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Tyler 00:00
content warning although this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and may contain content some people find offensive.
Misha 00:27
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing we review and rate animated Disney films in alphabetical order using a scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I'm Misha.
Tyler 00:38
And I'm Tyler. And this week we are talking about well, we are happy to talk about a movie that is not in the cars universe.
Misha 00:47
Um, but you know, after after watching i'll just say what the title of the movie is after watching Chicken Little I thought to myself, do I miss cars? Yeah.
Tyler 01:02
So this is 2005 Chicken Little it is apparently I could be wrong, but I read this somewhere Disney's first full digital movie. Not including Pixar, because Pixar was still technically its own company and actually it shows Yeah, it shows this is an actually did word like at this point. We're in the Pixar Disney feud era before Disney buys Pixar. So this is like Disney competing with Pixar and tripping on its own Wang and getting it stuck up its own nostril it is. Oh, well. Its
Misha 01:37
own Kool Aid. Talking about chicken.
Tyler 01:40
Yeah, so I was watching this I was like what if there weren't other cars movie? And we could van cars. Cars are so bad though. But this movie was something so let's get into
Misha 01:54
it was something Okay, let's
Tyler 01:58
so before we do you're sure see your summary because we forgot i We skipped over last time. Let's jump to your summary. But for those that are new or haven't listened before or are coming back, thank you for listening and welcome.
Misha 02:13
Why are you starting with this episode? If this is your first episode, please send us an email or you know get in touch with us and just tell us why of
Tyler 02:24
your explanation. Yeah, like what's what's up? What's going on with you? Why is this? The episode view Okay, are you how the hell are things? I know it's Thanksgiving slash indigenous peoples day slash. Black Friday is over. And it's not
Misha 02:41
indigenous peoples day. Columbus Columbus Day, right. It's Native American heritage. month and day. So apologies for getting the holiday incorrect last time. When we you know whenever that was on that day.
Tyler 03:00
Yeah, I think it was last time. Yeah, good shout. But yeah, like I maybe that that happened and you're still full on like tofurkey or real turkey or like full on. You're like, elbowing people out of the whale, Walmart to get your electronics and what is my life somebody?
Misha 03:20
As somebody who does a fully vegetarian? Thanksgiving? I do not serve tofurkey and I never have okay, because Turkey is the worst part anyway. So why would I make a worse version of that I just do a bunch of sides and other mains. And it's fantastic without tofurkey that
Tyler 03:43
sounds very smart. Because I don't like the whole, like, vegetarian food that tastes or looks like real food angle. Either personally, I mean, that is, you know, vegetarian. That's my, my, my take that no one cares about so. But anyway, why? This is your first episode. I'm just wondering, like, what existential crisis brought you here? And I'm just we're just checking in on you. I hope you're
Misha 04:06
okay. existential crisis is they watched all three,
Tyler 04:09
and then came to this and then
Misha 04:10
then heard about our podcasts and they're like, oh, Chicken Little it can't be that bad.
Tyler 04:16
Can't be that. Well, we'll see. But yes, thanks for listening. And we for those that are totally new again, why, but thank you for coming. We rate these movies on scales of one to 10 in different categories, such as or including up to an including originality story. This is a zany episode already this I think this movie got to my brain,
Misha 04:41
the exact he's going to give you the exhaustive list. The exhaustive here are all of the categories.
Tyler 04:47
This is my sort of Woodrow Wilson ask post World War 114 points that are actually 11 points. We write these on originality story with less racism because Woodrow Wilson was a nasty racist. Every what the categories originality story, animation, music and sound protagonist sidekick villain henchmen strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor and then we have minus points for doesn't sit right. Bonus points for effervescence if it has some of that Disney magic, total score out of 110 they're done. Thank you Now what was this movie about?
Misha 05:29
Okay, we all know the story of chicken legs, do we? I don't know. I realized I don't remember the story of Chicken Little. So Okay. Here's my personal story that I promised in last week's episode that I would talk about today. I in kindergarten, I was in the play Chicken Little. And I played the hen. And I improvised. Oh, okay. Apart. No, it was good. So we were all supposed to be scared. And I never practiced this leading up to it. And I did this like, shutter shiver thing. Like, where I like, what do you call it? Where you like, click your teeth, like, like, you know, shivering your teeth or whatever chatter chattering and I did a whole my whole body like shook in this way. And everyone loved it. And I got full applause from the audience and chuckles And I was so proud of myself. And I loved it. And it was like, I still feel good about it. And that was a long time ago. And so that was my most glorious moment on stage in my entire life.
Tyler 06:46
Excellent, wonderful. And it was only three years ago. Yeah, so the story is I actually don't it's a European folktale. I don't know if it's a Brothers Grimm thing, or what? But it's like a, an actually, I think in Europe. It's not the same name. It's got some other name like, I want to say Henny Penny, but that could be totally wrong. But yeah, Chicken Little it's like about, it's sort of like a folktale like don't it's either cautioning against mass hysteria or saying hey, follow the crowd. I can't remember. But Chicken Little.
Misha 07:23
Oh, according to Wikipedia, you are correct. It's Henny Penny. Yes. Also sometimes known as chicken licken.
Tyler 07:33
I like that one.
Misha 07:35
I don't
Tyler 07:38
That is disgusting. Chicken legged. It is a European folktale. Yeah. So yeah, Chicken Little gets hit or Henny Penny or whatever gets hit on the head with an acorn and thinks the sky is falling. And then I don't remember what happens in the folktale but I think it's like Chicken Little is the it's a morality tale and Chicken Littles like the dummy and it's like the Chicken Little supposed to learn learn a lesson out of this, I think right? Or is it that the Yeah, cuz nothing's actually falling for this guy. Hey, corn hit so many things that he or she Right. Right. So I think it's about it.
Misha 08:16
Yes. So it says that there are a lot of different endings over the like, throughout history that there have been different endings, the most familiar one being that a fox invites them to its lair and eats them all.
Tyler 08:29
Nice. That is classic sort of European folk tale. The moral of the story is, don't go in the woods, because some hairy thing is going to eat your intestines. And hey,
Misha 08:41
I'm here for so he's talking about
Tyler 08:43
chicken noodle. So it's yeah, I'll let you I'll let you go with it. I just want to say well, we can get to in story. Their approach was their approach to this was perhaps the most interesting thing about it, but go, how do they look at this? So
Misha 08:57
this chicken little knot, Zach Braff. Who's the other one? That was Zach Braff, who was thinking
Tyler 09:08
I was doing a nasally Middle School voice to get the part.
Misha 09:14
Oh, I thought that just was his voice. No, I
Tyler 09:17
think he usually is a little bit lower. Okay.
Misha 09:19
So Zach Braff is Chicken Little, and a piece of something falls out of the sky and hits him in the head. And he rings the bell of his town, the alarm bell and says the sky is falling, the sky is falling, and everyone including his dad is like, Oh my God, you're such an idiot. You're so wrong. And he's upset because he knows it's true. He was concussed. He got hit in the head multiple times. I guess they don't have doctors in their town. And no He cares that his eyes were rolling back into his head and he was confused and he was obviously concussed. Although he was telling the truth. He was definitely concussed. So they just ignored it and made fun of him. A year goes by. And now they're in this world. There are movies and books about this incident called crazy little chicken. And he's famous for getting confused and being and making up stories. And then again, a piece of the sky like this octagonal plate, falls out of the sky and directly hits him in the head again. And he hides it from his dad because his dad is embarrassed by him. Something about him joining the baseball team. He joins the baseball team, which is a huge part of the story. He his dad doesn't believe in him. He joins it. He plays one game, he hits the ball which, okay, me describing a movie
Tyler 11:15
sometimes
Misha 11:18
describing
Tyler 11:20
it is like this is the perfect storm because this movie's plot was so disjointed and then you trying to recreate it is maddening? Absolutely.
