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Tyler 00:00
content warning although this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and may contain content some people find offensive.
Misha 00:27
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing we discuss and rate Disney animated films going in alphabetical order unlike any other podcast using an objective scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I'm Misha. And
Tyler 00:41
I'm Tyler. And this week we are talking about 2017 Pixar, Disney's Coco. Coco. Oh, super excited to talk about this one. I watched it twice. I had not watched it before. And not the CoCo from the movie, but like another Coco in honor of Coco Chanel. I got all beautiful today I got a haircut. I gotta shave.
Misha 01:08
Oh, I meant. I was like, You look different.
Tyler 01:12
Yeah, that sounds like wait, I'm going to talk about my I'm going to talk about what happened today. The Comedy of Errors. So I
Misha 01:18
like shit today. I put my hair in a thank you. You always say that, but it's not always true.
Tyler 01:26
It is it is. Me on the other hand, so I was gonna get pictures taken. So I was like, I'll get a haircut and I'll get a nice shave because you know in the Turkish barber shops and things they do a good shave. The only interview I had massage and only targets it's to Turkish and today it was two Turkish. So they asked me hey, you've got some like, you know, black spots and on your nose. You want us to like give you a give you a clean. I was like, Well, I'm gonna get some pictures taken. So yeah, sure. It took two hours. No, it wasn't what I thought which was like a facial scrub like what they do like those exfoliating things. Yeah, they they covered my face and something my eyes were closed. They covered my face and something that smelled like a tree oil. Then they then they just stopped then they they put a heater on my face. Yeah. And then they and then the guy like clearly was like, trying to push every pore everything out of every pore with his fingers because
Misha 02:31
Oh, his finger it hurts.
Tyler 02:33
I think so it hurts so bad gotten those
Misha 02:36
facials? Are they really bad? Yes, I know. It's like he was using a knife. Yes. They have this little metal flat loop tool. It's like a little loop. And they like, I don't know. I don't know. It's agonizing. It's agonizing. And you just are stuck.
Tyler 02:53
Yeah. And that was
Misha 02:54
using a laser. Yes. Yep. Yep. So afterwards they zap you Yep. This is all
Tyler 03:01
oh my gosh, it's awful. So So then my by the end of it I couldn't get the pictures taken because my nose looked like like Rudolph the red nosed reindeer had fucked JP Morgan and had a Carbuncle nose baby and look like he was famous very gross. He had a he had some issues like Rhino something Rhino Mina or minor. Oh, is his nose was was a massive, like the Battle of Antietam. It was gross. And he he wouldn't let people take pictures of it.
Misha 03:34
Okay, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have shouted like that. There. These are. Yep. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. i Why did I carve out to myself? They were not actual photos that I could see of that. But there were like reenactments, I guess, some movie or something. That was really? Yeah,
Tyler 03:55
I guess like he was so rich. And there was like a procedure he could have gotten but when he was a kid, sorry, this is a JP Morgan. Deep Dive but we dropped some JPMorgan gross knowledge on you. So when he was a kid, he had seizures a lot. And but so then when he was older, and he was told you can have a procedure to fix your gross. Like mandrill asked knows. And he's like, No, because I might have seizures. I'll just keep it because I'm so rich and powerful. I'll use it as a tool to intimidate people and see I'll dare them to look me in the face and try to challenge me and that's what he did. He was one of those rich castles in the Gilded Age. Yes, like own everything. And we're more powerful than the government anyway,
Misha 04:36
because we definitely don't have that today.
Tyler 04:38
We definitely don't have it anymore. Teddy Roosevelt fixed it all.
Misha 04:41
Okay, so you had a JP Morgan nose so JP
Tyler 04:45
Morgan fucktard off and and pooped out my nose and so I couldn't get pictures taken because my nose was splotchy. It still is blotchy and it hurt so I got angry and I just It took flick two hours, so I went home. They didn't tell me they're they're like oh, little thing like we're doing a thing. I didn't realize it was a facial that took forever. Okay,
Misha 05:06
Tyler, this I thought was going to be not a Nash nausea inducing episode our nausea.
Tyler 05:13
Well, I got to break our nausea into it somehow. And so yeah, let's get let's get into it. Let's get into the real, the real fun. We for those who are just joining us welcome we grade these on originality, story animation music and sound protagonist, sidekick villain henchmen strong female lead, and bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor and one of these days I'm gonna be able to do this without looking at the actual sheet, but I'm too scared of trying. I tried once and then like midway through, I bailed, and then we give minus points if something doesn't sit right like it's achy, like some of the movies you may have listened to in previous episodes. And also we get bonus points for effervescence for that special Disney magic. So what is Coco about Misha? So
Misha 06:03
if you have not before I give the synopsis. If you have not seen Coco, pause now and go watch it because I will be spoiling it and it's good. Not like Don't let this episode spoil it. Watch it first and then come back. Yeah,
Tyler 06:24
yeah, this is a recent movie that we do still kind of need to give a spoiler alert. Yeah, yes. So
Misha 06:31
okay, Coco is about a family. And it takes place in Mexico. And the main character, Miguel, his great, great grandfather was a musician and the family story is that he abandoned his family. And so the great great grandmother, great, great or my my Melda. She bands music from the family and becomes a shoemaker because she's like, so mad that her husband abandoned the family. No names yet no spoilers. And so from then on. The family is all anti music, no music. But Miguel, our protagonist is a musician at heart. He loves music. Yeah, he plays a guitar secret and secret and his little secret loft secret hideout. And he looks up to this famous musician named Ernesto Dela Cruz and wants to become a famous musician like him. Yeah. The family finds out that he has been secretly playing music and hit an his grandma. I can't remember her name right now. What's his grandmother's name? I know. His great grandma is mama Coco. Yeah,
Tyler 08:03
they mostly say Abu Aleta.
Misha 08:05
Yeah, that's right. Okay. Okay,
Tyler 08:09
I don't know if they actually give her name actually. Aleta, I don't know.
Misha 08:15
She's so anti music. And he wanted to be part of this music competition. Or this. What do you call our talent show talent show. And so he goes to the talent show, but he doesn't have a guitar. So he breaks into the tomb. The Mazal Liam of errand esto de la Cruz and takes his guitar off the wall strums the cord and transport it turns him into. It transports Him into the world of the dead. Yeah, so he's not dead. But he's like, kind of a ghost now in this in that realm. Yeah, he's
Tyler 08:59
in a liminal state, we could say and he
Misha 09:02
needs to figure out a way to get back home because now he's stuck in the afterlife world. And so
Tyler 09:11
he runs into he runs it a family runs and
Misha 09:14
helping a little bit his dead family. Okay, including mama Imelda, who is the great great grandmother that band music. And in order for him to return home, they a family member needs to give him their blessing for him to return back home. Yeah, because he had a quarrel with his family and family is everything and so but she says you could go back home but you could never play music again. And he decides condition. Yeah, right. No, I'm not going back home if I can't play music. Wow. And oh, he thinks that Ernesto de la Cruz is his great great A grandfather who was who abandoned the family. So he comes up with this idea that he's going to go find at Ernesto de la Cruz in this world and get his blessing because he's a musician. So he needs a family member who's a musician who give him his blessing to go back home and to play music. So, the whole movie, not the whole movie. So then he tries to get to Ernesto de la Cruz, on his way he meets Hector Yeah. And played by the very dreamy guy out Garcia Bernal. Yeah, very dreamy. So, so handsome. Hector is being forgotten. So if your photo is not on an ofrenda, which is where you give blessings to your ancestors, if your photo is not up on an ofrenda or and you are being forgotten, you will die once you're completely forgotten by Yeah, any living person. Once nobody can remember you, you die die in this after World your bones disappeared. Nobody knows what happens to you. That's it. And so he is being forgotten. And he has his photo that he wants to give to Miguel to bring with him when Miguel returns to the real world. And that Miguel will put Hector's photo on the ofrenda. Okay, now all this stuff is happening. Then. Fast forward to Miguel meets Ernesto de la Cruz Yeah, and then discovers that Ernesto stole the music from Hector and tried to murder hit and murdered boys. They're dead. They're full. They're all dead. Sorry. I said try to because they're all what? So he finds out Ernesto de la Cruz is a murderer, and music thief. So are nesto you think he's a nice and charming and like a great guy. But then he turns and then he has both Hector and Miguel sent to some cave to like banish them, get them out of his hair, because he's very powerful in this afterlife, because he was very famous in real life. And he's very famous in the afterlife as well. And so then when they're banished in this cave. Oh my god, I cried so much.
Tyler 12:35
Yeah,
Misha 12:35
Miguel, real and Hector realize that Hector is his great great grandfather. And that he didn't abandon his family. He wanted to go back to his I'm like, I have chills right now just talking about it. I love this perfect squat. And they are so they realized that they're who they've been looking for. They've been looking for each other the whole time. And it is so sweet. And they're both so proud to be family. Oh my God.
