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Tyler 00:00
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Misha 00:27
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing we review rate and I do say enjoy animated Disney films going in alphabetical order using a comprehensive scoring system that we made up based on absolutely nothing. I'm Misha, and I'm
Tyler 00:45
Tyler. And this week we are looking at 1950s Cinderella which I was actually surprised when I saw that year because I thought it was earlier than that. Yeah, it's the classic Cinderella that you all know. And maybe you love baby love maybe don't. Gang we are. We are happy to be here and happy piano
Misha 01:08
might have differing opinions on this one. Hmm,
Tyler 01:11
well, we shall see. Yeah, we shall be diving into Cinderella looking at originality, story. Animation music and sound protagonist sidekick villain henchmen strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor those are categories and we're sticking to them. And then also we have doesn't sit right negative points and effervescence bonus points if, if that might happen. If and it's all total score out of 110. So yeah, let's let's dive in.
Misha 01:51
Let's Shall we jump in? Yeah, feet first. head first. Glass Slipper? foot first.
Tyler 01:59
Yeah, glass slipper first, like, but sort of toe jammed in there. Like one of the evil steps?
Misha 02:04
Oh, yeah.
Tyler 02:06
Yeah, so what is this? What is Cinderella all about? Cinderella
Misha 02:10
is a fairy tale about a rich girl whose dad becomes widowed, and is so sad and lonely. That he and I Okay, I'm
Tyler 02:32
sad for my I'm sad for my daughter. So I'm going to remarry. AKA I want to fuck again. So I'm gonna get remarried.
Misha 02:40
And then he like he chose to marry this horrible monster who wish he'd I guess he didn't know that she was hoping her true nature only came out after he died. And we'll get to that. So he married to
Tyler 02:56
or do you think he was blind to it said so he'd said. But can we maybe we could read but maybe he was just maybe she's just really good.
Misha 03:07
Wow. Okay. I mean, I could see that.
Tyler 03:12
I can change that's never happened. And then he died. And then she's just
Misha 03:15
Yeah, so he remarried. She has two rotten daughters are about Cinderella's age. Anastasia and Driss. Sal does
Tyler 03:26
some Yeah. Drizella or something like that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Misha 03:32
And he dies. And then they treat Cinderella terribly, and she basically becomes their indentured servant.
Tyler 03:43
Well, just certainly, I don't know the central part because indentured servitude
Misha 03:47
denture just right. Yes, I know. That's right. That's a little. So she becomes their servant. And is not sad. Because I maybe every night, I don't know, she dreams about a better life where she meets a prince and lives happily ever after. And so what's the plot of this movie? So then she the prince is away on vacation or something or some adventure, and he's coming home and the king wants to throw a welcome home ball. But really, because the king is sad that there are no more children in his life. And he really wants to have grandkids and he he dreams about grandkids, which is very cute. Yeah. And then. And so he throws his ball, where everyone in the kingdom is invited. And the stepmother tells Cinderella If she finishes, finishes her chores, and finds something suitable to where she'll get to go to the ball. So Cinderella manages to finish her chores and her friend her animal friends helped her make this dress. But the parts of the dress were made from the sisters items that they didn't want because they're bratty. And then the sisters realized that she's Cinderella is wearing some of their things and they rip her dress and outfit apart. And Cinderella can't go to the ball because she is wearing just pretty much rags like torn this point, and she cries, rightfully so. A really shitty thing to do, runs off into the courtyard sobbing and says, like, I'll never drink again. Everything is horrible, which I mean, she has a point because her family is cracking off and appears the fairy godmother out of nowhere to comfort her and make all her wishes come true. She turns a pumpkin into a coach, she turns the dog into a horse like Can I clarify really quick the mice into the horse? Versus also turns the mice into the horse into a
Tyler 06:04
coach carriage? Not like a football coach. Just to clarify, in case anyone hasn't seen the movie.
Misha 06:08
Wow. Coach,
Tyler 06:11
I mean, like a football coach would be pretty supportive of this to like, give her some encouragement but no a carrot. Yeah, like a coach carriage.
Misha 06:17
The mice get turned into horses. The dog gets turned in to the footman. Yep, the horse gets turned into the coach driver. And
Tyler 06:33
the rags get turned into a beautiful dress.
Misha 06:35
And she gets a beautiful dress and goes to the ball. Then at the ball,
Tyler 06:40
she's walking around last person.
06:43
She's like, a
Tyler 06:45
weird mind routine.
Misha 06:49
event is happening behind her like near her and she can't seem to find it even though it's like,
Tyler 06:56
like a performative art piece in the for yay. And the prince Caesar. Yeah.
Misha 07:03
And the prince sees her and instantly is like, Who is this confused person that I'm so instantly attracted to? And I get because while he sees her, the two stepsisters are in his face, and they are agos and he's like and they're also just they're pretty fug like clumsy. Yeah. And just like no manners, no class, and offices dainty little blonde Princess, not Princess Little dainty little blonde lady in the back and he's like, Oh, God, and then they dance all night.
07:38
Yeah, all the Simpsons noises like That
Tyler 07:47
sounds really good.
Misha 07:48
But there was a catch. She only has till midnight, right because the spell wears off at midnight, but she loses track of time. And then she hears the clock tower. bells chime to 12 and she runs away and then they send their scariest guards the most.
Tyler 08:07
Yeah, didn't remember that from Yeah, horse
Misha 08:09
said to chase after her like they're just gonna murder her. Yeah. But she makes it they're safe. I don't know why any of that matters. And she's just happy that she had that night but he never got her name. Nobody knows who she is not even her step family realize that was her who's dancing with the prince at the ball. So the only clue they have is the glass slipper one glass slipper that fell off her foot as she was running away. So then they have to go and find who was the wearer of this teeny tiny glass slipper? And if if anyone's foot can fit inside this glass slipper? Which is a really like, like she's at who can I mean, it must be a small town of big footed people. Probably.
Tyler 09:07
Yeah, I mean, when we see when we end up seeing the size of the stepsisters, feet we
Misha 09:12
okay, I would like to say something as someone with big feet.
Tyler 09:16
I have my big feet.
Misha 09:20
You know, mine are mine look like slippers. That's another story but and we'll definitely get to this and the Little Mermaid. Um, but I have large feet that look like flippers. And you know what? It's not just small dainty feet that are pretty. Okay. All Yeah. Length of feet can be pretty. I'm not saying that. All feet are pretty. They're so ugly feet out there, but it's not the size that makes a foot pretty or not. That's true by the way. They get to the house, the Chateau of the Cinderella and her family. And they tried to squeezed the glass slipper onto the spoiled rotten stepsisters. And they obviously the slipper doesn't obviously doesn't fit on their feet. And then they're like, Okay, oh, they'll step mother locks Cinderella up in the tower. She's worried that her little feet might fit in the slippers. And so well,
Tyler 10:19
Can I Can I jump in really quick? Oh, go ahead. Sorry. She realizes the truth she did it she No no, I think she's she sees this is my maybe my take on it but she sees Cinderella like, because when the announcement comes to like the the the shoe is going around and they're trying it out. And the mother starts getting the two stepsisters ready for that. Cinderella looks all dreamy, and like a bit and starts walking I think and the mom notices and like, I don't know, like maybe. Well, that's my opinion. It looks like she notices Cinderella like what is that person and then locks her away?
Misha 11:00
It could be it could be I thought maybe Maybe you're right. Cuz she is smart. I would say I think the stepmother is smart. Not like who run stupid daughters. They really made them just terrible.
