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Tyler 00:00
content warning. Although this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and may contain content some people find offensive.
Misha 00:27
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing a podcast where we discuss and rate animated sometimes Disney films going in alphabetical order following a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I'm Misha.
Tyler 00:43
And I'm Tyler. And this week gang we are talking about another oldie. But less classic, maybe like, a little bit less. Yeah, I would say. Although, yeah, but it was familiar.
00:58
I never heard of it. Yeah,
Tyler 01:00
I've never heard of it. But I remember watching it because of the will. The second half of it, which we'll get into, but me too. I
Misha 01:06
only remember the second half. We're talking
Tyler 01:09
about 1940 sevens Fun and Fancy Free, which is like a featurette of two different films put together with a little bit of a interlude type thingymajig
01:22
right, which is the
Tyler 01:24
really interlude it's more of like the setup for the sexual action.
Misha 01:27
Yeah, it's like an introduction for the second one. Yeah.
Tyler 01:31
Which then bleeds into narration for the second one. So these are animated films narrated by famous people of the time the first one's animated by or or narrated by a famous singer and like a variety show host. And the second one is narrative by a, I guess famous for the time ventriloquist and like radio host TV guy radio guy. Fuck me. Yeah. Yeah. So this so welcome to the program everybody. Welcome to the radio show program variety hours starring Misha and Tyler. Up next originality after that. Fuck, story, and then animation doing a stupid fucking stupid voice throughout. So we've got originality, story, animation, music and sound protagonist sidekick villain henchmen strong female lead and bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor those are the categories that we analyze these films from the lenses with which we dunk from the categories we rate them on the categories we we slam them with the pot, the slight pug Slammers that we slam and then also we get minus points if it doesn't sit right and or bonus points for effervescence if there's some Disney magic to it, giving a total score out of 110
Misha 03:00
Yeah, yeah,
Tyler 03:01
I'm ready to get out and get get. I always have a good time. I'm ready to get this one overweight. Okay,
Misha 03:09
I'm actually looking forward to talking about Yeah.
03:14
Always a treat.
Misha 03:17
Yeah. Okay. So what's this movie about?
Tyler 03:21
I just don't want to I just watch this movie and I don't want to relive it. This is like this is almost a Christmas carol territory. Okay,
Misha 03:29
- Okay. Part of it. Part of it is okay. And if you hear some crying in the background, it's my kitten, Jordi. She sometimes gets very lonely and now she's decided that she's very lonely and she's crying right outside the door. So if you hear some cute little meows that's her.
Tyler 03:52
Anyway, here's some sort of needy cat or walls that's my 12 year old cat that thinks he's still a child messy. He's basically the the sort of Tom Hanks and big version of a cat basically. Except he doesn't.
Misha 04:10
I don't know that doesn't make any sense.
Tyler 04:15
Make something that's a woman.
04:19
I was like, What's up ladies gonna fuck you.
Tyler 04:27
Wow, the 80s were insane.
04:30
80s word said that we survived. Pretty incredible.
Tyler 04:35
Speaking of insane decades, this is the 1940s it was the same time. It was cold war and like, sorry, post World War Two world war ending of the Cold War. Fun and Fancy Free. Yeah. So what was this movie all about?
Misha 04:52
So the two the two. There are two parts to this movie. The first one is about Bongo. The dare I was not okay. So by Golden Bear, it's about a circus bear. And I was like, oh my god, I swear to God, if they glorify circuses, again, this is just ridiculous, but they did it. It's about a bear who's miserable as an as an imprisoned circus bear. And he just dreams of the wild Call of the Wild, right? So they're traveling the train that he's imprisoned in. They really like laid on thick with the prisoner imagery. Yeah. Oh, so sad. So the train, the circus train that he's on is traveling through the wilderness. And he is dreaming about being wild. And they forget to lock his cage to his train car. And he escapes. But guess what? Animals that are kept in captivity do not know how to survive in the wild. That's having. Yeah, it's a sad fact. And so when you have animals in captivity, a lot of the time people will like, let them go release them, whatever. But it's not always possible. They don't know how to survive. They don't know how to hunt. They don't know how to sleep. They don't know how to blink properly, because out weird in this one, wild bears don't even know how to blink properly. So he escaped and he's hungry and cold and tired and just uncomfortable. And all of a sudden he sees this girl there. Who Allah Steve show. Oh, that's a sexy bear. What she said oh, like, like, oh, come here. They're on the on the tree branch. And they fall in love. And there's this whole romantic very long love scene. That's very long. But very long. And then she, Lulu Lemon or whatever her name is.
Tyler 07:06
Elaine Lou Lou Lu at Lu. Fuck me.
Misha 07:11
Fuck me. Lulu.
Tyler 07:12
Belle.
Misha 07:15
Lulu Belle. slaps Bongo. Yeah. Well, protagonist bear that happens before that. No, she she did slap him once, didn't she? Yeah, but
Tyler 07:27
before that lump jaw shows up. Is that his name? His name his lump jaw? Yeah, they say it
Misha 07:36
- Is this big? Scary. Huge bear. Toxic seems. I mean, he he's a bear. Tyler. He's,
Tyler 07:47
I don't know. He's destroying the forest to to Okay, not
Misha 07:52
well.
Tyler 07:53
He's not Yes. Toxic territorial. Macho. Yes.
Misha 07:56
So he's big scary. He did meet head of a bear. And he's interested in Lulu jello. And, um, but she's in love with Bongo and bongos in love with Lulu Belle. And she slaps
Tyler 08:17
then there's this girl. She
Misha 08:20
slaps Bongo and he's like, What the heck? And then she slaps him again. He's like, What are you doing? Like, what is this? And then she goes to slap him for a third time. And he like falls over because he's like, I don't want to be hit. Like I'm not interested in this abusive relationship. I'm confused by it. And he's getting really sad. Like, why are you beating me up? And then she goes to slap him and spins and spins and accidentally slaps big. Your jaw and up jazz like lump starts getting lump lump. Blumpkin low job. So my job starts getting hearts in his eyes. And I'm like, Okay, I don't know why this bear is now interested in her. And she's like, she's a sexy hair. But after the slap I mean, he was kind of into her before she's in tears. So then we learned through this weird song. The Fairy word and dance. All these bears are doing line dancing like country line dancing. And they explain in this song that hold I think I wrote it down. When a bear loves a bear they say it with a slap so now all these bears are basically orgy ng because they're all slapping each other silly on a slap the new relationship between blump job and Lulu Belle. It's acting like it's a marriage ceremony of just lots of Slappy orangey nonsense. Second Bongo
Tyler 10:01
never say blump job again.
10:06
What you said and so
Tyler 10:07
jaw, jaw. Got it?
10:12
That's pretty close to what I said
Misha 10:19
country bumpkin.
Tyler 10:25
A Blumpkin is when you give someone a blow job while they're taking a dump
10:36
I hate you so much. That's the worst thing I ever you know, I think I often say that's the worst thing you've ever said. That's the worst thing I've ever said I've ever heard or never seen. I think this no you definitely did. I think that takes the cake.
Tyler 10:52
Hey get out me in the comments people and support me here.
Misha 10:57
Talk about I'm gonna go to Eclipse I bumped up Listen, I don't know what this bears name is don't know you're telling me these weird grows don't jobs awful
Tyler 11:18
breathe lobster red face. I can't breathe. Oh my god.
Misha 11:29
Okay, whew. Okay. So awful.
Tyler 11:34
So here's my question about like, lump Cha. Really? lumpy. Notice here's the lump jaw. Actually, I thought they said his name was lock jaw, like like tetanus lockjaw. But then I looked it up and it was lump jaw apparently. Anyway, he comes roaring into attack, and I think he's just like mad, aggressive and territorial. Like he'd be beelines to beat up Bongo because bongos a new
Misha 12:00
bear with the girl that he's interested in. I but
Tyler 12:04
he doesn't get interested until you get slapped. And Lulu.