Tyler 13:05
They both have these little when they both realize they both have this little grin that crosses their faces. That's just so so magical.
Misha 13:15
Okay, so they realize that they are family, and then they get rescued by mommy Mel does spirit guide who's the coolest animal in all of this spirit world was giant
Tyler 13:29
with the help of a character we haven't mentioned yet Dante to
Misha 13:34
write with the help of Dante.
Tyler 13:37
And lastly, and finds
Misha 13:40
them and then mummy Melda spirit animal actually carries them because poor little Dante in his tiny little wings can't lift them. And they go to back to where Ernesto de la Cruz is to get the photo which nesto stole from Ecuador, to Yeah, sort of out of spite, like to be a jerk. Still here. And also,
Tyler 14:05
I think, I think also just to ensure that Hector can get back and
Misha 14:10
they can tell the story, right, and they can't tell everyone that Ernesto is Abadi. That's my great grandpa's name too, by the way.
Tyler 14:21
Oh,
Misha 14:22
they go back. And they're trying to steal get the photo back of heck, Hector from Ernesto. While all these shenanigans are happening, they tell mama Imelda that Hector wasn't abandoning a family that he was trying to get back to the family Ernesto poisoned him. They tried to get the photo back the photo falls into water and is destroyed. Hector's time is running out because mama Coco is forgetting Him because she's very, very old and so hard time remembering things and then they hold on okay. Then so they're back at the stage because Ernesto de la Cruz is doing a show so they go back and they film Ernesto de la Cruz like confessing accidentally he doesn't really mean to but he confesses they have it on camera. Everybody sees it, or nesto is maybe killed killed. Not really sure by mom and Mel does.
Tyler 15:28
He's cursed by bail again.
Misha 15:31
He's crushed by a bell, I think, yeah, I think he'll be able to put by, he'll be able to be put back together but not sure. It was a little confused about that. But whatever. They get him out of the picture everybody now hates and Ernesto de la Cruz because he deserves it. And Mama Imelda gives Coco her blessing to return to the physical world, and to play music. Because her relationship with Hector is repaired realizing that he wasn't he didn't abandon the family, he was murdered. And so and he wanted to go back to family so Coco returns.
Tyler 16:13
As part of and Hector at this point, apparently sacrifices himself to help us to at this point, apparently, to help to help, Miguel,
Misha 16:21
Miguel get back to home. And so he gets back. And Miguel needs to get mama Coco to remember, Hector because if she doesn't, Hector WILL DIE DIE for good in the afterlife. And that's it. And he's crying and and Abuelita runs in and tries to stop him from playing his guitar. But McGill's Miguel's dad stops her. And then this part. Oh my God, so many cries. Yeah. Miguel starts playing remember me, which is the song that Hector wrote for Coco. And he starts playing it and singing it on his guitar. And then all of a sudden, Mama Coco joins in. And she remembers and everybody's crying and I'm crying. And the whole family is amazed because this is pulling her out of being lost. She is remembering it and she starts to remember her dad. Heck, Dora. And the whole family is seeing that this is what she needed the whole time. She needed music to bring her back. Hector is remembered. And then turns out mama Coco has his photo. Yeah. Saved the little torn piece from the from the photo on the ofrenda with Coco and Mama Melda. That torn piece she has that torn piece. And they repair the photo and put him on love Brenda. And then the whole town changes over from immortalizing Ernesto de la Cruz to remembering and honoring Hector as the true musician that wrote all of these famous songs, and everyone's happy again. And Miguel is with his family. And Mama Coco dies. But it's okay. She's up on love. friender And then you cut to the spirit world. And Mama Coco and Hector and Mama Melda are all together again. The Yeah.
Tyler 18:46
Yeah, so folks, if you if you can't tell we both really liked this movie.
Misha 18:53
Okay.
Tyler 18:55
Yeah. So there is a lot to talk about. And good way so I like when this movie came out my friend shout out to my my friend Curtis who told me about this movie first. He's like, it's great. I like I cried a lot. And you're, he's he basically warned me like, I would probably cry. So I had that going in. Like if I mean I cry quite a bit and I'm pretty sensitive, but if I know that it's coming. I might not but I still like ugly cried. Yeah. Yeah. And in the part where Miguel and coke when Coco remembers at the end, I just Well, I mean, I was tearing up before that, but I just lost so I teared
Misha 19:34
up with Miguel and Hector realizing they were family and then just Yep, full ugly cry with Mama Coco at the end.
Tyler 19:44
Yeah, I was like, I was watching with us as I was trying not to like, like audibly cry and ruin the movie like but I was like, like sort of choking, like, tears are streaming down my cheeks and And then I started watching it today. And as soon as cocoa came on the screen, I like started losing it again, like, just the first time she's on the screen. And then I had to the second watch through I had to like, I mean, partly because of time and also because I was doing it to more, you know, for analysis, but also partly to like, you know, skip some moments to save myself. Yeah, it's a tear jerker. Yeah. But a good one. It is, uh, I think, I mean, I'm gonna try to be objective here, but I think this may be, like, one of my favorite movies like I've seen in a long time. Yeah. Yeah. So let's get into it. Originality is the first category
Misha 20:43
10 out of? I don't know.
Tyler 20:47
I mean, let's talk about a little bit. So this movie is directed by and also co written by Lee Unkrich, who was also the director of Toy Story three, I think. And he's, he's been in Pixar. Yeah. But he wasn't Pixar. From the beginning until 2019. I think I read when he took he retired to take time off for it with his family and stuff. But yeah, he came up with it a long time ago, apparently, again, this is like, you know, very minimal research, but he came up with it. And it was originally going to be like an American story, and a bit different. But then it slowly morphed into this story. And along the way, they got, like, I mean, it changed quite a bit. And it turned into, like, you know, a massive multimillion dollar movie with like, all the lead actors being we'll get into this, but, you know, people of color in it, which is great. And he but he very, like, all along the way was like, I want to tell this story, and I want to do it, right. So they brought in, you know, cultural consultants, and along the way, they showed it to people that
Misha 21:49
want to go I read quite a bit went to Mexico. Yeah.
Tyler 21:55
for cultural reasons, and also, we'll get into this book for music reasons, especially. And I read that like, along the way, like the the story changed, because of the information they were getting from the people watching it. They weren't part of the industry. Like for example, one little thing was like Abuelita, the grandmother was supposed to carry around a wooden spoon and hit people with it. But those people that watch it were like, no, no, she would do that with her sandal. So that's why that changed her. Like she she hits everybody with her sandal and throws it at Dante.
Misha 22:28
That's important. Like, yeah, it's yeah,
Tyler 22:31
that's super important. Yeah. We've never like so far we haven't gotten that the closest we've gotten is, I mean, we haven't gotten to Rana which came out a year earlier. And we'll get to it. But like, in our podcasts, we haven't got to a movie that went to like this level of detail to get it right and respect the culture and, and at the same time, it's like, it's an original story. It's not based on any fairy tale. It's not like, it's not a rehash of like, I
Misha 22:59
mean, it is based on an like, actual, based on like, traditions, the story itself of a boy, but getting bought, like, caught and stuck in the afterlife world is like, Yeah,
Tyler 23:14
I mean, yeah, but I don't think we should take points off of originality for the fact that it's, it's about No,
Misha 23:19
I don't mean, like, we should take points off. I mean, like, we have not seen or heard this story before.
Tyler 23:25
It's like, it's like the first. I mean, this is a very bad comparison, but just because of the things we've watched if, if, like, I can't believe that says, if the Chris, if A Christmas Carol was the first time we had seen that, it would be sort of similar because it's like, an interesting story in the world of Christmas. Right? Right. Whereas, and this is like a very interesting, interesting story with that. nests, like, essential, like backdrop of, of the Day of the Dead. The adults weren't those. I mean, I know it was a knee jerk thing, but I think it's a 10 I think it's originality, like 10
Misha 24:00
I wasn't knee jerk, but I like Yeah, even as we're talking about it. I mean,
Tyler 24:04
I can't think of a movie we've seen or coming up that is
Misha 24:08
at least not in America. I don't know if like there's ever been a story like
Tyler 24:13
that's a good point. Yeah. Like oh, yeah, like this there might be somewhere.
Misha 24:18
Yeah, I don't think there's anything so yeah. Okay. Let's just stick with that.
Tyler 24:24
I think I think it's a 10 Yeah, I mean worse. I would go down to as a nine I think nine Yeah, me too. But I think just the way that they I mean yeah, this is a good example of like taking these things that we know and have been done before like holidays family like the the bridge between different worlds like either like in Brave it's the bridge between the spirit like the the fae and the and, and the real world, or like between ghosts of Christmas, past, present and future and the real world. And it just take See these elements that we've seen and makes it into something completely new, but it's also not taking anything in a way that makes it an original. So that's I think it's a 10 I'm just talking circles. I think it's 10 Yeah, man, this might be a short episode
Misha 25:18
All right store story.