Tyler 11:16
We'll get into it. Yeah, well, we'll get into them.
Misha 11:18
And so she the stepmom locks Cinderella up in the tower. I think it's just because she's doesn't even want to give Cinderella a chance but you know, maybe she knows anyway so her Cinderella's animal friends rescue her from the tower and just as the I don't know what he is. Who's going around trying the shoes on all the ladies in town is about to leave a major domo, major domo. major domo is leaving their home. He hears like, wait, wait, I want to try it on and then runs back in. The step mother trips him. The shoe breaks. And he's everybody's crying. Nobody's crying. He's crying. And then Cinderella goes maybe this will help and pulls out the other glass slipper. And it fits her foot and then they Cinderella and the Prince get married and live happily ever after the end? Yeah. The classic.
Tyler 12:26
Classic. Yeah, I have some questions, but I think I'll hold off until the story part. But yeah, that was that. That was it. The classic tale? Yeah. Originality. Let's jump into it. All right. Let's get this train moving. Yeah. Or train continuing? Not original at all. No, absolutely not. There are a billion versions of this even dating back to earlier than the medieval fairy tale.
Misha 12:51
Yes. It's like based on our other stories with similar. This Yeah. Other stories from who knows? When a long time ago I read it can't
Tyler 13:04
remember what I read. It's. Yeah, it's hard to say because it's like, it's different from when I understood it's like, yeah, it's like the the Cinderella that we know comes from like a French version. Yeah, maybe the like a mix between that the grievance tales, right. The quote unquote Cinderella story goes back to ancient Greece and also tradition. Yeah, like stories passed on orally rather than written. And then even after that, there were written versions, but not with the name Cinderella and then Cinderella. Probably also, like, there were like, Chinese versions and Vietnamese versions to that maybe there was some cultural diffusion and like, those stories came west who knows? Or this is like, sort of independent innovation like, put upon girl who's actually a Ugly Duckling turn swan. You know, that sort of tale is, is not original. It's uh, it's interesting, but it's not original. I mean, yeah,
Misha 13:59
yeah. No, so a one for originality. It was just Disney redoing one.
Tyler 14:03
Yeah. All right. And it was actually interestingly, like, we don't need to go into the development but like a big gamble because Disney was in big trouble at this time. Like, like, about to declare bankruptcy because like the World War Two era had really hurt him. Those world war two movies were not popular apparently like Bambi we talked about wasn't popular. It became popular later. So Cinderella was like okay, we gotta like recapture the Snow White Magic and, and get minute of obviously work because Cinderella is in many ways like the Disney movie, right? Like the castle. The Disney Castle is based on the the king's castle in this movie, and right, yeah, so it's become a phenomenon, and they've recently remade it as they do with these types of things.
Misha 14:45
I know. I didn't even know they did that until I was looking this up and it was like 2021 Yeah,
Tyler 14:50
I remember seeing it because it was like, Oh, the dude from Game of Thrones is going to be in it, but then I totally forgot about it. And also Kenneth bridge guy
Misha 14:58
is that oh,
Tyler 14:59
I'm the guy. Rob Stark Knight. Okay Stark What's his real I have to tell you about forget his real name anyway, he was in the new Marvel movie anyway. But Kenneth brand I like respect and he keeps making kind of bad movies announces
Misha 15:13
named differently and that's his name. Brianna
Tyler 15:17
that could very well be graduates right now his Hamlet, chef's kiss. Very good. And he's gonna be the fifth to also chef's kiss.
Misha 15:27
Yeah, so one for All right, keep your chef's kisses to yourself. Give all right chef's kisses.
Tyler 15:32
Yeah, that's a spicy weed. I won't be offensive to your people. Sorry.
Misha 15:39
Sorry. That's racist. I am not offended. Now. I just want. I do actually. So last time I said we were talking about fake meat and how I do have fake meatballs occasionally, and I like yeah,
Tyler 15:56
I just, I can see that. And also, I was maybe being a bit too harsh on like, fake meat that tastes like meat. Because when I was studying in China, there was like a Buddhist restaurant that that was their specialty making, like potato dishes that looked and tasted like fish. And it was it was good. It tasted good. I just don't like I don't like like vegan bacon. That's they try to make it taste. Yeah, they're
Misha 16:19
never good. Anyway, I
Tyler 16:21
don't know. I understand. But I should be a little bit less annoying and rude about it. Like people like the taste of meat and miss it but don't want to eat meat, then it's totally fine to miss that shouldn't be the jerk.
Misha 16:32
Sad because there's a family recipe of meatballs that has been handed down from one generation to the next. And I used to make them and now I don't make them so I get a little sad. And Miss meatballs. I miss me balls anyway. Yeah, I don't eat the vegetarian version of meatballs. Okay, what are we talking about story?
Tyler 16:55
Okay, so I have I don't know, I don't know if I should bring this up now or I have a couple problems with the story. But maybe we'll we'll get to it as we talk about it. The story is, I was I remember there being more of Cinderella in the story.
Misha 17:16
was gonna talk about this when we get to side kicks. Yes. The majority of the story is not about Cinderella. The majority of this movie is the best part. Which is all of the animal friends that she has. And I get why they did it because the story itself is blah. Yeah, so they, so they made it way better with a shock. Jack Jack. I'm not sure his name is Jack. No, Jack.
Tyler 17:51
I think Jack Jack or Jack Jack. She says she's kind of mixed. Yeah, right.
Misha 17:57
Yes. And Gus Gus, who? They're awesome. The all of mice are awesome. All the animals are great. It's so much fun to watch though. It's like okay, we've got this idea. Even
Tyler 18:09
for the cat who's a total dickwad is like so good. I love watching him. Yeah,
Misha 18:15
he's a great guy. Like they're all great. Like when they were trying to wake the dog up because they needed help to get rid of Lucifer in the tower. He like was so sleepy and I was like that is Simon like Simon was snoring next to me while watching Yeah, we can never get you up when we need to leave.
Tyler 18:35
So this movie with the insurance we can get to this music but there's like an intro song that was pretty classic Disney for that time like an intro song and then like the intro, like storybook intro, and then the movie starts and then there's credits total it's a little bit over 70 minutes. And we don't get the actual plot until minute 25 or so. Like when the king is saying I'm gonna get my son married. That's when the plot kicks in. So I I mean, on the one hand it's like kind of a math story but on the other hand I just love
Misha 19:06
Well part of the story is her being orphan
Tyler 19:10
Yeah, but I mean like the the quote unquote like cap capital P I know we get like this the background salary and all that Yeah, but what I was gonna say is like, I we talked about this with Bambi too but I really love these like old taking it slow Disney movies like just explore exploring the wacky pet or not pet like animal in the house relationship and like Cinderella's friend friendship with them. Yeah, really
Misha 19:34
lovely. And the chicken seeds gasca thing? Yeah, that's trying to live mice trying to get breakfast
Tyler 19:44
it was. Yeah, it was yeah, like trying to distract Lucifer the cat while they got it was great. Yeah, the story itself like Dad wants son to get married. So he hosts a ball with all the ladies Cinderella shows up. They they have chemistry somehow I guess love it for sight happens for some people. And then Prince Trump Prince Charming he's like not in the movie at all. I didn't remember that. He's he has no dialogue. He just sings yet half of a song. No. And then and then like, yeah, like the actual the actual like, when people say what Cinderella about and they tell you, Oh Cinderella, and there's the slipper and blah blah, blah. It's kind of Yeah. Very
Misha 20:22
godmother like giving her right. helping her get to the ball. Yeah, it is met but including all of the shenanigans of the mice. I mean, right. That's the story we
Tyler 20:40
but I feel like we need to take knock some points off for the lameness of the story. The plot? Yeah, and and like magic that those parts bring. I think we're going to give it in other categories. Also have a couple bones to pick with the story. The Fairy Godmother makes it very explicit. At the stroke of midnight. Everything's going to change. It doesn't actually change until like, she's away in the forest. Yeah, Woods. Also the slippers. Why don't they change back?