Misha 12:07
I think he was still interested in like a biological, like, territorial way. But then when she slaps him, I think then he goes from just like, controlling and possessive to Okay, you've expressed that you're in love with me. So now I also love
Tyler 12:24
you. Now me and the whole community are gonna surround you and never let you go. Yeah,
Misha 12:29
yeah, so then bongos all heartbroken. And then Lulu goes and tries to sneak away because she's still in love with Bongo.
Tyler 12:40
Yeah, for some reason.
Misha 12:41
Oh noes. And then she finds him and then I have no idea what this fuckers day but
Tyler 12:53
I'm gonna type it in the chat. lump. Like I mean, it sounds it sounds like
Misha 12:57
lump jaw, a medical condition like somebody who has like smoker's cancer, you know, in their job,
Tyler 13:06
which wasn't jobs. unfair for him, but
Misha 13:09
lump jaw. Okay, so lump jaw goes to beat up Bongo, and Bongo uses his circus tricks to fight back and does pretty well. With his little unicycle and his circus. Act on lump jaw. Yeah. And they're fighting, fighting, fighting. They go down a river, over a waterfall, goes lump jaw, he's off to wherever
Tyler 13:44
down the river, no one to catch them with the perfect cast. So
Misha 13:47
and then Goof Troop, whatever. Shout out to our Goof Troop Shut up. And Bongo is saved with his little circus hat. Yep, that catches a branch. And he clapped and he comes back up and all the bears cheer and hoot and holler. Happily Ever After Bongo and Lulu slapping each other and abusing each other till the end of their days. And all the bears in the wild go extinct because that's not how baby bears are born. Yep. Yeah. So yeah, it's it's weird. So that's the first one.
Tyler 14:35
That's the first one which is like now it seemed longer than the second one to me. But was maybe I maybe that was not correct.
Misha 14:45
Yeah, and so that first one was introduced by Jiminy
Tyler 14:48
Cricket. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we forgot about like the sort of like the little intro and the inception. Yeah.
Misha 14:56
And the second story is in introduced just this is the just awful. So the second story is introduced in live action, which I we neither of us knew that there was live action in this movie. Well, leading into this
Tyler 15:17
full disclosure, we knew there was a little bit because after Fantasia we talked about don't remember if it might have been on the cutting room floor but the we talked about like, why did we let Fantasia slip through? Oh, and fifth we find a fancy fried came up that that there was a little bit of live action. Yeah. I
Misha 15:35
don't remember that conversation. Unless you've had it by yourself. Maybe
Tyler 15:40
I had about myself. Or maybe it was a dream.
Misha 15:43
Yeah, maybe
Tyler 15:45
I had a very realist realistic dream that Julian diarrhoea at all over a bed night to clean it up. It was not real luckily. Oh, my
Misha 15:51
God. Julian has a cat. An old cat. Oh, big bear. Oh,
Tyler 16:04
wait, can I add something? So Jimin? Really, no,
16:09
wait, is it about?
Tyler 16:11
Like, enter enters what seems like a child's room and starts talking to a stuffed bear and a doll and then puts on a record which tells the story of the first one. And then he sees a party invitation to the next door neighbor's house. And then we go over there. So the next door neighbor who yes is fine. Invited. So
Misha 16:35
one way we explain this. So Jiminy Cricket sees this invitation. And there's a bunch of names on it and you're like, Okay, there's gonna be a party across the street, so they go cross street and it's live action. You're like, okay, and then it's a grown man. Yep. Who's a ventriloquist?
Tyler 16:56
Edgar Bergen,
Misha 16:58
who invited a little girl Luana
Tyler 17:02
Patton, who child actress Yeah, child.
Misha 17:06
And then on the invitation had a bunch of names and it turns out, there were three, two vintage wet. I don't know. They're two ventriloquist dummies and one. I don't even know a hand old man. No, the old man is the person who's hosting the party. Oh, philia the hand. Oh, the.
Tyler 17:32
The hand. Oh, I forgot about the hand. Yeah,
17:35
yeah, I did not. So that's what I was gonna dress up today as Tyler if we
Tyler 17:40
were you really?
Misha 17:43
movie yesterday? I do. Because I had to go to the doctor's for my knees
Tyler 17:48
this morning. Fine. You spoiled it. I was gonna be I was gonna be Edgar Igor, because he's a he. I could have done that with makeup instead of having to buy shit. Like I could have like bought some eyeshadow or something. Like
Misha 18:01
I we decided we were gonna do actually that wasn't the costume I was going to do but then when we watched this last night, I was like, oh my god, I should just show up
Tyler 18:11
as the the handler testing I've never seen a a pig and a hand puppet look that disgusting. Yeah, it was like elongated and gross. But the other names on the that Ophelia. His name wasn't immerse nerd. And Charlie McCarthy Yeah, who I guess are his famous ventriloquist dummies. But was Ophelia his name on the on the invitation? Yeah, this so? Okay, well,
Misha 18:38
this little girl, right? Yeah. And she received an invitation to go to this party. And her parents see that there's other names on the list. So they think okay, like, yeah, you can go to this house, where there's this party, and it won't just be you and an old man. But the other names on the list. Were dummies, not real people. So it was just this guy this adult man. Yep. Inviting girl.
Tyler 19:11
Yeah, it's a guy his hand and the two things he sticks his hand in inviting a girl
Misha 19:18
child over. Where then they ask if she wants to. He keeps offering her like sweets and desserts and candy. Like he's gonna like, I don't know. And then a cigar and I'm just like, Okay, I don't know what this scenario is. Yeah, and the God
Tyler 19:39
man Yes. Give me one of the strikes. And
Misha 19:42
I thought okay, maybe it's like her uncle and then she was like, thank you Mr. Bergen. And I'm like, okay, these two aren't even related.
Tyler 19:50
Next door neighbor. It says like, like, across the street or something like that. Yeah.
Misha 19:54
So creepy. So then he's like, Okay, let me tell you a story. She's like, I'm my you to go home and he's like, No, I'm gonna keep you here with a story.
Tyler 20:03
Even though even the dummies are like we don't want to hear a story he's like shut up
20:07
yeah
Misha 20:14
and then tells the story of Mickey and the Beanstalk, which is what I remember and I don't think I've watched all of Fun and Fancy Free I think it must have been played somewhere as its own separate thing, right? Like just very possible. Yeah, maybe I saw it. That's what I think because I didn't know anything else. I've never heard of Bongo I've never seen this pervan is dummies in his hand. You know their shoe polish all over his dick. Oh,
Tyler 20:43
yeah, he's like I could I could just use my other hand. No, I'll use Ophelia because I can't get this polish off my hand. And what do you say Ophelia?
Misha 20:54
Pretty hot. Really? Slick job.
21:00
Oh my god. You know, that was a blanc job.
Misha 21:04
Blumpkin
Tyler 21:08
So Chris,
Misha 21:09
I have no idea what it's called. And
Tyler 21:12
I did not make up Oh, boy.
Misha 21:20
Called a Blumpkin. Oh, I don't know.
Tyler 21:26
Okay, it's not as bad as like a. I mean, it's pretty bad, but it's not as bad as like a like a Cleveland steamer or something like that. I
Misha 21:35
don't know. I think I'd rather than give a Blumpkin my mouth anywhere near somebody's waiting while they're poupee
Tyler 21:49
Yeah, we yeah, we can't have this conversation. It's too gross.
Misha 21:55
Telling me these things. Okay. Oh, this is too much. This is too much. Now. We have to like
Tyler 22:04
oh my god. Okay, we got it. We got to clean our backed up. If we ever want to make a big we got to clean this act up and go. Like to PG 13 saying Darn. And heck yeah, right.
