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Tyler 00:00
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Misha 00:30
day guys, you're listening to Much Abu About Nothing. We discuss the animated films in alphabetical order following a rigorous quantitative scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I Misha and my rude co host
Tyler 00:51
is Tyler very rude. How rude. It was like a turret it was like you know how they're different types of view like there's a there's like oh, that's hilarious book you for thinking of that before I thought of it. That sort of. I was gonna start with like,
Misha 01:08
I don't know if
Tyler 01:11
I could think of any like
Misha 01:13
so this intro. This week,
Tyler 01:15
we're talking about two threes. Finding Nemo from Pixar. Not Disney. This was I think in the time when Pixar and Disney were were separated in feuding Oh for Disney bought them really? Yeah, there was we talked about this before like I think I know but I don't remember the dates. Yeah, it was around this time. I can't remember exactly when we were doing cocoa I looked it up and I didn't look it up again. But this is around the time when like Pixar is just miles ahead of Disney. Arguably but you know for most people. This is post Monsters Inc. I think Finding Nemo came in after monster Zinka came out after Toy Story obviously in A Bug's Life and yeah, we're gonna get into it. We have a lot of things to say about it I'm sure and for those who are joining us for the first time welcome welcome welcome those returning welcome even more I would have to say but no newcomers are just as welcome I've changed my mind when we are looking at different categories writing them one to 10
Misha 02:12
they did they split up the following year in 2004. Okay, all right, maybe well, this is still like this is still like
Tyler 02:21
leading up to this then it's Pixar doing its thing with Disney releasing them and like putting more and more pressure on Pixar to like I think do things the way that Disney wants them to do it. Don't remember off the top my head. Oh,
Misha 02:37
yeah, sorry. They know it what their partnership was 9099 9099 to 2006.
Tyler 02:44
Okay. And then they bought them later. Yeah, okay.
Misha 02:50
Yeah, yeah, so
Tyler 02:51
we're gonna take a look at these different this is still this is still Pixar with Disney like as the Overlord This is not Disney directly owning Pixar yet. We give these these movies some different scores one out of 10 in various categories, giving a total score out of 110 the categories are originality, do what story Yes, animation, music and sound protagonist sidekick villain henchmen strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor and then we get minus points for doesn't sit right if something doesn't sit right and bonus points for that effervescence that special Disney magic or Pixar magic or whatever. What have you greater than the sum of its parts? I did start with my eyes open. So one of these days I'll get 100% without having to look at the screen, but I'm just too scared. Editing exists. Thank you. So I'm guessing most people have seen this movie. It was a pretty popular but Mitch what is Finding Nemo all about?
Misha 03:57
Finding Nemo is a story of Marlon who is clownfish? And just like every movie out there, it's about a dead mom and a dad who has to be on his own raising his kid or kids but this one kid, and so like Three Men and a Baby. Okay, not quite like through Reddit and baby which I watched recently and it's awesome.
Tyler 04:28
I haven't seen in a while but it's got the good it's got Gutenberg in it. So yeah, it's not good and free.
Misha 04:33
Gotta be good
Misha 04:39
okay, I'm gonna steal that. I
Tyler 04:41
stole it. We have to cut it. I stole it from someone else. But it's too good to keep it.
Misha 04:49
Okay. So Marlin and coral are to clownfish.
Tyler 04:55
We talked about those names really Queen sure what Mother What mother They're named her son Marlin. That's like naming fish Marlin is a fish
Misha 05:06
but it's like hello chimp.
Tyler 05:07
It's like Hell yeah, you're my.
Misha 05:10
Yeah. Hello, gibbon.
Tyler 05:12
This is my son orangutan. It's just an honor named
Misha 05:17
coral. It could just be like Oh, hello house.
Tyler 05:21
Yeah, exactly. Because at some point they're like, Oh, his name was something sporty was a tuna. Was it swordfish and then they're like Marlin Marlin, yeah, okay.
Misha 05:29
But Marlins are real name, isn't it? Aren't there people named Marlin Merlin humans Marlin?
Tyler 05:35
No Marlin Marlin I Marlon Brando, Mark. Marlon Brando Yes, exactly
Misha 05:41
the same but Goddamnit okay let's fast forward through this
Tyler 05:57
guy's
Misha 05:59
so a barracuda comes boom, it's a coral eats all 500 Eggs except one little cracked egg. And inside is baby MIMO and baby Nemo and Marlin are two buds two boys on their own Dad and son and Nemo has a little fin on one side and a regular sized fin on the other. And Marlin is over protective of Nemo because of his disability. And because he lost everybody else. Yeah. And is terrified of leaving the reef to go into open ocean. Yeah. He's even scared of leaving his own anemone. So he's very overly protective. And he becomes so over protective. He says to Nemo, like you can't do anything. You can't swim. Your fin is busted. You suck. You don't know how to you can't do anything. That was not very nice. Okay, Tyler. All right. Would you like to
Tyler 07:08
add it? I gotta give some flavor that I'm the flavor flavor. I'm the color commentary in this part.
Misha 07:15
He's just for our audience note Tyler is wearing a giant clock around.
Tyler 07:19
His neck is hurting my neck. Yeah,
Misha 07:21
yeah. It's like the ring around the chain. It's really heavy. It's heavier than it looks heavy.
Tyler 07:26
Is the weight. Heavy is the weight of being the support cast. Yeah, for this part. I'm supposed to be the flavor. I'm usually going Yeah. I feel like I'm the boring one. So I got to try to spice it up by being controversial.
Misha 07:42
schoolmates his new school friends. You just started school. See this boat? They call it a but because they don't know anything. I see this boat and we're going to touch it. But it turns out there's my fucking humans who are coming to the reef to to take wild fish out of the fucking ocean to capture them, and then sell them as pets and they're just the worst ever. Yeah. And we'll get into my fish facts at the end of the this guy.
Tyler 08:18
I can't remember. Correct me if I'm wrong. The dentist who you're going to bring up in a second mentions that he's the one who caught Nemo to give to his daughter right? Or was it some dude that he bought it from?
Misha 08:30
Oh, that's a good question. I'm not sure. Well,
Tyler 08:32
I mean, either way, they're, they're stealing but yeah,
Misha 08:35
so they take Nemo and Marlin tries to chase after them and just can't catch up. So the rest of the movie is Marlin trying to find Nemo. And trying talking to everyone he can allow your audience bolt. Oh,
Tyler 08:56
- Bolt loses his best buddy and goes across and goes on this long journey with weird side kicks to bolt came after his
Misha 09:07
best buddy loses his best party. Miley Cyrus bolt is neat. Wait, who's Miley Cyrus
Tyler 09:13
Miley Cyrus is the human that he is best buds with.
Misha 09:16
He doesn't lose her. She loses him and then goes Oh, well. That's like if Marlin gave up Marlin is Miley Cyrus. Nemo is bald. It's like if Marla's watch Oh, and what? Oh, I'll just get a replacement. Oh fuck why No. Is
Tyler 09:33
rhinos the nose I'm obnoxious.
Misha 09:38
No, because rhino is traveling is Doric, rhinos Dory, but that doesn't make sense. Because no, there is none. Yeah, no. There's no
Tyler 09:48
stretch. It's just both a road movie. So I mean, but yeah,
Misha 09:52
okay. There's there is one road in this movie. The East Atlanta Current Story Only a current. No, there's a literal road outside of the dentist office. Right? They will
Tyler 10:06
be many things like life for example is a highway as we learned in cars, movie cars, so sometimes you just kind of ride it all night long. Gross.
Misha 10:16
Okay, yeah.
Tyler 10:20
Contract sorry, tangent.