Misha 21:13
Okay, are you a witch wizard or a fairy godmother? Am
Tyler 21:18
I a witch or wizard or a fairy godmother? Me or what are you talking about? What's the question? Can
Misha 21:24
you conjure magic? No. Tyler, okay, so shut the fuck up. You don't know what are we talking about? Sometimes there might be a delayed thing we
Tyler 21:32
actually the fairy godmother is pretty semantics, but pretty absent minded. She doesn't even notice that. And she's awesome. Yeah, she's awesome. I'm not shitting on her I'm just saying like I'm just trying to get magic is just a
Misha 21:45
little slow. Maybe things start to change me. Okay, so maybe at the stroke of midnight, okay, fine. I'm sorry, yelled at
Tyler 21:52
you did get really mad my face my virtual face.
Misha 21:57
I'm not sorry, I yelled at you. But okay, let's take into consideration what you said. I will take into consideration what you said instead of just yelling at you. Thank you. So let's say she says after stroke of midnight, the spell wears off. The act of wearing off can take time. Okay, so let's see it let's say it started pumpkin inside out. Like it started to wear off. So let's say the seat that she was sitting on. Oh, it turned into a bunch of wet pumpkin seeds and then and then the hat that the footman was wearing disappeared we don't know these details. It could take a couple minutes for it to get to the point where we saw wearing off not instantly ending she never said at the stroke of midnight it instantly ends and it's automatic. Instantaneous I'm
Tyler 23:03
gonna look around because I think that's what she said. We can we can pause the podcast for a second but I I need to defend myself. I wasn't criticizing the fairy godmother right love I just I think maybe she's a little bit potentially absent minded in her casting over spell maybe but
Misha 23:19
Oh, I love her and we'll get
Tyler 23:23
she is really great. And I like how they don't I like how they don't like explain her. They don't over explain her. She's there and she's she's and she's like, Oh, you must be my fairy godmother and it's magical. It's whimsical. And yeah.
Misha 23:37
Oh God. Okay, on the stroke of 12 the spell will be broken and everything will be as it was before II
Tyler 23:49
that's what I thought I thought it was something like to her her on
Misha 23:52
the stroke of 12 the spell will be broken and everything will be as it was before but she doesn't say when the spell will break at 12 Correct. But we don't know magic well enough to know how long it will take for everything to be as it was before.
Tyler 24:10
True. Yeah. Okay, so let's give her the benefit of the doubt.
Misha 24:12
Of course we're gonna give her the benefit of the doubt Yeah. Wow. Tyler It's
Tyler 24:17
just it just like yeah just stood out to me. I was like, oh, so how does but you know what like that part of the story. There are a couple moments in this this you know, for the most part kind of bland and other other parts of it are problematic story. The part where she pulls out that second slipper dynamite like just great, great woman.
Misha 24:37
Yes. Yeah. And the look on the step. mother's face is so good. They
Tyler 24:44
zoom in on her face. It's so good. Yeah, like Yeah,
Misha 24:48
I don't know what you call it. Up shot. That sounds disgusting. low
Tyler 24:54
angle shot. Yeah, so good. Yeah, high angle would be the cameras. up yeah, it gets low angle. Yep. So good. Excellent. Yeah. And also the scene where, like the even though I think the story is a bit simplistic and blonde like they it is done very well and you feel you feel for Cinderella She's in a bad situation they really ham up the villains and I love that, like the scene where Cinderella gets her dress torn is like heart wrenching. You really feel bad for you're rooting for her and you're rooting for those mice as they're huffing and puffing up the stairs. Especially love that Yeah. Oh, Gus Gus. Yeah, so
Misha 25:34
take into account right all of that in the story. It's great.
Tyler 25:39
It's great. Yeah, I just think it should yeah, lose a little bit for Yeah, you know, not a lot of complexity but i don't know i was something like too
Misha 25:49
complex Chicken Little they get like this simplicity and that you can spend more time on the good cat like on the characters and what they would do and what you like you know them Yeah.
Tyler 26:07
Do you feel the characters? Yeah, yeah, exactly. They it takes his time and do you think I mean, it's some just some of the characters just become a girl is
Misha 26:18
doing chores and the cat is all he wants to do is get these mice first focused on is getting these mice and like the tray while she's like that cup and ballgame with the mic. Really take
Tyler 26:32
it so great. And even even like yeah, when she's she's singing the the sisters are in some weird recital with their mom and they're doing ballet playing flute sweet night. And then they cut to Cinderella singing and wait,
Misha 26:46
save this for music and sound.
Tyler 26:50
No, I'm not going to talk about the music probably just wanted, like, I just they take their time to like have that little like dream sequence where she's like, harmonizing yourself and like,
Misha 26:59
we can talk about music. Yeah,
Tyler 27:01
I'm not gonna go into and then I just tried to shrink my head. If it messes
Misha 27:12
up everything at cat.
Tyler 27:16
I love No, he's like, he's enjoying her voice. And then he sees the Deshpande and he goes back to being full cat. Yeah, like because he hates the sound
Misha 27:23
of the sisters voice and then actually enjoys Cinderella's voice but then he's like, Wait, yeah,
Tyler 27:29
I'm supposed to hate her.
Misha 27:30
Yeah, I'm a I'm a rotten cat. Listen, there's soil all over my house right now. There's sand behind me because the kittens got it here. I feel for her. Yeah.
Tyler 27:43
Yeah, and it's like the bad guys are archetypal Prince Charming is nothing character. But like, even with the the negatives that we'll get into, like, it's still solid. I think it's still solid as it takes time. I was gonna ask like, do you think that? Do you think that movies like this and Bambi are evidence that the younger generations do not have a good attention span? Or is it just like, is there any, is there any, like, truth to that you think like, going back and watching movies like, well,
Misha 28:13
this movie is very long, these movies aren't very long. And they're simple. So you can sort of pay attention and still enjoy. Like, you don't have to think about what's happening. Who's that? Why, like, why is this happening? What's the point was, you can just sit and enjoy it. And we don't really get that anymore with some of these new movies. Because there's so much happening, and they try to keep your attention with the story as it's moving forward, rather than taking things slowly and then enjoying what the characters are up to.
Tyler 28:51
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know for sure. And I wonder if that's like, like a sign of changing cultural trends or like in how people react to
Misha 29:05
like, our attentions are all like, we have very short attention spans. And like, I think I recall like reading something about how long scenes are like between cuts right? And they've gotten shorter and shorter over time because of that, so I don't know if it is a cultural thing. Maybe we're all just getting dumber huh yeah,
Tyler 29:30
I'm wondering if it's like yeah, how top down it is how much it's like advertising changing how we write things like that. For example, like I was just talking to my to also my wife about this like, and I could be wrong about this, but I remember like, the wait Sesame Street started was Jim Henson was like, Okay, I'm going to take what advertising does well and use it for good kind of thing like shortcuts and like bright colors and exciting music and stuff, but just use it to teach Alphabets and Numbers and things. Okay,
Misha 30:01
this is what I'm looking at. It's a Wired article. And it says the average shot length of English language films has declined from about 12 seconds in night. 1930 to about two and a half seconds today. That is a big difference.
