovely. I thought it was very clean and crisp and beautiful. It might have been like some there might have been some CGI enhancements but it wasn't
Misha 51:21
obvious to me animals were like similar bears.
Tyler 51:24
The pullovers looked a bit wonky, but um, yeah, but I thought that generally, generally
Misha 51:29
was okay because it's like the traditional animation and be fit too badly with CGI. And I also liked that. Yeah,
Tyler 51:38
I love some Donald Duck but they didn't have duck but
Misha 51:43
you just said it. I liked some Donald Duck but but
Tyler 51:47
he didn't get to speak enough. I did like that they he did get to speak with that stupid little skit. They did but I just loved Donald's voice it's really funny. I wanted more just I wanted more like Donald and Daisy doing something but not
51:59
it should have just now as
Misha 52:01
far as arc what the faux go proselytize that Christianity somewhere else.
Tyler 52:06
Why was that the choice is fucking awful. Yeah,
52:09
yeah.
Tyler 52:12
And then finally, the last one to the trans berry Angela Lansbury introduces it lean this so this one it's a dry at an elk wakes up a spirit of water spirit that then like is I guess a Dryad ish or are nymph kind of thing starts spreading spring or like at least plant growth and then like comes to this mountain that looks a lot and is inspired by Mount St. Helens and also looks like Mount St. Helens meets the Phoenix or like a Firebird or like a lava monster. Kind of a mix of all those destruction. Yeah. And it's all about like, you know life and rebirth and destroy nature's destruction, nature's beauty and wrath all boiled into one. I thought it was beautiful. And it was another good example of like they did there were clear parts was obvious that it was digital, but it worked.
Misha 53:00
I thought Yeah, I agree. I like this one.
53:03
That's really pretty.
Misha 53:05
She is kind of how I imagined so last week, I talked about what I imagined my afterlife self being whether like, I'm either an animal when
Tyler 53:15
you talked about like the big boobed angry ghost or whatever or angry which goes with big boobs. Yeah.
Misha 53:21
Okay, so um, either like terrifying, crazy, creepy witchy ghosts. That scares the shit out of people. Either, or a shark goes shark that, yep, go shark. Or the third is that I'm the spirit that goes around and heals nonhuman animals. And I've always imagined like this flowy sparkly thing that floats around. And she's the closest representation I've ever seen to what is in my head of how I could be as an animal healer, not when she's walking with limbs, but when she's sort of floating around, like I would just float and my floatiness would cover an animal Yeah, and wash over them and heal them. And that's and I really liked it for that reason.
Tyler 54:10
Yeah. And I liked how she goes through these different forms like goes sort of watery to sort of grass see in the in some parts like looking very impressionistic, like the very end when she's covered everything with green after the lava and then the rain to regrow everything, it like the grasses and everything's flowing and it looks very like sort of Van Van Gogh painting asked like this is interesting sort of like broad brushstrokes that was probably digital I think beautiful yeah and the lava looked really cool that's the sort of
Misha 54:41
I wrote that looked really cool looked really
Tyler 54:45
neat. I really liked when she said the lava spoiler for everyone the lava like chomps honor on the our protagonist here, but then she's like still alive but in like Ash form and the elk finds her and I thought that was really cool. She's Like falling apart and mashes and yeah,
Misha 55:02
the elk there was a scene where the elk is walking and again, it felt
Tyler 55:08
like they didn't didn't look as good as Bambi. Yeah, the movement, right? Yeah
Misha 55:12
to make. They didn't know, right. They didn't know how to make something move in a scene. So the elk is walking, and the scene is just moving too quickly behind it. And the body movements were kind of off and it's like, Have you ever seen an elk walk before? There we're seeing and then when the trees were spraying at the end when the trees are sort of popping out of the ground? It that seems a little off to me. The trees themselves and the way they unfurled, I don't know, it was just like, there's some things like the fantastical things. I thought they did really well, the lava I thought they did well, but with the biological sort of real things that felt really off to me.