Misha 22:15
Okay. That's the problem, the swear words, not whatever this is that you're doing. Okay, so now let's get into the story of Mickey and the Beanstalk. So I stopped feeling nauseous. Yeah. So classic story Jack in the beanstalk. But it's Mickey, Donald and Goofy are roommates in this little shack. Oh, wait. There's this harp. There's this golden harp that swings over this valley. And she brings prosperity and peace and happiness and spreads her magic and everything's good. Then this giant comes along and scoops her up for his own selfish needs. Greedy big, big lump jaw. Stop it and then the whole valley or whatever it is the whole area, the Kingdom yada yada. goes into a depression. None of the crops can grow. Everyone's depressed and hungry. It's dark, dismal. Awful. Yeah. So then we see Mickey, Donald and Goofy. And they have to share the saddest little loaf of bread and one bean and half. They have to cut the bread slices so thin that they're clear to make their food last because they really have to ration and they start to go Donald really starts to go crazy. Yeah, and so they decide to sell the cow. Mickey is in charge of it comes back. magic beans. magic beans grow into a beanstalk. They go up the beanstalk. They find the Giants castle. Yep. They find the harp Willie says named Willie the giant. Yeah, I think so. Willie. Yep.
24:21
They get caught.
Misha 24:22
They tried to steal the harp. They get caught. They steal the harp. They make it they cut down the beanstalk. The giant falls not to his doom because he makes an appearance later.
24:35
Yeah,
Misha 24:36
they returned the harp. Oh as well. The end. It's like you know, pretty Yeah. Pretty classic
Tyler 24:43
back in the horror of this young girl has to go home. It's past her bedtime. And the only one to save her. Is Willie, the bad guy. He takes the roof off and says hi. And the old
Misha 24:57
The old guy out and then she summary to escape. Yeah, hopefully
Tyler 25:04
I help. Poor boy, this movie. They packed a lot of garbage into like 90 minutes or 80 minutes or whatever was.
Misha 25:15
Let's get into it or read it because even that I think it was 73 minutes. Yeah, something
Tyler 25:19
like that. Yeah. Originality. So the first one is kind of based on Goldilocks and the Three little bears with this twist with a twist. Well, there's like three. I don't know if they meant it like that, but there's like three bears. One is a Bongo one is a girl and one is a big guy. Okay. It's a big stretch. Yeah, it's a big string. Yeah.
Misha 25:45
It's just about a circus. Bear. Who? The second one? Yeah.
Tyler 25:51
The second one is definitely based on a story. I'll be back. Yeah, I don't know the origin of that. Um, but yeah, like, and I don't know. What do you think about originality? This is a pretty low.
Misha 26:08
Yeah, I mean, Bongo is kind of original. Dumbo had already come out if we're talking about circus things. Yeah. I mean, the that story is pretty original bear slapping each other.
Tyler 26:24
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it's gotta be kind of low just because it's like,
Misha 26:29
it's not. And then there's stuff. Just be like, oh, one for the second half.
Tyler 26:35
Yeah, so maybe somewhere like low middle because it's like, the first one is like, Okay, fine. That's kind of original. Second one's completely not original. Yeah, maybe like a four, I guess. Which
Misha 26:47
feels high. Because then you have like, if we take into account the Jiminy Cricket opening, and then the guy with who's like a pedophile with his gummies? Yeah. Yeah, things I can do with my mouth.
Tyler 27:03
is very clear.
Tyler 27:13
He's not original. He and his dummies had been around a while. But I don't know if that's what I mean. So maybe
Misha 27:18
we go down two or three. Yeah, it's kind of one of these.
Tyler 27:23
I don't know, I want to give a little bit of benefit of the doubt to like, they came up with something because it's like, it's kind of like post war. Let's save some money by putting like a patch together of and let's also a little bit so we can go on to money. Because all the big movies that they made earlier, were kind of like commercial flops a little bit. Or they didn't make as much money. It was it was expected like Fantasia I think was technically a success, but wasn't quite the success that Disney maybe wanted. So this one is like, seemed a little bit like a, like a quick moneymaker kind of thing. But I don't know if that necessarily needs to hurt the originality score. Right? I feel like is right for us. So I'm fine with the four. Yeah, I feel like the things that are wrong with this are not the originality side of it, if that makes sense. Right. And of course, like Mickey isn't an original character, but they but
Misha 28:18
that wouldn't that's fine. gets a one anyway. Yeah.
Tyler 28:23
Yeah, four sounds good to me. Let's talk story. So boy, well, right off the bat, maybe it needs to lose some points because it's not a coherent story, which we've talked about before like Fantasia. And taste has suffered because of that as well. So, and we like Fantasia, so we should punish this too. Well, so yeah, Bongo story is fucking bonkers. It's
Misha 28:45
weird and upsetting. And just bizarre.
Tyler 28:51
Like it's upsetting. Yeah, like the the prison of the circus actually liked that. They
Misha 28:59
Yes. You're telling that perspective, that circuses are bad. And keeping animals in captivity? Wild animals in captivity is bad.
Tyler 29:10
Yeah, that was good. But it's just like that was a that was a pain to get through. And that hurts
Misha 29:16
if it were kind of cute. Yeah, kind of. I thought parts of it were kind of cute. Yeah, I
Tyler 29:24
thought I thought part like when he first is free in nature, he and he's having a good time. That part was nice and cute. Like just kind of exploring the wild. Even when he starts getting annoyed with the outdoors. And frustrated. That was fine to like his meeting Lulu Belle was nice, too. I just there was just a lot of a lot of it. It kept going on
Misha 29:44
and yes, there was a lot of it but I thought yeah, oh, he's sitting in the
Tyler 29:49
cute Waterfall. Waterfall like It's like curtains that was cute. That's more of an anime. Yes.
Misha 29:56
Yeah, but yeah, but like, you know when I'm Are they at the end of that love sequence? When they're like nose to nose? And with Bluebell and Bongo, and then you come back to reality and all those bears are watching?
Tyler 30:15
Yeah. And all those bears are weird. Yeah, there's
Misha 30:19
they're
Tyler 30:23
they're clearly like I don't know brainwashed by I mean they're they're sort of pack tactics or mob mentality like when when lumberjack comes in and starts, like takes over and grabs a lulu bell for himself. They all just surround him and like startup weird hoedown party. So they're like, Yeah, super prolonged
Misha 30:41
and it's just sort of like, yes, she's stuck in this horrible relationship, whether she likes it or not.
Tyler 30:46
And we're also just so horny for slapping that we're just going to keep this going. I mean, the story is like, if it weren't for the narration, the story would be kind of flex extremely flimsy, Dinah's shoulders narration. And her singing in parts of it to like kind of keeps it moving. And it's like kind of a struggle, I think. And the second one also, I think, it's got a story that's more recognizable, but it still suffers like to plods through it. This movie is just not Fun and Fancy Free. Basically, it's just
Misha 31:21
we kept saying, like, why isn't this fun and fancy free? Well, this seems dark and bizarre and not fun.
Tyler 31:30
And Jiminy Cricket keeps, like telling us, you know, just relax and don't worry about the trouble. Whatever.
Misha 31:37
Donald's going insane, or he's lighting everywhere. Yeah. And the
Tyler 31:43
plates, I mean, now one of the best scenes and we've talked about before, one of the best scenes of Alice in Wonderland has like the edible cutlery and tea cups, but this is like, but that's whimsical, and like otherworldly. This is madness. Like stop raving hunger madness. Donald's eyes go all wonky and weird. The weird thing that does the characters when they're drunk, like on drugs or just super angry their eyes goal? Googly and weird and like colored Oh, man, I love Donald though. I'm so glad. This Donald's great when he when he's stalking after the cow with the axe and like muttering to himself. Let's like that's classic Donald.
Misha 32:25
Love them. But
Tyler 32:28
oh, yes. So good. Yeah, those those rings when Bill Blue has to at some point when in Jungle Book when he gets like knocked on the head or something. Oh. Is that? Oh, that's him. When he opens it when he takes the napkin off? Yeah, you have to share that on social media discussing. It is apologies to the to the audience for the future.