Tyler 30:21
Yeah. Yeah, you see that? You see that? Especially in like action movies to like where there's a lot of quick quick cuts and things like that. Yeah.
Misha 30:30
Yeah. Two and a half seconds.
Tyler 30:33
Yeah.
Misha 30:34
Shit. All right.
Tyler 30:38
So what did we think about a score? First story, I think like pretty high, but not like the highest of the high. Yes. Thinking somewhere like, I don't know, like, seven or something.
Misha 30:49
I was thinking seven. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 30:51
I think seven seven works for this. Yeah.
Misha 30:54
Okay.
Tyler 30:57
Animation. I
Misha 30:58
think it's good. I don't think there are some parts that are excellent the whole way through. One of the things that I noticed is that Cinderella's face was one of those things Yeah. Faces weird Yeah. I took a video I actually I'm gonna send it to you of one of the scenes where her face was not correct. And
Tyler 31:27
I use it for so gosh, I mean send it to me I'll use it for social Yeah, I'm coming at it right from the beginning when she gets out of bed her face looks funny and Prince Charming yes weird all the people who have weird looking faces and by weird I mean like the queen of hearts and Alice in Wonderland like the the uncle at Thanksgiving type faces like all those like Uncle excellently all those ones are excellent like the the foot man killer man right
Misha 31:55
the weird
Tyler 31:56
face people are
Misha 31:58
king good. His
Tyler 32:03
major domo or attendance or whatever he is right?
Misha 32:07
vallot great. Yeah, possibly.
Tyler 32:09
Yeah. It's only when they tried to do like it's what they consider like extreme beauty like like Prince Charming and and Cinderella and then it looks. She doesn't have a nose. She has like a folding board. No, it's like with just two holes.
Misha 32:25
Video I just sent you if you have your I will let me it's five seconds long.
Tyler 32:32
Oh, yeah.
Misha 32:35
Once she's reading, so she get when she's receiving the letter from the King, that they're going to be invited. She's looking at the envelope, confused and I mean, I've never seen a more confused
Tyler 32:49
face and like she's confused that she's holding a piece of paper
Misha 32:53
that her eyes are going in opposite direction.
Tyler 32:58
Oh, she almost turns into that little orange monster Kirby from Chicken Little whose eyes like sort of shift position on his face. Yeah, she's kind of weird. I think the movie in general when it's not showing her prince charming is beautiful. But it does. Beautiful movie. Yeah, right doesn't reach like Bambi.
Misha 33:18
Qual No, no,
Tyler 33:21
it doesn't beauty.
Misha 33:22
I don't think I was just gonna say the same thing. I don't think it reaches beauty in the beast quality because the backgrounds the scenery are just sort of, they're like some of the fabrics that they had and bedding and architecture was okay. But they didn't pay attention to the scenery. And that's one of my favorite parts of all of the movies we've watched is looking at sort of the setting in which all of you know the movies taking place. And it was just not really Yeah.
Tyler 33:51
And that might have been intentional, like, I'm not sure because for example, with Bambi they were going for that naturalistic landscape painting look, and it looks masterful, right? It looks
Misha 34:03
like a Goofy Movie. I was commenting on the background and the scenery of that and it was gorgeous. The first cars I said the same thing, like and in this age is sort of so it's not just a product of the time and an Alice in Wonderland. Again, you know, another one, Alice in Wonderland, the backgrounds like the scenes, all of that was gorgeous. And I know there's a reason why they were spending more time on that because she's going to a totally bonkers place and that's part of it. But they could have made this a little more whimsical that way I
Tyler 34:32
think. Yeah. And what I was gonna say is enchanted feeling. Yeah, they it looked like they were trying to put the whole thing in a storybook, but it could have used a bit more enchanted whimsy. Like for example when the fairy godmother does her thing, it's amazing. It's great. It looks really good. The transformations the little, all of it, of magic chasing Lucifer
Misha 34:54
away when she pulls out the slipper and it sparkles gorge. It's like it Feels like actually magically sparkling. Yeah
Tyler 35:07
I liked the gross animation of the sisters faces I like their their little recital or one of them gets like the her fingers stuck in our flute and then like those those two are those two are horrible but oh great. They're really well done is putting
Misha 35:21
when she's putting the shirt on Gus. And it like rolls up. I mean, I could talk about the mice all day. All the time. Also. Yeah,
Tyler 35:32
just yeah, the animation of the mice the animation of Lucifer the fat cat is great, too. He's got these like, his sounds or we can get into that with Santa. His sounds are bad I think because he just sounds like a dude trying to do cat noises but he's movement is like very fat cat that is still like, quick, but like also try boy. Like he's great. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I think I guess like again, like a seven because it's a seven.
Misha 35:57
Yeah, right. It's good, but not the best and not. Yeah, fair. I think it's seven is good. Oh, God. This breaks my heart looking at all of the cars looking at the cars but those movies. The animation was I know.
Tyler 36:14
Yeah. It was good. Okay, music and sound. I have I have a quick strong opinion. But this is maybe not something you're gonna disagree with the beginning that first title beginning song was just such a snooze fest. I hated it. And there was a similar thread. It's yeah. That's the Yeah, that's not her first song. The wish song The quotable I want song. That song I think is great. It's you know, slow, but good. Yeah, I think all the music is great. Except for that first song.
Misha 36:51
Right? i Good. Yeah, to actually agree.
Tyler 36:55
I think the duet with Prince Charming is a bit bland too.
Misha 36:59
Is okay. Yeah, it's not the best duet song. And then thinking of Snow White when she and we'll get to that in a long time when she has her duet with her prince charming. And that is excellent. And so this did fall a little flat. i The score is beautiful. And how the like in Bambi where there's movement on screen, and then the score matches what's happening. So like as Lucifers running up the stairs. Yeah, right. And the faces that they're making. And so you mentioned the scene where she's mopping and then sings with herself. There's like a chorus I loved. I absolutely loved how she's singing. There's one voice and then and then a bubble shows up. So there's her and the bubble and there's two voices and then as more bubbles show up, there are more harmonized voices. That is so incredible. And what a clever way to introduce the like to build the song.
Tyler 38:07
Yeah, to build the song and also just like show in a clever way like her daydreaming and how he's working. Yeah. The singer the who? I don't know if it's the same the voice actor and the singer because I think Prince Charming or Prince Charming only sang I think I don't think he ever talked but oh, no, he did talk. When she's running away from him. He talks a bit. I think he had a different voice actor and singer. Right. I'm not sure if Cinderella did or not. Yeah, whoever sang. Her voice was a dream
Misha 38:35
when the sisters are singing and it sounds like shit. Like I was cracking up like, with Lucifer tried to cover his ears with the pillow. That was hilarious. But so well done. Right? You can't have it's like, almost difficult to make someone sing badly for these kinds of right. And it sounded really good, too. For sounding bad. You know what I mean? Like, exactly.