Misha 11:29
So he's, he's an adult, you know, I used to play softball, and I and I used to go to baseball games growing up. Okay, so he's there. So he's up everybody is throwing up or sick or concussed on the team and they don't know what's happening. Everyone's injured or something. The whole team, so the only person left to bat is Chicken Little and they're just like, Listen, this is a wild pitcher. Just they're gonna, you're gonna be walked, right, let the pitcher just walk you're not going to hit
Tyler 12:02
as your because you're so tiny that your strike zone is so small. That's that's what it was, which was insane. Like, so it's a subjective strike zone based on the size of the person. Yeah. Like, don't try to get it because
Misha 12:16
no, in a year and I'm like, No, wait. So what is the lifespan of these chickens that this chicken can't grow in a year? Anyway,
Tyler 12:26
he does. He does say at some point, like I've put on eight grams or something. Look at me how big I am dad and I'm like, gross.
Misha 12:33
Okay. And then. So he keeps swinging even though everybody's telling him not to because they're like, Oh, you idiot. You can't even lift the baseball bat. Anyway, he hits the fucking ball. He gets something happens. He gets to home plate. He scores a run. The team wins. His dad likes him now. Maybe then the plate falls from the sky and then the plate again falls from the sky. Then they have to hot he hides it from his dad. His friends come over. Steve's on and
Tyler 13:12
was runt of the litter a pig.
Misha 13:16
Okay, speaking of runt, his mom should say the
Tyler 13:19
characters names because last time you just said avian bone syndrome for a whole episode. It might have been confusing for some people.
Misha 13:27
I two names.
Tyler 13:30
I know. I know. That's really good for just jabbing at you. Um, jump jab at this.
Misha 13:36
This is the best you're gonna get. So his friends come over. Oh, Runt his mom's name is credited as mama runt. So is his name. runt, Runt. Quite
Tyler 13:49
possibly runt of the litter runt, because His full name is Master runt of the litter.
Misha 13:56
Why master?
Tyler 13:57
I don't know it's in the casting thing. I don't know why Master I didn't hear that explained anywhere.
Misha 14:03
Okay, anyway, so they now have this plate. The plate can mirror what's behind it, so it reflects or whatever it's like this technology. It's obviously technology. Then it goes then the fish gets somehow flies up on the plate. The plate goes up to the sky. Then you find out that it's part of an alien spaceship that it's Romulan technology.
Tyler 14:42
Cloaking, right. It's
Misha 14:44
a cloaking device. Yeah. So um, so this spaceship now has the fish trapped in it so all of the friends plus Chicken Little have to go rescue the fish. Then they get into the spaceship, and there are octopus robot aliens that are attacking them, then they get out of the alien spaceship. And that robots go after them on whatever planet. Oh, yeah, whatever. I don't really know what's happening. And then Chicken Little is like about to ring the bell because there's aliens. But then he has PTSD from when everybody made fun of him and it ruined his life the first time and he doesn't do it right away. But then the goose is about to get hurt. Played by Joan CUSEC. She's about to get hurt by the octopus robots. So he rings the bell, but then it upsets them and hurts their wiring. Oh, and this little orange fuzzy thing comes out to then the alien robots. The octopuses get upset because it hurts and they run back to their spaceship and disappear and then all of the town's people come too late to see that there's nothing there, then Yep. Then I'm not really sure fast forward. The aliens come back to look for the little orange thing, because the orange thing is supposed to be on the ship. And the fish can talk to the alien.
Tyler 16:42
Yep,
Misha 16:44
somehow then. So the robots come back are doing this invasion. Shooting up knocking stuff over looking for the little orange thing. And then Chicken Little has a conversation with his dad while the whole world is being attacked about how his dad needs to be more supportive of Chicken Little and believe him and be on his side. And there's the moral and the dad's like, Okay, I'll I believe you now because his dad never believed him. Like with the rest of the townspeople.
Tyler 17:25
I believe you now that there is concrete evidence of aliens invading and things come out in the sky sounds like actively
Misha 17:30
being attacked. So now I believe so. So now I trust you on a percent when you do well in baseball, and I only believe you when I see it for myself. Okay, then they get the they know that they have to get the orange baby back. We think no, it's a baby at this point. Because the fish is telling the orange thing. Orange furry baby is telling the fish who's telling his friends or her friends or their friends that I was gonna say, fish have sexes. But some fish change sexes. Hmm,
Tyler 18:11
yeah, I feel like I've read that before. So we don't know. Fish Out of Water. Yeah. So
Misha 18:17
they have to get the orange baby back to the spaceship. So the aliens will stop the invasion or the attack. So they get to townhall up Townhall. Bring the baby back, they get zapped. And you think while this is happening, that everyone's dying. But what's really happening is they're being D materialized and re materialized in the spaceship. Then you find out that the baby's furry parents are inside the octopus robots and are controlling the octopus robots. They get the baby back and they're like, Oops, we speak English. This is all a miscommunication. We like you now. Their whole plan for being there in the first place was because they wanted acorns and they said they went to every other planet couldn't find good acorns. On the Town sign it says we've got good acorns so they go there for acorns every year. The piece of this guy that was falling off the ship was just like, you know, like when something falls off a car. And then they're like, oh, we gotta get this fixed and then they leave and the end. Oh, they helped refix the town that they messed up and then that's it. Yeah, they screwed up the town so they fixed up yeah, the end. Wow, that was really hard. Yeah,
Tyler 19:50
it's a very well we'll get into it. In the story it well okay. Then I guess that's it. That's the end of the podcast. Thanks, everybody for for listening. Sitting and it's been a wild ride.
Misha 20:01
Just kidding. I'll come back. I'll at least finish the episode. Oh, yes.
Tyler 20:05
Oh, you pulled like a James Brown or you walk off and they put the cape on you throw the cape off and you're back
Misha 20:15
up next to Cinderella and I'll enjoy watching that and talking about it. So I'll stick around a little longer. Yeah,
Tyler 20:23
we really we really need I don't. I mean, I remember not liking Cinderella. But we really need something like that we really need like, an old two dimensional, classic to either, like more than we remember liking or dunk on again. But we need some some sort of palate cleanser because these like 2000s Some of these things are just I mean, we we're in a we're in a trough and we need to we need just soon. I
Misha 20:50
feel like I was abducted by aliens and blacked out for three hours. And now I'm back.
Tyler 20:56
Yeah, this one was I it might be the shortest movie we've watched. So far. It was like 80 minutes long, including credits. And it's the one I remember the details of maybe the least, because it's like, it's just so bad. But anyway, let's let's get into it. Because there's a lot to talk about with story. I think. The first is originality. I mean, it's based on a folktale, as we said, so it's not original, but they take an original take, which makes no sense. Yes.
Misha 21:33
Okay, but I do give it has made sense. Yeah, I think it could have made sense, right? Like the sky is falling. And let's say it was
Tyler 21:48
like if they just go the alien thing, that's fine. But this like baseball plus aliens was, but yeah, right.
Misha 21:54
Plus, whatever, right? They could have right, they could have just, I don't even know what to do what to do. Because there was no moral or lesson learned. Like if you forget the baseball and the dad thing. There's no lesson there's no point. Yeah,
Tyler 22:15
that's I mean, if you if you take the most optimistic route, and you give this movie, way more benefit of the doubt than it deserves, then maybe you could argue that the moral of the story is unconditional love, like you don't you should love someone. No matter how good they are baseball or no matter what the rest of the town says about them. They're your son you should love them unconditionally. Which eventually he does. He's like he's like
Misha 22:43
It's like outward support of your children.
Tyler 22:48
Yeah, which eventually he does but it does take an alien invasion to push them push them there but he is saying like I support you on a percent but it does sound a bit forced and anyway but yeah, I think that's probably the moral like Chicken Little doesn't have the protagonist doesn't have a more right really it's the data
Misha 23:05
we're taught right because this you write Buck okay. So originality they do.
