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Tyler 00:00
content warning. Although this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and may contain content some people find offensive
Misha 00:28
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing, a podcast where we discuss and write animated Disney films that sometimes have some non automated parts by accident, calling in alphabetical order following a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. Hi, Tyler. Hi, Misha.
Tyler 00:49
Oh, different approaches today. Interesting. For the arguably most innovative Disney movie we've got got an innovative intro. Interesting. Folks, we're talking about what are we? Yeah. Talking about 1940s Fantasia Disney Walt Disney's experiment in revolutionizing cinema.
Misha 01:19
Music Sound movies and other things
Tyler 01:24
Yeah, and we will be talking about welcome everybody pull up a chair. We are going to be talking about originality
Misha 01:32
pull up a wing back to a wing chair and that chair a glass of wine if you're in the fireplace Yeah, pull up a fireplace put on your robe and slippies
Tyler 01:48
Put on some slippies Turn up the central heating if that's what's going on in your building like mine. Which is very roasty toasty and cannot be turned down somehow. We will be we will be discussing originality story animation, music and sound protagonist sidekick just saying those for these movies is absurd villain henchmen strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun fact. And then any doesn't sit right we'll get negative points and any effervescence will get bonus points giving a total score of 110 As usual, this movie is not usual but it is not
Misha 02:34
unusual. And the movie itself is delightfully unusual. Yeah. And
Tyler 02:41
yeah, apparently didn't see the movie. It's a Disney really didn't see it as cinema or cartoon. He saw it as like this revolutionary like you said mix of like sound and, and and sights. And he wanted to do it like every five or 10 years. And oh, as I believe it's our old adversary. Leonard Maltin, who said in the for dumb for Dumbo. When we talked about him. He said something like it was a movie that nobody wanted. It didn't do very well. Actually,
Misha 03:16
that's not entirely true. Us to kowski to Toski for sure. Scelsi wanted composure. Yeah. And there were people who are a part of it, that were really interested in it. And maybe the public wasn't hankering for it. But
Tyler 03:36
it's just I mean, as a kid, I loved it. I don't remember. As a kid, it was my favorite. But like when I was in band from like, fifth grade to high school, I really loved it
Misha 03:48
when we were kids. Before that, my sister and I would play this game where we would watch it or mostly listen, and then point out what instruments we could hear at any given moments and it's really fun and beautiful. And we really enjoyed it. So I don't know I still like I still liked it. And will I know I I'm sure I love to spoil my thoughts and my feelings
Tyler 04:16
ice well we it for the exception of last week. I do too. So it's not it's not just us boiling. It's Monday. I mean, I liked it too. I definitely had more problems with it than I remember having it but I can see why it was not popular because it is very highbrow and it's like not really
Misha 04:36
there are parts where it is not high brow which I thought and we'll get into it but I thought I would not like those parts now as an adult and I still hate them. So
Tyler 04:47
I just think the idea of like classical music with no story is just
Misha 04:53
that very with my butler that would bring me Fantasia, the PA Jazz on a silver platter.
Tyler 05:03
Just kidding. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like as a kid who just grew up loving classical music and wasn't rich at all like it, it, it touched me. I felt it. And so in that way, it's not highbrow but yeah, but on the other hand, it's like it's not it wasn't made to appeal to the masses. I think Disney thought it would but Disney was a little bit shocked.
Misha 05:23
The Philadelphia Orchestra play classical music it that's what every year local American loves. Shout out to Philly.
Tyler 05:34
Yeah. So let's get into it. Let's get into it. Okay, original originality.
Misha 05:40
I would say I don't get to give a synopsis. Oh, yes. Sorry. I
Tyler 05:44
just, I'm sorry. I completely was skipping past it, because this movie does. So sorry. I'm so sorry. I
Misha 05:52
apologize. I just want to say for people who have not seen this movie before, let me just explain a little bit clearer. So there's an orchestra, the Philadelphia Orchestra, and they are playing different songs. And it's accompanied by different types of animated visuals. And it's us. I think it's what 1413 different segments in this series. So search 13 and a half, I would say, well, we're how are you? How are you counting? Okay,
Tyler 06:35
I'm interested, where are you counting the 13. And something.