Tyler 38:58
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, the only the only complaint I can think of with sound is I just thought Lucifer, whoever did the meowing and sounds or Lucifer just didn't do the best job but it just sounded like a person. It didn't sound like a cat was like the birds sound like birds. Obviously sound like little people but like the birds sound amazing. And I liked the little like the I like the mice I like and they're like get shots
Misha 39:24
and then house just mixes up all of the letters. Yeah, like Rufus said of Lucifer Yeah, roof Rusev or whatever and I'll yeah. When you're first introduced to the king, I don't know if you caught this. He's standing in this big room and he's talking to his major domo about like missing children like he's sad. He wants children is life. And then he they show the first painting of the prince as a baby then they A zoo they zoom out a little bit and show the next one of him growing up, and then they keep doing that and it gets echo year. Did you notice that? Like, that was so good. I was like, so you're zoomed out and then you see this huge painting and it's just super echoey in this big hall. Yeah, I love it.
Tyler 40:19
It was really like a nice touch to just like a little a to give us like actual feeling of the space but also like a little bit of a feeling of how that how that kings feeling. Feeling a bit emptiness. Yeah, like so good Wilford? Brimley guy. Yeah.
Misha 40:34
Yeah, I have to say. I was like, Oh, he needs to join the mustache competition.
Tyler 40:39
Yeah, he's got a sweet mustache. He also does that like sounds and I love Oh,
Misha 40:44
and then when him and major domo are hanging from the ceiling because the king is mad at him about losing the girl. And they fall from the chandelier. They do the Goofy yodel sound. Uh
Tyler 40:55
huh. Yeah. What is that guy's name? I mean, he's not.
Misha 40:59
Is he a king?
Tyler 41:00
No, the guy the guy we keep calling a major domo. Did he have a name and the Grand Duke? Was he the grand you might have been the Grand Duke. Yeah, same voice as the king. And Gus Gus. Oh, it was Bruno. Bruno's the dog, right? Bruno's the dog. But he knows the dad. Jock Gus and Bruno was the same voice actor as well. So what do we think about for like a music and sound score? I think overall Oh, they're just really quick. There was another part I think it was when she is upset with her torn dress and runs out right before the fairy godmother showed up. They did that thing that I loved in Bambi words like they used human voice in this weird spectral way. Like the the chorus that was repeating the dream that you wish refrain. But it was like echoey and like a sadder version because she felt like her dreams were crumbling. So great. Loved it.
Misha 41:55
Yeah, I mean, just so the music is really iconic. Oh, Daddy Boo. Boo. Cinderella. Cinderella. Yeah, some Yeah, like class. Oh, iconic.
Tyler 42:06
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's gotta get I mean, maybe even for just that iconic. Like thing about it's, it's kind of
Misha 42:14
ugly. Yeah. It's I think at least an 808
Tyler 42:17
is good. I think.
Misha 42:21
I think it we're gonna give it higher.
Tyler 42:24
No, I think I was thinking I was in the moment. I was wondering if maybe nine but I think eight is strong. It is good. Yeah. Cuz it's not a Goofy Movie. It's not stand out. Even if you shout out loud.
Misha 42:42
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Tyler 42:45
Strangely, though. Yeah. Like out of the iconic songs, the one that I remembered the least. And the one that I liked the most was that Nightingale song the
Misha 42:52
day? Sing. Yeah, sing sweet, nice. It
Tyler 42:56
just really shows off. Eileen woods, his voice?
Misha 43:00
Yeah, yes. I mean, just gorgeous. Just beautiful, beautiful voice
Tyler 43:06
speaking of Cinderella protagonist, as a protagonist. Now this movie is all all about her. Supposedly, although it's mostly the mice doing stuff. The mice are driving the action,
Misha 43:20
right? The titular protagonist, Cinderella. So if you have a movie, named after the protagonist, maybe the protagonist should be in
Tyler 43:34
a little more, maybe she should be in it a little more. Maybe she should also be doing stuff. Because as far as protagonist go, she
Misha 43:41
kind of she was doing chores the whole time. And we couldn't see her because she was fucking busy. She's
Tyler 43:46
doing a lot of chores. He's very put upon. And she this is like going back to like, a problem I had with with Brave, for example, was like they didn't give her a lot to do except be put upon and then be ultimately rescued. Yeah, so that
Misha 44:05
bothered me. Yeah. When I was thinking about what actually happens in this movie, and everything happens to her. Yeah, she is told to make chores, do chores. Her mice and her friends help and get the dress ready. And the fairy godmother turns everybody into everything. And brings her to the ball. Yeah, it's like she doesn't move anything along. Really? Yeah.
Tyler 44:36
Like the she is you could make the argument that her her. The fact that Prince Charming is so attracted to her moves the plot along but that's like a weak that's really weak, I think. And yeah, and not fair. But yeah, they should have given them more. I mean, this is 1950s And unfortunately, the world's was worse than it is now. You could make the case so they didn't give her any agency. She's a damsel in distress. So I think yeah, but I do want to give her some points because she is a very good hearted person. Yes. Kerry's
Misha 45:10
gonna say that. Yeah,
Tyler 45:13
I just don't think she should get like a boatload of points because we're probably going to record her in strong female lead, right? If we can even maybe jump out if you want to. I think she, I
Misha 45:23
actually want to wait on that. Okay, because I have some thoughts about that. Yeah, she she doesn't do much everything, I'm sure. But she is very kind hearted. And she loves animals and she's nice to them. And I was woken up the same way this morning by data and so just chirping in my ear. And I should have given him a little flick in the butt. But I didn't. Instead he just was upset. Tired. Yeah, and she, you know, gives the mice outfits and she saved us from the trap and she's still nice to Lucifer.
Tyler 46:02
She's still nice to him. And I don't think I
Misha 46:05
don't think she's just nice to him because she'll get in trouble. I think she's genuinely just really kind to animals. Yeah, and I like that about her.
Tyler 46:14
There's there like when the when those forgets, chased off by Gus Gus as a horse when he's transformed by the fairy godmother, and then the fairy godmother sends him running to with the little bolt of magic, or little spark of magic. Cinderella. In that moment, says something like Oh, poor, poor Lucifer, like she doesn't have to save there. There's nobody nasty watch. Right? But she's still like, deep down. Yeah. cares about Lucifer too. Yeah, so yeah, yeah. I think yeah, I don't know. Maybe like I was thinking somewhere like a forest because like, for example, like Alice slow I mean, like we we both liked Alice two.
Misha 46:53
Oh, I'd like Alice a lot more. We but we wait, why did Alice only get a four
Tyler 46:59
we've talked about this in the last episode to Alice got a four as a protagonist, because she's very she doesn't do anything she doesn't. She just wonder Ella does less until Cinderella does less Yeah, we but Alice will get a higher strike. I mean, in my opinion, we'll we'll talk about this. Alice got a high strong female lead score because she moves on when she wants to. And she has agency. It's just like, as far as like a protagonist in the story. She's not she's not the one driving it along.
Misha 47:26
Okay, okay. Disney Cruise as a protagonist.
Tyler 47:30
Maybe Cinderella deserves a three day cruise. Maybe Cinderella deserves like a three then? Oh,
Misha 47:34
no, no, no, no, no, she deserves a four because she's kind hearted. She's really nice to animals, even Rufus. I mean, Lucifer. And okay. Yeah, forest fine to me. No.
Tyler 47:49
One should go any higher than that, though. Yeah. So okay, fine. Want to wait on string from your leader or to address it? Now since we've been talking about it. Let's just keep going in order.
Misha 47:59
Let's keep going in order.