Tyler 25:21
I think I
Misha 25:23
can I have no faults to point out.
Tyler 25:29
I can't think of any faults the only like little you think of. Yeah,
Misha 25:33
yeah, go ahead.
Tyler 25:34
The only the only thing I can the only thing I can think of is like a really minor thing and it's not something I didn't like it's just it's like a question a world building question kind of if what is it if there's like this customs to get from? When do they Oh SmartOS comes up and you're the spirits going to visit the ofrendas you have to go through customs and they they look at your scalp?
Misha 26:00
And see if you have a photo Yeah, why no friend?
Tyler 26:02
Why would they even need that because Hector runs by them easily but then gets stuck on the the flower bridge the marigold bridge. Why don't they just the bridge is security enough? Why did they even need this like, customs office? It was that was interesting to me. Because like he gets he gets flagged, but then he just runs past them easily. And then But then the bridge stops him because like
Misha 26:23
you can be to rub it in your face like, hey, yeah, this company? Did they're still authority in this world. And yeah, we know that nobody cares about you. Yeah, we're gonna tell you. Yeah, rather than and, you know, just for people who aren't like Hector. I feel like Hector is like a particular type of person. would be like, right to the bridge anyway, where most people would just go, like, I'm so sad. And then like, try again next year.
Tyler 26:59
Yeah. Like when we first are introduced to mama Imelda as a skeletal figure. She's like, in an office complaining that she wasn't let through. So she clearly got stopped and then went to talk to the manager doesn't go to the rich right? Whereas Hector dressed as Frida Kahlo disguises protocolo tries to make it through Oh,
Misha 27:17
okay, it's thinking of that. Did you hear when he was in the like police station and he was listing the charges in one of them was falsifying a unibrow.
Tyler 27:27
And he's like, Is that even a charge? A serious one? Yeah, serious charge. Yeah. Yeah, like so back to story. I think I can't I can't fault it. Everything is great. They also at many points, like up I mean, okay, so the fact that Hector turns out to be Miguel's relative wasn't like a massive twist to me. But it wasn't like it wasn't like it wasn't so explicitly it was boring
Misha 27:56
shall Milan twist Yeah, we don't need a
Tyler 27:59
twist for the sake of twist like the beach makes you old. But does it I haven't seen that one yet. I can't I can't even
Misha 28:06
lie I yeah, I wasn't How Did This Get Made? And I listened to that there was I don't know if I want to watch that yeah
Tyler 28:18
but yeah, there's sometimes they just up end expectations like they don't do so this story is all about like it's interesting because like you know, most of these like Pixar brave we watch recently Pixar movies and Disney movies the the moral of the story is, be yourself go the distance, like in cars to for example, the whole point of that garbage show was Mater needs to be himself and not worry about people calling him stupid and stuff. This one was like that's not the answer. Like don't chase don't chase fame like you need to care about you need to remember the people that care about you and you need to like care about them while also sticking to what you're passionate about like in the end Miguel, but not Miguel gets like
Misha 29:03
stardom and glory exact right? Yes. Because it's like something you care about. Yeah.
Tyler 29:09
So I liked that like sort of twisting to typical Pixar Disney expectations. Also, I liked how like they go to the spirit world. And it doesn't end up being about like, we'll get to this with the villain I guess, in more detail, but it it doesn't like all become all about the villain in his plan. It's still about like Miguel and family and coke and ultimately Coco and Hector. And it's just yeah, it's just so great. Oh, so
Misha 29:39
good, right? Yeah, cuz yeah,
Tyler 29:42
it wasn't like it wasn't like evanesce Delacruz like I'm this I've become this famous. I must go back to this to the material plane and take over like a weird Lich King. Shout out to DND but it's got to happen like once every other episode. That's Did you know what I mean though? Like he it could have it could have easily gone that way and been like yeah character
Misha 30:09
and that's okay right? Like yeah have
Tyler 30:12
he's villainous in his way but like it doesn't become all about the villains plan and become like, like Chicken Little tried to throw in like an alien invasion to make their their movie work and it didn't work and if they'd stopped to like family maybe that movie would have been better or if they would have just gone only alien invasion. Yeah, I mean we're gonna get into the nitty gritty of the story with all the characters we're about to talk about, but like, Yeah, I think yeah, do you have any reason to not give this a 10
Misha 30:43
No,
Tyler 30:44
I don't I can't think of one I really can't like this deserves a 10 It's like my
Misha 30:49
question was about that bell? I don't think he's just gets crushed. Blue but like, you know, how would all like somebody popped apart and all their bones?
Tyler 31:00
Julio, I think also is a awesome Mustache Club as well. That guy. Yeah.
Misha 31:04
I love that they keep their mustache hair in the app. They
Tyler 31:10
can take it off. Like sometimes they take it off to hide their faces and yeah, they can get totally obliterated but then like it put it back together. I don't think he dies. And I also don't think he's forgotten. Like, in the end he
Misha 31:24
neither do I don't think he's forgotten. Like, I bet because because if he's like a national, he's a national star. Some people will not believe the story. And I mean, so there's one point where they're walking through his palace or whatever it is. Or an Astros?
Tyler 31:43
big mansion. Yeah, in this land of the dead end.
Misha 31:46
He is like has towers, guitars and food and like all of the offerings from all of the different ofrendas and it's like, yeah, there's no way he's gonna be forgotten.
Tyler 31:55
There's no way he'll be forgotten. For those that believe the story that Hector was the true writer. He'll be remembered as the asshole that stole from him. Like he'll be remembered as the villain villains are remembered like I was. Yes. You know, just to name a couple.
Misha 32:10
Wow. Okay. I love that you're equating
Tyler 32:17
just like guys are remembered is what I mean. He's not on. He's not on the Stalin's level or Hitler level. The other reason is, because like you just said motherfuckers are not going to change their minds. Like look at fucking Trump. How much proof do we have that? That guy's a scumbag?
Misha 32:31
Oh, yeah, we okay, we need a warning at the beginning of this episode that there's that word being a trumpet
Misha 32:50
so good. Anyway, back to Coco. So one of my favorite things about the story was that all of the dead people are like, genuinely scared of Miguel because he's live and like every time he shows up, I'm like,
Tyler 33:05
Yeah, it's so great. scared of him.
Misha 33:08
It's so funny to me. It's so funny. So many funny parts. Just like
Tyler 33:13
yeah, I guess also base this is a story thing to talk about. I like that. It's named Coco. It's not. I know, like McGill's dead day or whatever. It's dead days with Miguel and Dante. It's like it's all about Coco and ultimately,
Misha 33:30
so sweet. I yah, yah, yah. Yah, she is like the, the epicenter of all of the things that are happening. Yeah, right. Like, even though Miguel is our protagonist like it everything hinges on cocoa. Yep,
Tyler 33:49
one thing I didn't find when I was trying to dive into development I didn't find the answer to why like where they decided to name it. Like cocoa I'm wondering like yeah, I'm wondering like where that came up like in the process of when they decided to maybe it was like kind of from early on. Oh, by the way speak just sorry because I just opened up a different tab and saw this again like this is again back to development stuff. Disney tried to just because we're throwing a lot of props at this movie, but we also need to remember how should he does TV sometimes they tried to trade break it up. Okay. Tried to trademark Dia de los Muertos.
Misha 34:27
Oh good in here that that's shitty because they didn't know what the name Okay. At
Tyler 34:32
the time. They didn't know what the name was going to be yet. So they were like, Let's trademark it. But then they bet they canceled that when they got a lot of flak. flak for it. Yeah, the ship. They got a lot of trumpets. Anyway. Oh, god. Yeah. So 1010 Yeah.
Misha 34:52
10 for storage where it gets a 10 Folks,
Tyler 34:55
watch this movie. Yeah. Okay. This animation
Misha 35:01
Oh boy, here we go another heavy hitter category. Okay, I want to hear what you have to Okay.
Tyler 35:08
This the only movie I can think of that. Is this beautiful. And this might be controversial with you but the only movie I can think of that is this beautiful is marijuana. And I haven't seen one in a couple months but so Coco is is like the most beautiful movie I've ever seen. I think it's
Misha 35:32
like so I have something to say. which I think will surprise you. I think this movie is more beautiful than marijuana only because I think the the the humans look better in cocoa than they do in Molana.
Tyler 35:52
Hmm, that is a good that's an interesting reason. And I would agree with you. Yeah, they look less i Yeah, they do. We've we've talked about this before. Yeah, our
Misha 36:02
I normally don't like CGI animated humans. And all of the Pixar movies. It's my least favorite part.
Tyler 36:12
Yeah, we talked about your six and what I mean with all of them. We've talked about it. Yeah. Right.