Tyler 23:16
clock clock because name is Buck clock games. Cluck cluck, cluck. hijk Chicks is His name is Buck Cluck. And his nickname is Ace. So Buck ace Cluck cluck. And let me tell you there was way too much but cluck in this
Misha 23:32
chicken little cluck
Tyler 23:36
but Chicken Littles name is also Ace Ace Cluck. He's named after his they're both as sad named him. I mean, they don't say this in the movie, but his his dad was a baseball hero. His dad was a hometown high school baseball chatty, right, because they talked about it, and his nice and Chicken Littles name is Ace according to casting details in an IMDB and Wikipedia. So what that tells me is okay, the dad and his kid after his high school nickname.
Misha 24:11
name isn't Chicken Little.
Tyler 24:13
Now that's his nickname. His name is Ace Cluck.
Misha 24:17
His dad's name is Ace Cluck.
Tyler 24:19
His dad's name is buck. Ace got it? Sorry. Hi. So he named his kid his nickname. It's like, but it's another sort of like my nickname in high school was Charlie Brown because I'm a mopey guy. Charlie Brown. Yeah, I'm still Charlie Brown. But it's like, okay, you
Misha 24:39
can come out. You can come out please name your daughter's one, Charlie one brown.
Tyler 24:47
Yeah, I was gonna say I was gonna say something like that. Like, it's like if I did that, but I'm not a home. I'm not a high school hero so it doesn't count. But for like the high school football here. It was like his glory days were high school football. All and he was his name was like his name was like laser and then he named his kid laser because that's what he was known as are like, Yeah, but cluck is a bad dad. Anyway, he says that. Okay, so,
Misha 25:13
originality, I mean, they take an original twist. I don't think it's that's the thing. I think it's not that aside from the story and the movie, like, let's say somebody just pitched the idea.
Tyler 25:25
Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's okay. That's right.
Misha 25:28
Like, okay, we're gonna make Chicken Little. The sky is falling. It's aliens. We live in a time where like, kids love alien movies. It's like a piece from an alien spaceship and then aliens invade. Okay, that's a cool idea. Like, yeah, yeah. I also think just not but like, but
Tyler 25:44
then cooler. Yeah, better than this. Yeah, better than what we want. I also think just the idea that I'm like, when it first started, I was like, this. This is gonna be bonkers. But I was like, Okay, I like the fact that they did the whole sky is falling thing. And then the rest of the movie is dealing with that. Like, I kind of liked how they almost took like a 90s teen movie take like, okay, he's trying to live down that embarrassing thing. That
Misha 26:13
one or the other? Yeah, not both. Yeah.
Tyler 26:17
They tried to like or different movies in one basically. Yeah.
Misha 26:21
Like if they had just this movie about Chicken Little and his dad and their relationship. Actually just that slightly better. Maybe just aliens and not the drama with his dad also just slightly better. But yeah, like you said four different movies. Yeah, combined into one movie that felt longer than it was sort
Tyler 26:49
of like I guess it should get a little bit of originality for like trying it didn't just do the chicken little story. It tried a different take. I think it should. But how many points are we talking?
Misha 27:01
Three. Okay.
Tyler 27:03
Okay,
Misha 27:04
you know why? Cuz I'm looking at the other thing. So Big Hero Six is based on a comic book and that only got three. But bolt isn't that original. And brother bears kind of original and cars is original. And those got four and this is less
Tyler 27:20
original than that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Three sounds good. I was thinking whether three or was too generous, but I think three makes sense. Yeah. Can I Can I just read really quick, the not all of it. But I just want to read a little bit of like the production background because I think something really went wrong in production. So this is from Wikipedia. This is not like any deep dive obviously. But like in September 2001. Director Mark Dindo I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly developed the idea for Chicken Little with its title character envisioned as an overreacting doom and gloom, female chicken that went to summer camp to build confidence so she would not overreact, as well as repair her relationship with her father. At the summer camp, she would uncover a nefarious plot that her camp counselor who was to be voiced by Penn Jillette was planning against her hometown. And then that was scrapped and rewritten and it took two and a half years to come up.
Misha 28:16
It sounds so much.
Tyler 28:18
That sounds better. Yeah,
Misha 28:20
it's like a simple idea is one idea. Yeah.
Tyler 28:25
And then what the Dindo would pitch this idea to Michael Eisner. Who was the CEO I think at the time who suggested it would be better to change Chicken Little to a male because fuckheads
Misha 28:39
didn't because he's a dick cut it off. So
Tyler 28:43
didn't know said if you're a boy and you're short you get picked on that's what the
Misha 28:48
oh shut the fuck up, boohoo Cry me a fucking river. Yeah.
Tyler 28:53
And then But then the director later clarified that the decision was made in part due to market research like classic bullshit like girls will go to see a movie with a boy protagonist ism but boys won't go to see a movie with a girl protagonist. I'll
Misha 29:04
tell you I'm gonna flip this fucking desk over was the
Tyler 29:08
wisdom at the time until frozen comes out and makes $1 billion. Yeah, exactly. Fucking have you can have a strong female protagonist that like the world is waiting for his dick off. And then it's also says like, too long. Don't read but like it took two and a half years of rewriting with several writers to come up with this shitshow that we end up with, which is like, like we said a fucking four movies in one gobbledygook. But
Misha 29:36
no, I just learned what. I just learned what TLDR was like three days ago. I was like, What the fuck is this? And then I'd read everything.
Tyler 29:45
It did confuse me for a while because of like the use of the semicolon. And I was like, what? What's going on?
Misha 29:51
Yes. Yeah, it's okay. Anyway.
Tyler 29:56
So story. Yeah, so okay, just really quick. I don't want to run through the whole thing again because you just went through it. Chicken Little it's a year after the big incident where he was embarrassed and everyone is remembering it. They're making like media out of it. He's trying to live it down his dad is embarrassed. And then something happens at school he accidentally pulls the fire alarm because this girl foxy Loxy played by Amy Sedaris, or voice by Amy sitters makes fun of him and picks on him or something. Anyway, he pulls the wider the fire thing. And that causes another incident. So the principal calls him in principal voice by Shawn again.
Misha 30:36
That's a shout out. Again to Yes,
Tyler 30:43
and again
Misha 30:44
giving the old silhouette through the door. Did you notice that you do that movie?
Tyler 30:51
Yeah, I think it was like a I think it was like a nod. I hope it was. Oh, and he's like, yeah, if you don't get your son straight, he's gonna be speaking
Misha 30:59
of a nod to Goofy Movie. I think what happened is they made a Goofy Movie. They went forward and time through time travel, because Disney definitely has something. I mean, they have so much money. They listen to our podcast about a Goofy Movie and they're like oh shit, we segregated this school. Misha and Tyler absolutely right. Okay, now we're making Chicken Little and and we're going to make it a mix school because we've learned our lesson we can't have segregated schools Yeah. So we've got what they should have done is fast forward and and fast forward in time a few weeks or months later however long ago that was to this episode, and never made Chicken Little but then
Tyler 31:49
it's a weird strange loop that doesn't stop like when you point a video camera. Yeah, in a Best Buy at the TV and it just creates Oh, yeah. Anyway, so he's he's Yeah, his dad picks him up and he's like really upset because he's embarrassed once again. So then Chicken Little overheard the conversation and the principal decides to join the baseball team joins the baseball team hits a homer and in in bounce home or whatever they're called. He doesn't well, he gets a homework as he gets to home home base. That's is Yeah, Homer even though it didn't go over the fence.
Misha 32:23
I know some things about baseball. I
Tyler 32:26
know. Practically nothing about baseball. But yeah, like, if you hit
Misha 32:30
a Homer, I think that means it has to, but
Tyler 32:33
you can have you can have a field Homer or something like that. Where you know, that's what happened here. And then, everybody,
Misha 32:44
I wouldn't technically call it that they fucked up enough and he accidentally got too hot. But I
Tyler 32:48
think that happens in baseball to baseball's like Keystone cop. Sometimes
Misha 32:52
he is playing baseball. Yeah, I
Tyler 32:55
know. But I think you're talking about baseball real? Yeah. But I mean, in real life isn't real life. No, this is this is just fantasy, real life.