Misha 10:21
So Marlon is trying to find Nemo. Meanwhile, Nemo has been captured and gets put in a tank at a dentist office, dentist's office, and the dentist has this horrible rotten psychotic child. Yeah, who just kills fish? Because she's a fucking idiot. And her name is Darla, and then so Nemo is in this tank. With these other fish with a motley crew. Yeah. Which people do because they love taking wild animals and putting them in captivity and just having the worst lives ever. And so
Tyler 11:03
let's hear clownfish live with this puffer fish this starfish that will probably try to eat you a shrimp this shrimp is it shrimp? What what is the fish? Gill? The the main dude what's what kind of fish is that?
Misha 11:18
Is he forgot to fish? Something like that. Okay, let's look at it.
Tyler 11:24
Gil, voiced by the incomparable Willem Defoe.
Misha 11:29
He is a Moorish Idol.
Tyler 11:33
Hmm he's the leader the tanking kill in the gang.
Misha 11:37
And so also imagine if your name was lung, lung, or like his airway? I don't know what it's like what the air Oh yeah,
Tyler 11:49
and everything of that. Yeah, like Marlon was named to me but yeah, his name is Gil. Yeah, yeah.
Misha 11:55
Anyway,
Tyler 11:56
this my daughter urethra
Tyler 12:04
That's my son ape and my daughter urethra. urethra because it sounded like a lady's name kind of like
Misha 12:20
is that one of the names you paste
Tyler 12:21
by sudden murli Lambo and my daughter your rethrow
Misha 12:31
Frank grill, okay. God All right,
Tyler 12:41
so Deimos, with the tank game.
Misha 12:43
So nev Nemo is with the tanking and Gil is the only one besides Nemo who is from the ocean who's wild pot.
Tyler 12:53
Yeah Teressa
Misha 12:55
wants to escape. Well, actually even in stores a lot of them are wild caught. They're not going to be all bred
Tyler 13:02
but they all say they all I know
Misha 13:05
I'm just saying for our audience do not buy tropical fish and have some stats that will fund fish bags
Tyler 13:13
we're gonna get there Yeah, I said it for fish facts.
Misha 13:15
Mostly fun. Some Oh,
Tyler 13:20
I forget the last movie but like you dropped like it was like a little bit of a educational lesson. It was great. I forget what it was. Which movie that was about Kuwait
Misha 13:29
because no
Tyler 13:30
it wasn't I mean, well, you do it often you do like drop some knowledge. But I there was a particular time when you like just went hard in the pain. Oh,
Misha 13:38
read to. Okay. So, Gil wants to escape. So they're hatching a plan to escape, which Nemo obviously wants to do to get back to his dad and his home. And so that's kind of the movie Marlin traveling the ocean even though he's terrified of the wide open ocean he goes to all the lengths to get Nemo back and Nemo and Gill in the gang the tanking trying to get out. Long story short Marlin and Dory who he met a blue tang along the way, make it they skip to the dentist office. But part of the plan that Guillain the gang had was for Nemo to play dead and they think he's dead. And they give up they Marlin and Dory go back to the ocean with the help of a pelican and and I want to talk about that because I have I've brought with the story. Why did they Okay, whatever we'll get to
Tyler 14:50
so just really quick clarification Nemo the tanking thought Nemo was dead too because they but the NEMO gives them the wink.
Misha 14:58
No They were shouting Oh,
Tyler 15:00
he decided to play dead one Starla grabbed him.
Misha 15:03
Yeah. started shaking. Yeah. Idiot, but he gave them a wink and they knew like Wake up, wake up, you're gonna you're gonna go on the trash right rather than flushed down the toilet. Which is insane to put a bag
Tyler 15:20
of water in the trash
Misha 15:21
trucks.
Tyler 15:22
This movie doesn't make Australians look very good. Just saying Australian animals or human doesn't make them look very good.
Misha 15:30
And so Marlon is like, I'm going home and he leaves Dory. And poor Dory realizes like she knows that she has a bad memory and kit like short term memory loss or long term whatever it is memory loss issues. But she knows that being with Marlin is helping her and she gets really sad and Marlin leaves her behind because he's just really depressed because he thought me most days.
Tyler 15:56
Yeah, understandable. Yeah, it's understandable. And so he comes off looking like a jerk. But it's we have to understand.
Misha 16:03
He just traveled the wide open ocean this huge, long journey to find his son and he sees him dead. He thinks. But then guess what, what chaos ensues in the dentist's office? Yeah, Nemo gets out. He runs into Dory, but Nemo doesn't know who Dory is. And Nemo is like hey, can you help me find my dad? And they go and they start looking together and then Dorie realizes who he is? Does she? Yeah. Yes, she does.
Tyler 16:37
So she hears Sydney again. And then her Oh, she sees Sydney on the on the pipe flashback. Flashback and then she remembers Nemo and
Misha 16:44
and remembers everything, which is amazing. And then finally, Marlin and Nemo, get back together. They go home. Dory goes with them. Yeah. Then the rest of the gang the Tank Gang make their way out in little baggies. And that's it happily ever after. Yeah. And
Tyler 17:07
then I guess we have to assume because of the end credits that they get out of those bags in there. Okay.
Misha 17:13
I mean, I don't know do they? I was wondering the same thing. They didn't show them. They showed other characters. I think
Tyler 17:24
there's someone around the thing though, is I don't know if we can trust the end credits because at one point Mike was AUSkey from Monsters Inc swims by and we're like, okay, now what's going on? Now? What What kind of chuckle fuckery Yeah, Pixar
Misha 17:36
Cartoon Universe.
Tyler 17:38
So but we do see Gil and the PAM peach. The the starfish.
Misha 17:48
You should remember a peach. Well, yeah,
Tyler 17:50
I remember.
Misha 17:51
Shame on you. Also, you do have a PAM.
Tyler 17:54
I have my Pam.
Misha 17:57
You've never said my peach never said that. Yeah,
Tyler 18:00
I do say my Pam though.
Misha 18:01
I mean, now you? Yeah, you do say my Pam. Anyway. Yeah.
Tyler 18:05
They weren't in the plastic bags. They were out and they were like using the puffer fish whose name escapes me. It's like a little bouncy ball at one point. Yeah, they were anyway, that makes me they get free. I haven't seen Finding Dory still. So maybe they're in that movie? I don't know.
Misha 18:21
I've also not seen Finding Dory. So we'll find out next
Tyler 18:25
week find Dory next. All right. Well, all right. Let's get into it. There's a lot to talk about. Um, well, maybe not a lot of a lot of like random things in my in my notes. Yeah. Well, let's start out with originality. Now. Pretty original story.
Misha 18:53
Yeah, I will. I mean, I think it's original. Yeah.
Tyler 18:58
The only thing I would say is like do we take off points like we did for like a Goofy Movie and for bolt. We took off some points for like, road trip. Like for like family missing connections trying to trying to like communicate in and meet up again. We
Misha 19:15
also a Goofy a Goofy movie was based on the TV show.
Tyler 19:20
Yeah, yeah. We took off some points for that too. Yeah. So
Misha 19:23
and bought was just a mishmash of already existing thing.
Tyler 19:27
Yeah, both was like Toy Story mixed with homeward bound. Incredible journeyman show. Truven show.
Misha 19:34
This one is this one is I think this one's more original.
Tyler 19:39
This one is more original. I would totally agree. I just think. I don't know if it gets like a 10 out of 10. So I would like you said in the beginning it's like, tail is all this time, Dad. Mom.
Misha 19:52
I didn't say that. But
Tyler 19:57
Dad, Mom and son and others mad son has a bad day. Like,
Misha 20:05
anytime there's a dead mom, it should lose point. I'm so tired of that. And maybe that's me person.