Misha 36:18
But in this I mean, every character was so beautifully animated. I like. I mean, when you look at Coco skin up close, I mean, it's like old wrinkly skin, but it's gorgeous. And it's not gross. And Coco is just, it's incredible what they like she doesn't even move that much. And there's like so much life to her. And Miguel is one of the cutest, cutest cutest, cutest cutest cutest kids ever. Like, there's just yeah, like, there's so many touches, little touches throughout. I mean, I can I wrote just a list of all of the things I was impressed with. And then realize I had to stop doing that because I would just be listing almost everything but like, even opening with the pelvic kados the beginning which are the paper cut the cut paper banners. It's just so beautiful. And the bridge, the flower petal bridge
Tyler 37:24
between the land, our land and the land of the dead. Yeah.
Misha 37:29
It's just Oh my gosh, just and when so and then another scene that really stuck out stuck out to me is when Miguel is in his hiding place, or his hideout. And he's watching TV, and they show his face and you can see the reflection of the glowing screen and his eyes when people are tearing up when we were crying the glow like the neon glow of the spirit animals. Yeah. I mean, there's so much yeah, there is just so much that is so beautiful.
Tyler 38:05
Yeah. And I did the same thing and the list is too long. But I just want to shout out a couple more like I have some more things to shout out. There was a close up on Miguel and you could see like, just see amazing animation like you can see like the peach fuzz like on the side of his face.
Misha 38:25
Oh, speaking of hair, this spirit animal, mummy and Mel does big giant cat spirit animal. There's points where you could see that whiskers and the way they curved each whisker had different lighting because of how each whisker was positioned. It just looked so real, but you're looking at this giant neon you know, fake spirit
Tyler 38:48
animal thing and the whole show.
Misha 38:51
I want to talk about I know we're gonna get to this later Dante is I was like at first like the first time I watched it, I was like, why is he such a weird looking dog? Like, and it's because it's based off of a real Mexican dog breed. I don't I know that have they call it Shola which is EXO L O. And it's a shallow eat sorry I'm gonna butcher this show eats Queen plate which is a hairless dog breed. And I looked at picture I'm like okay, yeah, Dante is like this part like the story of picking that particular breed right like the details it could have
Tyler 39:35
could have gone like they like like lame and and easy and gone with like a chihuahua or something like which would have been
Misha 39:42
yeah although somebody's oh I think it was Ernesto spirit animal was gonna
Tyler 39:47
come to you. I was like, yeah, like in a couple more like following him around. Yeah. Yeah, Dante by the way, for those that haven't seen it and push through the spoiler alert anyway, is the street dog Duck with a tongue that's constantly hanging out. And he's super cute. And one, one of the relative dead relatives describe some very specifically, which I thought was great was a like a sausage that had rolled around in a barbershop. Because it's so specific and so great. Or like a hot dog, they're rolled around as Yeah, so good.
Misha 40:20
I mean, there's with the animation. It's just incredible. Like, the whole spirit world is gorgeous. Like, it's like whimsical, and then there's parts of it that feel like a real city. Yeah. Right. And they like move through that so well, depending on what scene you're in where it is, who lives where did you notice the like, at the I think it was at the party, the like, air stream funiculars like the triple decker air stream for Nicki was like, I don't know how else to describe it. But like, it was just so whimsical and beautiful.
Tyler 40:58
Yeah. And when when they're first going over the miracle bridge to the land of the dead, you can see other miracle bridges and where they connect to the land of the dead. There are these like, terrorist pyramids, which I'm not sure if it was purposeful probably because this movie so perfectly put together but it just like was a nice nod to it like Aztec, Mexico culture, and then the Land of the Dead The how it's designed is so it's because I mean, it's just fucking genius. And I'm sure again, this is like something they plan. It's like, super vertical because people keep coming here. Like it's constantly getting new people every single minute, right? So it's like it's built in a brick a BRAC, flotsam and jetsam fashion as if, like, the Land of the Dead is just all the people showing up and like figuring out how it works and the bureaucracy is kind of slapdash. And, and it's mostly based on getting you back to see your friend does and there's not much like, you know, like, city planning. It's just like building building building which is just absolutely beautiful, so colorful. I mean, even the I mean, it's just too much to talk about, but like, yeah, even like, even Santa Cecilia, the town is beautiful and like everything's lit with candles and everything's beautiful and orange and rustic. And then like right when it gets to the land of the dead that's like nighttime, and they do this brilliant change from day to night. Yeah, with that shift from like material plane to spirit world. I mean, I could talk about the animation for like days it's just so beautiful. Yeah, yeah. And ultimately No words can do justice it's just like a thing you have to see just
Misha 42:38
go watch it Yeah, on the biggest screen you have
Tyler 42:41
even the little neighborhoods like when they go to the shanty town where the people who don't yeah remembered are and they go to see char on the the guy that they get the guitar from and played by Admiral ADAMA, Edward James Olmos. Yeah, I mean, I think it's 10 I mean, the only other movie that's yeah, that's this perfect so far has been Bambi and Bambi is perfect for different reasons. So
Misha 43:04
right. Yes, so different and both so beautiful. Yes. This gets 10
Tyler 43:10
We're on to music and sound and how you throw it over to me first, I'm gonna throw it over to you. Okay, what do you think about the music and sound? And if you say it's bad, I'm gonna throw throw myself into a fiery, fiery pit.
Misha 43:26
It's beautiful. I love the music. I mean, I don't think I would give it a 10 out of 10. Yeah, I don't think I would.
Tyler 43:41
So, the let me let's, let's break it down. There are three there are kind of three types of music in this movie. Okay, that I think we need to. There's the score Michael Giacchino, again, who did the cars to score which I personally thought was the best out of those movies. Right. And he's done other ones too, that we haven't gotten to like Ratatouille, Ratatouille, there's the saying it's the songs they are saying yeah, it's songs they sing like remember me and Poco Loco Rana. Yeah, there's the score. And then there's I mean, it's part of the score, but then there's like the I don't know what the right word for it is. But like, all the other means, like the mariachi bands and the bonda music and the trio music that's like happening. That's not like the composer doing it but it's like
Misha 44:27
oh, other characters playing music. Yeah, the movie right? Yeah, so it's
Tyler 44:32
like original songs like remember me it's like the the Mexican inspired music and like folklore, music, so
Misha 44:39
I guess I wouldn't give it a 10 out of 10 because I'm being subjective. Like that's my subjective feelings coming into it. Why What if there was a first song Good eight. Can you remind me what there was one song at the beginning and then the end? Credit song which was remember me I wasn't too crazy about I don't like
Tyler 45:05
I don't like the remember me that's like the pop version pop version. Yeah, I don't like that one
Misha 45:10
with that right neither Neither did I. So that's what I'm saying it's like that
Tyler 45:14
that could take it down a little bit yeah so in the beginning it's but they do something genius here in the beginning remember me comes up as a like show tune in arnesto dela Cruz's version, which is like remember me and it's like the when he when he dies, right and he's it's like a Vegas show. But then we later get it retold from Hector's version and it's like the song about Coco. And it's just brilliant how they do that. Honestly, it's not not my favorite original song. I think like, I think I can think of a couple other ones that that are much stronger. I
Misha 45:47
love the music but right I think it wasn't. Overall. That's it's like, it doesn't it doesn't hit me the same way some songs do. But then I feel like I don't know, you know what the problem is? It's the whole thing is music based, right? Like this is a movie about music. So to me, it's like every bit has to be 10 out of 10, which it isn't. And so I'm like judging it a little bit harsher because the ones that hit hard are so good. They have ones that just sort of fall
Tyler 46:21
flat. Which one other than the final and credits version of remember me what didn't? What didn't you like? Give me a second?
Misha 46:30
So maybe I'm just misremembering, I thought, whatever list Fine, give it whatever you want. undo everything I said, No.
Tyler 46:39
Well, I don't I'm fine with not giving it a 10 based on the final song because we have shit on other movies further so we need to be fair. Yeah, yeah, we need to be fair. It's not it's it's just too sappy. Like it's already assembly song, but it's listened
Misha 46:55
to, in the most, like, emotional way, right? Like it was so touching and fitting and perfect. I wish there was a different song at the end just totally a totally different song at the end rather than replaying it Poppy. Because to me like that is so it's like the most important song of the whole movie. And that when you watch Miguel singing it with Coco. That's That's it. Don't redo it just with pop stars. That kind of bothers me. It's like
Tyler 47:30
yeah, like, and they they put out a music video with that pop version too. But nicely, I think as far as I remember at the Oscars, it was Kyle Garcia Bernal performing I think I can't remember now. I think they went they stripped it down in the Oscars performance. I think it won the Oscars. Well, for Best Original Song. Song is beautiful. It's a beautiful song. It's not my favorite, like more contemporary Disney or Pixar song. But it's not even like the strongest, but it does hit and it hits hard. Well, it's
Misha 48:02
because when
Tyler 48:04
you listen to it, yeah, that exactly. He listened to it alone, it would be a little, a little bit more bass. That's
Misha 48:09
what I mean, I guess. Um,
Tyler 48:11
but the but the score, I would listen to that, like all time because it's absolutely beautiful. Just got back to
Misha 48:20
there memorable enough, but nothing felt like. This is the song that I'm like, I want to keep singing that I can't stop listening to because they're so important to the story. And it's like, you can't pull apart the music from the story. What I want with a really good soundtrack, or like with the music of a movie is to be like, Yep, I'm going to just listen to this later. And sing it. Yeah. And, you know, back to talking about marijuana. Like that's what I think about malanez music. Like everyone's singing the music afterwards.