Misha 33:05
They were playing Indiana Jones. Raiders of the Lost Ark explained to me how live action. Real Life humans can be playing on a screen in this world.
Tyler 33:19
I don't know. And they mentioned Hollywood. And they mentioned movies being made out of this.
Misha 33:24
Yeah, that. That's fun that I actually find you can have the cartoon version of that. Yeah, they are referencing. They had real people. Harrison Ford was on the screen.
Tyler 33:39
Yeah. I don't know how. I really don't know why they did that. They literally just threw spaghetti at the wall and then like, we're like, does this work? Yeah, it was weird that we're watching. Why did that happen? I think it was just it was a throwaway scene like they were just watching Raiders of the Lost Ark in the theater for some reason. Weird.
Misha 34:00
I Yeah.
Tyler 34:02
So yeah, anyway, Chicken Little hits at home or in inbounds home or whatever he runs around wins the game his dad loves them then the alien thing happens. And then they the aliens invade because Kirby the orange baby alien is missing. And so it becomes like Yeah, so it's father son. Goofy Movie want to be baseball movie Goofy Movie want to be because Gary Marshall is related to Penny Marshall, I guess. And then alien invasion because War of the Worlds came out recently, like, around the same time. And they had the spider spider aliens. So they're trying to cash in on that. And then yeah, so it's like disjointed four stories and one and none of them really work like the father son things forced and doesn't work and thing. Yeah, like you said, I mean, if they just stuck to the alien thing that would have been fine if they stuck to the fathers the summer camp idea that would have been fine, but what do we give this first story? Uh, basically, I'm I'm talking, I'm talking and to try to put off whatever this is gonna get. But I mean, here's my here's my suggestion for story score. And you can take it you can you can put it in your softball glove and throw it right back at me or you can run home with it.
Misha 35:24
Stop it.
Tyler 35:25
I think it gets a one.
Misha 35:27
Okay, good. Yeah, me too. It is a mess.
Tyler 35:31
It is. It's a mess. It's detestable. It is a virus,
Misha 35:36
so many little things. It is vital and I want to get to that when we get to animation. But there's this one point where the mayor Turkey was taking that
Tyler 35:48
Mayor lurky please, let's be a little bit
Misha 35:51
of a bubble bath. In a vessel outside, fully clothed with candles in the water sticking up outside.
Tyler 36:09
Was he fully clothed? Yeah, because there are a lot of Donald ducking situations going on here where like you could see
Misha 36:15
like, you can see his tequila. I think, Tyler You could he had his hat on and like I think you could see like a pilgrim outside. Okay, there's a movie. Um, yeah. Why was he doing that? Why were there candles in the tub? It's not a tub because it was like, shallow like a fountain like a bird bath. That's what it was. It was a bird bath. He was taking a bubble bath. fully clothed in a birdbath with like, pillar candles in the water. Yeah, outside.
Tyler 36:58
I mean, it's totally fine to that. I find it odd that that's what you're kind of stuck on.
Misha 37:08
It was so it was very shocking.
Tyler 37:12
I mean, to be honest, I shocked Yeah, to be fair, like, this will be so ridiculous that sometimes you just got to gravitate to you're like, I mean, it's all a mess. So this is the thing I noticed. The thing that really stuck out to me is like I mean, we can get into this with characters I think but the fact that like, no one has a real fucking name. It's all like we don't hear I don't even know if we hear ace Cluck Chicken Littles real name. We just hear Chicken Little Fish Out of Water runt of the litter. Foxy Loxy. Turkey. Lurkey. What world is this for? Nobody has a real name. That's weird. I don't like it. Like they just keep calling. Abby. Joan cusecs character Ugly Duckling. Instead of like calling her Abby. Some people do call her up her friends call her
Misha 37:55
littles says I've always found you attractive and kisses her
Tyler 38:00
without consent. And then she's like, Oh, my and then her
Misha 38:05
later, a year later, they're at the movie theaters and they accidentally touch hands and they start blushing. And I'm like you to verde smooched on the mouth. Like, what? You don't go from a big ol smooch on the mouth to like, no physical contact, and then getting embarrassed when you're sharing
Tyler 38:22
what happened in that year. You know, maybe they maybe they didn't get together. Maybe the not having the thrill of an alien invasion meant that like, they didn't find each other as attractive. And then they go off to summer camp where they both like, get weird feelings when they look at the way that son glints off the pond water and then they come back and they look at each other again and then they're like really into each other again, but they're not together so they have to build up that relationship to where they're touching watching a movie about themselves with their dad
Misha 38:53
to know a lot about this. happened to you before did you smooch a girl on the mouth without her consent? Wait a year to like then touch your hand? Absolutely
Tyler 39:04
not. Absolutely not. If anything the opposite. No smooching for Tyler for a long time. Anyway, so I've got so much more I want to talk about by the way Turkey Lurkey the the character the mayor that you have trouble with voiced by Don Knotts?
Misha 39:27
Yeah, actually, like done not so yeah,
Tyler 39:30
this movie is this is like A Bug's Life. It's stacked with voice talent that is mostly underutilized. Yeah. We don't have like a day Matt Madeline Kahn and this but we've got fucking like everybody is in this. Basically
Misha 39:48
Patrick Stewart plays the teacher and he's teaching Okay, here's another thing that really bothered me. He's teaching mutton, mutton, mutton class. Okay, and then I was like, Wait muttons a meat. So then I was like, Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it just does mean like cow. Wait, like, okay, chicken is chicken not like pork is pig maybe mutton is mutton like chicken is chicken, so I looked it up. I do have a funny story about that. So I looked it up. The definition of mutton is the flesh of sheep, especially mature sheep used as food. Yep. And I get that he was a wolf. But then why would he be allowed to teach all these students that he's a wolf? That's like,
Tyler 40:37
wasn't he a sheep? What was he a wolf in sheep's clothing? Well, he wasn't as a Mr. woolens worth. Wasn't he a sheep? Okay.
Misha 40:45
Tell me I
Tyler 40:48
thought it was I think he was supposed to be
Misha 40:50
in sheep's clothing. Oh, he's just a sheep. I just disgusted didn't look at him in the face.
Tyler 40:58
He's just really weird looking. Yeah, he might well actually, you know, but under that sheep's outfit. He might be a you might be a wolf. We Okay.
Misha 41:07
Imagine, imagine. I there was a human going to school and being taught. I mean, we don't have a name for human flesh. What like, Well, some people do in meat. Oh, what does that mean? Well,
Tyler 41:25
it was just call back to the Armie Hammer thing from us.
Misha 41:33
Cannibals call human meat? lovers name?
Tyler 41:38
shufoo Okay,
Misha 41:39
have you heard of Hugh foo? It's like tofu that's meant to taste like human.
Tyler 41:46
It's a real thing. Anybody would know that? That is so gross. That can't be real. Is that real?
Misha 41:52
I would try it. Okay,
Tyler 41:54
I'm gonna sit down on a human hand.
Misha 41:59
Say hunk down on cuz that's not whatever you're about to say. It's not what that means. Very possible. Wait, didn't you previous did in a previous I was uh, you said, hung down. Haka. But or something
Tyler 42:13
honk. Did I say honk down? I don't remember. I might have said honk up.
Misha 42:18
Okay, let's look up. What is the definition of honk up and honk down and hug? I know honk. I think you know what this is like? Surely
Tyler 42:28
it's enough. It's like
Misha 42:30
whacking. Like whack on whack off whack a person. It's the same thing. And I get confused between all of them and use them interchangeably. Which I shouldn't.
Tyler 42:40
It's also problematic because like, I don't think people actually say honk down or honk up. I just I do sometimes and maybe we
Misha 42:48
should we should start. But I think geese do.