Tyler 48:00
So next up, then is sidekick side kicks in this case. Amazing. Great. It's the mice especially these are great. Judge Jack and Gus but also the fairy godmother counts. BRUNO counts I guess a little bit the all the birds and other mice that help, like help her out. Yeah, they're I mean, they're all great. They're the things that make this movie magical. So I think yeah, I mean, unfortunately, there's not even a lot for them to do because the movie is so short, but like they they see
Misha 48:33
that though? Yeah, yeah, they
Tyler 48:35
say shaver bacon. Yeah, you save her. V safer vegan bacon. Yeah, I think like I don't know something. Something really strong. I I think they're like as iconic and excellent as like the Aladdin. side kicks. I think I agree.
Misha 49:00
And I have extra fond of Gus Gus. Not just because he's really cute. But my little list nephew reminds me. I don't know why. Just like the way he talks the way he moves. Like, especially when he was a little younger. He's getting a little older now. But like, I don't know. I'm very fond of him. Yeah, I like Gus guys and my nephew. Yeah. So I think they should get a high score because they're the they're pretty much the movie and they're all great.
Tyler 49:31
Okay, yeah. Nine out of 10 for them. Right nine. Yeah.
Misha 49:35
Awesome.
Tyler 49:37
All right, villain. Villain.
Misha 49:38
This Is she okay. She is incredible. She's also the voice of Maleficent. Who is my favorite Disney villain of all time? Yeah. And it's scary. And she's
Tyler 49:55
menacing in nasty smart. Yeah. Like manipulative
Misha 50:01
yeah so manipulative when she like points out the beaded necklace the pearls just like she's good yeah, she's
Tyler 50:12
really good and she has a lot of the characters are for those who haven't seen this movie in a while they're everyone's introducing like this storybook prologue. Like the talks about how the dad falls like it dies sort of suddenly and the stepmother turns bad. So that's when she's like, I guess introduced but her real introduction when Cinderella goes into her room and then she's like, You see Lucifers eyes in the darkness and then you see her sit up and get revealed. Wonderful villain reveal one of those like, classic Yeah, and often copied like villains like walking out of the darkness and, like during a monologue or yeah, this is uh, yeah, I think she's excellent.
Misha 50:53
I think she told me how she says things when she switches like, just Yeah, she is a really good villain
Tyler 51:04
even like the just locking Cinderella in a room, which is very nasty and bad, but like, compared to like, I don't know, for example, another Disney villain because they just bought all of the movies. Thanos for example, snaps away half of existence. Compared to that it's maybe not locking so in a room not as bad but it comes off as like the worst thing you could possibly do. But second to just watching as the two sisters rip Cinderella's dress and then just like leaving. Yeah, that's like the
Misha 51:33
intent knowing no one's going to knowingly manipulative or like pointing out the beads pointing out the sash knowing that is going to happen and that Cinderella won't get Yeah, ball. And when she says like, I always keep my word and then like, creeps toward Cinderella. And Cinderella is like yeah, like, this is not going to end well. So
Tyler 51:54
I think that's also another reason why. Like, I read it as Cinderella. Here's the news that they're coming to try the slipper and she gets all dreamy and walks out and starts singing and dancing to herself. The mom sees that and
Misha 52:09
I think she recognized the song too,
Tyler 52:11
right? Oh, that was her. That's why I recognized her and then like locks her. I think I'm gonna be bold here about the song. I'm gonna propose a 10
Misha 52:22
a 10. Yeah,
Tyler 52:23
I think I think she deserves that. She's, she's iconic. She is. She's nasty, but also like,
Misha 52:32
she does have sort of a believable way. Yeah, and
Tyler 52:36
I don't know. I mean, maybe
Misha 52:37
in the introduction like the preamble, they talk about how they squandered all the money like she seems like like she married this guy. Certain Cinderella's dad for the money right? Because they're living in his house. They're squandering all their money. They said the word abuse like they abused Cinderella like it just like
Tyler 53:01
you could make the argument that like I mean, we've we've talked about this before that like in some stories, you maybe need a more three dimensional villain but in this story, you need like an archetypal villain and she nails it. She's perfect. I think I
Misha 53:15
think she is three dimensional though. Like yeah, I would agree. Yeah, because she's manipulate likes Kush. There's some subtle aspect to her right where she and then she's like, so if you didn't get an inside look to her like when she's talking to the major domo and his foot men or what you know, and she's like, girls manners. She pours right and it comes across as like a normal stately woman right who presents well and is a good family like they even say that in the present like the preamble that their family is in good standing and but like behind closed doors it should scary. Yeah,
Tyler 53:59
I guess what I meant by like, not three dimensional was just not a criticism. But just like the story doesn't give any like space for finding out her motivations. It's just like she Oh, I
Misha 54:09
hate when they do that. And movie. Yeah, because that's what all the new versions are doing. I bet you in the new Cinderella they're going to do this. And it will probably be bad. Yeah, go through that. And it'll ruin the movie. Yeah,
Tyler 54:19
yeah. I agree with that. Like in this this story. This fairy tale story much like Melissa like the these Maleficent movies too. Like they don't they don't need that they need an archetypal villain who is like scary.
Misha 54:30
Yeah, right? Yeah. Why did Jafar Get A Six?
Tyler 54:35
Because he is kind of a bumbling, bad bad guy. And he's like, he's smart and manipulative, but he he could have used his powers of persuasion to like, like take over a lot earlier. Like we we had we had issue with a lot of his like, the way he goes
Misha 54:55
onic like she doesn't seem like the most iconic Disney villain to me, but
Tyler 55:01
I agree, but I think like she she's a better villain like for her role in this? I think so I think she is far you
Misha 55:13
think she is the pinnacle 10 The best of the best I propose
Tyler 55:18
to talk down but from what we've seen so far, I think she's the best villain we've seen so far
Misha 55:23
from what we've seen so far. But moving forward, like there are villains that I'm thinking of in my head should have already mentioned in this episode, that should get a 10 and I would not rank them the same.
Tyler 55:39
Let's see. Okay, I'm willing to go to a nine here. Sure. I think like I mean, I'll have to watch Sleeping Beauty again. But I'm I'm in my head Lady Tremaine. The evil step mother is is like as good as Maleficent. I know that's debatable and controversial for you, but I need to see suddenly begin to like,
Misha 55:59
make up my mind reversal. You're just wrong. Yeah.
Tyler 56:03
But also nothing is like she's in this a lot. Like she's, she's a menace for the whole thing.
Misha 56:09
She is in this a lot. Okay,
Tyler 56:13
I'm fine. Perfect. Score nine is fine with me.
Misha 56:16
I don't think we should give her a perfect score. And maybe that's my own biases coming into this.
Tyler 56:21
Okay, that's okay. I'm fine with a nine nine. I just think she, she is the best villain we've had so far. I think she's Jafar is great, but also too far.
Misha 56:29
I agree. I mean, we don't need to revert. So he's not going to get that reaction
Tyler 56:34
for those who want are interested in really don't agree with us go back and listen to that episode. And then you can send us a message and say why we're wrong. Yeah. He's a Jafar was a perv and kind of bad at his job. And also, I possibly like queer coding issues with Jafar as well, so Oh,
Misha 56:53
yeah. I think she shouldn't be a nine. Okay. 10s are very special. And while she's great, and flawless, to me, it's like that's the extra something that sets you above the rest. Does that make sense? Yeah,
Tyler 57:10
I'm fine with the nine. I think. She's not my favorite villain in this whole list of villains we're gonna get to so maybe, yeah, nine is fine. Yeah, I also think henchmans next, I think the henchmen are great. I don't think they deserve a nine but there are so loathsome. Yeah, so
Misha 57:31
they are they're loathsome.