Tyler 55:57
Yeah, it's always weird to me when I'm in maybe this is the same thing or maybe it's just like a different gripe, but when they have naturalistic processes, or biological processes, like like a flower growing, right, but it's sped up. Like when she when she grows trees and flowers really quickly. It always looks a little bit off to me like it looks not just like it's magical, because of course a forest can't grow in a minute, but, but it always looks a little weird like that. Like it's a computer like just populating a scene within it like, with like, what do you call assets or whatever. Like when you're in a video game and you like get to a new part of a video game and suddenly the video game catches up with you. And like populates all the trees everywhere. Yeah. What do we think about a score for animation? I don't think it should be like extremely low, but it should not be high as we can as people can probably understand from the way we feel about this. As a comparison Fantasia got a nine This is nowhere near that I think like oh Heiser should be not even close to the highs. Yeah. Sounds like it should be a five feels bad but because this is what it's supposed to be about. But it's not. They really fucked it up.
Misha 57:15
Yeah. And like a five is generous. Yeah,
Tyler 57:18
I feel like five is good. Because my heart wants. I mean, my brain wants to give it lower but my heart's like, this is what 99 was like, You know what I mean?
Misha 57:28
Hilarious minds. The opposite. My heart is like fuck you. I'm gonna do and my brain is like, okay,
Tyler 57:36
these are or maybe it's the same for me. I guess with this my soft spots like be nicer and my brain is like, see that must destroy
Misha 57:44
my heart is like be mean.
Tyler 57:49
I think a five a five works. Five makes sense.
Misha 57:51
I feel so generous.
Tyler 57:55
It is pretty generous. But I mean fine still. Just okay, like but I mean, I think the the highs are like the stupid flamenca has the
Misha 58:05
that's such a low high though the high
Tyler 58:09
is and also like with the Firebird Suite. They're like just okay, it's I think the Firebird Suite one is solid it's good I think but it's like when they when they when they solid is
58:21
well what's wrong with it? What's
Tyler 58:22
not solid about it? It looks great.
Misha 58:24
I just told you all the things that aren't you said like what you said like
Tyler 58:27
one little wonky thing about the elk and one little wonky thing about some trees growing what what makes it what makes it okay
Misha 58:35
that is part of this crap movie. Yeah,
Tyler 58:37
but I'm trying to look at the positives are that one is like the I mean, for me that's like the
Misha 58:41
that's was cool the spirit or whatever, the nip whatever she is. She's cool. I
Tyler 58:46
mean, I think that's the standout i Fine. But here's the thing that I'm kind of getting around what I was working up to is like again, like supporting what you said. They they set up this movie they're like, Okay, we're going to end with another sort of night on the bar Night on Bald Mountain. Big ending. And then that's what they came up with. I mean, it's good. Yeah, it's no night on top. Yeah, it's like no big
Misha 59:09
worse. Yeah, I feel I don't think it's a bad thing think the highs are a seven. Yeah, at most. Yeah, I
59:19
agree. And then and
Misha 59:21
then the majority of it is not even close to that and I think it needs to be lower. And they fucking reuse the Sorcerer's Apprentice which is the movie but I feel like more than an eighth of a movie
Tyler 59:36
Yeah, but but that's but that animation is solid. I feel like that we hit we should. We can. We should give originality like a one instead of a two like I don't think animation should take a hit for Sorcerer's Apprentice being in there. If you want to bring it down to like a four I'm fine with that. I just do think like where were the animation for example, the dumb Donald Duck when it
Misha 59:58
looks really good. Where are the anime? Okay, where are they in CGI for the time?
Tyler 1:00:04
And when it's good, it looks. I mean, it's like, it's not amazing, but like, the Donald Duck animation one, I mean, it's fucking Noah's Ark, but it's like that animation looks more polished than like Aladdin, for example.
1:00:17
And it's like, all right.
Tyler 1:00:19
I mean, I hate to say something like that, but like it does. And I was
Misha 1:00:23
just comparing this in my head to Aladdin.
1:00:27
And
Misha 1:00:31
because it's like style is like so it's not just the execution. It's the decisions that they made. It's the actual intentional style that they did. That felt so outdated for that time.
Tyler 1:00:49
Yeah, I guess I'd have to see this alongside like something like Tarzan or something like that to see what else was going on around that time or whatever else was coming out in 1999 2000. Like Atlantis was around the same time and Atlantis had some CGI that looked even worse than this, I would say. The other thing is I read somewhere that like say,
Misha 1:01:10
Example A Bug's Life came out. In 1998.
Tyler 1:01:15
Bug's Life looks better. Yeah. And it was back then Pixar was the only team in town that did something other than ilm, like the George Lucas. Boy Yeah.