Tyler 42:51
D certainly do. Yeah. Like loosey goosey and this is that loosey goosey is Foxy Loxy is best friend, pendulum and Foxy Loxy is the mean bully character who later has a brain wipe and becomes a girly girl and they and they say no don't change her brain back I like her the way she is. And then the pig wants to have sex with her and sing with her and then he kisses her yeah, there's that's a problem this the aliens are like her brain scrambled should I unscramble it and bring her back to normal normality and the if somebody
Misha 43:28
has brain trauma or can't cognitively be able to consent. There is no consent given Yeah. Right. If somebody can't make that decision, there's no consent given that's disgusting. This movie is disgusting.
Tyler 43:44
Oh, yeah. It's uh, yeah. Okay, so let's get I really wanted to I don't know if this is the right place to do it. Wait,
Misha 43:52
I have more about the story. Okay. Yeah. So I guess this is story I honestly it might be animation, but I'm just gonna talk about it. So on Chicken Littles bedside table, he has a lamp, that's an egg. That is the equivalent like an egg shell. Right, like the bottom half of an egg, a cracked egg and then a cracked
Tyler 44:17
miss that like, what?
Misha 44:20
Why? Oh, he
Tyler 44:21
also has a framed picture of his dad in his room and I'm just like, this kid is really messed up. And I know his mom's gone. But this kid is like, Wait, was his mom in the photo? No, there's that's in the hallway. There's a picture of the family but in his room, he has a picture of his dad and have a picture of his mom whose dad see it. There's the only picture we see of the mom is the one book club clock is talking to the pictures about this his you know, trying to make sure that he's taking care of their little boy or whatever. Yeah, he's got some different hero worship of this dad and the dad is like, anyway, I just really wanted to like okay, so I don't want to take too much on that. But I just got to hammer home, how wasted how much wasted potential, Zach Braff. Whatever. He's in this movie, and I don't care about him, John Cusack?
Misha 45:09
I don't care about whatever.
Tyler 45:11
Yep. Gary Marshall. He's in it a bunch and he's made some AMI sedans yours is amazing, totally unused. Don Stewart Stewart, Fred Willard Catherine O'Hara, Patrick Warburton, will Harry shear
Misha 45:26
get to this in a few categories. But do you see a theme with all these actors?
Tyler 45:34
I mean, what there's 123 that are in wait 123 or three that are in like the like the the Spinal Tap movies like The mighty wind and those ones and waiting for Guffman but
Misha 45:50
that's this is your called? your so called with where I was going?
Tyler 45:54
Okay. What's the theme?
Misha 45:56
They're all white.
Tyler 45:58
Oh, well, yeah, of course that I mean, I said we'll get to this in a few categories thinking too deeply. But yeah.
Misha 46:05
Or maybe you weren't thinking deeply enough Tyler? Who?
Tyler 46:09
I am chastened. But yeah, like it's just so much and then it's basically I mean, John Q sex and it for a lot but in Steve's on to, but like, I mean, Amy Sedaris is so good, and she's just some random bully that's barely used. Anyway. Okay. So one for story. One for story. Yes. Movie Sucks. Animation.
Misha 46:32
Okay, okay.
Tyler 46:35
This movie. Okay, so here's Okay, so here's the thing. The anime just, I mean, the animation is bad. If you haven't figured that out by like what we said, yeah, it's very bad. I mean, it's so bad that it's hard to watch. It's just we also have to think like, Okay, what was what was technology capable of at the time, cars
Misha 46:57
came out four years after that cars one, and that got a very high score for animation. I understand that. It's Pixar, but Disney has enough money. And they could have just hired better talent and put more effort into making it And shame on them. Because this was garbage. And cars was, I am sorry that I'm using cars as the example. But the animation was very good. The animation was excellent. And that came out four years after I
Tyler 47:22
tell you something, it came out the exact same year after it came out in 2006. But still,
Misha 47:31
and wrong in my head. I
Tyler 47:32
would say even more to your point. I mean, I was trying to think of something like okay, this is the first time that because the big digital movies that Disney has been a part of were Pixar, Pixar, which came from Lucas Ilm. Like we're not Disney people. So this is their first attempt to do what Pixar does without Pixar people. And it flopped hard. So yeah, so I think you're right, I'm wrong. The technology was there, they just didn't do it. And what's more, to your point that shows even more than they could have done it is two years earlier Finding Nemo
Misha 48:05
Yeah, this is Jarbidge, which
Tyler 48:08
I haven't seen in a while but I remember being beautiful like Toy Story wanting to probably don't hold up anime choice but we A Bug's Life we watch that and that held up pretty well like yeah, it looks like animation is better than this. And that was less 9898 was the game I know boasts 90 Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, I think this gets there's no I don't know if they could do this yet. But there was no subsurface scattering. So all the characters looked like like plopped into a horrible like old video game world. Yeah, there was no like life to their faces. I read somewhere like Oh, Zack brass character Chicken Little so cute. He's so expressive. Now he's got like dead eyes. Probably from that concussion in the beginning of the movie. But cluck looks like they took the soul of John Candy and tried to draw it. And it didn't work. And
Misha 49:02
at one point, when they dumped the Gatorade on Chicken Little at the game, it was very viscous. And I was like, this looks like motor oil, but green. Like it was super thick. It was thick. And at one point, I forget what was I think it was during the alien invasion. They had a crowd and everybody was scared and one of the dogs put its arms up and couldn't. It's like, their shoulders didn't work. And they just had their arms. Like raised from the elbow, and it just looked bizarre like bodies didn't work.
Tyler 49:42
We definitely saw some creatures. The
Misha 49:45
pig is disgusting. The pig is so disgusting. Like when he crawled on the ground. I'm sorry. Have any of you who made this ever seen a pig have any ever seen any Have these animals like, it's like, for all of them, they took pillows and balloons as their animation inspiration and then just stuck features onto them. It was awful. Yeah,
Tyler 50:13
watching Ron like crawl around and dances have reminded me of like the animated Animal Farm just like a lot. Just like a visceral, like gross look at pigs like how, like these guys are like Watership Down when they take rabbits and make them like, dark. That's so that's what runt kind of reminded me of and like the there was just some gross close ups on the foxes mouth like we don't need like a pilot I had braces. I know braces are embarrassing to wear and they're, you know, doesn't help your image but like, we don't need a close up of the bad guys braces in her weird mouth and we don't need Oh my god. Okay, so this and there's so many creatures that the run their runs look weird. They all like looks kind of like Steven Seagal running which by the way, anyone? YouTube, search on YouTube. Look at Steven Seagal ready? It's worth your time.
Misha 51:08
I'm very nauseous. Just thinking about it's like you did a super cut in my brain of the grossest part. Yeah.
Tyler 51:16
And I tried to hold back but then I saw like, like, you kind of cartoon style started turning green. And so I just kept going and talking to your doctor. So apologies for making you more ill but it was kind of fun to watch. So animation,
Misha 51:32
I'm gonna throw it again deserves
Tyler 51:34
a like I think it deserves a one.
Misha 51:36
Yeah, yes. Just so so terribly done.
Tyler 51:42
This is the this animation is. This is Oh,
Misha 51:47
and the donkey. In the school the donkey looked like the Shrek donkey. They that was a direct ripoff. Yeah,
Tyler 51:57
there was so many things like callbacks and robot sins. I mean, we didn't even talk about the opening title where they ripped off Lion King to try to make a joke. Oh, right. Which was fine. I guess hard hard.
Misha 52:10
This it's like, Who's that for?