Tyler 20:12
No, no, it is a trope that is because moms
Misha 20:18
dads fuck up all the time, right? I feel like
Tyler 20:21
missing. I'm just gonna take missing mom trope and see if it comes up as
Misha 20:25
Montreaux dead mom throw it dead mom drove for example.
Tyler 20:32
Yeah, it was some movie we just watched like, I mean, we just it was it Doug knows and Doug.
Misha 20:38
Oh, yeah, Doug because what's his name? Bluff? Bluff town? No, mom. laughs What's without the dead bombs? Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, so I think it is. There's a lot so yeah. So I think it's
Tyler 20:55
just we do see her demise. It's not just like she's missing and written out of the story but but she's written out of the story. They were originally apparently going to do like flashbacks throughout the movie saw that. They scrapped that because I mean, probably it would have not been as like, the beginning is like, artistically sound, I think like just from shot for shot, frame by frame. It's very, like artistic beginning and gets you right into the action. Unfortunately, it's at the expense of like a female character that doesn't have anything to say or do so. I mean, I think it should lose a little bit of points for just like, you know, like, toy stories. Also that Toy Story Toy Story two is all about like, road trip to to catch back up with the people you care about. I mean, it's not that it's bad. It's still a really, really fun movie, but I just feel like it's not a 10 out of 10. Or
Misha 21:48
maybe an eight out of 10 is pretty good. You know what that number
Tyler 21:53
sounds really good to me. Okay. Got a 10 Yeah. All
Misha 21:56
right. story. I think it's a I think it's an OK story. I think it's good story. I mean, I think it's a good story. Like all the different characters he needs are part of it. Okay, this is what I was gonna say in the beginning. So the Pelican Nigel. Yeah. Great name. Geoffrey Rush. Geoffrey Rush. Was that Geoffrey Rush? Wow.
Tyler 22:21
I think it's Geoffrey Rush. Interesting. Unless I'm getting to the Caribbean fame. Okay. Um,
Misha 22:31
yes. Yeah,
Tyler 22:32
it is Geoffrey Rush. Wow. Okay,
Misha 22:34
interesting. So Nigel, the Pelican is friends with the Tank Gang. Yeah. Why does he just scoop them away the whole time?
Tyler 22:45
Why doesn't he stick his big dumb face in there and scoop them all up? He's
Misha 22:49
always in there. Yeah, he like obviously, like, he can feel he did that with Marlin and Dory. Yeah. Why couldn't he just take his beak to flip the container open? Have everyone hop in, scoop them out and fly away? Yeah. No idea because the beginning is
Tyler 23:14
the dentist is also a total moron. Every time this massive bird slams into the window. He thinks it's like kids throwing rocks and doesn't realize what's going on. So just head in there free. That's
Misha 23:27
my job.
Tyler 23:31
I mean, Nigel's in Nigel's defense. He's a badly written character. He wasn't given a lot to do.
Misha 23:37
Okay, I really, I disagree.
Tyler 23:40
I like if I were this Pelican, I would say for sue that I've been given enough
Misha 23:45
agency is that what
Tyler 23:46
Geoffrey Rush that's my sense. That's my real that's the real rush that's full rush there. That's what he sounds like. Okay,
Misha 23:52
anyway. Oh, Sue
Tyler 23:55
slew. And now that you brought up the best Geoffrey Rush, I didn't do this before. I didn't think of this before there are I just thought it was like, you know, they got Albert Brooks I got down to generous there are a bunch of and then fucking John Ratzenberger because he lives at the Pixar Studios,
Misha 24:11
I think yeah, he does. I think the director did
Tyler 24:15
the one of the turtles like the main turtle crush. Yeah, but then there are a bunch of other Willem Defoe obviously to classic legend but like Allison Janney is in it as peach the sea star Steven rune another one of those like actors who isn't everything who I fucking love. Stephen is so great. He's bubbles. I mean, that's criminally you gotta give Stephen root domain character Why are you giving them bubbles? Come on. Anyway, but there are a lot of new Eric Bana is in this. The
Misha 24:45
Oh, that was surprising. Yeah, I've hugged him in real life. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Handsome man. He is very handsome. And I enjoyed hugging him. Yeah, it was nice. He's boring. Oh, well that's a shame. That's how I felt meeting him because I also met him when I met at with Joel McHale when they were working on a movie when I worked at and Joe McHale was like, nice and like normal and we chatted and like, like people do. And Eric Bana was sort of like, tight and I mean, tight and a couple of ways. hugging him was real nice.
Tyler 25:28
Give it a tie. Joel McHale is also quite fit, too. He is,
Misha 25:32
but I'm not next to Eric Bana. Interesting, okay. There is, at least at that time was very nice to Yeah, to touch. Nice.
Tyler 25:48
Well, what do we think for Okay, let's talk about the story. This story is,
Misha 25:55
here's the thing about the story. I like it, but it's kind of like a bunch of tropes. Just yeah. And it's,
Tyler 26:00
it's, the story itself is a bit. I mean, it's fine. It's not bad or anything, but it's, it's simple. And it's just made good by all those, like, kooky characters that he that are met along the way, which is, which
Misha 26:14
I think is part of it. It's really part of it. And it's like, it's interesting.
Tyler 26:19
It's just a little bit like okay, the the actual relationship between these characters is a bit like two dimensional and we don't have a lot to say about it. So let's just have have a bunch of like interesting things happen to them along the way, and then they'll they'll both learn separately, and they'll come back together and things will be fine. Which is fine. I mean, that's totally okay. totally acceptable way to make a movie, especially when those bits are so great. They meet those sharks that are all about like, in like basically, not eating fish fish anonymous, but not not anonymous, because they all know each other's names. Eric Bana plays the great orange, great white shark, I think. And they meet the they meet the sea turtle. Doesn't
Misha 27:05
he plays the Mako shark or the hammer? I think he plays a hammerhead, okay. Eric Bana plays the Hammerhead, right,
Tyler 27:13
he plays anchor Yeah. Bruce is Barry Humphries who is entered into that idea he looks familiar, but he looks like every British person sort of sallow and angry sorry
Tyler 27:34
yeah, they meet the Turtles The turtles are great. I didn't love the whole like surfer bro thing as much as I did when I either do I first watched it. I was like, hey, like, but a lot of other characters are like the stupid seagulls or just say mine all the time. I still love that.
Misha 27:50
I love that meat to my mind. Yeah, I love that
Tyler 27:54
stupid little carrot. Like in the beginning when Nemo first goes to school and meets the other kids and one of them is like, I love noxious.
Misha 28:03
That's my favorite. Yeah, I say
Tyler 28:06
go to yeah, this watching back watching this movie. And I was like, oh, there's a lot of like little things that me or my siblings say all the time. Like just keep swimming. Just keep swimming. Yeah, the great characters. And the little the little octopus or squid was like, Oh, you made me ink. That's
Misha 28:21
so cute. Yeah, they're really cute. Yeah, it's like cue and keep it like it's entertaining the whole time. And I think I actually like that. It's a simple story, because we've seen what happens when they try to make a complicated story. It just, it doesn't always work. So I'd rather be simpler with interesting things happening. Yeah. So you know, the story is Nemo gets captured. Marlin goes to find him. Yeah, and then yeah,
Tyler 28:56
all that stuff in the middle like Nemo becoming part of the Tank Gang getting renamed Sharkbait which is awesome. And like that whole that whole plan to escape. I love that.
Misha 29:08
They like initiate him into the gang. That whole scene.
Tyler 29:15
And one of them is like really off. I think it's like one of the fishes like yeah, who Oh, yeah. How? It's like, totally. Totally off. Totally good. On Mount on there.
Misha 29:30
With making the tank dirty.