Misha 32:57
We'll have to endure. Boy. Yeah,
Tyler 33:04
I don't know. I mean, the story score is very low. Yes, I would say like, two, two.
33:10
Yes. Okay. I was gonna say a two as well. Okay. What
Tyler 33:14
I was watching it. I was like, one one, but I it does have a tiny bit of a story. So I guess
Misha 33:20
it does. Yeah. It's just a shell, right. Animation.
Tyler 33:27
I guess maybe one of the highlights. Like it's not bad. Yes.
Misha 33:31
So in Bongo, the scenery in the wild was gorgeous. Yeah, the mountains grow trees. The Meadows just absolutely beautiful. What watercolor? Yeah, just spectacular and beautiful. And really nice. The animals were gross.
Tyler 33:51
It was pretty gross. It's like yeah, it was okay, bongos Okay, so it's like Goofy and Lulu bells. Okay, so it's like the Goofy like Pete. The Pete sort of look like oh, yeah, those animals side. Were really weird. Not good. The chipmunks and squirrels
Misha 34:11
are okay and cute. Like little bunny rumps. But um. Yeah, the bears were weird. All the extra bears were strange. Yeah,
Tyler 34:23
I did like how all the bears kind of had a lot of them like looked different. And I liked that. They had like, different looking faces and stuff like that. And lump jaw so like, looks different. He looked a little too much like Pete to me. Like, ah, like the Yeah, maybe brawny, the big brawny thing maybe that's why I thought they there's when when he first makes his introduction, just like knocking trees down. They repeat that a couple of times, I think big for Yeah, because it's easy, but it was noticeable. I mean, I
Misha 34:56
do want to talk about at the beginning, the introduction, the head Some of the headlines that were in the newspaper so Jiminy Cricket is talking about, oh, just don't read the news. Be Fun and Fancy Free, ignore everything, shove those emotions down and just slap a smile on your face and pretend like everything's fine. And so he opens the newspaper and he's singing about how like, ignore that all That's crap. So some of the headlines are, oceans will gobble up Earth. Yeah, and human race going crazy savant claims
Tyler 35:28
of hot claims. Yeah. Sounds good. Doesn't sound like catastrophe or something like that. Extinction
Misha 35:34
threatens world millions. Yeah, it's like, this
Tyler 35:39
movie is, is definitely I mean, we're kind of living in a same existential dread of attack now, but it definitely is like a piece from its moment in time where it's like the dread of, you know, the nuclear threat of Russia, the the Red Scare, anti communist paranoia, and then but also this, like, this, like, very American unearned sort of optimism, and like, also just the postwar confidence that leads to the baby boom, and the roaring like, economic boom of the 50s it's like all of that together, like, Hey, you're American, we won we beat the Nazis be gay, you know, be happy and be gay and go out there and dance and get a towel and each other segregate your bathrooms? Yeah, or whatever. Like, and but at the same time, it's like this deep down like in the that it's interesting that they put those headlines in there, because it's the movie being like, Please, let's try to take it back to the movies of the world. Yeah, it's like please, let's like try to like put the world out. Yeah, side for now. But it doesn't do a very good job because the movie is like, deeply.
Misha 36:50
Sad, dark and right. Yeah.
Tyler 36:55
And also, it's like the movie should movies are supposed to transport you you're supposed to have a suspension of disbelief where you're like,
Misha 37:03
we're gonna remind you that things and then tell you to shove it down. It's like, but what Yeah, it's like, now you just reminded me of that.
Tyler 37:13
Yeah, grab you grab you Mr. Good boss, and your peanut butter and your popcorn and your get your gal on our in our arm. And forget about the hydrogen bomb that the Russians just dropped. It's like, come on. Yeah.
Misha 37:29
And smoke lucky strikes. Yeah. Anyway, so animation.
Tyler 37:36
Yeah, the animation is is okay. But it's like, Sorry, that was very close to like going into like, No,
37:41
I was like dread. Starting.
Tyler 37:45
Yeah. Okay,
Misha 37:49
so now let's talk about Mickey and the Beanstalk. The second half. Yeah,
Tyler 37:54
it's fine. It's like it looks good. It's again like this watercolor picture perfect beauty. They do a good job of selling like the mania and craziness of dawn. Yeah, really good when he's like, hunger
Misha 38:06
hungry. Like I mentioned in the Synopsis The bread when they're slicing their bread. And it's clear because it's so thin and the bean as there's like, you can feel how thin all those places are.
Tyler 38:19
It's cartoonish, but it also sells
Misha 38:23
to clear slices of bread with a flat little slice of bean. Yeah.
Tyler 38:29
Speaking of like, diaphanous things, they had one of the goldfish like from Fantasia kind of
Misha 38:35
no cookies, the goldfish from Pinocchio. Hmm, thank you. Yeah, you're welcome.
Tyler 38:43
But but the reason I was calling back to I mean, doesn't look like the vintage ones. But it has that beautiful you know, transparent fin.
Misha 38:51
I think her name's Goldie. I don't remember.
Tyler 38:54
I don't remember. I just remember Geppetto and
Misha 38:57
and I remember I think Goldie the goldfish and Cleo the cat. Does that ring a bell?
Tyler 39:04
No, I remember there being a cat but but I don't remember black and white cat. I haven't seen Pinocchio and so on. I mean, the only names I remember like Jiminy Cricket. And Geppetto and Pinocchio obviously and then the weird donkey boy but I forget their names like those kids. Yeah, I
Misha 39:22
don't know that creep
Tyler 39:26
Yeah, so what else oh the the in the second half like the this the whole like sort of upper cloud part like where the size changes really nice and fantastical. Yeah, eating all the big food and and
Misha 39:44
the jello that Goofy? That was really nice.
Tyler 39:47
I think like that. Those moments are nice because it's like, again, like we've talked about I repeat myself a lot but like with Alice in Wonderland and Bambi and stuff. It's it's like giving the animators time to just like do interesting stuff. yeah and because of that the story extremely suffers but it's like that is that part is Fun and Fancy Free like just watching Goofy yes try to catch his hat while bouncing on a bunch of jello and stuff like that. Yeah. Also
Misha 40:12
as the beanstalk is growing and moves through the sky, the night sky was beautiful the clouds the stars, like I really liked that whole part.
Tyler 40:22
They did a really interesting thing when the beanstalk was growing through the house to have it like sort of exploring its area as it's growing, which is cool like this little, almost like quasi sentience of the of the of the vines, which is interesting. Yeah, and Willie, the giant looks big, dumb and Goofy. Part of apologies to Goofy Goofy goof, but Goofy looking. He's got that dumb, dumb old Disney animated face like Bacchus and Fantasia
Misha 40:55
like that big nose. That's like the big ball. Yeah, the
Tyler 41:00
red ball. Yeah,
Misha 41:01
round. Yeah,
Tyler 41:03
red cheeks. Got a stupid ass tonsure. haircut. Yeah, I mean, it's all fun. The movement is really exciting and find they do a good job of selling that yet. Like, yeah, I mean, the animals in the first half look really wonky. But other than that, I think the movement looks okay. For most Yes.
Misha 41:21
Yeah, yeah. So was it it was okay. I like the animation
Tyler 41:25
is just like compared to Fantasia and Bambi. And Alice in Wonderland, which is in a couple of years after after this. It's like, it just doesn't. It doesn't hold a candle to those old classics, but it's still like, right, and Cinderella was coming soon after this. So it I mean, it's it's solid. It's just like, I would say it's like, okay, it's like maybe I'm the Yeah,
Misha 41:47
me too. On the good side aside. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, like a six. Yeah, that
Tyler 41:52
sounds good to me. Sure.