Misha 1:01:26
The other thing I read somewhere they simply worse
Tyler 1:01:28
they chose to do CGI in some places, because traditional would have taken too much time. And that that sort of decision is lazy bullshit. I
Misha 1:01:36
and they should be penalized for that. But it's also the fact that they are we say
Tyler 1:01:40
lazy bullshit, but it's like saving millions of dollars, basically. But yeah,
Misha 1:01:45
capitalism is like trying to get us to pay them money for them to say like, thanks. Anyway, I'll stick with a five. Let's stick with a five because it's getting it's getting know that I'm grumbling about it. It's
Tyler 1:02:01
grumble, grumble, grumble, grumble, speaking of grumble, grumble, grumble, grumble, shall we move on to music and sound? Before I forget, because I find I'm maybe we'll forget. Because I was just mentioning the grumble grumble. There's this one part in pines of Rome, at the Columbia tactic scene where all the dumb whales are floating up to like a supernova or something or like a weird storm that turns into like, another dimension of space C space space. See? But that that part of the music like there's, it's really cool, basically, I don't want to like, go like over talk or whatever, but like, they do this cool. That part of the music has this like, continual like very deep rumbly like low bass thing that's supposed to simulate like, I mean, the the thinking behind it, I'm not the biggest fan. It's supposed to symbolize like the glory of ancient Roman soldiers marching the Appian Way back to Rome. And but it's got this like, Gunkel Klungkung sound that is really cool. It's the sound is cool. The meaning behind it. Who cares, but I liked that, that that sound was really neat, because I think overall that that piece was like not the strongest piece. Overall, what do you think of the music in this one?
Misha 1:03:19
If I feel like if I watched it, not immediately after watching the original Fantasia, I may have liked it more. But to be honest, it felt like it. A lot of the pieces kind of fell flat.
Tyler 1:03:35
Yeah, it's kind of weird because it's like, it's so weird to talk about this but it's like it's like classical music that is very good. And in Gershwin's case like classical mixed with jazz and doing groundbreaking stuff like that. But it's it's a weird such it kind of feels like Oh, our 18 got all got COVID So let's put the BT men and the btn is like the symphony number five from Beethoven. And like, I mean to be honestly I think Fifth Symphony. Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is miles better than that the Takata and few get started Fantasia. That's my personal opinion. But most of the time it's like my headphones just gesticulating too much music makes me most of the time pound for pound if you put these two up against each other, the original ones would probably want to know
Misha 1:04:26
that like so much better. Right and spring goes
Tyler 1:04:29
up against like Firebird let's say even well actually no let's do it in order for it to spring would go up against like Gershwin and I think right swing spring winds that Firebird goes up against Night on Bald Mountain Firebird I fucking love it a lot. But like, it just
Misha 1:04:45
I don't bog down is doesn't beat it. Yeah. Oh, good. And so it's like, I like I said, part of what I really love about the original Fantasia is just how to Automatic it is. Yeah, for sure. And I feel like this both the stories and the sound and the enemy. It's like it's missing that. Like I would want them to keep doing I want them to keep doing it. I want another one. And I there was supposed to be the idea 2006
Tyler 1:05:17
Apparently, but it got scraps.
Misha 1:05:22
I would love to see another one because I like classical music. Yeah, I love the idea of playing with sound and animation together. This didn't feel as playful to me. No, it just felt like, yeah,
Tyler 1:05:37
this this one was like an homage that was a little bit of a cash grab. Because it was like playing off of the IMAX experience. This
Misha 1:05:44
reminded me of, you know, whenever, like, I'm sure they did this for COVID. Or they do these, like, let's get all these musical celebrities together for a fundraiser. That's what this felt like to me.
1:05:56
Imagine like, yeah, yeah. Like,
Misha 1:05:59
it's mediocre. Like they're trying to do something big and great. And then you call in and donate over?
Tyler 1:06:06
I think yeah, I think it's it's just unfortunate that some of the songs some of the pieces rather not songs, but like pieces of music are so I mean, how I feel like a shithead even saying that like Shostakovich, you're not so great. And it's like fucking cesta COVID. And it's like, I know Gershwin, too, it's like I yeah, I mean, but it just, I guess it's just, it's not worth it doesn't work as well as the first one. And that's just not nostalgic, and just not as effective. It comes off a little cash crabby, and like omachi. And, but I mean, if they were going to do this every five or 10 years, the idea would get stale. But in that staleness, sometimes new cool things that
Misha 1:06:48
pop up, like, I think, because they waited so long to do it. They didn't have the same kind of like, avant garde freedom that they did with the first one. And like, yeah, the experimental nature of it was missing from this.