Tyler 52:12
It's for grandpa's, I don't know, adults. Oh,
Misha 52:17
at the end when Chicken Little is like in the window of town hall and has to scale the dome. And it's really tense moment where the dad is like, scared for his safety. Right? And they like build it. They're like building this scene where it's gonna be dramatic. It's gonna be harrowing. It's gonna be difficult and you just go blue, blue, blue, blue. Like, in a like if you're hopscotch down on a flat surface and
Tyler 52:44
in a disgusting way. He takes a little Red Rooster. Yeah. What are those called those like, not waddle because that's like the, the the rooster thing on top of their head. He takes any like, turns it into a sticky hand thing that kids throw on surfaces. And he uses that to vault himself up there. So they take this like the scene like you said, it's hair away. It's possibly harrowing. And it's like a touching moment and they just turn it into a gross animation gag.
Misha 53:14
It's saying it's a waddle
Tyler 53:19
rooster waddle. It isn't what
Misha 53:21
it's like. Oh, the comb.
Tyler 53:26
The calm, calm. Calm, the Waddle is underneath. And the comb. The calm he takes his comb and he like uses it like a sticky silly Funny thing is gross. Absolute gross. I dispute it by mail. So as the bile starts rising, so this stop, folks, this movie is now the worst scoring animation movie it scored more poorly than a Christmas carol our go to for horrifying animation. Which got to three because at least we gave it a little bit of points for some technical
Misha 54:06
ability. Good sometimes it's just grown. And I
Tyler 54:10
think actually if I'm remembering it was a while ago, but I think they got to three out of 10 Mostly because of just like to see match. One of which was that the candle Katha scudo one Yeah, exactly.
Misha 54:22
Yeah, just had zero redeeming factors. Music and sound. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. You know how to make a good movie. Start it off with the Barenaked Ladies.
Tyler 54:35
B and L. I was gonna do a cold wbnl Cold open but I thought you puke on your microphone. Or I said like it's been one week since we did this podcast. But we're starting to we're trying to build an audience not lose what we have. So I thought I would hold this up So it's gonna do I don't know if this episode is gonna air this might ruin ruin podcast forever but it's okay, so they had a bit
Misha 55:09
called and that song is called one little slip. Yeah, and they sing what do you call that the where they just repeat the line that line over and over it's like the refrain? Yes the refrain. Anyway, it just so such a garbage song and went on for so long
Tyler 55:30
and correct me if I'm wrong it was an original song written for this movie too.
Misha 55:35
I can't correct you or agree with I don't think it's
Tyler 55:39
an original song. So yeah, so they get this bad original song. And then on top of that, they throw in a bunch of like covers because runt the gross pig is always like he's not only always singing songs like all sort of I will survive and Gloria Gaynor and things like that, but also, his dialogue is mostly like, song lyrics too. Which is weird. It's like not song lyrics that like a kid would typically. Like he Why isn't he talking song? Like Limp Biscuit? I mean, that's I just got very sick well
Misha 56:19
why would they deem themselves that? You know, there are some songs in it that I like, but they didn't seem to work for this movie. Like stirred up by Patti LaBelle. I that was specifically that's from the album Beverly Hills Cop. I love Beverly Hills Cop. It's one of my favorite movies if you haven't seen that. Go watch Beverly Hills Cop. Beverly Hills Cop one is great. Beverly Hills cup two is also good. And great. Beverly Hills cup three. It holds up. Okay. I haven't seen three in a long time. But listen, don't watch Chicken Little for stir it up with by Patti LaBelle. Go watch Beverly Hills Cop the original. It is so good. Yeah.
Tyler 57:10
And at the very end about we're talking about the music in this movie. Yeah. And at the end they use Yeah. Another example of what you talked about the ain't no mountain high enough, which was Marvin Gaye and Diana Ross. I want to say I can't remember. Great song. Yeah, I will survive great song songs. Badly used in this and then. And then we have like a very faux Spice Girl. We had a Spice Girl.
Misha 57:35
What was the karaoke they were doing just felt like they were like, We're gonna spend a lot of money. Getting the licensing for these songs for a movie that no one's gonna watch.
Tyler 57:49
And at the end credits are the characters singing don't go breaking my heart by Elton John. Like karaoke. Again, but I don't want to hear I don't want to see Ron singing with his brain damaged new girlfriend like I'd love to it. So and also then on top of that, okay, so this is one of those movies where
Misha 58:12
I have don't go breaking my heart in my head. And it's really
Tyler 58:19
it's one of those movies that like everything is so jarringly in your face bad that it's really hard to concentrate on stuff that's like going on behind the scenes, like the score. I really tried to listen to the score, I had to like go back and watch parts of this movie again to catch parts of the score. Oh, in the scores. It's mad because it's like
Misha 58:38
every Yeah, there was there was one part where I noticed the score. And it was okay, when they were running to the bell tower the second time. It like the music seemed to match a little bit and like there were a couple of times I was like, okay, like they're trying to convey feeling with the music and it's kind of working, but the majority of the time it was just kind of like blah. Yeah, I was trying to also listen to sound effects and stuff like that. And the majority of time it was just kind of like, too subtle. Where it's not there's no point like the locker when he gets caught in the locker that was kind of noticeable. They should have just had less of these pop like these iconic songs. Because what's the point of the movie they should have just saved it for was saying in the future is that that's not Disney. I don't really know. But the point is, like if you're gonna make a song about music, make a song about music. This
Tyler 59:33
Yeah, it was just shoots again like another like like they're just throwing ideas in a in a blender and seeing what comes out kind of thing. Like Like I said, spaghetti.
Misha 59:44
Bright and there were a lot of big songs. Yeah, like
Tyler 59:48
a lot of money spent on like, a big whiff, basically like something that just didn't work. I don't know I mean I could go as low as one here.
Misha 1:00:02
I would give this low score but not as low as what like it was fine.
Tyler 1:00:09
I don't think it was fine. It was it was worse than fine. Yeah, it was like,
Misha 1:00:14
I would give it as high as a three.
Tyler 1:00:16
I think this is worse than the songs.
Misha 1:00:19
No, I disagree. A Bug's Life bothered me, because the score was not good. And this was just sort of like shoehorning good songs into a bad movie.
Tyler 1:00:33
And then having like, a mask or and like a bad original song. Yeah, for that.
Misha 1:00:41
I'm fine. Fine. I would go as high as a to as low as a two. Yeah,
Tyler 1:00:46
I'm not saying what? I'm not saying one here. Yeah, I agree with you about not being a one. Okay.
Misha 1:00:51
Yeah, you're right. Also, they're not fucking original. Make original songs. And they did and it sucked. You're right. You're right.
Tyler 1:00:57
Like, I'm not Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Bug's Life score, as we talked about, go back and watch that or listen to that episode. But But yeah, I think this is worse. Because it's like, it's just such a mess. Yeah. So I think too, okay.
Misha 1:01:13
to It is all right. protagonist,
Tyler 1:01:17
protagonist. He's, he's, I mean, he's kind of he's kind of a sympathetic character, because he, everyone's picking on him. And he's a good kid. And he's just trying to make his dad proud and trying to do the right thing. And he's also trying to like, get people to know that he's not a big liar. Who was an attention whore. So yeah, but he's also like, very obnoxious. And
Misha 1:01:49
I don't know that bad. I think this is going to be the highest rated category.
Tyler 1:01:55
It Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. I just think like, but then like, I'm thinking of like, compared to some of the other middling protagonists like fives and sixes that we've had I don't think he's as good as like Max Goofy, or like Aladdin. Or like who have character arcs you know, like as even though they're annoying and we had problems with them. Like they have arcs and Chicken Little doesn't really have an arc everyone else is like, learning around him kind of roll not learning. Okay,
Misha 1:02:27
so like a three because I'm thinking What were you gonna say?
Tyler 1:02:33
I was gonna be a little bit more generous and say for you know,
Misha 1:02:37
you know why? Because I was looking at some of the other like, Alice from Alice in Wonderland got a fort and I like her way more. Yeah.