Misha 41:54
Okay, because I think it could have been stronger if they did a better job with the animals in the first part at but that kinda was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed. Okay, um,
Tyler 42:04
okay, music and sound now I'm gonna kind of take your lead on this one because I had to watch his movie through weird means and I'm the sound was definitely wonky. So I, some of the sound effects and music was like tinny. And I don't know if it was like, just because it's an old movie would sounded just everything was like, like they turned the high if you'd like, you know, the equalizers like high, medium and low, all the high was too high. So all the little crashes of like, Squeaks and squawks and thunder and birds chirping was all like jarringly annoyingly, like high and the music was not a Yeah, so I think it was just like the sound the quality of what I watched.
Misha 42:49
Because I didn't have any issues like that with what I watched like
Tyler 42:52
when when Bongo is first trying to go to sleep in nature, and he starts getting woken up by all the stuff that
Misha 42:58
was really loud. And I think it was supposed to be on purpose. But it was it also irritated because because it was very irritating, but that's okay, that is supposed to be irritating to hear. So
Tyler 43:11
that's why I don't know what was supposed to be irritating as part of the story and what was like just bad sounding right. Like the second singer Dinah Shore I think is amazing. Her voice is lovely that like yeah, yes that Andrew sister Dinah Shore like 1940s voice is just wonderful to me. It's so great. Yeah. But then the second singer, I didn't think she carried it as well. I agree. Anita Gordon.
Misha 43:45
Yeah, the who played the singer. I was surprised. Yes. I was surprised because she was a little cheeky. The harp is supposed to be the most beautiful sound in all of existence. Yeah. And the last I forget what it is, but the last word of the first line that she sings it kind of fell flat. And I was like, that's all Yeah, and I'm not even I don't have like as good of an ear as you do. And I was like, if I can tell that that's not correct. That's not correct. I
Tyler 44:12
don't have a good theory there. Like I couldn't tell you when somebody's singing I wouldn't be able to tell you like oh, that's an F sharp or whatever. But sometimes it's just I guess from the playing in band and for so many years. Sometimes you can hear and you're like, oh, that's definitely definitely flat or definitely. And it did sound a bit off. Yeah, yeah. That's all nitpicking like, pancake song the pancake song was good. Yeah, pancakes
44:37
pancakes. Pancakes till I die. Yeah, that's a good side.
Tyler 44:41
What is up is a dad. Dad. That that's like an old class. Oh, yes. Where it comes from.
Misha 44:50
But for Nicky Lee for Nicola for niculae For Nicola. Yeah. Tara Tara Tara? Hey cakes, pancakes pancakes till I die. Yeah, it's
Tyler 45:00
a Yeah. So good. It's a Neapolitan song commemorating the funicular on Mount Vesuvius. Interesting. Oh, interesting. Yeah. From 1880 just have to look that up really quick.
Misha 45:18
Yeah, so, I mean,
Tyler 45:22
I don't know. And the sound What did you think about the narration? Like, what did you think about that choice? I'm on the fence.
Misha 45:29
I thought it worked for Bongo, because I'm glad that none of the bears spoke.
Tyler 45:36
Because because they had weird sounds that would
45:39
have right
Misha 45:40
I thought that would have been terrible. Yeah. So I actually liked Dinah Shore doing the singing the talking sort of like weaving in and out between the two. So that one
Tyler 45:53
yeah, it was nice. And I like it was it was narration when you needed it to push things forward? Yes, but not over the top. Whereas the second one, I thought was a bit
Misha 46:02
terrible. I was like, the narration is really annoying in the second one, because you didn't actually need narration to follow the story. You can just watch and sort of get what's happening without Yeah, any narration and they were kind of like, and then one of the dummies kept chiming in. I'm like, shut the fuck up. Like you're gross. I don't want to remember that. You exist. Yeah,
Tyler 46:24
there's a tall drink of water. Yeah, he was like, he was like saying, like, Oh, I'd like to pluck her harp and stuff like that. It's like, yeah,
Misha 46:30
just close the thing. Yeah, I think I did like the Giants Intro So
Tyler 46:36
yeah, the he's like trying to remember free FIFO five minutes like yeah, and
Misha 46:40
he was like, fearful of fob and like, couldn't remember. And it was just like, he was like, bouncing that ball. And like, the sound of that was really cute. They did mess it up with
Tyler 46:55
with the narration. So I think it's like because the second the second half has characters who are speaking so it doesn't need narration, whereas the first one nobody speaks except every, like dinosaur speaks for Bongo and speaks for Lulu Besa. It just didn't need the narrative of the second one. They were trying to shoehorn Edgar Bergen in I suppose. And his stupid idea.
Misha 47:15
Yeah, it's really bad. I did like the the score of the second one though. So when the moonlight first appears through the hole in the roof and shines on the hole, where there's a gong, and it just like sets it for like magic is about to start. And then the song that they play of the beanstalk as it grows, and like moves its way through the house was so good. I really, really liked it. And I thought the whole score for that was strong is just the narration that screwed it up. And the harp singing wasn't very good. But generally I like the second half, like most of it better except the weird perv and Demi party,
Tyler 48:03
I think, again, except for the parts that I mentioned where I wasn't sure what was there and what was like just a mess up of the quality of my version. I think for the most part like sound effects and things were pretty good as well. For like, for both halves. There were a lot of like weird grout like the bear noises were just really bad. I thought like, yes,
Misha 48:22
the animal You're right. The animal sounds were weird. And the bear sounds were weird. It's like they didn't know what they don't really animal sound like. Or ya lumps. Stop. I can't tell the two words apart. So.
Tyler 48:51
So what do we favorite was I just said lump jaw. Long
Misha 48:55
I know but I'm having a hard time differentiating between lump jaw and the thing that sounds like country bumpkin. Which I can't even remember. Blum Lumpkin. No,
Tyler 49:07
that's a word you made up. Lumpkin. Lumpkin.
Misha 49:12
Doesn't make any sense. That's awful. Stop it. Okay.
Tyler 49:16
Okay. Let's give music and sound
Misha 49:21
I feel like it's on par with the animation Right? Like there's some highs and then there's some stuff that they screw up. Yeah,
Tyler 49:26
I think six is fine. Or maybe five maybe five but six I think is fine. What do you think six or five? No, I
Misha 49:34
think maybe five. Okay, it's not Yeah, it's not as good as the animation.
Tyler 49:38
Yeah, because the narration is like quite jarring. Ly bad. And the second one so yeah, that's fine with me.
Misha 49:43
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Tyler 49:44
Now we get a bunch of categories that I mean, it's either gonna be completely just bad or we've got a discussion like protagonist sidekick villain henchmen. Yeah.
Misha 49:57
Like all right. So we have protagonist there's four total,
Tyler 50:03
but okay, but here's the thing. We, we gave Fantasia a one for this. So I think it needs to be something similar because like, for example, Mickey and Sorcerer's Apprentice, we didn't get any points for Mickey being a protagonist, despite he
Misha 50:18
I know, but this is different. There's like two stories. Yeah.
Tyler 50:21
I don't know. But the other one was like, I mean, with the exception of like the abstract ones.
Misha 50:30
But there were so many. Yeah,
Tyler 50:32
it's really just okay. In Fantasia, it's just like, Chernabog is a protagonist in his and Mickey is in Sorcerer's Apprentice, and then the rest of them, there isn't really a part, right? That's the thing. They're like. Okay, so this is a little bit
Misha 50:46
different because it is to featurettes. Right? There's two stories. They're both stories with plots with characters.
Tyler 50:54
Okay, so we have Bongo is the protagonist. And then we have Mickey, and
Misha 50:58
then Mickey, Donald and Goofy. As you say, the other two are side kicks. Yeah, I
Tyler 51:02
think they're side kicks. I think. It's like Mickey and the Beanstalk. It's definitely making
Misha 51:08
the crafty. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I see that. All right. So for a protagonist, we've got Bongo and Mickey. Yeah. I don't like Bongo. I
Tyler 51:17
don't like Bongo either. I mean, I feel bad for him because he's been like, conditioned,
Misha 51:22
a right. victim of abuse. But an imprisonment. Yeah,
Tyler 51:27
I mean, it's all like, for example, it's like imprinting, you know? Mm. It's like he's just imprinted on humans. And it's abuse doesn't quite because animals are abused. So he's, like, not even imprinting. Yeah, it's just but I mean, like, he can't, he doesn't really maybe see himself at inst until he gets mad and warnie. He doesn't really see himself as a bear. Probably he sees himself as the wunderbare. Like special.