Tyler 1:07:04
That's why dictatorships are so great. It's like, you don't have to answer it. Anybody you just
Misha 1:07:10
boy? They answered no. Okay, well, I mean, depends on the dictatorship. I have ideas.
Tyler 1:07:21
Ashoka was great, benevolent despot. After he did all the murdering and became a Buddhist, he was great.
Misha 1:07:27
I mean, gotta do we gotta do a shout
Tyler 1:07:31
out to Ashoka. Yeah, shout out to the Mauryan Empire. I mean, here's the thing. We can't give this a low score. It's fine.
Misha 1:07:43
I'm just saying, hey, now I know that 10 out of 10 Also, pomp and circumstance can suck my dang we that
Tyler 1:07:49
song is fucking awful. I don't understand why they chose that.
Misha 1:07:54
Do I? Yeah, this it's, it's
Tyler 1:07:57
really bad.
1:07:58
It's not a good song.
Tyler 1:08:00
I mean, this is coming for someone who doesn't know how to fucking write music, but it's not a good song.
Misha 1:08:04
I mean, neither do I. But I don't like it. I was like, I was actually interested in
Tyler 1:08:09
it's just made worse by the fact that it's an every single graduation and stuff like that. But before that, as
Misha 1:08:14
they announced, that's what the song was. I was like, oh, okay, maybe I'll like it because I'm hearing to hearing the song in its entirety. You know, we're just so used to Donna da okay, like just that little clip. Well,
Tyler 1:08:29
remember, the times we had to gather?
Misha 1:08:37
Also, that whole story is so disgusting. Like, every single animal alive today are just from the same to
Tyler 1:08:48
well, it works for cheetahs. Cheetahs are fucking inbred as fuck because we're fucking killer ball. Yeah,
Misha 1:08:54
wiped out so like that's the thing. Humans have bottlenecks populations for sure. And when you get to that, they don't make it. So in okay, we don't need to talk about what's wrong. We don't need to talk about Noah's Ark. We
Tyler 1:09:09
don't have to talk about the fact that like the God punished the world because humans are bad and then put all the animals on a human boat to do to make humans the caretakers of animals like anyway of how can I anyway? I wonder if all the other animals were like mad at Donald because he got to wear like a shirt?
Misha 1:09:28
Also why did the other animals just say like, Oh, I saw Daisy like those two birds the doves just fucking Hey, she's right behind you.
Tyler 1:09:38
Yeah, I speaking to the birds that I did like how the woodpecker was picking holes in the boat. He knew what was
Misha 1:09:45
drowned. I saw Donald stopped him.
Tyler 1:09:50
Yeah, so I don't know. What do we think like, I mean, here's the thing. Yeah, great music but doesn't work as a movie like the other one does. But yeah, I think I feel like It's got to be like. I mean, for example, I'm trying to think of another example. But there's like, I'm sure there's like a song. I'll explain. Okay.
Misha 1:10:07
Okay. It's not a 10. Okay. They kind of fell flat, you lose point. They're incredible. There's some incredible songs, then you lose a point for Poppins or circumstance, because
1:10:20
yeah, I think
Misha 1:10:22
it is. Good music.
Tyler 1:10:25
It's, yeah, it's mostly good music. We have excellent music, but
Misha 1:10:29
it's just asked for things just not fitting with the movie. Exactly.
Tyler 1:10:34
And that's what I was about to say. I was like, there are for example, if you go back and just listen to the soundtrack for like, Big Hero Six, there are some good, like songs on there, like, like suspenseful emotional songs, probably. But But like, does it work in the movie? Well, I don't remember. That was a long time. We even talked
Misha 1:10:53
about that within Konto. Yeah. Like, if you listen out of context, the songs might be okay, but within the movie, they just don't work. Yeah. And so at last point, yeah. Speaking
Tyler 1:11:05
of which, that surface pressure song has been stuck in my head. I do think that is a solid song. I just didn't think it fit for the movie style. But that's that's what I'm saying. I still don't understand how the Bruno's song is like, not the number one like I think surface pressure like it's a bigger banger, but that's my opinion.
1:11:23
I'm probably wrong. I don't know anything fingers in the mouth. passages.
Tyler 1:11:30
You sir, are a mouthful. Okay, yeah. So right before we move on to fun factor, I had a little game I wanted to play if that's okay, we can cut this out if you wish. But I was thinking if you were in charge of the next Fantasia, and you got to choose, but because you had to like share it with Tyler and other stupid idiots. You got to choose one segment. What would it be?