Misha 06:37
I can run through them. Because I took them. I wrote numbers next to it. I wrote notes for each segment. And then there's different songs for each of them. And they each have different titles. Okay, let's go. Were you looking at seven?
Tyler 06:53
Well, there are the different ones that there's like a an MC Diems. Taylor, he was a composer and critic, he introduces the different segments, okay,
Misha 07:03
but he sometimes will introduce multiple before like, before we get into it, he will say, okay, upcoming here are like two or three, and then talk about each of them. And there's different songs. And there's very different animated styles that go with each of the segments or different vignettes. I'm splitting them up by the songs that are played. And then there's different. There's different animations, and different quote stories or imagery that goes with each of the songs. That's true,
Tyler 07:32
for example, that there's a part that's like the Nutcracker Suite, and there are different songs from The Nutcracker Suite with different animation for each one. Okay, so for me, I was putting Nutcracker Suite as one so
Misha 07:44
for you Nutcracker Suite is one I broke that down into different one. So it starts with the dance of the sugar, plum fairies. Then it goes into the Chinese dance, which we can talk about. And then dance of the read flutes, Arabian dance, Russian dance, Waltz of the flowers, like those are all separate ones, because there's different costumes. There's like, different animated things happening and a different song. Okay,
Tyler 08:09
I see what you mean. Yeah, I was I was like putting conflating the sweet all together. Because what is the Night on Bald Mountain and Ave Maria was putting into one because it's like one Yes.
Misha 08:20
Those is originally one but then I split it up into two because there's different things happening visually and sound on
Tyler 08:29
top of what you just said, like they're like 13 and a half things. It's the MC introduces like, the different ones that are like the bigger the bigger segments, let's say like,
Misha 08:43
seven Yeah, you said seven, right. I
Tyler 08:46
think it was six beginning. So there's like the the Takata and few by Bach, which we'll talk about with animation and stuff. And then there's the Nutcracker Suite, which is various parts of that. Then there's the Sorcerer's Apprentice, then there's the Rite of Spring by Stravinsky, intermission, a little thing where the MC deems Taylor talks to the soundtrack, which I remember liking as a kid. It's fine.
Misha 09:13
Oh, I don't know what speaking of demes Taylor, I don't know what version you watched. But when I've turned it on, I was like, why does he sound so different? And it's because it's a new voice actor dubbing over Diems Taylor. Yes. And so the version that's on Disney plus is different from the version that I remembered and grew up with on VHS. And it was weird. And I didn't. And there's actually a video on YouTube where they do first the Diems tailor version and
Tyler 09:46
then the new one. I don't know what I listened to if it was the new owner because I honestly did not remember him being in it so much. I remember I remember him in the writing like introducing the orchestra me to remember him into talking to the soundtrack.
Misha 10:01
But, but I didn't remember that he introduced all of the parts. I thought it just flowed. And then the other thing I didn't remember was the guy knocking over the Yeah, I didn't hate that either.
Tyler 10:13
Yeah, what the fuck was knocking over the wind chimes? Yeah, sir. And was that was that accidental? Or was that a bit that they were doing?
Misha 10:21
I have no idea. I do not remember that at all. They could have just ignored, cut, honestly, and I would have been happy just watching the animation or
Tyler 10:33
they could have just had the beginning where like, stick kowski in the orchestra are introduced and then it goes into the trade abstract. Yeah, it was really like, we'll get into it, but we really didn't need what deems Taylor introduces like, when like, it's just absolutely stupid. But oh,
Misha 10:49
yeah. About the dinosaurs. Yeah, right. That's right, though. Like he explained. One minute life.
Tyler 10:56
I can explain science to you people. Like so. Okay, here it is. The world starts out as a little organisms doesn't see like little green things, little white things. You get what I'm saying? And then, yeah, but it's also funny, because in the 1940s, this movie was banned in certain places for putting forward science evolution, which is just yeah, you know, classic. Yeah, I didn't remember that stuff at all. But anyway, yeah, like so they're different segments. And they're introduced and yada yada, yada, and we can get into them. And I think it'll just be easier folks, if we like get into it as we're talking about, like animation and music. Because it's not like a story that yeah, that Misha can like expertly summarize. Really. So there's no story really?