Tyler 49:02
Yeah. And like frozen too, is like is right. So some things that everybody is
Misha 49:07
mean like these. The music is gorgeous and flawless. But it's not like the top of dela Crimea, right. So it's not that there's anything wrong with it. It's just, you know, I'm still singing Cinderella songs. They're very simple. They're very effective. They're not really intertwined with the story. They're not emotionally charged the way this music isn't cocoa. But it like triggers something in us as animals that listen to music. You know what I mean? Like that's what I mean by it's I don't think it should get a 10
Tyler 49:43
Yeah, I I agree with you there. I just, I just don't think it should go below nine. I agree. I'm not also just another Yeah, no, I know. I know. And also another shout out to the fact that they like went to Mexico and they got like real Different not just it wasn't just mariachi they got like different types of Mexicans or different regional musics and professionals from Mexico to play it and
Misha 50:07
animation to music crossover category, which I'm just talking about now. When anyone was playing the guitar, including Miguel at the beginning, this is when I looked it up when they like, have a close up shot of him, like strumming and fingering the notes. I looked up, is that accurate? Because I don't I don't know enough about playing the guitar to know. And what they did is they actually had artists perform those songs and then recorded them. Yeah, so they can match the animation to exactly how they are supposed to be played. And I thought that was pretty cool. And like, again, like the intent, like, just the attention given to this movie. All of the little things. It's like, yeah,
Tyler 50:54
all the small things as blink 182 but say, Oh, the Okay, so music and sound nine. Oh, sorry. Actually really quick before we move on. The sound effects. Amazing. This movie all the clinky clinky skeletons and
Misha 51:06
the bones like the rattling of the bones. Yes. Excellent. So good. Yeah, so good. Yeah, I mean,
Tyler 51:13
so also just the score stinging the write it like, like Adding to the tension and adding to the emotion. Not the original songs, but the score itself. Excellent. Nine out of 10 protagonist. Now I You already said this, like he's the cutest kid. He's so cute. I love I love Miguel. I don't think he deserves like, I can't believe like this movie is just wrecking our scoring system. I was gonna say I can't believe I can't. I don't think he deserves a 10. But I love him. I just don't think he's perfect. I don't think he is a perfect protagonist. Partly because the movies like maybe probably because of the way they frame the movie. It's ultimately not about him that much. But I mean, of course it's about him. But it's like, you know, deep down, it's about something bigger than him. I love him. I really love him. And I love like his little bratty 12 year old attitude like 10 temper tantrums. I love his change and how he grows up. It's part vitamins part is this was real. Yeah, and I don't think vitamins are real.
Misha 52:29
Yeah. Well, now I'll give it a shot.
Tyler 52:31
Yeah, he's, he's brave. He's stubborn. He's caring. He, he learns and like he caring and so sweet. He ultimately sacrifices music when he when? When Yeah, I mean, without knowing that in the end, he's gonna get the best of both worlds and get music and families but
Misha 52:50
nope. Family. I understand. I've learned it's family first. Like, I see what you were talking about how being so passionate about something can ruin what's actually important. Yeah, just family. And I love that he celebrates, immediately, like, celebrates that Hector is his great, great grandfather instead. Like, because they were like mad at each other the whole time and realizes that and then immediately, it's just like, Yeah, I'm
Tyler 53:22
here for it. Yeah, he doesn't like
Misha 53:25
but like as children are terrible and do love materialistic things and think like, you know, oh, this is the coolest thing ever, like money and all these items from LAO friend does and like Yeah, I mean,
Tyler 53:42
I just think he's He is perfect in his like, flaws and his wrinkles and his like his dimples and his clean cheeks. Oh, yeah.
Misha 53:53
Yeah, well, no double dip. Ah,
Tyler 53:56
yeah. I just don't think he's like a 10 out of 10. But I think he's like, he's a great protagonist. He's he's, I mean, I would I propose a 910 I'm good with a nine. Yeah, yeah. So cute. Are you do you think he should be a 10? or No? Okay. Yeah, I don't I think he's just not quite 10 level we haven't had a 10 per tank and I don't know who would be like yeah, I don't so compared to like, like, yeah, like I mean, we're agreed so we don't need to like deep dig into it even when we're
Misha 54:30
just for example, preparing to like highest rank people, agonist though.
Tyler 54:34
He is our highest rank. Yeah. And I think he he deserves it because like, and I think it's just also partly because the movies serving him really well. Like for example, the people that are close to his age like Max goof Maratha in Brave Alice and Alice in Wonderland, kind of although I think she might be a little younger. But anyway, like those like pre teens and teens like I think Miguel is just like the sweetest one out of all of them. And you can even throw Aladdin in there because Aladdin 16 He's doing the teen stuff that teens are known for. But not to the point where like, you're kind of put away
Misha 55:15
or you're, you're still rooting for him the entire time.
Tyler 55:21
Yeah, because like with Max, we love him. He's Mexico. But like, I max, I mean, he's, but he's also like, a bit too much of a 90s teen. Like, and he's like, Max is the type of kid that like, if he were, if he were in a certain situation, he would tease you to get attention and be pop. Yeah. Whereas like, I don't think Miguel would go that far. I mean, maybe that's just a weird way to compare. The 90s were horrible, especially in American middle schools, and junior High's so Anyway, moving on sidekick. I think there are two of them. Or are we going to extend this to like all the skeleton family that?
Misha 56:04
No, I don't think so. I think they're supporting characters.
Tyler 56:09
It's like Hector, and Dante the Dante The Show Low dog cat. I
Misha 56:14
love both of them.
Tyler 56:15
Dante is so great. I love Oh, this is the thing I was gonna mention earlier and you were probably gonna bring it up too. I love that they bring up the idea that like animals can see both worlds. It's just such a great that's that's something that's has been in cultures where all the cats can see ghosts and yeah, like then like, dogs can hear earthquakes or whatever. But I
Misha 56:36
just like how my pets can do anything. Yeah, Joanne
Tyler 56:39
can't hear anything. So especially about the other cat that's like right behind that
Misha 56:45
I felt a hand on my back. This is a true story. I thought I felt a hand on my back and it felt like somebody's actual hand and fingers. And for a split second. I was like, oh, Steve, and I turned around. Nobody was there. And I was like, Wait, he isn't home. So the first thing I did was look to Simon and Bilbo to be like, Hey, you guys see something? No, there was like what? Like, okay, who touched me? Yeah, and our
Tyler 57:12
apartment Well, before we move this apartment, when it gets really windy it's got bad insulation or bad whatever you call the window sealing thing sealant things. So we'd like howls like like banshees in here. And the cats the cat that can hear doesn't give a shit like he's not on alert for ghosts. were nice to me because he knows it's not a ghost. What's like the ghost that cried wolf. You know, the ghosts keep saying I'm coming but they don't show up. So the cats like well, whatever. Maybe it's
Misha 57:41
a different pitch. Oh, you're too stupid to know the difference between ghosts and wind? You know? Was he a smarter than you?
Tyler 57:48
That's true. I mean, not the second part, but the first part. I'm an idiot, but Nessie is definitely not smarter than me. Dante is great. I love Dante and I love his clumsy. Hector is great too. I like how Hector's I don't know if this was Hector's heads never like on properly and I wonder if that was like, I wonder if that's like because his head was ripped out of that picture. You know? Oh, if that was like the reason I did
Misha 58:21
that. That's so clever. If they that's what it was. Yeah,
Tyler 58:26
I mean, that might be like I might be like Mulder in X Files mold or like digging.
Misha 58:33
The part where I forget what happened to lead to this but some things either startled or scared Hector and his eyes or he got annoyed or so they get His eyes rolled so far back into his head. They fell into it. Yeah.