29:33
Yeah. Like,
Misha 29:34
it's really good. I think this is a solid story.
Tyler 29:38
I think it's super solid. Yeah,
Misha 29:39
I think it should be high.
Tyler 29:41
I think it'd be pretty high. Yeah, so this this is like, I think this story is better than trying to remember but like better than the Pixar movies that came before as far as stories concerned. I don't remember when Toy Story three came out that one had a pretty solid story. But like Toy Story one and two, I'm not dissing them or like Monsters Inc. or Bug's Life. But this story, like I think as much is like a step up.
Misha 30:08
I think this is yeah. And then we get a later step up with things like
Tyler 30:11
Coco, like later, like really stepping up the depth of what a story can do.
Misha 30:16
I would go as high as a nine. Okay,
Tyler 30:18
I'm fine with that. I think it's a solid story.
Misha 30:21
It's executed well, right. Like,
Tyler 30:24
we can like things for different reasons. This one's really high because it's just like, very well executed. And like, there's no it's weird because it's like all filler, but it doesn't feel like filler. And, yeah, which is really important
Misha 30:38
character development, like when Marlin starts yelling at Dory, that she can't do something. Yeah, like that's so important for the growth of the characters. And that, to me is part of the story. Yeah. Like Nemo, realizing he can do things on his own, and he doesn't have to be given permission to do things, even though he was kind of like a kid. Like, no, don't tell me what to do. But like, he really starts to believe it. And I like it. Yeah.
Tyler 31:02
And I think the father's journey is a little less nuanced. It's a little bit more like on the nose, like you need to learn to trust and let go but but it's still effective. And, you know, as a soon to be parent it. It struck a chord with me that I had not struck a chord with me earlier. Oh.
Misha 31:23
Do you think nine is too high?
Tyler 31:25
I think nine is good. I liked I liked. I liked that. Like, shoot
Misha 31:29
from the hip. Yeah. Okay.
Tyler 31:31
Especially after nation. Fantasia 2000. God, yeah, animation. I'm gonna I want to hear what you have to say. Because you are the the ocean expert. And we've had problems with the depictions of water and water creatures. So I want to first hear you, I thought, but I want to hear what you say.
Misha 31:51
I thought it was great. I mean, this movie came out in 2003. And it holds up. I think it was beautiful. There was a couple parts. There was a couple things that I didn't like so much. So when the boat is leaving, and you're the kit, like let's say the cameras in the air and looking down, it looked the water didn't look good at all that whole scene where you see the bird's eye view of the boat, leaving the water coming behind it. And the jet wake, whatever. Not good. Rent girl. Okay. The eyes of the characters sometimes bothered me because I can't remember who but like, some of them were like so cartoony. And, like very brightly colored, like the irises were so bright compared to the fish color themselves and, and it just seemed like off a little bit. But generally, I thought everything looks really good that like, the scenery, the water in general, the way they use light under water, I thought was really good. And different scenes. Light playing differently off of different characters in the water in the atmosphere. It was it. I thought it was good. Yeah,
Tyler 33:17
I agree. Like the, from the beginning, the light sort of, you know, sprinkling down through the water in the beginning climate because
Misha 33:26
it's shallow because they're in a coral reef. So it's like you can really see like direct light almost, and then as you go deeper out into the open ocean, it's not hitting anything because it's open ocean, so it's diffused a lot more like that was really nice.
Tyler 33:42
Yeah. And then when they go down to the that trench where they meet the angler fish, I thought that part like the use of light was really really good. I mean, use of light and shadow sort of that Kyoto scudo effect if you will, was quite good. Although the angler fish was much too not blind for my taste, but he seemed to but whatever it was good,
Misha 34:05
fun fact, you are sexist. Here's a fish fact first fish fact of the segue of the episode. Only female angler fish have the lore that donates. So male angler fish are significantly smaller than the females and they are parasitic. So the females eat other creatures animals, whatever with their mouths, but the males are parasitic and when they're young, as soon as they find a female angler fish, they attach themselves to her. And as much as I think it's like, let's see. Yeah, six or more males will be on one female angler fish. So when you see what the classic angler fish with the illuminated Lord see
Tyler 35:00
Wow That's That's awesome. Thanks for schooling me. Oh, isn't that like it always is ladies just a bunch of men just hanging on you just yeah all bunch of parasites Jesus sides men of the worst. Yes that's very there's even a line in the movie where where Dory corrects Marlon and the Marlins, like let's not do this gender fight now it's more of a Yeah, what is it? Oh, they think there's the there's a whale coming it's the whale scene and Dory is trying to like communicate and she corrects his gendering his pronoun of use. And he's like, alright, let's not do this right now. It does. Yeah, so I'm apologizing for Marlon and for me, Marley and Me
Tyler 35:51
What else about animation? I really Yeah, I liked it. The all the movement was really good. I thought like, I didn't see I didn't me, you know better than me. But I didn't see a lot of fish that looked wonky in their movement like this. Yes. The schools of fish moving were great. The the whole, the whole coral colony looks really beautiful. Whether or not whether or not it was all accurate and stuff, I don't know, but it just looked really colorful and pretty. Right.
Misha 36:14
And in the last two movies that Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 We talked about how things move in their environment. And when it's not done correctly, it really stands out. So the whales in Fantasia 2000 didn't move in a way that our brains it like was wrong. The physics of it was wrong. And the elk in Fantasia 2000 In the last part. And they didn't see any of that in this. Everybody seemed like the fish. When Gill and Nemo were in the tray in the dentist office and they had like, jumped out and we're just there like sort of flopping a little bit and then lying there like everything felt the physics of everything felt real. Yeah, and all of the animals underwater and stuff.
Tyler 37:06
And that scene where Nigel meets Marlin and Dory on the dock and when Marlin and Dory are out of the water, and they're flip flopping around. Yeah, that looks all good. Yep, the only parts that stood out to me is a bit weak. seem just like a limit of the technology. Maybe when Dory and Marlin pop up into Sydney Harbour, like at nighttime above water, they looked a little too glassy and strange looking at didn't quite have that. I hate to say this, but that's sort of like cars, two cars three, like show perfect shine
Misha 37:41
when they're wet. When they were wet out of water, any of the animals wet out of water and quite have that did look off. But to me, I was just like, I think it is a flaw of that. Not a flaw.
Tyler 37:55
It's a limitation of the technology. Yeah,
Misha 37:57
yeah. of the time.
Tyler 37:58
If you compare that to like, the water scene at the beginning of cars to where the water like the water in the beginning cars to that was like the one postulate of the movie for it because it's looked so fucking good. And then just the the ray tracing and subsurface scattering, scattering of like how the light dances off of things. That yeah, they get there eventually. But it's 2003.
Misha 38:22
I mean, for I mean, that's where cars, that's where all the cars got their points, yes, an animation, they are all done very, very well. And Finding Nemo is limited by the time in which it was made. But we can
Tyler 38:35
see sort of progression. I mean, we're filling in the gaps we've we're we're missing a couple along the way, but we can see, from Bug's Life to this movie, to brave to the cars, movies, how they've like built strength upon strength in the animation category, at least maybe not always the storytelling category and character category. But, you know, the pics are really, really is, you know, amazing. Yeah, what else? What else gonna say? They're great at the job. I don't think it's perfect. But so maybe it should be a perfect 10 out of 10 because of No, I don't think it's but it's pretty damn close.
Misha 39:12
I think it's high up there. Yeah, um, I think a seven or eight is is fair because we did name a few areas that were there problems.
Tyler 39:23
I think I would say my my gut on this one is to go eight, because like, the problems aren't so big that they really take us out.
Misha 39:31
Yeah, yeah, you're right. Okay. Let's just do a little little
Tyler 39:36
blinking. There's like, Oh, that looks a little strange, but it's not enough to go.