Misha 11:43
No timeout timeout. You just said it's not a story that Misha can expertly summarize, it's not a story and so no one can summarize. I
Tyler 11:55
apologize. I didn't mean it as if like it was above your ability. I meant it's not existent. Yeah, that's that's what I meant.
Misha 12:01
Thank you. I accept your apology. Apologize coming from having your
Tyler 12:06
cut off anyway. Okay.
Misha 12:10
Your job is done.
Tyler 12:12
originality, first step off, first step. First of all, first off, something's wrong there. I both step. Christoph. Christoph originality. As far as I know, I didn't actually do my due diligence in this category of as far as I know, this is due diligence. Due Diligence. It's I don't think this is based on anything except for like the Inspiron, okay, SPIRATION they get from?
Misha 12:44
Yeah, so the history of this is that the sorcerer's apprentice was supposed to be just a short animation. And that was the only thing they were going to do. And that is based off of a very old story. But because they created a new sound system for it, because of like, the whole what this whole movie is, right, sort of showing sound through animation. Their expenses were through the roof, because they created what was the precursor to surround sound for this animated short, and so that it by itself is not original at all. Okay, they basically just took an old story, and then plopped in Mickey, okay, as the apprentice. But then as the expenses started to rack up, they're like, ooh, we're not going to make back the money. Let's that now make Fantasia a series of animated shorts that are unrelated, but just to showcase this new thing we've come up with. Yeah,
Tyler 13:59
I did read that. I also read conflicting reports that that isn't how Fantasia was born. But you're right about the I think your version I've read that multiple version is the the most agreed upon. There's one book which I'm going to bring up later because there's a couple of choice segments in it. But there's one book where he's like, that isn't how Fantasia was yes, that's that story was from somewhere else. But that's not the it wasn't like a Mickey vehicle that then became Fantasia it there were many steps in between, but I think that guy, he doesn't prove his points very well. So I think you're probably right. It seems like it seems like what you said is like the consensus. Yeah. So. So yeah, it shouldn't be like a perfect 10
Misha 14:43
I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's taking away necessarily for well actually think the Sorcerer's Apprentice does take a course. Yeah, that part is if that's your if that's your driving story, right if that's what's like launching the whole thing, but at the same time, like the whole idea of Fantasia
Tyler 14:59
Yeah, and it's not it's pretty dang rigid. I honestly don't think by the time we, what we end up seeing the sorcerer's apprentice is not the focus of the whole thing. It's one it's many. Yes, it's Mickey right? Recreating the Gurkha poem, but or ballads or whatever, but Right? It's
Misha 15:16
one of seven or one of them. I guess technically seven. It's like a seventh of them. So,
Tyler 15:21
yeah, okay, but I agree that that should chop it down. It shouldn't be a 10. But I do think also it should the, the be high up there because the quote unquote balls of this production Yeah, are massive and dangling, and weighty. Oh, jingle jangle friendship.
Misha 15:42
Over.
Tyler 15:44
What do you think about like an eight? Should we take two points off? Yeah, that's for the I
Misha 15:48
think I think it should be an eight also, because the I mean, I know this gets into music. But the some of the music isn't all original. Like if you just take in sort of the originality of the whole thing is one true church. Yeah. Right. Like, yeah, and like the dancing that they do that the character some of the dancing that the characters do. Night on, Bob. Oh, no, not that one. Yeah, Night on Bald Mountain. No, not night, the Pastoral Symphony. With the centers and center rats in the Greek party, and zoos. You know, there's like a lot of elements of this that are not original, right.
Tyler 16:27
Yeah. I mean, that's inspired by myth. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Yeah.
Misha 16:33
That's what I'm saying. Right. So like, if it because the only way to look at this is to sort of chop it up, like look at all of the different segments, and then basically add them up and what that equals,
Tyler 16:43
yeah, okay, so I mean, do you think we should cut down even more points for like,
Misha 16:48
I think, I think it's hard, right? Because like the idea of doing this is high. But then what is the end product? Yeah,
Tyler 16:58
but I don't know if like, I mean, we didn't we didn't take points for Cocoa for like, having Dave the dead in it. Or in Konto for like being magical. Right. Let's
Misha 17:08
go back. Let's keep it in. Yeah, I
Tyler 17:10
don't know. I mean, like, the thing is, like, they're not taking a Greco Roman story. They're just like, they have characters from Greco Roman mythology. And they're just basically like, trying to fuck each other, but the camera keeps getting in the way basically.