Tyler 1:02:47
We gave her we ended up giving her points for like the strong female lead side of it rather than we didn't we didn't give her a lot of points because of like she's a past she's very passive and just like one Yeah, and like not she doesn't like really change that much, I think. But yeah, you're right like she's she's more likable and she's more let's talk about
Misha 1:03:07
last week if we look at cars three what's his name isn't cars what's his name? Lightning McQueen McQueen. Lightning McQueen we gave him a point extra for like sort of learning his character are you know like he bumped up a little bit compared to the other two cars and I don't think Chicken Little is as good is as good as Lightning McQueen was in three because he learned a lesson at least I
Tyler 1:03:34
agree. And it's just both equally
Misha 1:03:37
just black annoying, like but yeah, Chicken Little doesn't do anything.
Tyler 1:03:43
And yeah, he's got some, you know, childish charm, but that doesn't carry a movie. And even I mean, honestly, I think three is fine because two is probably too harsh but I think even like Lightning McQueen in the first Cars movie is is more of a I don't want to say goodbye interesting protagonist because at least like yeah, he's changing and is an asshole that is learning not
Misha 1:04:08
to be such an asshole. Yeah,
Tyler 1:04:11
yeah, side kicks. So this is the three of them there's there's Abby Mallard aka Ugly Duckling.
Misha 1:04:20
Goose fish
Tyler 1:04:22
goose is a goose is a bad guy goose is the is the foxes henchmen. She's goose is like a bullies. It's Abby Mallard who is the it's the ugly duckling aka the swan. Oh, Abby's a ugly duckling. Implied implied Swan no implied swan. It's just sort of Wikipedia to implied Swan because Ugly Duckling is actually a swan.
Misha 1:04:46
Swans are bitches. UK. Gosh, swans
Tyler 1:04:48
are signs of rough. It's Abby Mallard Ugly Duckling. It's run to the litter gross pig that we already talked about. And fish out of water who's a fish with a scuba or not a scuba diver but like an old timey divers cap?
Misha 1:05:03
Yeah,
Tyler 1:05:04
it's so you can be out of water. Yeah,
Misha 1:05:05
I would say it's an old school school helmet.
Tyler 1:05:08
So it's those three runt, as we've already talked about is kind of is gross and always quoting songs and wanting to sing and dance at inappropriate times. Fish Out of Water is maybe the best character in the movie.
Misha 1:05:21
I love the fish. I think he's the best. She was like efficiency sighted and like claps its little fins. And I thought that was really cute. If it was just fish, boring, it would be very high.
Tyler 1:05:34
Yeah, I would agree. He's also like a little bit of a scamp. He's a little bit of a troublemaker, like a couple scenes where he's like, doing funny things. He makes this cool model of us King Kong and the in the planes which was really cool. Yeah,
Misha 1:05:49
and then when he's in the spaceship and they see him and he's just like, Hi, I'm up here.
Tyler 1:05:53
Like and he's a skeleton Yeah, cuz he's like through
Misha 1:05:57
the X ray bubble or whatever. Yeah,
Tyler 1:06:00
I like Jays adorable. She's
Misha 1:06:02
adorable. Even fish Tyler.
Tyler 1:06:06
Fish is adorable. Abby Mallard is hard. I hate how can I put this hard to look at? Because the animation is so jarring.
Misha 1:06:19
I shouted when they cut to her. She's
Tyler 1:06:22
She's a lot to look at. And I feel bad because they make fun of her for being ugly and I feel bad but
Misha 1:06:29
why would they? Yeah, well, they shouldn't have animated her so
Tyler 1:06:34
why are you so ugly people have made the manufacturer made me like this Shut up meter
Misha 1:06:40
What is this accent you're doing for the meter
Tyler 1:06:47
she I think for the most part she's good. I don't like that. She just becomes like a fawning like girl character like a token girl. As the end
Misha 1:06:57
does. She is the like the catalyst not just catalysts, like it's a catalyst is like a single Slyke spark that causes an event. She's just like, the whole time like chugging along pushing them out.
Tyler 1:07:14
Yeah, I meant she's like the catalyst for the final like Chicken Little talking to his dad. Yeah,
Misha 1:07:20
but the whole time. Right. But like the whole reason they do that is the entire time. She's very supportive. Encouraging. Yes. And that's good. You know that she's trying to get them to have an honest conversation with each other and be more open.
Tyler 1:07:35
I think that the side kicks are with the exception of runt. The stronger part of this movie Ron does bring it down because he's just so hard to watch. He's almost going into like, Rhino territory at points, Rhino from bolts, the hamster? I don't know. But I think like he does take it down. But I think they should still get like a pretty decent score because they're like to the best part of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe like, especially fish out of water. So
Misha 1:08:03
so no, I love fish.
Tyler 1:08:06
What do you think like a five or six? Tyler
Misha 1:08:09
we're on the same page. I was thinking five or six.
Tyler 1:08:11
I was thinking seven, but then runt brings it down a bit. So what do you think six or five? Or six? Yeah, that's why not because this movies, the myth needs us to throw the bone. Because now we're up to villain and there isn't a villain really like the villain is aliens supposed to. But then it's a big misunderstanding. The villain is like society's
Misha 1:08:36
No, I would say it's the robots for but it's like, like, okay, the movie was an hour. 25 minutes. It's the robots for an hour and 20 minutes.
Tyler 1:08:46
But it's not though. The robots don't come until like two thirds of the way through the movie. Oh, right. They're just not even in because the movies like
Misha 1:08:54
The town's it's the dad not believing in Chicken Little.
Tyler 1:08:57
The bad guy at one point. Yeah, but then it's not. It's the alien robots at one point, but it's not for most of the movie. It's foxy Loxy the bully for the very beginning earlier
Misha 1:09:07
and I was like, I don't even remember. Sure she's like a bitch sometimes. But like, that's fine. They scramble her brain at the end and then they love her. Yeah,
Tyler 1:09:18
her and but in the beginning, like there's like that dodgeball scene and she and her goose friend are like the bad guys in that. Oh, yeah.
Misha 1:09:26
I'm like flings Chicken Little on to the window. And then yeah, they like it's
Tyler 1:09:31
loosey goosey. Yeah, okay, which is? I don't know. I feel like that's rude. Don't call it. High School. Goose loose. That's rude.
Misha 1:09:43
Her name is not Luc. Why?
Tyler 1:09:45
No, Lucy. Well, again, this is from Wikimedia casting. So
Misha 1:09:50
see then just the name Lucy.
Tyler 1:09:53
Oh, sorry. No, it's goosey Lucy, probably because of what I just said. We don't want any people thinking. What do you talk Give up. Just so I think there are a lot of antagonists but there's no villain, which we've had before. We've had that with cars. We had that with cars. There's no real like, villain. It's just a bunch of antagonists. I think it's a one. Yeah, like cars. I think that henchmen one. Maybe?
Misha 1:10:19
Yeah, confused.
Tyler 1:10:22
And they mentioned
Misha 1:10:24
the little orange thing. Just kidding.
Tyler 1:10:27
Oh, Kirby isn't even an I was about to say sidekick. But he's not even in it. It is not even in it enough to be a sidekick. So I did.
Misha 1:10:37
Great. You guys changed because I well, I was very, like, didn't have three eyes. And then I was like, Dude, I only have one eye. And then I realized it like, could move its eyes around and do different things. And I was kind of like that. It's very cute.
Tyler 1:10:49
Very cute little character could have been in it more could have been in it sort of like a dart in Stranger
Misha 1:10:59
out the entire baseball thing. The entire baseball thing. And then had more of whatever that was with the aliens. Yeah, we already said.
Tyler 1:11:13
Et like if you're gonna the
Misha 1:11:16
Mac and me where he's rolling down the hill in the wheelchair.
Tyler 1:11:20
Yeah. It's like, if you're gonna rip off movie ideas, which this whole thing is ripping off other movie ideas, basically. And that's mostly that's a bunch of Disney's thing. Yeah, pick. Pick something alien invasion, et plus alien invasion. Whatever. I mean, I could use more Kirby. He was quite cute. It was quite cute. Who don't know what it was how she or alien. Sorry, old old horrible. Cut my takeoff habits die hard. Strong Female Lee. There wasn't one. Yeah, one sock representations. Last portrayal 100%
Misha 1:11:57
of the cast was white that I could see in the credits. And so if I have to dig that far down, and people like I couldn't see any one. Oh,
Tyler 1:12:08
boy. Okay. On factor. One. Yeah, I think one out of 10 for fun factor. This was not fun.