Misha 51:50
They say this at some point like that, you know? He doesn't even maybe I said it. I don't know. He doesn't know how to be a bear. Yeah, like, right. He's like, trying to do stuff, and he's
Tyler 52:00
trying to do stuff doesn't have to do it. He also doesn't know I have a question about in order to show his affection God, so
Misha 52:09
I hate that. I hate it. I hate it.
Tyler 52:11
Anyway. What was your question? I
Misha 52:12
have a question. This is I'm not sure if this is story or music and sound. Can the bears hear the song? The words of the song when they're doing they're like clapping hoedown, like slapping each other. There's music but it's there's words to the song. What are they hearing? What are they listening to? What are they dancing along to?
Tyler 52:44
It just happens to line up with the the grunting slapping that they were doing?
Misha 52:49
Do you think they're just like, ah, and then Dinah Shore is like and those dudes who are generally like, Okay, I'm gonna sing along to this. Yeah, I
Tyler 52:59
think that's it's like the David Attenborough. Yeah, exactly. They have the they have who would fucking hate this, by the way? Because he like if he hates anything, it's panda bears. And they're just like, lack of ability to do anything. So he would fucking not tango with these. These weird funky bears. Anyway. Okay.
Misha 53:23
Pandas are just people in suits, and Panda suits, but I've like never seen a panda that doesn't look like a person wearing a suit. Wow. Yeah. Do they exist? Do pandas exist? As their own actual species, and not just people in suits, prove it?
Tyler 53:42
I can't I don't have that. I don't have the proof for you. That's
Misha 53:45
why they can't do anything. That's why they just sit there and like Munch, but they're not even eat because it's just like, Oh, I'm putting the sticks into my panda suit to the whole
Tyler 53:55
to try to trick the world. This that's like, that's like yeah, landing level conspiracy.
Misha 54:02
Well, so yeah, I think mine's we'll
Tyler 54:05
go back to your very serious question about the sound of this fucking movie. It's the only way it makes sense as if they were honking in a Rutan into it. And, and, and then the music of we're like, okay, let's find something that goes along with that. Because otherwise it makes no sense. But it's weird though. Because in the second one when the narration is, is like talking about how sad sack like the life of Donald is and the others, Donald turns to the camera and says Shut up, and like, yeah,
54:37
that's like pretty classic in cartoons. Like break.
Misha 54:42
like I do, too. That was in that one. It kind of makes sense because it's like sort of that like we're kind of used to that with so
Tyler 54:50
we have to think that like the narration of the first one, and in relation to this, they can hear it I was gonna say in relation to As the second one, they click in here and then the second one, which why didn't they turn into a shut up? Who's that ventriloquist saying really horrible, stupid jokes. Shut your mouth. We're trying to sneak into a castle. Shut your gob. Anyway, I was gonna say I think the narration in relation to the first one is, is separate from the narration and the second one in relation to the second one, but that's just overthinking it, for sure. Okay, anyway, anyway, protagonist score. Bongo is a bit I mean, he's a victim. We feel sorry for him. But he's very boring and dull. Like, for example, Bambi we feel sorry for Bambi. But Bambi is pretty good. And he's cute. But he's like, a passive actor with a bunch of things happening around him. So yeah, Mickey does stuff. I think Bongo definitely worse than Bambi. Mickey is at least does stuff and he's crafty. And he's smart. And he's, uh, he's adorable in his own way. This is Walt Disney's last movie DOING HIS VOICE fun fact. Oh, because then he got too busy and other people did the voice. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I think less than five. It's,
Misha 56:08
oh, yeah. I like I would give Mickey maybe a six and I would give Bongo with
Tyler 56:14
three. That brings it down to a four or a five depending on which way we want to swing there. My feeling is for my feeling is for for it feels that feels a bit right.
Misha 56:27
Because also i Yeah, me too. Okay,
Tyler 56:29
I didn't go too far the minutes but I feel like the bongo one went on longer, like maybe two thirds of vongo
Misha 56:35
way too long. Yeah, I think so. To the beanstalk. One was
Tyler 56:39
going more to Bongo score is better. Yeah. Right. And then, alright, side kicks work Goofy and, and my boy Donald and Lulu Belle.
Misha 56:51
No, she's not assigned. She's just the love interest. She's
Tyler 56:57
just the love interest.
Misha 56:58
I don't think there's a sidekick in the first one. There isn't which is gonna bring the score down. Donald and Goofy.
57:05
You're doing it. I was like, if we're only writing got Donald and Goofy and fun in high school.
Tyler 57:11
It won't be perfect. Like the perfect. They're Alaska.
57:14
They're awesome side kicks. You're hilarious.
Tyler 57:17
They're really funny. Yes, that's how like, all right. So it's
Misha 57:22
like a one. And then what? Like, an eight. So when we
Tyler 57:28
share psychic power, I would say Donald and Goofy are a 10 out of 10.
Misha 57:33
But you wouldn't say a 10 out of 10. I was worried that for some reason you wouldn't. Okay, imagine if it was just? Yeah, so if it was just Donald, Goofy, you'd give him a 10 out of 10.
Tyler 57:45
Normally, yes, like, but in this story, it's like this story is just not that good. So it's like,
Misha 57:51
they are not given that much. Okay, so down to an eight not
Tyler 57:56
given much to do, but it's like seven
Misha 57:59
to six. For
Tyler 58:02
a lot of numbers. A lot of numbers. Okay, so we have a one for two thirds of the movie. And then we have like the two perfect side kicks. Who aren't. The story doesn't get
Misha 58:14
to do it opens. I mean, Donald brings it in. This is
Tyler 58:18
brilliant. That's true. I'm trying to think of another movie where those two are sidekicks and crush it shorts, though. That's just all shorts. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So it's like, it's a five thing because like between a 10 and a one. I
Misha 58:33
think it should be a five. Yeah, okay. Donald fucking Donald. I mean, holy cow. He carries that in the whole first half of the second half the second third of the movie. Yeah, he's
Tyler 58:53
so good. It's like vintage vintage Donald. Yeah. Like for 28% of the movie. It's vintage Donald and then the rest is fucking bullshit. Okay, all right. Well, villain is lump John. And William. When he steals the harp he's a bad guy. He's just an idiot.
Misha 59:17
Like Willie Oh, and at the end, when he sees them running away, and his eyes, his eyes do that flashing. Really good.
59:26
It was scary. It
Misha 59:28
was good. Yeah, he's just stupid and like, just stupid and like, no. Well, he's
Tyler 59:35
also not a good villain. He's just like a Big
Misha 59:38
Willie. What do you like? I told you his intro when he's bouncing the ball. Yeah, like in the singing and can't keep track of his own thing. Oh, are giants magical outside of this? What was that like him being able to turn into whatever
Tyler 59:53
nonsense they did mention that he was like somehow a shapeshifter? Yeah, that he that sounds like the harp he did some magical stuff he turned into a big pink bunny so he could change his Yeah. Even
Misha 1:00:04
before that we saw him like in a magical swirl of nothing of sparkles. He just like before have that ability. No,
Tyler 1:00:16
I mean in d&d Giants some giants have magical spells not all of them but but that's d&d and that's not like, that's not like fairy tale cannon, the giants of the the only other giants I've
Misha 1:00:28
never heard of giants having magical abilities
Tyler 1:00:31
in
Misha 1:00:33
an any like lore or fantasy or mythology like nothing. They're
Tyler 1:00:39
usually just like very big and powerful sometimes like old, wise and powerful. The yo tune in Norse mythology are magical as far as I remember. And they have like magical happens and forge magical, but I could be wrong about that. I don't know enough about that stuff. will look it up. And anybody who knows more about Norse mythology and the yield tune, get in touch. shouted us in the comments or the emails rather. I don't know the willie standard could fill in. He's just a big dope. And he's he's lovable. And he's like, he's maybe not even. He's stealing stuff because he like likes shiny things kind of I get that so well.