Misha 39:39
You're right. Yeah. Okay,
Tyler 39:42
I think hey, yeah, it's it sounds good. Okay. All right. Well, next up music and sound. Yeah. What do you think this is one of those movies where it's really hard to pay attention to the music there. We've had a couple of those but I've tried really, really hard because you know, Having seen it before, and having remembered most of it pretty well as opposed to some of these like brilliant Beauty and the Beast did not remember very well or Atlantis. This one I remember pretty well. So I was able to like really sit back and listen to the music and I thought it was really good. And here's why. Now, this isn't the reason why this is the joke reason why it's the first Pixar movie to not be scored by Randy Newman. Yeah, our old buddy Randy Newman, who does make good music sometimes this was done by his cousin Thomas Newman, who's I feel like has come up before it was either him or a different cousin that or brother that came up but we've dealt with another Newman before you did a solid job. This guy does a lot of solid work too. He's done. He's done a lot of great. Yep. soundtracks. I think it's solid, where it needed to be scary. Or when it needed to go like a good example of is in the the scene with the three sharks where it's like, silly, it's still kind of whimsical at first, but then yeah, silly. But then when Bruce smells the blood in his eyes go black, which was a cool little touch. It gets scary and suspenseful. Again. This, they do a very good job of. I mean, this is a good example of the music needs to fade into the background and heightened the emotions without standing out and being weird. Like,
Misha 41:18
right, like, there were no times where it didn't match what was going on. Yeah, we've seen that in some of the movies where you're like, Okay, what I'm seeing is that I'm supposed to be tense and scared, but the music sounds like dude.
Tyler 41:31
Like why? Why another circuit song in this point, A Bug's Life. It's like yeah, like sometimes if the music just like with animation, we don't want any moment to like, take us out of the magic of it. And I didn't I didn't for me, I thought it was great. And there was no shitty and yet song. It was like it was a cover of a class. Bobby Darren song.
Misha 41:50
Yeah, on the seats. All right. I love that song.
Tyler 41:53
It was Robin Williams again, who also did a song at the end of cars too. If you recall. Oh, we say pound do you say dollar bullshit like American? Would you remember that one? He was the
Misha 42:05
Yep. Yep. Yep. Worse on
42:07
something. Yeah.
Misha 42:09
Because I read we read the lyrics. One of us. I think I did. You did? You did? I think anyway. Yeah. Terrible. This was really good, though. Yeah, it.
Tyler 42:20
It didn't stand out to me as amazing, but I think it's super solid. Right?
Misha 42:24
Does it did what it needed to do? Because that wasn't the point of this.
Tyler 42:29
I mean, I think this is like, pretty solid. It's like I would say seven or eight. Yeah, I
Misha 42:33
think seven. I would say seven. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. protagonists. Now this is where are we? I'm like trying to thinking about what to do and I don't know my, but I have. Let's
Tyler 42:47
hear your ideas.
Misha 42:48
No, you go first. My ideas. Because of the show. We do it on the count of three. You count down this time because every time I've done this, I've fucked it up. Okay. Okay. 321 there, Bo. Marlon.
Tyler 43:05
You paused.
Misha 43:06
I love your sweater, by the way, because Thank you very much.
Tyler 43:09
I said it right. As you said, you said one pi. You
Misha 43:13
don't you paused for me. Well, last
Tyler 43:17
time like last last countdown. I can't criticize. There's a
Misha 43:22
lag. Okay. Anyway. I was thinking both as well. I think it's because of actively doing things but then I was like, what is it? So let's do both okay, it's
Tyler 43:34
like the movie makes it Marlon. But I think I think it's both because Nemo is like
Misha 43:38
think so to half of the movie. Waiting. Yeah. He's not just like, where's my dad? He's like, I'm getting that as a whole.
Tyler 43:48
And this also helps open up the next category to for Yeah,
Misha 43:52
well does. Because otherwise Oh,
Tyler 43:56
and also I think it's gonna make this score higher. That's gonna bang bang. That's Ethel Merman doing in sync what I was about to say before before so I think making them both protagonist is going to lift the score because if it's only Marlon, I don't think the score would be as high because Nemo is you're right Nemo. decides you're right about the side kicks score to just Marlin. Okay, but Marlin and Nemo, it's a little bit better than okay. I think.
Misha 44:31
Just email like, Yeah, I think it's just okay.
Tyler 44:37
I'm fine. I would say on the good side of okay, good side of okay, Mo Nemo doesn't have much to do. Let's do something he does learn and grow and
Misha 44:47
show himself. So that's right. And he's okay. And Marlins, okay, like they're both okay. That's not the point.
Tyler 44:55
Marlon is actually pretty obnoxious for most of the movie. He's kind of a jerk.
Misha 45:01
And he just puts people down and he's needs. It's okay. Remember we were talking about intergenerational trauma of an Konto does fucking Marlin and his trauma that he's putting on Nemo? Yeah. So, but the two of them to get I think they're okay. I think this is where we say I think a six is fair.
Tyler 45:21
I think six is as high as we should go. Yes, I
Misha 45:24
agree. Okay. All right. Yeah, I
Tyler 45:27
was originally thinking five but I think if we do it both It's Nemo. Yeah,
Misha 45:32
it bumps. Yeah.
Tyler 45:33
Yeah. All right. Is there anything else we should see them as protagonists? Like before we move to side kicks, I mean, side kicks is
Misha 45:40
just kind of flat. It's like everyone else and every other part of the movie that lifts the whole movie.
Tyler 45:45
Oh, yeah, we did our time we put our time in. Alright, moving, though
Misha 45:49
his little finish. Me most little Finn reminds me of Simon's funny leg. That doesn't quite work. Simon is my dog, everybody his back right leg
Tyler 45:59
feels like everybody knows Simon by now.
Misha 46:03
newcomers.
Tyler 46:04
So if those newcomers don't already know about Simon doggy, then get out of that rock and start living. So side kicks. Normally, people would probably say the Dory is the sidekick here. We're gonna open it up because Nemo is as a protagonist. The Tank Gang are side kicks like they're a big part of this movie and they're literally side kicks helping Nemo get free so so we got Gil Willem Defoe. We got Steven Roode doing the bubble guy who's obsessed with bubbles to the point where he's the same as
Misha 46:35
the yellow Tang.
Tyler 46:37
Yeah. I seem to remember some story that this movie was so popular that people went out to try to buy blue tanks and it caused a big maybe that's that's
Misha 46:46
part Yep. Okay, don't worry. We'll get
Tyler 46:50
to the fish facts. Brad Garrett, who played the rhinoceros beetle in A Bug's Life is back as the it's not a puffer fish. It's something that like a scorpion fish or something they call it what do they call it? I mean, to me, it's a puffer fish, fish. Fish. Porcupine fish. Yeah, it's a type of blowfish. Yeah, yeah. Or it is the there's sometimes collectively called puffer fish. Okay, so yeah, he has what's his name? His name's bloat. God that's a rough name. My name is eczema.
Misha 47:27
Oh, it's what he does when he gets scared so like My name is shit my pants
Tyler 47:33
we've got peach. The starfish who else was a shock the it was a shock the shrimp shock is the shrimp. Yeah. Who does that? Who does that French voice who does the voice?
Misha 47:45
Oh some person.
Tyler 47:46
Ramp? Oh some dude at Pixar kind of like Heimlich with some dude at Pixar doing a German accent. Yeah, we've got Nigel I would include Nigel as well. I wouldn't say I wouldn't go as far as to say
Misha 48:00
what not include Nigel. Nigel had nothing to do with the tank. Yeah.