Misha 17:24
Okay, okay. But
Tyler 17:25
but you're right like the Night on Bald Mountain like the the Walpurgis night like which which is Sabbath is like, there's nothing new there. But the way they did it is innovative. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think an eighth seems more fair, but I'm willing to go down to a seven if you really want to know I think an eight is fine. Okay. All right. Let's go with an eight because it's gonna get it's gonna get some shit scores coming up. So yeah, yeah. Okay, so speaking of shit scores story. There is there is no story like some of the vignettes have like a narrative, but so it shouldn't get a one I think, but it shouldn't be higher, like that much higher. Yeah,
Misha 18:06
I think a two is fine. I don't even know honestly, I think a two is generous. It's
Tyler 18:12
think two is generous.
18:13
I do two is generous. But
Tyler 18:15
is it too generous?
Misha 18:17
Yes. That's why it's too generous. too. Nice, too generous.
Tyler 18:24
So back to one than you think.
Misha 18:25
I think it should be a one. All right.
Tyler 18:28
I'm fine with that. Because like as a whole, it's not a story. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And the ones that do have a narrative like the Mickey is a sorcerer's apprentice, and he steals that messes with things. That's I mean, that's the stories are all pretty flimsy. Like when there is a story But
Misha 18:44
kids are not long. The longest ones are 20 minutes actually fit in a story and 20 minutes doesn't matter. Okay. I mean, fucking duck. It's coming up just a couple of strong
Tyler 18:56
sources. Apprentices, a third of a dog so let's and it's way better. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah, one for story animation. Let's get into like the meat. All right, baby here. Yeah. Gorgeous. Mostly gorgeous. Oh, yeah, I have some,
Misha 19:13
you know what you don't like? Well,
Tyler 19:15
I mean, I remember as a kid loving it all. And I still loved most of it. It's again, like we talked about Alice in Wonderland. And with Bambi. It's like, the animators are just really showing off and like flexing their muscles. thing.
Misha 19:28
Like there's two things that why this movie is exists and why it's good and it's animation and music.
Tyler 19:36
But I do upon watching it again like twice or like one and a half times. I do I don't think it's like Bambi level or coco level because, like there's some parts I just really didn't like, like the centaurs look really bad. I think they're like a real world. They were eventually going to freestyle and it went through many different it was like committed to death I think because originally the idea was the centaurs were going to be like Mediterranean like Greek looking or Greco Roman and like muscular and stuff but then like it was decided they were too scary or a sexual thing. And the center rats as deems calls them, the girlfriend's the center heads, were going to be like boobed out with nips and everything and right, they chickened out of that and they made them into
Misha 20:32
what this book preview Besant centers Yeah,
Tyler 20:35
and this book, this book that I, that I have referred to once already, it's filled with it's in one on one hand, it's good because it's filled with like sketches and development. by a guy named John Cole hain, it's just called like Disney's Fantasia, it came out in 1940. And then it was released in 1983. It's interesting, I've rented it from like an online library, or what do you call it borrowed? It's filled with like, the development sketches and development stories and a lot of quotes from Disney. So which is really cool, but it also shows like some of the places where it could have been it ended up getting weaker than it could
Misha 21:11
have. So, but here's my thing, the execution of what they decided on was still good.
Tyler 21:18
I do think the center's look look awkward before I even like looked up this book. Okay. And also I but the reason I brought it up is the book calls them Lolita center. It's like, just gross. But yeah, you're right. Like, prepubescent, um, but yeah, overall, I think it's, it's wonderful. Another thing this is a positive but also a negative in the Nutcracker sweet time. When they go to the Arabian dance. It's all like fish doing sultry swimming, and the animation side it's amazing because they do this like translucent. I love it.