Tyler 58:46
It's when Miguel first mentioned that Ernesto Dela Cruz was his great great grandfather. Okay, great, great. Great Grandfather. Great, great grandfather. Yeah, great. Yeah, grandfather. Yeah, in the phone booth. Yeah. Awesome. Another sorry. Just jumping back to animation. Like I like to all the technology in the land of the dead was dead technology like typewriters, like shitty old computers. So great. Like, ever all the little like skull touches on every piece of architecture. Anyway. side kicks. They were they were great. They were like, carpet and Genie territory, I think. Yeah,
Misha 59:25
I think so too. There's really no
Tyler 59:30
I could have used more Hector a little bit to be honest. Like I think Dante is in it on a good amount. And anyhow, he might be Yeah, yeah. might be too annoying. I did kind of want Dante to be the one that because back to your story summary. When Ernesto Dela Cruz is outed to his fans that he was the murderer he he like Lannister style throws Miguel off the top of their building and down tries to catch him but then can no
Misha 1:00:01
I like that he couldn't he like slow down his fault but his little quickly. And of course, of course,
Tyler 1:00:09
I he's
Misha 1:00:11
a brilliant spirit. He's still trying to figure out, frankly wings if they made Dante do it, it would have been not believable.
Tyler 1:00:18
Yeah, you're right. I just I just when I first watched it, I was like they're giving this flying battle cat. Too much to do, even though it is really cool, but it just it didn't have any. It's cool. It's very cool. But it doesn't have Dante is it
Misha 1:00:33
reflects? Well, it doesn't. But it reflects how tough mama Melda is, right? She's been there a long time. Her spirit animal has had a lot of time. She's a badass, and she's cool. And she's awesome. And so is her spirit animal. And, you know, Miguel is kind of new. And he's unsure of himself because he's young, and he's still figuring out his role with his family and his music. And so Dante's a little reflection of that, like, I'm a little confused. I'm new in this world. I got crinkly little wings, and I can't carry, Miguel. Yeah,
Tyler 1:01:07
that's a perfect explanation. I didn't even because I'm an idiot. I didn't even think that the reason? That was sort of a question mark, like, Why does Dante flip to a spirit? It's because it's because Miguel is in there, and he's turning into his spirits. Dante what as well, yeah, that
Misha 1:01:22
makes sense. Then, like, you know, or Nestos little chihuahuas, like, they're not good for much except show. Yeah, right. Good point. Yeah. So
Tyler 1:01:32
yeah. Okay. I agree with that. I did. I did want a bit more like Hector, but he's in it a bunch of maybe that I'm wrong. Yeah. I think they're really good. I don't hesitate to give them. I agree. I think it's a solid. They're solid nine, maybe, like, if we had quickfires. It might be eight,
Misha 1:01:52
it should be eight. And the reason why is because they're great, but not iconic. Yeah, I felt like Hector, in death seems quite different from Hector in life. And that kind of like, I don't know, if it's because he died early. And we just didn't get to see you know, like, if we didn't see enough. But like, in the human retelling, like, telling what happened to him. He just seemed very different.
Tyler 1:02:29
Like, my guess is he gets like, crazy and desperate because his life was stolen from him. Yeah, just like, but he didn't notice now they can change. Well, he knows that his career was stolen from him, because they're Nestos. They're singing the songs.
Misha 1:02:41
Oh, yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Right. Right. Right. Right. And he knows that he knows. Yes. And yes, yeah. That everyone's
Tyler 1:02:47
forgotten him except for Cocoa. Yeah, so I could see how that would affect a person because even like CHEETARA on who's like, you know, in his hammock filled with soup cans, like, it's just awesome. Yeah. He's like, a grouch. Like, he probably wasn't always a grow. Well, maybe he was. I don't know. I feel like people's personalities can check email does like the same. Like a lot of people's personalities are sort of the same, but
Misha 1:03:10
he just seemed like, so.
Tyler 1:03:13
So, yes, so what's his name from Mary Poppins?
Misha 1:03:18
Take Van Dyck VanDyke.
Tyler 1:03:19
So Dick Van Dyke, kind of in the spirit world, and yeah,
Misha 1:03:24
but then like, yeah, so.
Tyler 1:03:26
Okay. I think eight works.
Misha 1:03:29
Okay. I'm sorry. No, it's
Tyler 1:03:32
okay. That's fine.
Misha 1:03:33
I think maybe I'm beat just to I feel like maybe I'm being tortured. It's okay. It's Disney. They can handle it. Okay.
Tyler 1:03:42
I'm going to jump back again to animation real quick. Did you notice that when Miguel was running through in the beginning of the movie when he was running to get to the plaza to look at Ernesto Dela Cruz a statue and we get introduced to Dante on the way and Miguel is like, you know, air guitaring with the mariachi band and he like plays drums on something. Did you notice the thing that he played drums on? I noticed that the second time I did not notice it the first time for obvious reasons. He drums on little spirit animal toys, like the the actual
Misha 1:04:11
Oh, cute. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Are they clear? Would I
Tyler 1:04:17
think there can be I think they can be both I think yeah, also, I didn't know this until I watched the movie. They they aren't there's no actual like spirit, animal mythology based on these celebrity haze. They were like a pretty recent 20th century invention. There wasn't like the the spirit side of that the spirit guide thing was a movie invention. So that was like completely original. Oh, did not know that.
Misha 1:04:43
I didn't know that. Yeah, interesting.
Tyler 1:04:47
Apparently, my research could be wrong as well. So if anyone listening it knows more. Please shank shout out. Cuz it wasn't like catoca wattle and like, you know, right. Yeah, you No like mythical creatures that was like a artists from the 1930s made them after like a fever dream or something like that. Oh, which is also super interesting. Yeah.
Misha 1:05:09
Well, maybe they are real and came to this artists because they were like, okay, nobody's talking about yes.
Tyler 1:05:20
Yeah. And that artists also knew Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo because they used to buy figurines figures. I mean, we haven't even talked about Frida Kahlo in this movie haven't even talked about the weird creepy papaya thing that is awesome
Misha 1:05:34
and the cactus with her cactus that is also heard of the papaya crawling up to cactus free to kala like, yeah,
Tyler 1:05:41
I when I when I first when she first well, when we first see Hector is Frieda as right I'm like, oh, har har. But also nice respect. But then when she actually shows up the first thought I was like, Do we really need to do this, but then actually meet her
Misha 1:05:59
wonderful, hilarious spectacle. And like I love that the audience is also when they're watching the performance that she puts on. They're just like, What is this?
Tyler 1:06:11
It's so great in she's like, she's so wonderful. She's such an inspiration so I don't I don't know if I would have still love it when I if I watched it today because maybe it's too corny or whatever. But I fucking love that Salma Hayek. Frida Kahlo movie was so good. Oh, I
Misha 1:06:28
haven't seen it. So good. Next category.
Tyler 1:06:31
Ernesto Dela Cruz
Misha 1:06:35
is like perfectly done, but not like he's going to write home about Yeah,
Tyler 1:06:41
he's and maybe this is because he doesn't have a big role in the plot, which I think was a strength. Yes,
Misha 1:06:48
I do too.
Tyler 1:06:49
But he comes off a little. I mean, they. Yeah, they do him perfectly, though. They're like his version of remember me is great. He's in this perfect in the movie. He's not going back. Perfect. For what? Yeah, they are trying to do he's just not like a villain with a capital V. Yeah, we're talking. We're talking scar. We're talking Ursula. We're talking too far. Even though like we had some issues with Ursula. We're talking even copper in A Bug's Life like, yeah, some iconic bad guys with moments to really chew the scenery and like the stepmother, the stepmother, my favorite so far. Yeah, I still think we did it wrong.
Misha 1:07:30
It was okay. Because he's also like, not a villain. Like he's a villain the whole time. But we do not perceive him as a villain for a big part of it. And it's just sort of like, he's okay. Yeah.
Tyler 1:07:47
Yeah, if anything from the beginning, we're like, Oh, this guy ran out on his family. And he's a dick. But But like, but in the beginning, we're looking from the do a smart thing. And they're like, you know, even if objectively we say like, Well, yeah, he like, left a is child and wife for fame. That super shitty, but we don't. I mean, it's clever. We see it through Miguel's eyes were like, he followed his dream. Right. And then we realized that like that, you know, that's a nasty illusion. Right? Yeah.
Misha 1:08:19
Yeah, definitely the story that gets the points. Exactly, necessarily the villain.
Tyler 1:08:26
Yeah, he's, um, he's like, fine. Okay, somewhere in the middle, I should
Misha 1:08:30
say like a six. And not that he's too low. Too high. Too low.
Tyler 1:08:36
So I was think I was thinking five.
Misha 1:08:39
Wow. Yeah, too. Low controversy. Controversy inside. I want to put him on the good side of middle controversy.
Tyler 1:08:46
Okay, I'm fine with the six. I'm fine with the six. This is this is like,
Misha 1:08:53
I love when I tried to get your reaction to high to low. Yeah.
Tyler 1:08:59
Yeah. And then I'm like, Yeah, that's fine. Well, because I'm the world's worst Hagler. I don't know she's a friend of the show. But my friend Katie that I studied in China was she could attest to how bad I am at haggling. And also shout out to her haggling skills if she's listening but yeah, like six is fine. Okay, five or six I'm fine with going to six because heck this movies yeah
Misha 1:09:24
these really good
Tyler 1:09:28
henchmen. This is a one and there's a one there are no henchmen. Oh. It's always gonna get there's gonna be signed out. There's always
Misha 1:09:39
gonna be something Yeah.