Tyler 48:06
Every once in a while. Yeah, you're right. Nigel is on the same. Nigel's help them if he was how we brought Marlin and Dory. He
Misha 48:16
did not help the tanking escape. He didn't You're right. He didn't know in
Tyler 48:21
depth, depth size flow, the dissociative identity disorder. damselfish also is there too. She looks familiar. How do I know how she was on News Radio? Vicki Lewis okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I was about to say, Nigel, but you're right, because Nigel has kind of like crushed the sea turtle. Very helpful, or some arguably helpful but not like a sidekick? Yeah, yeah. Bruce eventually brings Dory back to the person. The other sharks bring Dory back to the coral colony. They're very mostly friendly, but they don't count either. I don't know. But I love the site. I think the tanking brings the score up from Yeah,
Misha 49:02
I agree tanking. Dory is Greg's. I think Gary is great. Really, I can't handle. I can't handle the Dory.
Tyler 49:12
Is it because it's Ellen DeGeneres?
Misha 49:14
No, I like Ellen DeGeneres.
Tyler 49:17
I don't think Ellen DeGeneres is a horrible person. She treats. Yes, she treats her staff.
Misha 49:23
Okay, right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
Tyler 49:25
Before I loved her, I thought she was great. But when I heard that like that her whole like, yeah, that person has a facade and a veneer of mask.
Misha 49:34
I mean, I don't I'm not like a fan. I don't right. So Eric Bana.
Tyler 49:36
I mean, come on. No, I mean, I like Dory. What do you what do you not like about Dory? Is it just like her her her boundless enthusiasm gets on gets on your nerves. She's
Misha 49:50
annoying. No, she's annoying. I thought, yeah, I find it just annoying. Like, I don't like to just keep swimming. We're like, okay, like we get it or Like, like the whale sat like, I feel
Tyler 50:04
like that was that was too much. Yeah, yeah. When I first watched this, I thought she was really great and funny and I really like her like conversations when she's sleeping.
Misha 50:16
So that's like what she gets real at the end. But yeah, you could. I don't know, I just found her grading more than anything. Yeah,
Tyler 50:27
I mean, I definitely found her more obnoxious this time around than I did when I was younger. And I'm not sure if that's because the knowing who the voice is and having a beef with Ellen, quite famous internet beef with Ellen. Is that right? Yeah, I get it. They're hanging off a whale's tongue looking down into the abyss of whales. rest of its body stomach darkness. Marlon is right to be like, What the fuck you talking about? We're gonna die. And that, that endless optimism is a bit grating and all the whales, whale songs. Whale voice is a bit annoying. And
Misha 51:05
she's singing and it's just like, it's like so over the top what they do with her. There's never up until like her. We finding out she can talk to the whale. And then at the end, there's like no realness to
Tyler 51:23
are you saying okay,
Misha 51:26
it's just annoying. Here's
Tyler 51:27
the thing. Here's what you're saying, Misha coming close, quick. John goes. Okay, there's what you're saying. Dory is the mater of the Finding Nemo universe. She's in your face. She's loud. She's annoying. She's too positive. And she's an idiot. And the second movie is all about her. Luck Decimator doors made her I'm sold. I don't like her anymore. Yeah, was made. Yep.
Misha 51:54
Yep, just keep swimming. To hell. I don't like to just keep swimming thing. I don't like the whale thing. Although at one point, she was singing every of her lines. And it reminded me of that lady that worked at the UNH Dining Hall. It'll be $3.42
Tyler 52:19
She was so great.
Misha 52:21
She was great. But you can't spend two hours with her. Yeah, that's the string. You can spend three minutes and it's lovely. And it's charming. And it brightens up your day. But then when you have her throughout an entire movie, and then we'll see how far that Dory is.
Tyler 52:44
I guess I don't dislike her as much as you do. But I get to get where you're coming from and the
Misha 52:49
rest of the side kicks like we said the tanking lifted up. So um, and quite a bit. I really do like them and I don't as I would give Dory a low score and I would give the tanking a high score but I wouldn't necessarily just put it straight in the middle between them because I don't think it's yeah, that bad. If that makes sense. I don't have a little bit of a higher maybe like a six. Okay, like the good. Maybe a seven even. What were you thinking not that high lower?
Tyler 53:29
Well, I was thinking based on your your feelings for Dory that it would be somewhere around like a five but if you think it's a little bit over five, I'm five
Misha 53:36
to six.
Tyler 53:37
I think the tanker. Yeah, great. Yeah,
Misha 53:38
I think a six is good.
Tyler 53:40
For like the first I might say the first half of the movie. I was still with Dori. I liked her. Like, I liked her cheeriness up to a point. So I think I liked her more than
Misha 53:53
every single line is like, Huh, what finding Ricoh Chico Elma. Like, yeah, we get it like you can remember like, give her a little bit more credit.
Tyler 54:05
Yeah, I think it's one license she
Misha 54:07
can read. And that was good and interesting and surprising. And she and I liked those parts. So that's what I don't think it's like,
Tyler 54:15
I liked that. She had like, memory issues. And they had a character with a problem like that, or an issue like that. And
Misha 54:23
like they could have had her have memory issues, but not make her annoying. Yeah. Like it's like they did, right. Anyway. Yeah, I know. They do that for kids. Like, oh, we're gonna have this stupid character like Gator because kids will like it. And it's just like,
Tyler 54:38
Yeah, I mean, I think kids I don't know how to fish facts coming up about that, I suppose. I suppose. But I mean, 2003 I love Dory, too. I thought she was great. I didn't find her like grading. I don't remember finding her annoying. As a more grizzled world weary adult.
Misha 54:55
I can see it. Alright. I didn't like her the first time around and I didn't like her now. So, but I think the tanking really raises the score, so I'm fine with a six. Make sure it's women have to tanking our female fish. Anyway. Thank you. Humans.
Tyler 55:21
Female.
Misha 55:23
What are you gonna call them? Lady fish? Fuck you
Tyler 55:27
know every No, it's just every time someone says female I have to do it in a friendly voice. Okay,
Misha 55:31
gross. Can we not talk about? God dammit. Okay.
Tyler 55:35
Six or seven for sidekick?
Misha 55:38
I think six. Okay. Six is fine. Villain.
Tyler 55:44
Now the villain is man again. But yeah, like, but they're not very interesting. It's not like Bambi. Man. It's
Misha 55:53
they're not scary. They're just awful. Yeah, the it's just all of humanity. I mean, I could start talking about my life. Some of my fish facts. I
Tyler 56:04
like that out. We can for sure. I'd really like to say, I like that. They introduced the threat of Darla before she shows up. I like that.
Misha 56:13
Me too. And once he walks into the room and slams the door open and then the frame falls and then they do
Tyler 56:19
the psycho music. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was good. I just, I
Misha 56:27
these scuba divers are the villain the dentist. Darla. Yeah, but it's like, it's like man, being
Tyler 56:39
bad in like, What's the fucking movie? I'm thinking of don't not Dumbo because they're worse than Dumbo. But ya know, it's like Dumbo. It's like man is
Misha 56:47
I think this is better, because this is a lot clearer. Yeah, Darla, and the stupid dentists tend to Darla Yeah, they're more daughter is nice.
Tyler 56:56
Maybe? I thought it was daughter but maybe he needs the dentist is just an antagonist. I wouldn't call him a villain in the classical sense, but he's, I mean, he steals Nemo. So he's obviously got some blood on his hands but Darla is the nastier threat. So I mean, but still it's just not very interesting. So maybe like yeah, 232
Misha 57:19
I think yeah, to think of two
Tyler 57:21
and then henchmen is like a one there's no henchmen. It's like dark.