Misha 22:01
That was one of my favorite parts as a child and continues to be one of my favorite parts today. The transparency translucent Yeah, of their fins. Good. So
Tyler 22:09
beautiful. They've managed to capture this like diaphanous quality that is just amazing. Upon rewatching it though I did maybe we can talk about this with like, doesn't sit right or something. But I did find those parts to be cringy er than I recalled as why? Well, the little cringy little mushrooms and the Chinese dance are made to look
Misha 22:31
okay, so to me, those are separate things. And this is your separate so that was one thing. Dance with the fish is one thing. So
Tyler 22:38
here's an Arabian dances made to look like and this is this is purposefully made to look like sultry, like sexy women from a haram like a harem. Yeah. And I find that to be a little like a little bit right. Yeah, so maybe that's it doesn't sit right because the animations
Misha 22:59
I think there are some doesn't sit right parts in this right. So there are definitely some doesn't sit right. Or parts to this movie. But as far as animation goes, I think the fish are gorgeous.
Tyler 23:13
I agree with that. Yeah, it just popped up so I wanted to say it but we can save I can save my full comment for the later.
Misha 23:19
Okay, speaking of Nutcracker, I think in the dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy and fairies are beautiful. Yeah, sparkling is very wet when they like glitter over. The spiderweb is one of the most beautiful things ever and I will get when we talk about effervescence you know that's like the sparkle Enos of all of these different segments right Waltz of the flowers with the fair the ice the winter fairies, gliding around putting ice sparkles all over everything. Yeah, I mean, there's just so much. There's so many beautiful parts to this. And you know, I my notes are broken down by each of the 13 segments 13 and a half segments. Steve had comments about the Russian dance. Naturally, Russian thistle does not look like the thistle they portrayed. Russian thistle is a tumbleweed it's a prairie weed. And so they don't look like what we saw. But they did get but they did get clematis seeds. Correct. And I don't know what that is what is so clematis is a flowering vine. That is so beautiful. We have it in our yard in our garden. And the seeds look like little pinwheels. They got those right and they're very pretty seeds. Anyway, that was really lovely.
Tyler 24:42
Yeah, yeah, though. That whole Yeah, that whole suite of animation is really really beautiful. Do you want to go like piece by piece second.
Misha 24:53
John.
Tyler 24:54
You're not doing this. Okay. can keep going. I'm
Misha 24:56
done with this one. But yeah, segment by segment. That's what I think for animation and music, maybe not all of it, but like the things that stuck out. I don't know, you didn't you didn't take detailed notes.
Tyler 25:08
I mean, I, I know the parts that I like and I, I mean, we can go segment by segment, but I don't have something to that I necessarily want to bring up in every segment. Okay, but that doesn't mean we can. Um,
Misha 25:21
did you notice in the Waltz of the flowers with the autumn fairies and the winter fairies, that at the end, the winter fairies are gliding on snowflakes, and the snowflakes look like? They're CG almost a little weird that they're like three dimensionally moving how they do it?
Tyler 25:39
I have no idea. There were a couple of things like that in. In the whole movie where it's like i i to jump ahead for a second if I can, in the Night on Bald Mountain when the ghosts and ghouls are like, rise. Yeah, it looks like I don't know what the process is called. But it looks like a photographic image. Like transplanted on top of like a animated, right,
Misha 26:02
like, where they're physically wiggly. Yeah, it was wildly awesome. Yeah. That's what like the snowflake like, I don't know how, how they did that. It's like, looked really cool, because you don't expect that kind of animation. And it feels like, there were so many parts where it felt ahead of its time. Oh, for sure.
Tyler 26:22
Yeah. And this is even like before, for example, Bambi. So this is like, one, like really, really pushing the pushing the envelope for sure. So
Misha 26:32
some of the segments that I thought I wouldn't like, were the ones that were more like, cartoony and for kids. So Sorcerer's Apprentice dance of the hours with the hippos and the crocodiles. I thought he wouldn't like them. And I really did like yeah, they were still animated very well. And the music was lovely. And even though they were kind of childish compared to the rest, I still really enjoyed it. So they didn't like even though they're different styles and it's not like you know, as our I don't want to say as artistic because it is art not like the other segments they were still done very well.
Tyler 27:12
Yeah, exactly. It's like even the things that we maybe take for granted and don't you know, don't even realize are just expertly done, like, the movement of the brooms. Like the movement of the water in that scene where the water is like overflowing and every little every barrel in and every barrel like dumping up the barrel, like all of that is just gorgeous, like just absolutely beautiful. Like and
Misha 27:38
like the use of color for like, not alive to alive and that kind of thing. Just Yeah, beautiful.