Misha 1:11:53
What do you mean? To make music? Do
Tyler 1:11:57
you have like a saga music and animation pairing? What would you
Misha 1:12:01
oh my god, I have to think about this. Okay, I have two ideas. Yeah,
Tyler 1:12:10
I'd love to hear him. Because I have some like songs that I would like that would I bet they could come up with something great, but I couldn't like imagine animation for it and okay,
Misha 1:12:18
I'm so we're okay. Tyler. This is where we have podcast together because I'm imagining animation. So tell me your songs. Okay, tell me your songs. And then I'm going to see what I think of
Tyler 1:12:31
so the first two that stuck out to me just because I was like in a Stravinsky mood after the past couple weeks
Misha 1:12:37
and I don't know music the way you do so I'll have to like look, that
Tyler 1:12:41
puts a lot of pressure on me. But like there are two Gustaf holds pieces. One is Mars bringer of war. And there's another one called Jupiter the bringer of jollity. And it's like the planet sweet about the planets. But they're also it's also about like the Roman Greco Roman gods as well. But like the Jupiter one it has all these nice, like triumphant into emotional parts that I feel like it could be cool either like with a mythological thing Yep. That's, that's really dramatic. That's Mars. Dun, dun dun, dun dun, dun dun. That could be cool like a mythological thing or like, I mean, the problem is my brain is going to like dinosaurs. What? Yeah, but but for the Jupiter one or for the Mars One. It could be cool to have some like sort of space thing just like no humans no animals just like some weird shit happening in space like a supernova. And then what happens after that are like a black hole sucking something in Jupiter. It's got this like, very triumphant like beginning and then in the middle. It's got this really beautiful emotional motif in there like bridge I guess we would call for like a pop song. Yeah, I mean, those are the two and then Swan Lake which is overused, but I fucking love Swan Lake. Swan Lake.
Misha 1:13:59
One of the only songs I know how to play in the piano still. Ah,
Tyler 1:14:02
and then yeah, all my a lot of my favorite classical music is like, really depressing. So not like Chopin and Beethoven stuff that would not be good for Disney movie. But um, what were your ideas?
Misha 1:14:15
I think they need to reduce some of the ocean things correctly. And you like it doesn't have to be whales. But the I love the idea of sort of like what we talked about with playing with a difference of how things move under water versus out of water in air. And not just like, This is a story about a whale calf being separated from its parents and wow, they fly in air like that stupid but like actually the physicality of movement in water versus air. So does everyone else I think that would be really cool. It would be really cool. So because Color is a really big part of a lot of these. There's so many like, Okay, how about like seahorses or something? Right, like something that we don't? Or corals. Okay, no, take it back.
Tyler 1:15:17
Oh, coral, you
Misha 1:15:18
have Christmas tree ferns opening and closing, right. And sort of some of the animals, the underwater animals that people don't necessarily think of as living animals. So you have Christmas tree ferns and corals, and sponges and different things sort of like timelapse that I think would be really cool. Yeah, what
1:15:41
would be a good song for that?
Misha 1:15:44
I think something so like, what if, what if, because we live in the worst time ever? The The next one is all climate change related things. So you have like a fucking tsunami coming right? And sort of like the animals. You know, how like animals can tell when a tsunami is coming or a catastrophic event, you just see them scattering and it ends with like this big crashing of the tsunami, right? Like, and it doesn't have to be adversity, we don't have to make it like super, like really bleak, but just sort of like that response where you see things starting to pick up in the beginning little vibrations, little things here and there animals fluttering away, like you know, ears perking up, leading to big crescendo. Yeah. And then it sort of settles and then you get to the settling where it gets back to come the sun comes out. Like when I was in Japan during the typhoon. It was like so chaotic during it. And then as soon as it ended done, sun came out. It's like nothing happened. Yeah. Right. Like, that's sort of like, drama. I don't know. I think it's pretty cool.
Tyler 1:16:56
Yeah, like, Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Like the, I think that's why like, we both sort of tend to gravitate to the what the Fantasia ones that like really show the awesome power of nature, like, like the Rite of Spring like the the not even the the dinosaur part like but like just the world forming like the storms and then the oceans and like stuff like that. And then the obviously like the the destruction of the vault, the volcanic destruction in the Firebird one
Misha 1:17:29
and then in this one fire tweet, Right exactly.