Misha 57:25
Darla is the big grey. Scuba divers. I
Tyler 57:29
don't know the sky divers. I think the scuba diver the seals Nemo is the dentist because he's he says something to one of his patients. I think I could be wrong about that. So get at me in the comments.
Misha 57:41
Strong Female Lead.
Tyler 57:43
Oh, do you want to sorry, fish facts? Fish facts?
Misha 57:45
We can wait. Well, let's just get through this. And then I'll go through okay, because
Tyler 57:49
the next couple of categories are going to be pretty low rank. Yeah, I'm strong female lead. One, right. They kill Cora. Tori's not a strong female lead.
Misha 58:00
She's not a lead. Right.
Tyler 58:03
All right. bipoc representation slash portrayal 111 Mel
Misha 58:08
White cast all white cast fun factor. This is fun. I like it. It's a fun, fun movie. I know. It's sad because they're missing each other. But they're fine. And there's little sad bits, but it's mostly fun. Yeah.
Tyler 58:21
It's mostly fun. There are some sad bits about just like the
Misha 58:25
mom dying right away. And overfishing and illegal wildlife capturing for the pet trade, which we'll get into. Yeah. So fun tags.
Tyler 58:37
Okay, so fun facts.
Misha 58:38
It's fun.
Tyler 58:39
Let's talk about fleet. Let's give this a fun factor. Score and then talk about your fun facts. Your fun fish facts. Okay. I think it is fun. It is mostly fun. I just don't think 10 out of 10 I think like it's solid, like solid eight or something like that. But yeah, I
Misha 58:53
was gonna say an eight as well. I think it's a fun movie. There's lots of fun elements. And yeah, an eight is good.
Tyler 58:59
Eight out of 10 for Finding Nemo. Okay.
Misha 59:02
Yeah. All right. On fish. Let's talk about my facts. Your facts part of it. That doesn't sit right. I actually know.
Tyler 59:10
Chairs. Pull up some fireplaces. Let's get cozy. This.
Misha 59:14
This isn't a doesn't sit right because the point of the movie was to be like fuck humans for stealing fish out of the whale. Keep your fucking grabby hands to yourselves leave wild animals in the wild. But because of this movie. And so, after this movie. More so in general, more than a million clownfish are taken out of reefs every single year for the pet trade since this movie in since this movie. Since this movie, because of this movie, clownfish have gone locally. stinked in all of the Philippines, and parts of Thailand and Sri Lanka. So you asked about blue tang because Dory, I remember reading something about finding dory came out. This movie did not affect blue tang populations as much as fish populations were it was only I mean, I say only but it's still fucked up and just stop keeping wild animals as pets people. Only 300,000 blue tang per year are taken out of the wild compared to a million clownfish. All right, yeah, majority, the United States is the largest market for exotic fish, pet trade, and because of movies, so this isn't the first time this has happened. There was a spike in Dalmatians, purchased after 101 Dalmatians. And as a result, a spike in Dalmatians being given brought to shelters. Yeah, because of this because people are idiot assholes. Same thing happened with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It is a legal to trade them. But the illegal pet trade of turtles skyrocketed because of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Humans are the worst. Yeah,
Tyler 1:01:29
so do you think this I don't think this deserves any like, doesn't sit right.
Misha 1:01:35
No, it doesn't. Because the whole the message of the movie was to not do that. And then everybody was like, Oh, I'm an idiot, because I'm a human. And I'm selfish. And I'm so stupid. I'm gonna just stop buying clothes for my kids. Because they asked me I'm a dumb dumb. Yeah. Anyway.
Tyler 1:01:49
Yeah, that's how you get dolly shot. It
Misha 1:01:51
doesn't sit right.
Tyler 1:01:51
So you get the darlings of the world like the god. Yeah,
Misha 1:01:55
exactly. Exactly. And then they just murder all of the exotic and what wildlife there what it's why it's fucking wildlife, just leave it in the wild. Anyway, I could talk about this. We don't
Tyler 1:02:09
have to. We don't have to put this in. Because the because we've talked about this before. I just don't remember the answer. What's the percentage of zoos? Let's say in America, because if you add other countries, it's obviously going to what's the percentage of zoos in America where like, you would say, I mean, I know you have your opinions, but we're like, objectively speaking, they do work that is important. Like research work, preservation work.
Misha 1:02:34
Really, really, really low. So honestly, less than i less than what you can count
1:02:42
less than they tout, basically. Yeah. And
Misha 1:02:47
zoos that do conservation work such as the Bronx Zoo. Still do wild capture for exhibits? Yeah,
Tyler 1:02:57
they had this week. I think it was like a planet money or something that I they trade between zoos of like, we need a grizzly bear to fuck our grizzly bear. Who wants eight crocodiles for grizzly bear? Like the streets
Misha 1:03:09
trapping? Yeah, so that trade is real. And they still do wild cat like caught animals for exhibits? Yeah. Because it's, there's a legal loophole. So for example, if you want one, parrot, nine parrots die. So one out of 10 wild like birds, exotic birds make it because transporting, catching of an animal and then transporting of an animal is incredibly stressful. And a lot of them die, so they have to over catch. And so while these zoos claim education, and that's a legal loophole, claim education and conservation, which isn't clearly defined, yeah, they can just fucking murder wild animals. It started to change you but only the zoos that care that also have a conservation branch of their organization are changing. So the majority of zoos do not have that.
Tyler 1:04:27
Yeah, and there are so many fuck I mean, even in the states are so many like, I mean that Joe exotic? Yeah. York's Wild Kingdom. Bullshit.
Misha 1:04:38
The oversight of those is minimal, is really really minimal and a lot of animals die. A lot of animals are captured from the wild. Like, and it's I think the it might be the USDA that oversees it and which is a So it's just it's shitty, it's really really shitty. It's like you could have two zoos, or like five, let's say in the United States that are doing good work, but they're also allowed to do shitty things. Yeah, they're not just conservation. There's other parts. And because they are allowed to exist, all of the other zoos are allowed to exist. So there's also the ACA, which is the American Zoological Association. And they're some of the like oversight. They're an oversight authority to make sure people meet their standards. You don't have to be credited with them. You're still legally allowed to have a zoo and not be credited with them. So while they are another agency that oversees the welfare of the animals in captivity, you don't have to be an AZ a credited organization. Yeah, there's so much. They don't do good. They don't do a good job with their oversight. So it's like,
Tyler 1:05:58
yeah, I forget where it was. But um, I don't listen to many like American news. Or it was probably like NPR or like some NPR thing, like through line or playing on money. But there's this great piece about like, why Great Whites never survive in captivity, and like the efforts to like, keep one in captivity, but like, not kill it. And it was really, I mean, it was really sad. But it was also really interesting to see like, like the science behind it, and like trying to figure out the mystery behind the great white shark and why they don't make it because they're just how much
Misha 1:06:36
clownfish actually live longer in the wild than they do in captivity. Yeah,
Tyler 1:06:42
some animals is not like that, like rats, for example. But some
Misha 1:06:46
animals are the opposite for a variety of reasons. Yeah. Some animals
Tyler 1:06:53
probably have worse lives.
Misha 1:06:55
In general, cetaceans across the board have shorter lifespans in captivity, like do in the wild.
Tyler 1:07:01
And like with great whites, it's something that needs needs to roam basically, and can't like yeah, there's
Misha 1:07:07
like social like, and animals that live in communities, and are very social. The stress that's put on them by living isolated, is it shortens their lifespans. And it's it just fucking cut. It's mental torture. For a lot of animals. It's just really sad. Yeah, fucking hate it. Well,
Tyler 1:07:36
okay, for lessons folks. Know, let's
Misha 1:07:43
have fun facts that are actually fun and depressing. Yeah, let's
Tyler 1:07:48
get to the fun. Let's get to the fun facts.