Tyler 57:34
Lucifer counts as a henchman, because he's a big thorn in Cinderella, too. Yeah, he's the villain for her. Yeah. And he's the villain to the mice. And the mice are like kind of the heroes of the movie. So I think he deserves a spotlight too. Yeah. So if we're adding Lucifer to this, I think this cord goes up too. So yeah, because but Anastasia and Drizella are are just nasty awful
Misha 57:58
awful.
Tyler 58:01
I know Lee leave we do How high do we want to go here because they're there they're indented a lot and they're like they're they're just so perfectly nasty. They're a bit one note but in how bratty they are but but rich people are bratty sometimes so are actually rich anymore there. They still are pretending as if they're trying to act like like the rest of it. Like Lucille Bluth or actually more like a what's what Lindsey Bluth? Yeah, I don't know. What do you think about like an eight for Lucifer in the sisters? Tiny bit
Misha 58:35
to see the same thing and eight does. I don't think they're as good as the step mother, but they are excellent.
Tyler 58:41
Oh, and when the step mother started to jump back, but when she stalks down the hallway after Cinderella is just such a good scene like the again low angle up to make her look more ominous. Yeah. And she goes up those stairs. Wonderful. Yeah. Okay. And her
Misha 58:55
did you notice her like purple point? Long Nails. So good.
Tyler 59:01
Wonderful. Okay.
Misha 59:03
All right. Now that we've talked about the side kicks, oh, the fairy godmother is included in side kicks, right? Oh, yeah.
Tyler 59:12
Yeah, I think I mentioned her. I'm maybe I did. But yeah, I would include her in the She's lovely.
Misha 59:17
I remember. She's so lovable. She's so great. It's like, Yes, she is the fairy godmother that people want yeah, so strong female lead strong female lead. So I know Cinderella herself as the protagonist is not the strongest person. But to me. The Fairy Godmother should get some points in this okay, cuz I don't know. I just feel like it's not just Cinderella. If everything is happening to Cinderella, then who is leading this
Tyler 59:57
but but the fairy godmother is not a leader in this We've had this conversation before when I've tried it when I've tried to, like, I know Sue for sue for like, all the shift well to get some points Cinderella to the ball to a ball to get married to a prince. Okay, fine. This is I think this is a one and in fact, right? Like, yeah, I'm not a feminist scholar at all. And I can't I shouldn't even be speaking about this, but I will because this is our podcast. I've heard people say that like this, the Cinderella story has probably done more harm than good. Yeah. Yes,
Misha 1:00:32
right, like, expecting things to happen to you, like just dreaming and wishing and not making changes for yourself. And what she's wishing for is someone to basically come and save her. So she can leave and marry a prince like her only out of this abusive family is to marry a man. And
Tyler 1:00:59
unfortunately, unfortunately, it is sort of shining some light on the horrible realities of like, you can be the best person in the world, the nicest person and like, if you don't have that spot of luck, or in this case, a fairy godmother, you're fucked.
Misha 1:01:11
Right? Yeah.
Tyler 1:01:15
Yeah, I don't know. Like, yeah, I'm gonna cut this out. But like, I like almost every movie. I've been like, can we give a little bit of points? Because like, Holly Holly, always say, no, no, no. So I'm gonna say no, no, no, wait,
Misha 1:01:29
don't cut this part out. Because I hear what you're saying. And you have done that. And I've argued against you. But this is for 1950. There are so many strong women in this. The stepmother is a strong lead. She is the leader of the household. And she's strong as fuck. And I'm not saying that she's good. But that's the story
Tyler 1:01:56
of what I think but that's why we get we give the villain score so high like I don't
Misha 1:02:00
think actually it should be it should be a one for that because she's like
Tyler 1:02:05
she's perpetuating, anti she's perpetuating all the nasty nastiness of this. This this world. Yeah,
Misha 1:02:12
she is a strong female lead, though she is Yeah. And we have given points too strong in our Bug's Life. We gave points to leaders of the community who were strong females and she is a leader of her household
Tyler 1:02:29
and it's the same thing for Bambi and Atlantis as well. A little bit a little
Misha 1:02:35
bit mantis. Yep. A little bit. Yeah, I think as the leader of the household Yeah. The step mother is the one who should get some strong female
Tyler 1:02:48
lead I'm willing to go with that even though we have like already scored her very highly one case or two is fine. I know but as her house in the
Misha 1:02:56
it's a full it's a woman led story beside her mice who are the
Tyler 1:03:01
triceps they're all doing what the king wants basically, like every everything's answering to the king to get these fucking money.
Misha 1:03:10
That's what it is. Now it's just that she's money and they're poor now, but she's a leader of
Tyler 1:03:16
her. Okay, so if you want to give a to I will. I will agree with you. bipoc representation slash portrayal one.
Misha 1:03:24
Yep. Although the guy who plays the major domo for the king is a Mexican American actor. Oh, well, they don't say he's Mexican. They say he's Mexican born
Tyler 1:03:37
Mexican born American. I've read isn't he also the king? Yeah. Doesn't he also play the king? Oh, I don't know somebody else does. According to the cast list on Wikipedia, of course, deep diving and doing all the proper research. It says the king and the Grand Duke Louise van Ruto.
Misha 1:03:56
Yes, but I don't know if he is ethnically Mexican.
Tyler 1:04:02
He might be booked one person doing a voice.
Misha 1:04:05
I know it's gonna get a one. I just wanted to make a note.
Tyler 1:04:09
He does the voice for both the king and the Grand Duke. Okay, so now we know definitively the Grand Duke is this major domo guy so Grand Duke. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's still the one right now.
Misha 1:04:21
A one. Yeah, it's a one.
Tyler 1:04:23
Now fun factor.
Misha 1:04:25
It's a fun movie.
Tyler 1:04:26
I think it's pretty fun. Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah. I
Misha 1:04:30
mean, if we, you know, we've been saying over and over how all the side kicks the mice, the animals Lucifer like they carry it. Their fairy godmother, the sisters, I mean, it's all fun. Yeah. Yeah. It's the least fun part of this. And she's not in it that much.
Tyler 1:04:48
Yeah, true. Yeah, so what do you think's fun? He's
Misha 1:04:51
a fun guy. The kid is fun. Yeah, it's a fun movie. I would say like a Seven or eight?
Tyler 1:05:00
Yeah, I would even. Yeah, I would say seven. Let's say seven. Yeah.
Misha 1:05:05
What were you gonna say?
Tyler 1:05:07
I was gonna say eight. But I think seven is, is proper is more proper. Because like when it's not fun, it is like,
Misha 1:05:15
it's beautiful. It's not fun.
Tyler 1:05:19
It is except when the scene is like Cinderella and Prince Charming is face at the pool. So you see their face. You see their faces, and then you see their weird faces reflected again. Yeah. And you just want more fun shenanigans between Lucifer and the mice. So yeah, thanks, sevens pretty solid.
Misha 1:05:36
I love when Lucifer is chasing Jack in the pile of clothes. And then Lucifer and Jack runs through the sleeve. Lucifer runs after him and his face gets triggered. It looks like he's wearing a little baby bonnet. Yeah,
Tyler 1:05:50
and I wrote my notes slug cat, because then he starts doing this like inchworm. Like it's still Yeah, it's so great.