Tyler 1:17:32
My other idea was I was thinking like it'd be cool to have sort of again like nature base but like, you know, a long time ago before industrialization and anything like that, like sort of nature based but also like show people maybe like show people from like, you know, maybe like Inuit people and like, maybe they're like three brothers and then they're like, and then somebody told me usic is where the fair fair, but I've had
Misha 1:18:06
Scott here
Tyler 1:18:08
that's the that's the song that would be my Fantasia one all Tina
Misha 1:18:11
Turner just a Tina Turner Fantasia
Tyler 1:18:15
Okay folks fun factor. This movie is not fun not at all.
Misha 1:18:20
Oh god no, this was like one of the least whereas
Tyler 1:18:23
the other one was like nighttime because it's like a different type of sensation you get from it this one is like just got it's less it's I
Misha 1:18:30
like I said I stopped it went made a snack. Went did some work. Got real stressed out. Came back. Thankfully it was shorter. A lot shorter than the original fantasy Yeah.
Tyler 1:18:47
Yeah, it was it was yeah, it was like I mean parts of it were okay but it was just not as it wasn't pleasant to sit through and the fun quote unquote fun one was like a minute long a minute and a half long and and it was like it was a minute have long for a reason because it's like a flamingo with a fucking yo yo and it's gonna get old very quickly. Yeah, it's not fun I think like I want yeah, that's like a one got one too. Yeah doesn't sit right I don't think there's any doesn't sit right do you think there is I mean there's nothing like off putting or offensive or creepy like the first one. The toy soldiers weird looking in the jack in the box is pervy but I don't know. Yeah, I think it's a zero. Yeah. And it's fine. And effervescence.
Misha 1:19:35
I say. This is where it fails. It's a zero don't go from a full 10 to a zero. It has not
1:19:41
Yeah, go to school.
Misha 1:19:44
All right, for a possible score out of 110 This gets the reverse of a 42 It got a 24 Wow,
Tyler 1:19:54
this is definitively a worst movie than some of the cars movies
Misha 1:20:02
Fact. Yeah, yeah,
Tyler 1:20:04
fifth. Okay, so cars got
Misha 1:20:08
the cars movies. Yeah. I mean just cars movies was the 25 i This is worse than ball and bowling. I
Tyler 1:20:17
believe I'm saying this but I agree with that mistake that we made cars is better than Fantasia 2000 Oh, God, I just threw up in my I don't know. Oh, no, I don't fart on a toilet. That's bad. God.
1:20:34
There's there's no just waiting.
Misha 1:20:35
When is this segment going to be over? Yeah, that's how we felt for the majority of them. When is this segment going to be over? Let's get to the next one.
Tyler 1:20:44
Yeah, unfortunately, I did kind of feel the same for a lot of it. Yeah, it's um,
Misha 1:20:49
unfortunately, it didn't get a 25 Because our 25th episode would have gotten a 25 I don't think we've done that yet.
Tyler 1:20:54
It hasn't happened yet. I don't think yeah, I'm
Misha 1:20:58
close. No cigar. Well, folks,
Tyler 1:21:01
thank you so much for listening. And if you want to get in touch if you think Hey, how come you didn't talk about Gershwin more? Well send us an email at [email protected] or you can
Misha 1:21:14
Tyler will read it I'm gonna just try to put it in the trash if you say some dumb shit like that.
Tyler 1:21:19
I mean, honestly, honestly. We I would have loved to talk more about like why Firebirds a great song. There's not that this is not the podcast for that. Also,
Misha 1:21:28
we're not experts and go up the wazoo podcast. Yeah,
Tyler 1:21:31
we're also not experts in like how Gershwin uses syncopation and in Rhapsody in Blue or whatever. So you know.
Misha 1:21:40
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Tyler 1:21:50
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Misha 1:21:58
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Tyler 1:22:01
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Misha 1:22:10
And yeah, we'll see you next time with Finding Nemo Finding
Tyler 1:22:15
Nemo. Yeah, actually and before we head off really quick, people might be wondering why not Finding Dory first because alphabetical Yeah, in some cases with with movies that are like, you know, sequels but like not alphabetically, lining up like WreckIt Ralph will be the same at the very end of this.
Misha 1:22:31
We just decided to just cry because this is our podcast like
Tyler 1:22:36
and why not? Why not be a little logical sometimes. So Finding Nemo at first, and then finding dory. Until next time, Bye, everybody.
Misha 1:22:45
Bye bye.