Misha 1:07:52
Okay, so, Mr. Ray, who is the Teacher of the school?
Tyler 1:07:58
He's great. I
Misha 1:07:58
can talk about him. Yeah. Yeah, so he is a spotted eagle ray. And Spotted Eagle rays can grow up to 16 feet wide. They're like their wingspan. And they have some of the largest wingspan Well, not really. But I mean, that's pretty fucking cool how big they can get and they're beautiful.
Tyler 1:08:17
Very beautiful. And I love how he's like this Miss Frizzle like super excited to teach. Not as insane as Miss Frizzle and just I mean, it was over my head all the things he was spouting like all the knowledge and scientific terms. It was great he was really great. Good Teacher good good. Uh, do not need to keep better eyes on his students on a field trip. But other than that good teacher happens. We already are there any other funny chef's kiss moments? Oh, when?
Misha 1:08:53
Yes. Wait wait wait is this for oh yeah for fun factor we can talk about something
Tyler 1:08:58
Yeah, I mean we're in does this a rope of fun factor like when the bombs goes nothing that doesn't sit right let's go back to fun factor when the when the world war two minds go off and blow up in a bubble reaches the surface under the sea to the seagull or I think it's a pelican and it I don't remember what the other Pelican or the other birds Yeah, it was they were pelicans because the seagulls just go Mind Mind Mind because they're right. Yeah, they're like little bowling
Misha 1:09:23
pins instead of like, pointy. Well, yeah, well
Tyler 1:09:27
defined. Yeah. Which was kind of funny. But yeah, I like the little fart and then the other bird is like That's good. Nice. Awesome. Scary.
Misha 1:09:40
Yeah, she did.
Tyler 1:09:41
She did.
Misha 1:09:42
She did.
1:09:44
She did. Ah.
Misha 1:09:47
Ah, okay. Yeah. What was I gonna say? Oh, when they were when they disabled the filter and they wanted the tank to get dirty and go goes thanks. Any thoughts? Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of fun. He was funny. Yeah,
Tyler 1:10:05
well, I'm the faux magical. You may be and the people looked weird. We forgot to mention that in animation, but this is still a period where the people look weird.
Misha 1:10:16
Yes. I thought they were going to look worse. I remember them looking worse. And then I was like, Okay, I don't really look that bad. They were actually okay. Toy Story. Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. For sure that they were fine. But anyway, any other fun fish facts? I do. This one is not a fish fact. But the East Australia current can flow up to 90 centimeters per second, which equals three feet per second, which equals seven kilometers per hour, which equals four and a half miles per hour. So it actually is a pretty fast current fast. Yeah. Warm current that runs flows along the east side of Australia as the name would suggest, so that was a fun fact to find out. Yeah. And then I want you to guess how many species of baleen whales there are.
Tyler 1:11:14
Oh, in real life or in the movie in real life? Okay. Okay. Okay. We've got blue whale.
Misha 1:11:24
Right Whale, humpback whale.
Tyler 1:11:29
Minkee whale, although I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly.
Misha 1:11:33
There's the guy did say mink. Mink gray whale.
Tyler 1:11:40
So I already said Gary said great. I think I said so. Wait. blue gray. Right Whale. The really, really rare one. I've seen a couple on a whale watching tour. A humpback may or Minkee. I can't think of any others. I think I'm missing some but
Misha 1:12:01
yeah, yeah. But I got five. That's pretty good. So actually, there are three species of right whale and two species of minke whale. Okay. Yep. So there's also the fin whale. The bride's Well, the SE whale. S II. i Okay. Or morose? Well, I
Tyler 1:12:24
don't know that one either. Interesting.
Misha 1:12:27
Yep. Did you say humpback?
Tyler 1:12:28
I did say humpback. Yeah.
Misha 1:12:30
And you said gray whale.
Tyler 1:12:31
I did say Gray. The
Misha 1:12:34
bowhead whale bowhead. I'm sorry, there's a fourth right whale. It's the pygmy right whale. All right. All right. effervescence.
Tyler 1:12:42
Well, doesn't sit right. No doesn't sit. Right. So that's zero. Right.
Misha 1:12:46
Okay. Essence. It's okay. It's good. I don't think so. Okay,
Tyler 1:12:53
does it maybe gets like for the, for the ocean? Maybe like one or two?
Misha 1:12:59
I mean, I would give it a million points, if that's just how we're categorizing for the ocean.
Tyler 1:13:09
It doesn't have them. Okay, so it doesn't have the magic of
Misha 1:13:15
cocoa. For example.
Tyler 1:13:17
It doesn't have the magic. What did we get bugs like for effervescence?
Misha 1:13:23
Give it a 00 Yeah,
Tyler 1:13:28
I would be closer to zero than a cocoa two. I'm fine with a zero. Or maybe a one maybe?
Misha 1:13:35
I'm trying to think of what would be effer actually, you know what, I think we should give her points because you're right about the ocean and not just because it's ocean based but the coral and the light at the beginning and I was just like, oh, I want to be there. That's effervescent for the coral, the coral reef, the reef is so beautiful.
Tyler 1:13:55
I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's got I'm fine with giving it a little bit of magic. Like beyond the the pieces. I just don't see. Magical points. Oh, yeah. thing.
Misha 1:14:13
Okay. All right. You ready for the total score? I'm ready. Okay, the total score for Finding Nemo out of a possible 110 points. Oh yeah. 59
Tyler 1:14:31
only a 59
Misha 1:14:33
not it's a lot lower than I thought. Yeah, well
Tyler 1:14:39
no villain no henchmen No. Strong Female Lead. No. bipoc Yeah, it's kind of catch up. Yeah. And also catch up and also the the movie didn't score any any tense.
Misha 1:14:54
That's true. Get anything super, super
Tyler 1:14:55
high. Now again, I think just like we talked about fan T shirt. 2000 parts of things were like, limitations of the era. But But yeah, I mean, it's just still not as magical or amazing as some other movies we've talked about. So I mean, right is that's in the top half?
Misha 1:15:17
I think. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Ha. There you have it, folks. It does seem weird. Let me make sure that I'm adding this up correctly. Sometimes
Tyler 1:15:33
you have a whoa at the end. Sometimes you have a sometimes you have a and that's kind of this one. Somewhere in the middle.
Misha 1:15:41
Yeah, that's correct. It's 59.
1:15:44
We've got some noise
Misha 1:15:46
coming out the good side.
Tyler 1:15:48
I'm quite interested about one never seen Finding Dory. One. Or to never seen Frankenweenie which is after that. Then we got frozen, which is a very, very popular movie. You shouldn't be slamming my microphone as I'm talking. Very popular movie that might be controversial. I don't know what your opinion about Frozen is. And then we've got like Fun and Fancy Free. Old One is that is that's an old one. Is it a movie? It is a movie? You've had this conversation? It's a
Misha 1:16:21
film. Yeah. It's an animated film. Okay,
Tyler 1:16:26
well, yeah, so we got a couple of like big hitters like frozen and frozen to was also quite big. And then we've got some Yeah, some interesting ones. Frankenweenie that's like, that's a is that a Tim Burton thing?
Misha 1:16:45
Yeah, I think so. Or it's okay. Yeah, I
Tyler 1:16:49
feel like I haven't seen that anyway. Yeah. Well, gang thanks so much for thank you so much for for listening, sticking with us through thick waters and thin waters, deep and shallow. If you want to leave us some if you want to leave us a review. Leave us a review. Say something nice about us. Leave us a rating whatever it says on your podcast listener device. Get in touch at [email protected] or
Misha 1:17:23
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Tyler 1:17:27
until next time. Have a have a merry happy day.
Misha 1:17:38
Bye everybody.