Tyler 1:09:43
So I'm gonna lead now this I think is you know what I'm going to say is should get points because this is a band. This is like Bambi and this like the leaders in this community are the women. Mama Imelda is a leader Abuelita as a leader, she's an antagonist.
Misha 1:10:03
I love mama Melda. Yeah, fuckin badass. Yeah. And it's like super badass. Yeah, it is. Absolutely, yeah, I will lead to mama Melda are the ones that are, like, pushing for strong family values. And that's what this whole movie is about. I
Tyler 1:10:19
think it should get some points. I think it should get more points than at least tie with Bambi? Because it's
Misha 1:10:28
a three because A Bug's Life are that are the actual leaders of a colony? Yeah. But, um, as much as.
Tyler 1:10:42
Yeah, because yeah, it's not just like moms and how they're important. Like in Bambi. It's like that plus. Like, they she mama Melda. grew that, like made and grew the business and
Misha 1:10:56
then like, oh, yeah, the whole ship business, everything that they have. Yeah.
Tyler 1:11:01
And she's the one that Miguel has to deal with to try to get what he was saying. Yeah. So you think it should be three? Not four? Yeah. Okay. bipoc representation slash portrayal. Listen,
Misha 1:11:16
I'll listen. Okay. Latinx, Latino, Latina cast. Many.
Tyler 1:11:24
A couple of them Chicano. Chicana. Might be the word they want to use. But yeah, like all of them's Well, the
Misha 1:11:30
principal candidates Mexican? No, no, I'm
Tyler 1:11:32
saying just like, I know, like a couple of them. That's the term that they want to use. I was just throwing that word in there as well with Latinos and Latinos. Anyway.
Misha 1:11:42
Yeah. Which I don't think we've seen so far. Where the cast represents for the most part. The story? Yeah. That is not just white, like white Americans. It's incredible. And it's I
Tyler 1:12:02
I didn't remember the details. I said something or I said it earlier, but I don't I didn't get it exactly. Because I wasn't looking at it. With a cost of between 175 to $225 million. It's the first film with a nine figure budget to feature an all Latino principal cast. So first, like, what a good budget movie with like, full.
Misha 1:12:26
And that they tried really hard to make it accurate. Yes. And that I appreciate. It's not just, Oh, we're gonna make this racist movie about Mexican family and have Mexican actors doing these racist things. Right. Like, it's it? Yeah, I think it's excellent. I think this is what movies need to
Tyler 1:12:50
try to do. Yeah. Yeah. Show respect. Wish it was that you
Misha 1:12:55
can directors and like, yeah, or Mexican American. That's the only thing it's like, use
Tyler 1:13:01
the CO directors, I think. The guy not the main director, the Pixar. Rich. Yeah. The Adrian Molina, who was I think, credited as the co director and CO screenwriter. He is, I think, now I could be wrong. I think he's, uh, I think he's of Mexican descent. But anyway, you're right. Yeah. This is like the this is like,
Misha 1:13:29
right. He is of Mexican descent. Yeah, right. Molina,
Tyler 1:13:32
but but the other dude Lee on courage is great. Like, this is a good example of like, okay, I, I want to tell the story. I want to respect the culture. Let me get people that know it to help me write this. And he good. Yeah. Yeah.
Misha 1:13:50
It's like, yeah, saying you're doing it wrong. And they go think about it. Yeah,
Tyler 1:13:55
he puts in the work. And he, you know, he wants to respect it. I mean,
Misha 1:13:59
I love it. I don't think that there's a problem with this. I like, tried to read about how it was received by like, the Mexican community, Mexican American community, like not that it's just one, you know, homogenous group of people. But yeah, it was well received. I'm not Mexican or Mexican American. But from what I could tell, it was like, people were really happy to be represented too. Because, like, like I said, you know, like, what my movie is fucking Aladdin, which is just races. Right. And like, that's the closest thing I've got. And so I can't even imagine if I were a kid who never seen anything, and they made this movie as beautiful as Coco as accurate as Coco. about India. Or, I mean, I haven't seen it yet. Maybe this will be my look at my feet by my Italian movie, but like You know, have you seen Luke?
Tyler 1:15:03
I have not seen Luke here. Because it came out after I think it came out after we started this. Oh, yeah, me too. I'm
Misha 1:15:09
waiting movies. I've
Tyler 1:15:09
been like waiting. Yeah, me too. I've heard mixed reviews without like, ripping into about
Misha 1:15:16
Italian enough. Or just in general mix just in general. Oh, I've heard very good things. Okay. Everybody keeps telling me to watch it before we get to it. Anyway, yet for bipoc representation.
Tyler 1:15:34
First off, there was a movie of this we can cut this out. It might have been Cinderella, but there was a movie we watch race and I was like this should yeah, I think it was Cinderella. Like this. If this isn't already in a property as it should be a Bollywood there should be a Bollywood version. Like there shouldn't be a Bollywood
Misha 1:15:50
resident Cinderella like there needs there probably is. I'm damn sure there. Bollywood steals every movie
Tyler 1:15:57
has been made in America. A Bollywood Cinderella would be so good. Listen,
Misha 1:16:03
I want a Bollywood Lord of the Rings. A Bollywood Lord of the Rings is to like 10 days long. Three days like Amitabh
Tyler 1:16:12
Amitabh Bachchan to be Gandalf or sour mon you'd be good Sam on to Why
Misha 1:16:18
are you still alive doing this? I don't know. Well, then
Tyler 1:16:21
Shahrukh Khan as a Boromir
Misha 1:16:29
oh boy, okay.
Tyler 1:16:32
2021 Or is Cinderella. Okay. 2021 So it just came out. Okay. Oh,
Misha 1:16:42
it's it's a Tamil. Okay. It's not Bollywood. It's time
Tyler 1:16:45
to have fun with that. Final Tollywood what does this get?
Misha 1:16:52
I mean, it's a 10. Okay, good. Yeah. Just,
Tyler 1:16:56
I'm tired of shitting on movies for this category. And it's nice to see.
Misha 1:17:00
Yeah, I agree. Okay, good. I think it's it is a 10 out of 10. That
Tyler 1:17:04
I can't think, Okay, I can't think of a way to make it better. So
Misha 1:17:08
yeah, me too. I'm like, really happy about that. This exists.
Tyler 1:17:12
But if anyone has a shout out, like if anyone's like, I mean, other than the obvious like, get a byproduct director, obviously. Fun Factor.
Misha 1:17:23
So fun movie. Really fun.
Tyler 1:17:25
It's also not fun. What? Oh, when you're crying when everybody's crying? Yeah, it's like, I don't think this is a 10 out of 10 fun, because it's like, mostly hitting you in the gut with emotion.
Misha 1:17:36
Only parts of the time.
Tyler 1:17:39
But I you know, I don't think it's a 10 out of 10 fun factor. I think maybe like eight or nine. Yeah, eight,
Misha 1:17:44
I would say. Okay, yeah. Yeah, cuz I mean, it's very sweet,
Tyler 1:17:49
Goofy Movie.
Misha 1:17:51
What did that get? 10 Well, that got a dead. Yeah, that's a fun, because it's like their problems are so light that it's like you can sort of just get through it. Yeah. Like, okay, here's an example when we get to up not a fun movie. Most of it. Excellent, but not a fun. Yeah. Yeah, like Inside Out nervous watching it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know how I feel about that? Yeah, get through it. Yeah, I couldn't the first time I tried it and I am not going to give it a high fun score. Yeah, okay. Eight, just because it's so sad sometimes. Yeah,
Tyler 1:18:27
I think and but like the whole the Land of the Dead is super fun and super colorful. Yeah,
Misha 1:18:32
the thing is, it's like, when it's fun. It's 10 out of 10. But there are parts that are just so sad. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 1:18:48
Okay, awesome. doesn't sit right there. I don't there's nothing in this. That doesn't sit right with me. Yeah,
Misha 1:18:54
I don't think it should lose any points. Okay, yeah. Zero effervescence. All right. This is fucking effervesce. I
Tyler 1:19:02
think it gets to 10 masses like this. Yeah, I think there's like an instant classic. That will be a classic in will look back on this. This
Misha 1:19:14
is a 10
Tyler 1:19:15
I don't think this is a 10 Okay, maybe maybe my heart is speaking. I don't think this is a 10
Misha 1:19:20
I think this is an eight or nine I don't think it's the full and why I'm saying that is because in the land of the dead, is where I want to feel some more of that like sappy emotional stuff to me like the heart and the magic combined, but they're separated into real world heart and Dead World Magic. So I didn't ever get the full effect of I don't know, I'm just thinking of like,
Tyler 1:19:59
I don't know I don't totally agree because like when Miguel and Hector first realize that their family yeah, yeah. All right. I mean, literally they don't have hearts because they're just skeletal skellies. But
Misha 1:20:11
yeah.