Misha 1:01:19
Also because he needed to sleep and he couldn't sleep very well. Yeah, he wanted someone to sing him lullabies. So he, which is kind of cute, but he's like, not that great.
Tyler 1:01:29
He's still he's still an inadvertent horror because, you know, he it's like we like we like iPhones. So we hope the rest of the world suffers because of that kind of thing. Like he likes sleepy time. Music So the fellow so I mean, but he's not like a good conniving, he's not. Right. Edgard gore. He's not an Igor Jafar. Stop. He's not a Hans. Who's Hans Hans was the bad guy in frozen. Okay. Yeah. forgot him. So that's the guy who's like, in love with Ana and then like, got it has Yeah, he'll turn at the end. Yeah. Like very.
Misha 1:02:18
I've never heard of a Hans in my life.
Tyler 1:02:21
I was gonna try to make a cool pond. Like, what about these hubs, but
Misha 1:02:28
Tyler just held up his hands.
Tyler 1:02:32
For the listener, I was trying to come up with something better than that, but I couldn't. So
Misha 1:02:35
that's pretty good. Thank you. Okay, calm down. All right, Berlin is pretty good. Three to three. Okay. 322222 It's two sounds better. Okay, so take the credit. henchman henchmen. The
Tyler 1:02:57
weird bears they're not really. They
Misha 1:03:03
cheer for
Tyler 1:03:04
Bongo. Yeah, they're just there's they're just they're just rooting for the dominant bear. Basically, that's it. They don't
Misha 1:03:12
care. They're not just like I just want to see some slapping and slapping we
Tyler 1:03:16
just want to bump some uglies and dance the whole hotel not
Misha 1:03:19
even slept some slap some bears. I mean, what is wrong with all that? Okay.
1:03:27
Also what kind of message are they sending to kids with Boggo
Tyler 1:03:31
great one day everyone forget the horrible real world funding fancy free slap the person you care about?
Misha 1:03:39
Are you interested in this person? Yeah, slap up.
Tyler 1:03:42
Oh boy.
Misha 1:03:45
Okay, a woman there aren't many
Tyler 1:03:48
strong female leads all right.
Misha 1:03:51
So one Yeah, one
Tyler 1:03:57
bipoc representation slash portrayal
Tyler 1:04:07
Yeah, it's like the for the 40s What a gay time.
Misha 1:04:11
Yeah, the 40s Oh, boy. Fun fact. Right.
Tyler 1:04:15
This is fun. Despite the name
Misha 1:04:19
Yeah, okay. Yeah, my Oh god. No,
Tyler 1:04:23
no part of it was really fun. They're like moments like Donald is like the there was like some.
Misha 1:04:31
Okay, I will tell you a fun part. I will tell you a fun part. The very beginning. We open up with the credit song. That was cute and fun. Okay, so that was a fun part. Just the opening credits. Then and that cute song. Then we get to Jiminy Cricket in the like lotus. Bamboo in the water and you think Joe's like something out in the wild right? Wherever he is, and then they pan out and he's just in a little like garden saucer in somebody's home like a cute little planter. And I love that. I thought that was fun.
Tyler 1:05:11
Yeah, I liked the the anime animation to like the he's singing along the books. Oh
Misha 1:05:19
yeah. Then the books looked really good then oh for fun when he talks to that doll and bear just gross yeah depressing but
Tyler 1:05:29
also a little bit of fun we should I mentioned I should have mentioned this in sound when he turned to the record on and it makes that like record speed up like the it was it was
1:05:38
really great. Yeah,
Misha 1:05:39
yeah I noticed that that was good. Um,
Tyler 1:05:43
bongos it's not fun
Misha 1:05:46
though, Bongo none of it actually okay. It was like a little
Tyler 1:05:53
bar was okay. But oh yeah, he first sees her and he like opens the waterfall curtains you're doing
Misha 1:06:01
Mick Jagger so much wiggle so much are we going okay then no fun circus as depressing as you can be. slapping each other no fun Hershey bears. No fun. No fun. No fun. He's starving. No fun. Okay,
Tyler 1:06:20
lump jaw just like destroying the forest. Whenever he walks around.
Misha 1:06:24
No, no fun. No. Okay, so that whole thing no fun whatsoever. No fun and then a
Tyler 1:06:31
little bit of fun with the little tiny bit of fun with the like, lump jaw Bongo fight on the on the raging river. That was a little bit fun like bongos using his circus tricks to like, I mean, it was not that fun. It's just it's just always funny when big dumb. I
Misha 1:06:50
was kind of Bongo story. In what way? Like, racking up and like, Oh my God. I don't even remember which parts you like, but he was like laughing a lot. And I was like, okay. Oh, yeah. All right. I guess. Like for us? No, I don't. I don't. I was like you really have it a good time. Just kind of surprised. I think he liked how cute it was. He kept saying, Oh, this is so cute. This is so cute.
Tyler 1:07:21
But he was walking in and out. And yeah, there is one part this is in a there yeah, they're like little tiny moments like in a decidedly unfun part, like when the bears are doing their weird country song about slapping when there are two bears like Sir two there are two bears that like are dancing with their noses together and they do this weird like Disney dance that I can't replicate but they're like their backs are going up and down. Like it's like the same thing. So like hot. Yeah, I know. Jungle Book too is like it's so cool.
Misha 1:08:01
Cool. So I will say I think the second half other Okay, I have to be very clear. The ventriloquist part is fucking horrible. It's one of the worst things I've ever had to endure in my life.
Tyler 1:08:16
maddeningly frightening and creepy. Yeah, everything
Misha 1:08:19
about that whole part was awful. But the when we get to Mickey and the Beanstalk not so fun parts of fun Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so much fun. The three of them having a fun time starving that was even fun job of going crazy. Crazy so far, like having fun with all the giant food fun. Yeah. Willie's
Tyler 1:08:44
fun. Like really? Like fun. Always fun. Yeah, yeah,
Misha 1:08:48
I would give that a high score. Funko brings it down but that's the majority of Vita ventriloquism thing awful and give it negative points if I could. Was the in
Tyler 1:08:59
the in the Mickey Christmas carol the TV One was the Ghost of Christmas Present. Willie was it based on Willie? Looks like I think so. Yeah, I think they're I think that's the same person but maybe like a smarter version because I don't remember being an idiot.
Misha 1:09:18
Yeah, I'm gonna look this up. Yeah, yes, it says Willie the giant. Yeah. Is both here. Oh, yeah.
Tyler 1:09:29
He makes you Yeah, that's a nice call. Um, yeah, I mean,
Misha 1:09:36
I think the second half Yeah, story is alive fide. The first one is awful. It's just and
Tyler 1:09:44
the first one has some tiny bits of fun too. It's just like the unfun moments are just very glaring. And yeah, that brings it down to like somewhere around the middle.
Misha 1:09:54
I think I was gonna say to the middle but because the first half is so much longer and then the intro reduction to the second half is just so disgusting and awful and the worst thing it brings it down to like a three or four I'm
Tyler 1:10:07
fine with that I think I think three sounds really really sounds right
Misha 1:10:11
yeah all right doesn't
1:10:15
sit right there are things that do not sit right in this movie
Misha 1:10:20
yeah which we've covered but we can go through quickly will be circus bad certainly get that animals but they that's actually you know let's not include that in the desert so right because they are the ones that explicitly are slapping their song loses points does not does not sit right does not say Right. ventriloquism dummies doesn't sit right minus nine this adult man inviting a little girl to come look at his lip black shoe polish lipstick Ophelia hand and talk to his dummies absolutely not that loses multiple multiple points. Yeah.