Misha 1:12:16
No, it was really wasn't
Tyler 1:12:20
Sisyphean. This was whatever. whatever adjective you want to use. This was a a slog. And it was only 80 minutes long. or 85 or whatever. The shortest, longest movie. Yeah. Marino
Misha 1:12:34
I actually had to take a break.
Tyler 1:12:37
I did. Here's what I what I did was so bad. I watched 70 minutes of it. No, sorry. I watched 60 minutes of it and then went to sleep and finished the rest of like 15 minutes today. I just couldn't like when I went to the alien invasion. I was like, I can't Yeah, I just can't tolerate
Misha 1:12:54
that's about the time that during the alien invasion I was just like, well, what the fuck? I just like stopped it. I had to go drive to pick up Steve from work like after I watched the movie so I was sober and really regretting my decisions about everything. Again everything in my entire life leading
Tyler 1:13:20
I'll be honest if you had not watched it like that, I don't know if you we would still be in your some movie summary right now like it wouldn't be that would have been a wild ride trying to explain it after watching it under the influence but maybe not actually sometimes it maybe gives you because with Alice in Wonderland that was a moment of clarity. You just
Misha 1:13:41
nailed it. But I did watch it sober once and I know that movie and it's like point
Tyler 1:13:47
Good point.
Misha 1:13:48
It's simple point it's it works it's effective for me doing this podcast
Tyler 1:13:56
all right doesn't sit right. I mean doesn't sit right. This
Misha 1:14:03
does not sit right. Okay. There's like it doesn't sit right in almost all of the categories. But what really doesn't say right is that they took I mean I don't even know how to describe it. We would have to go back and read talk about every single category because yeah, entire thing doesn't sit right. The animation of the animals. I mean, if okay, if a movie causes us to both vomit in our mouths it doesn't sit right yeah.
Tyler 1:14:37
I think okay, so yeah, this movie is peak Disney grasping at straws like and just it's we've had we've been angry at them
Misha 1:14:47
and using them it was Yeah,
Tyler 1:14:51
it's like we've been mad at them for like, like pure cash grab move like like cars, although cars I think started as Pixar by itself like, but anyway, like, we've been mad at some of these movies as just being pure cash grabs We've even added some of them for like, cult, like just culture being culturally insensitive or like psychologically insensitive buting the beasts looking right at you, or whatever like this is like this movie makes me angry like this is just laziness mixed with like overproduced like market research bullshit that like let's put a bunch of like white people in a room and see like what they kind of chuckle at and like white men don't fall us don't fall asleep while watching and it's like but it's also like this is a movie that I feel like like so I typed kids would find boring too. I don't know like I typed in
Misha 1:15:44
Chicken Little critics to see what like you know actual film critics think about this and then the people also asked the first one is what's wrong with Chicken Little
Tyler 1:15:57
Chicken Little Yeah, a lot. There was a Chicken Little too planned but the candidate because well Oh, yes. Yeah.
Misha 1:16:06
Although it made money. It made a lot of money. How does this not sit? Right? How many points does this lose? I mean, I don't
Tyler 1:16:14
know where to put it because it's like egg lamp and
Misha 1:16:17
the turkey in the bubble bath. And the I don't even want to rehash the things that made us I think it needs I mean, the fact that they had Barenaked Ladies as the opening
Tyler 1:16:30
and then they have like I forgot we didn't really talk about this but like they all go to the movie theater and watch the movie version of their their life and it's like well that happens it must happen to get like saying like oh this is gonna be funny people are gonna like it and maybe fine it's funny because it's like critiquing Hollywood but then they like overly sexualized Abby and like oh, it's just weird. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Abby Chicken Little are like doing the hands thing we were talking about like, will they won't they touch hands like the audio of what's happening on screen or they just keep saying like, Oh, ace, Abby. Oh, AES IB and they keep repeating it like way too much like more is going on than just smooch. I think there's some hardcore scenes that movies what I'm trying to say Hey, can you
Misha 1:17:23
think I might regret some things?
Tyler 1:17:27
I regret I regret the last five minutes anyway, so I think okay, so we gave you negative nine four Yeah, negative five sounds good because like it needs something but it's not Yeah, it did hit me hard but it didn't really hit me in the gut like your Christmas Carol did and it's not Yeah, yeah, I I mean I still looking back at Aladdin. I think we should should have given him more negative points but whatever. Yeah, negative fine sounds good. effervescence goose a Euro
Misha 1:18:00
Oh my God.
Tyler 1:18:01
Is it the worst goose egg?
Misha 1:18:04
I get it death do you think this is going to be a Christmas? No. No way can anything I don't know. Okay, so WORSE THAN A Christmas Carol Christmas
Tyler 1:18:14
carol got so low. Like the worst you can do in this is like, like the most points you have the fewest points you can get as 11 Right. But then if you get four minus 10 Right, like so. The lowest you get is a one out of 110 conceivably, and Christmas carol got closer. Got a 12 I think right? Yeah. 12 Yeah, this movie. I think it might be. It might be a little bit higher than Christmas. I was gonna be higher to ready. I'm gonna say sub 20 that I think it's under 20 Yeah. 16 out of undertand.
Misha 1:18:49
Just slightly. It is sub 20 sub 2020 slightly better than A Christmas Carol.
Tyler 1:18:59
Wow. Like this is crazy.
Misha 1:19:02
Points. Oh, cars three.
Tyler 1:19:06
This is crazy that okay, this movie got to 16 gang. What is it gonna take to unseat Christmas carols dominance at the bottom of the
Misha 1:19:16
bottom of the pyramid. Want to know, I want to know it's gonna
Tyler 1:19:20
be it's gonna be something really, really rough. Yeah.
Misha 1:19:24
I mean, I
Tyler 1:19:27
the side kicks. I mean, two out of the three side kicks save the movie from from oblivion. I think 16 out of 110 is still oblivion. But still.
Misha 1:19:38
Honestly, if the side kicks were bad. This would have done worse than A Christmas Carol. Yeah, side kicks, like a wine or a two. If we got to two it would have been better. I can't do math. It would have to really good at math. I'm just not looking at the thing right now. Yeah,
Tyler 1:19:55
I think it would have tied at a two but I'm not Yeah. Um, okay, well, alright, let's move that. That is enough of that.
Misha 1:20:04
I am going to go have a drink after this to try to erase my memory. Forget me now. Uh, forgive me.
Tyler 1:20:17
Take this and love us again, gang. Thanks for listening.
Misha 1:20:20
You know really a sincere thank you. Next
Tyler 1:20:25
episode is Cinderella, a movie that a lot of people love. So take that and love us again because like
Misha 1:20:30
Cinderella from what I remember. We'll see how it does in this lens because as we've learned that even if we like a movie, it doesn't. Yes.
Tyler 1:20:42
Yeah, because actually just find some things to complain. Well, yeah, this. Yeah,
Misha 1:20:46
we're just a couple of crotchety old farts who like to complain? And exactly to good movies coming up Cinderella, and then cocoa and cocoa. I know you're excited because you haven't seen it. And I really enjoy it. Yeah.
Tyler 1:21:00
So. So it should be good. We think that Well, for now, the dark night of the soul is over and we're back to the light. Thanks so much, everybody for listening. And if you want to get in touch with us, you could write us an email at much Abu about [email protected] or hit
Misha 1:21:18
us up on Twitter and Instagram at matcha boo pod. And
Tyler 1:21:22
you know, like, subscribe, review all that jazz, and we'll see you next week. Thanks, everybody.
Misha 1:21:28
All right. Bye bye.