Tyler 1:20:14
I mean, I agree with you that it's I spoke too quickly. My heart was on my sleeve. 10 is probably too right, because it's not like a 10
Misha 1:20:21
is too high. I think a nine is okay. But it's yeah, it should be. This is a perfect Disney magic score. Okay. I think it's very high. I'm not saying that it doesn't. But I don't think it's
Tyler 1:20:36
the most perfect. So let's look at what got an eight what got an eight. Alison Wonderland. Wonderland. So this Yeah. Is this more or less? The same? Maybe not? I would say a nine. I was gonna say maybe an eight.
Misha 1:20:55
Same. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah.
Tyler 1:20:58
I don't know. I mean, I'd love to give it a nine. But I gotta, I gotta rein myself in here. Let's go eight. Because it's, it's because my heart is saying higher. But. But
Misha 1:21:13
that's what this is. Right? So it's part of it. It's like, how does it touch you? Yeah, on the inside, but
Tyler 1:21:18
we're supposed to be cold calculating scientists looking at the heart tugging in that direction from like, inside a Petri dish. So maybe we got to be a little ruthless and go to eight. You know, the
Misha 1:21:28
other thing is, I think of the mat like the Disney effervescence of supporting characters. Yeah, on their own. And that to me is a big part of what
Tyler 1:21:44
yeah, that's like what gives doing this correctly? No, no, yeah. That's like, what gives beauty in the beast. It's effervescence and Cinderella and
Misha 1:21:50
right. Yeah, yeah. And the supporting characters are not it. That's not exactly what does it? Yeah. It's the world itself that we're seeing. And this end, Mama Coco? I don't know. Maybe I'm just being too hard. Maybe I'm not making any sense.
Tyler 1:22:12
No, no, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm agreeing with you now that it should be near that it should be lower than 10. And I would say even go down to eight because it's like, yeah, I personally would watch Coco again before watching Alice in Wonderland again, but on, but they're both like sort of equally. Like hitting that. I mean, in my mind, like, I feel like a lot of people disagree with this, but equally, hitting that, like, Hey, this is how it was never mix of like Disney magic and whimsy and seriousness, how I would describe it.
Misha 1:22:45
For some movies, it's like a slow build to an intense, emotional magical crescendo. And the scene, there are a couple of scenes that come close to that, but they're kind of like, they are competing with a lot of other things. So when Hector and Miguel realized are related, when Miguel and Coco are singing together, but they're not at it's it never feels like it's the full power of magic. That's pulling that that's, to me, it's the more mundane things that are creating that rather than the magical you know what I'm saying? So like, in Cinderella Well, Cinderella is like what create almost what created this category animal friends. The Fairy Godmother but it's like it's like the magic that's sort of moving it along. I mean, I think I think of Beauty and the Beast there's parts where it's just like you get so swept up in a particular moment. Like there's a swelling of of magic, right? With this. It was like a swelling of emotion that is very real emotion. And it to me those are different things. Yeah,
Tyler 1:24:03
I think this category like the way that we originally defined it, you know, like in my I'm putting on my nerd social scientists classes is like dark times idea of like what society is it's more than a sum of its parts. There's like that yeah, magical thing like what some people would call like, you know, religion maybe in some places that like hold society together. And so Cinderella is a 10 because even though it's not like the strongest story or whatever, it's got that beyond the story and beyond like the problems with it, it's got that that yeah, that that you know, for lack of a better term Disney magic was Coco, maybe the it's not a problem but like Pixar is approach is like always more like couch and like mortal and human. Like so over all the pieces of cocoa come together in this magical spirit world but like it's ultimately very human whereas like There's this like otherworldly thing to Beauty and the Beast into Cinderella that it's not just because they're like classical or being nostalgic. It's like, it's there. Yeah, but I think it is their cocoa. It's just not maybe not
Misha 1:25:14
realizing now I'm a music is a big part of for me what makes me feel swept up and like, have the feeling of this magic wash over me. And the songs are all beautiful, but none of them do that crescendo where it's like, this big overwhelming like magics like, like, I'm fluttering you know, and it's I'm sad. I'm enjoying myself. It's excellent. But I don't feel like it's like washing over me like a wave. Yeah. And that, to me is what how I feel with getting swept up in the Disney Magic. Does that make sense?
Tyler 1:25:54
I think so. No,
Misha 1:25:55
that makes sense. I
Tyler 1:25:56
think there are moments like that. Like, my first instinct was yeah, this movie is there. But I was just I was being too,
Misha 1:26:03
but sustained the whole time. Right? Because it's gorgeous. When you set the bar for the movie at gorgeous throughout every second of the movie, there's no like, yeah, it's hard to find that. Yes. Well,
Tyler 1:26:18
it's like the one moment I think that like really hits the the there is one moment that is maybe definitively a 10 out of 10 Maybe 11. But it's like the rest of the movie can't match it constantly. Like you said, Okay, it's overload but like when they first get to the spirit bridge and then see the world of the dead. That's like yes, that's yeah, that's 10 out of eight. And
Misha 1:26:40
so I'm not saying it doesn't get any points. But that's what it's like,
Tyler 1:26:44
but it can't keep that. Yeah, you're right. Yeah,
Misha 1:26:46
but to me that's also like part of the animation. Not necessarily Yeah, the Disney Magic, right? I don't know. Maybe I'm being hard on it. Okay,
Tyler 1:26:55
I don't think so. I think I think you've you've strong armed you convinced me No, no, you you haven't strong army. You've just convinced me and I agree with you completely. I do think like if we're gonna go eight or nine that I think eight makes more sense.
Misha 1:27:09
Okay. I'm sorry.
Tyler 1:27:11
My heart wants to say nine sorry, Coco, but eight so that's the thing like yeah, that said, looking at these numbers. I think it's still gonna be a politician.
Misha 1:27:21
I think we've made let's see, I think we may have a new lead Yeah. Holy shit.
Tyler 1:27:30
Holy shit. Yeah. Other
Misha 1:27:32
move we've done out of the park
Tyler 1:27:35
water waterpark out of the out of the water park. Water Park, folks shifts. The worm burner in the score bag and out of the water Parker goes that
Misha 1:27:46
was disgusting. Coco everybody 92 So last week Cinderella was our front runner at 72 This is 20 points better oh yeah wow wow. Yeah.
Tyler 1:28:02
And hey, I mean if you haven't seen it go see it and i If you don't agree let us know you can email us at much Abu about [email protected] and tell us what you think maybe stop being such a dummy also. Maybe don't be a Doink or racist or racist if that's why you're like it I don't know. Something like that. It got a full 80 points higher than Christmas deservedly so. Yeah. I mean, yeah. It's it's got it's got almost it all. It's got pretty close to it all. Yeah. Wow. Email us. Or get in touch on Instagram. Twitter at much abou pod. Follow us there and you didn't say what our email said he said much Abu about [email protected] Oh,
Misha 1:28:55
whoops. Did that listening? If you liked the show, consider writing us a review on your podcast app if you can. And tell
Tyler 1:29:06
them don't have it. I think but yeah.
Misha 1:29:09
Tell a friend tell two friends tell family member don't tell children don't tell. Good extreme Christians mean okay, let me take out the good. Don't tell extreme Christians who don't like swearing
Tyler 1:29:21
actually. And you know what, the another thing that is really quick at the death here. This is really what they did here is very interesting, because this is a movie that is like so culturally specific, but also like they made an afterlife that is like, beautiful and like, I can't see. I mean, someone could be offended. But I mean, it's just so interesting what they did that I feel like someone who's not Christian or like, you know, whatever could look at this and be like, Okay, I find value in this. Like, it's so specific. And then so original and interesting and in fantasy ask. And then also like, I don't know, I just sorry, I'm not articulating that very well, but like, I just if someone was watching this, like that's not where that's not my Jesus land then like they can do our big task. I know but when you said made me think of that extra thing. Got it?
Misha 1:30:20
Oh, that's because they're racist. Assholes. Put
Tyler 1:30:24
it at your stinkle You jerk one. Yeah. Click a periscope stinkface
Misha 1:30:33
Hi. And there's
Tyler 1:30:37
no pops in my head. Okay, the next step next week is a movie called Dinosaur, which I think was part of it. I think it was an early effort at CG. Oh, no. And I don't think it did very well. So we'll be So folks if you if you're more a fan of our episodes where we hate the movie,
Misha 1:30:57
we don't know. Hey, you don't know. Maybe it's coming. Get a 93 We don't know.
Tyler 1:31:02
I said hey, maybe, maybe it's coming. Dinosaur might be the first
Misha 1:31:07
10 We'll see no idea.
Tyler 1:31:10
Anyway, until next thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. Bye, everybody.