Tyler 1:10:58
I think this is yeah, this is really disgusting.
1:11:01
This is like this
Misha 1:11:05
doesn't sit right yeah.
Tyler 1:11:07
I think it I think it's um,
Misha 1:11:09
I think it does blues. The negative dead boy negative.
1:11:13
Those Yeah, I think so. Just negative 10 Just
Tyler 1:11:15
for the viewers. Oh, just really quick break put brakes on before people say wait a second you. You gave this negative 10 When you gave buting the beasts not negative 10 For example, it's these are different. These are scored differently. Like they're like Christmas Carol is upsetting and negative 10 for different reasons, Then Aladdin has problems or whatever. So just keep that in mind. On pause starting again, yeah, negative 10. This was fucking gross.
1:11:46
Okay, I will. Okay,
Misha 1:11:48
this slapping thing. And the ventriloquism
Tyler 1:11:52
that's really in vitro goes thing is what gets me that is just
Misha 1:11:56
okay. The slapping thing is like kind of unsettling and weird, but the ventriloquism thing is so horrifying. What was wrong with people in the 40s that that was acceptable ever? Yeah. It's I mean, and his fucking Ophelia had. Yeah. It's really I will be posting a picture of this of Ophelia. A video to our social media. We're on Twitter and Instagram at much boo pod so you can see just how bizarre that is. I don't even we've all done the little like, Oh, I've got a little mouth. Philia takes it to like level like, Hades level. I don't even know where this idea comes from. of what she looks like. Yeah, or what nightmare did his hand crawl out of?
Tyler 1:12:57
Yeah, it's well, I don't know what to say. It is just it's it's unspeakable. It's really
Misha 1:13:06
and what was wrong with Mortimer snart? His
Tyler 1:13:10
Creator, the one with the hand, turned him into an idiot.
Misha 1:13:17
Disgusting, slow idiot. Right? And they weren't.
Tyler 1:13:22
They didn't treat them with respect. And the other guy Charlie was a perv in a skis. He said something about throwing the girl off the cliff to or something weird like that. Oh, and strangling the cats in the cow off the hook. Yeah,
Misha 1:13:34
that was it. He's a psycho. He was like, No, they were timeout. Okay, so in making the beanstalk. They were talking about killing the cow for food, because they were starving. And then they cut to the dummy saying he would throw the cow. They would strangle the cow and then throw her off a cliff for no reason just to be a weird psychopath. Like killing
Tyler 1:13:59
like they're dying of starvation killing the cow. I guess you know, depending on your your views makes a little bit of sense. But he takes it to let's just murder the cow and then we still starve to death for
1:14:12
no reason. Right and still starve to death. Yeah.
Tyler 1:14:15
Yeah. dummies are weird is like, are you afraid of the dark with a dope ventriloquist dummy? That's really awful. There's a there's a Twilight Zone. Twilight Zone episode. Very creepy. They're just there's something wrong with dolls.
Misha 1:14:29
Yeah. All right.
Tyler 1:14:33
So negative 10. Yeah, can you Yeah, I think it deserves it. So effervescence.
Misha 1:14:38
I think that Mickey and the Beanstalk one deserves a little bit of effort. A little bit. Yeah, I really do. The whole beginning of it is just it really is effervescent. I think it should get a couple points. That's like the
Tyler 1:14:52
classic gang's all together. high jinks and then even Willie the giant is like a recognizable classic character Bongo just ruins No. Bongo doesn't really make sense. I don't quite get I think we're not as short like that. It would be completely useless. Yes, I think yeah,
Misha 1:15:11
I think it you get three points of effervescence for the Mickey and the Beanstalk. Okay,
Tyler 1:15:16
that's fine. Okay.
1:15:17
Okay, I was gonna
Tyler 1:15:19
say two but three is okay with me because it's good it's getting hurt in other areas so I'm fine with the three sure is it's getting slapped
Misha 1:15:30
that that see so much.
Tyler 1:15:33
What is score for fun and fail free?
Misha 1:15:37
Oh, boy. Okay, but it fancy free gets a 27 so beats cars two. All right. Wow. I mean, it just doesn't beat cars
Tyler 1:15:51
three. Doesn't make cars three. It beats Chicken Little via beats Christmas carol still in the lead? Yeah. At the bottom.
Misha 1:15:59
Huh? Well, there. Well,
Tyler 1:16:03
you know what, that was more fun than that. Watching. It was more painful than talking about it. So thank you, Misha, for brightening up by evening. So this was I guess the good thing about this is it. It's bad enough that there's stuff to talk about. Some of the movies are just boring and like just Yeah, really. I
Misha 1:16:21
was actually kind of looking forward to chatting about how I'm gonna throw up. how horrible it is. Yeah, so wait, we didn't even talk about this. Okay, so what's his name? Edgar. What's his name? Bergen. Bergen. He is like what a famous ventriloquist in America. His mouth was moving the whole
1:16:47
the pinnacle of a drill a quiz of interference. America when he's just like, hey, my mouth is moving.
Misha 1:16:55
So really bad.
Tyler 1:16:58
Yeah, he. I wrote that in my notes that I completely forgot to talk about it. He said, Yeah, he was like, he was a vaudevillian, like a vaudeville radio performer you know proficient apparently and oh, he's the father of Candice Bergen HOLY SHIT
Misha 1:17:21
apologies to wow we just Bergen for having that perv as a dad.
Tyler 1:17:27
Apologies oh
Misha 1:17:28
geez hoof wow we oh my gosh. What a show this
Tyler 1:17:35
is okay, so I just I just went down a little bit of a Wikipedia rabbit hole to find get to Francis Bergen who was Candice Bergen's mom friends is Bergen was an actress that's Ophelia his mistress but here's this napkin is
Misha 1:17:57
a hat. Yeah, it
Tyler 1:17:58
was I think it was like, like a cloth napkin in fashion to do a what is known as a windfall.
Misha 1:18:03
So okay, can you
Tyler 1:18:07
but here's the thing I can imagine. Like when boys like those like, like Dutch milkmaid sort of hats that you see and like Rembrandt things, that's a win. That's not what Ophelia is. NAPCO she's just, she's just wearing a cloth. Just don't
Misha 1:18:23
loose napkin.
Tyler 1:18:26
Well, that will do it for us, folks. Next up is Gnomeo and Juliet. That's a fuck. But after that, I'm really excited is Hercules.
Misha 1:18:39
Okay, really excited for that? Good, because wow, we I
1:18:49
don't know what to say.
Tyler 1:18:52
Thanks, everybody, for listening. It's always a treat. Even if the movies aren't. You can get in touch with us at [email protected] If you want to send us your your your disagreements about what you think no or should. I love to get those sorts of messages. Okay,
Misha 1:19:07
you can follow us on Twitter and Instagram at budget boo pod.
Tyler 1:19:11
And until next time for Gnomeo and Juliet. Bye everybody. Bye
Tyler 1:19:30
Hey gang Tyler here with a quick postscript a couple quick announcements one Disney employees are currently organizing and implementing walkouts to protest the company's frankly crappy response to the Florida don't say gay or trans bill. Recently, the Disney CEO Bob Chapin did finally respond and address the concerns and say like, Hey, we'll try to do better but more concrete action needs to be taken clearly to protect the LGBTQIA plus community from dangerous and harmful legislation. Please visit www dot where is cheap pick c h a p e k.com To find out more information on the issue. And the second announcement is my wife just had twins. If you've been listening to podcasts, you might have heard me mentioned that that was coming. So I'm on paternity leave now. And we're probably going to take probably take a couple week break from the podcast. So if you don't see us in a couple of weeks, don't don't fret, we'll be back. I'm just knew that I need to be, you know, a good dad and a good husband and take care of the babies or help take care of the babies. So, see you soon.
Misha 1:20:43
Love you all. Bye