Misha 1:05:57
So, so good. All right. Oh, just Lucifer died at the end.
Tyler 1:06:02
It's unclear. I was gonna there are a couple of things I wanted to bring up. So it was the end here. So he does because that's not that high in cats. You know how cats are with that higher is better than like, second story
Misha 1:06:15
not falling. I know. But he wasn't falling feet down here. Okay, all right. Let's just say he survived because that was very upset
Tyler 1:06:26
wasn't as they didn't telegraph it as I mean, buting the beast comes much later, but like, it's very clear that guests on dies from that fall like yeah, so doesn't sit right now. I don't necessarily think that. I want to hear what you think. I don't necessarily.
Misha 1:06:45
I don't think it should lose any points there.
Tyler 1:06:48
I mean, nothing more issues, but okay, nothing like two major just like little things that like it's sign at the time. So like, for example, there's a scene when I forget exactly when it happened now, I think it was at the end when when Prince Charming and Cinderella are going up to get married. Gus Gus, Cuddles up to jack and jack puts his arm around him like but then notices that it's Gus, Gus and recoils. You know, the classic like, Oh, yeah. Like that sort of homophobia. I mean, maybe it wasn't alright for Gus to cuddle up but But Jack does put his arm around him like Ian likes to cuddle but then realizes who it is. So I didn't like that. But of course sign of the time. Yeah. So one of the women mice leave the sewing to the women.
Misha 1:07:43
Yeah, I wrote that. And I was like, I don't like that at all. It like stuck out. But yeah, you're right. Even
Tyler 1:07:50
excited to help with the sewing and there were clearly other boy mice.
Misha 1:07:54
Right? Leave the sewing to the women and I was like,
Tyler 1:07:57
oh fuck yeah. Inside the inside the dress like the people taking the needle and pushing it back out. I love that animation. By the way. This it seems. Yeah. Because they're coding all of these mice with like the clothes they're wearing. It looks like some of these boy mice were helping with the sewing. But anyway. Little things like that. Yeah,
Misha 1:08:15
I think it should. Yeah, and
Tyler 1:08:16
this isn't a doesn't sit right thing, but I just remembered it and I forgot to mention animation. At the end. There's a shot of Cinderella and Prince Charming in the carriage than the next shot. It's only Cinderella in the carriage and then the last shot they're kissing in the back. You see both of them. But there's like a one shot where they forgot
Misha 1:08:33
he was leaning over to tie a shoe. You would see the
Tyler 1:08:37
angle you would see him they forgot. They forgot them and maybe he leaned back it's a blooper. Go back and watch it again. And I think they forgot to put them in a shot. Okay. But that's okay. It's not it doesn't sit right thing. But I think it may be like Yeah, it's like minus, maybe minus one just for like, era. I think sexism and homophobia.
Misha 1:08:58
The the leave the sewing to the women part. Act like yeah, that bothered me.
Tyler 1:09:04
Yeah, so minus one.
Misha 1:09:06
I mean, what do you what would you run with you go get the trim in you. That's the next line. So leave the sewing to the women. You go get the trumpets. Give me a line that rhymes with trimmings.
Tyler 1:09:20
I really love JK Simmons. You go get the trimmer.
Misha 1:09:26
All right. I'm gonna give this a negative one.
Tyler 1:09:30
Yeah, I would go as high as negative two but negative one is fine. No effervescence.
Misha 1:09:36
This is fucking effervescent. This is this
Tyler 1:09:40
I think this is this is effervescent, as this is effervescent.
Misha 1:09:43
This is where this is Disney. There's no mistaking it. It is magical as fuck. And yeah,
Tyler 1:09:54
yeah. Like Bambi and beauty and this is like iconic.
Misha 1:09:59
Like we were talking about To sparkling and then the scene with the castle and the bird singing and like, you know. Yeah, I mean, you know you how you talk about having birds flutter around you and land in your hand this this is it.
Tyler 1:10:18
Yep, misses it. Well the other one is song at the South but that one's been streamed on the record because it's horrible, but
Misha 1:10:25
have you ever seen it?
Tyler 1:10:26
I haven't seen the whole thing I've seen like, as far as I remember maybe when I was a kid, by the way, like my memories. I don't think you've ever seen hating this but then once I started watching I'm like, Oh wait, I know I love Gus because I remember loving the whole thing. I just hated the parts with Cinderella and Prince Charming but yeah, I don't know. I don't remember. I remember the zippity doo da song and like the bluebird on his shoulder.
Misha 1:10:48
Oh, yeah, I do too. But I think only like a clip not. I don't think it might have just been a clip.
Tyler 1:10:56
Yeah, so I think 1010 out of 10 for effervescence or power plus 10 rather. Okay, yeah. So what is the total
Misha 1:11:05
it is holy moly. This is I don't even know how this happened. This is a 72 this is now officially the highest ranked
Tyler 1:11:21
number one watched number one watch
Tyler 1:11:28
Okay, so story was high. High music was high sidekick villain both high and that that really helped because some of these enhance Yeah, some of these most of these movies don't have seen so far. Yeah, those carried it.
Misha 1:11:45
Honestly, it was a Goofy Movie. And Bambi.
Tyler 1:11:50
Yep. And this beat them by almost a full 10 points. Eight points higher. Wow. This point. The lead. Yeah, who we? Wow. Oh, good. I'm a bit surprised. But by the way, speaking of which, beginning in the beginning you use made it sound like you thought that we would have different opinions do Were you surprised by my opinion with this movie?
Misha 1:12:12
Yes. i Because last week, you were like, I don't like Cinderella, and it was like and then I watched it this time and I was like, This is great. I'm not sure what his problems are gonna be but maybe he does have probably.
Tyler 1:12:25
I might have cut that out for time in the last episode, but I definitely did say like, I remember hating it. I don't know how else. But
Misha 1:12:31
it couldn't be what you said like the plot of just Cinderella being like a fairy god having a fairy Fairy Godmother helping her to the ball. She meeting Prince Charming. She puts on the slipper and happily ever after. That sucks. Yeah, that's not this movie. It's like they should have named it Cinderella's friends. Yeah.
Tyler 1:12:57
Of Mice and Lady. Yeah. I think I said the same thing about Bambi like I've remembered not liking I've remembered not liking Bambi but then Bambi has been my favorite. Yeah, gang. What a Bibbidi Bobbidi boo. Yeah.
Misha 1:13:13
Congratulations to Cinderella,
Tyler 1:13:16
Cinderella. And congrats to you for sticking with us. This is episode 17 Coming up next episode 18 is cocoa.
Misha 1:13:23
Cocoa time. We'll see how this does because I mean you know what I thought cocoa was going to be our may still may still be the runner. We'll see breaking breaking the charts. I didn't expect Cinderella to do as well as it did. Yeah,
Tyler 1:13:42
I didn't either. Pleasantly surprised. And I think cook I think cocoa no matter what we'll probably have a strong not to have bias before going into it. But just from everything I've heard it's probably going to have a pretty high score. We'll see how high I can get. Well, we doctor the if you send us money. Will we talk to the numbers? No. Yeah. Yes. If you do want to get in touch with us and tell us like how dare you put that score, then you can send us an email at much Abu about [email protected]. You can direct those to me.
Misha 1:14:17
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Misha 1:14:29
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Tyler 1:14:34
and until next time, thanks everybody and see
Misha 1:14:38
if any battery bye.
Tyler 1:14:41
That was good. Thanks.