Tyler 27:45
Yes, just like the capture movement really, really well. And I would say for the same thing with it for the for the dance of the hours with them with the hippos and the ostriches in the in the crocs, dancing. It's all like the movement is so delightful. And
Misha 27:59
yeah, and feels very real, like the weight of hippos, the weight of the elephants the like, light, how the crocodiles are kind of light on their feet. Like, all of that feels like it's using real physics as opposed to just bullshit that doesn't
Tyler 28:15
mean anything. That's something that apparently just from like, watching YouTube videos of like, effects artist talking about effects and things, getting physics, like getting like, weight correctly, and like weight distribution is is something that people fuck up a lot. It's like a fundamental thing that is taught in art schools, but it's like, easily fuckable basically, so it's right
Misha 28:37
definitely, to have like, big heavy hippos wearing tutus where the two twos are transparent and light and airy. Yeah, on like a big heavy hippo and a crocodile. Yeah, hippo. Like, I played
Tyler 28:53
with it. Like the when the elephants like fly away in the wind, but the hip but the hippo princess or matriarch like stays and like they just, yeah, they have physics so realistic looking. But then they like, flip it and mess with it too at the same time. Very cool. Yeah.
Misha 29:11
Speaking of the crocodiles and hippos story, I love how you think that Greg dials are there to eat them. But it's just romantic.
Tyler 29:22
To see the dance is like
Misha 29:24
what is my favorite thing? Yeah, just like see them hungry but not for meal hunger for love and then like the tension Yeah, just that was so delightful. The
Tyler 29:38
I forget his name now but the the main crocodile it's like Duke something something I didn't know anybody had a name? Except for MC delegates like hyacinth hippo met.
Misha 29:50
His name is Ben Alligator.
Tyler 29:52
Alligator Thank you. Okay, I don't know why I got to do what his entrance is fucking hilarious. He Like he comes like marching around the corner like this cartoon walk that nobody really does but it's just so funny I love Yeah. Anything else? Like, obviously you have more like animation things but do we want to jump back anything else in the Nutcracker Suite or Sorcerer's Apprentice before moving on to Rite of Spring?
Misha 30:21
No, let's talk about Rite of Spring All right,
Tyler 30:24
all the way from the little little organisms that that we have so expertly told us was evolution, science everything but I mean, it's like the building blocks of life in the in the ocean, but it starts before that with like, a fiery planet being framed. All too Stravinsky's like I mean, we'll get to the music but to the expert piece of music but um yeah, and then like all to the dinosaurs. They were originally going to do like humans and like the discovery didn't
Misha 31:00
fall. Yeah. We talked about we they have mixed time periods. Yeah, yes. I was
Tyler 31:15
just gonna say I talked about this dinosaur
Misha 31:17
but I hate it. I hate it. So for those of you who aren't as interested in dinosaurs, as Tyler and I, they have a lot of dinosaurs from very different time periods. So the most classic example is where you have a Stegosaurus and a T Rex going head to head yeah, we are chronologically closer to T rexes than T rex is our to Stegosaurus is so Stegosaurus is or the Late Jurassic period. And T rexes and Triceratops are from the Cretaceous period, which is much closer to now.
Tyler 31:56
And then Cyrix didn't even wasn't even corrected had three fingers instead of two. Just which leads Tyler young Tyler to go actually maybe it's an Allosaurus which was just the dress but just young
Misha 32:07
Tyler not current. Just
Tyler 32:09
young Tyler Yeah, that was young Tyler. Like that was an audio clip I just played. That's what it sounded like. Sorry. That's what I do sound like presidents back then. Like that's me. So yeah, as a kid, I was like, that's an Allosaurus and trying to like justify three fingers. You know, I was doing a T Rex, like so.
Misha 32:28
So I was just like, Okay, there's a lot of things here. I stopped I was just like, Okay, I could I could spend all day just writing all these down that I stopped because I was like, like
Tyler 32:41
Disney. Get your fucking act together. Come on. It's like seriously? Yeah,
Misha 32:46
we knew this shit in 1940. Yeah. But about the animation. It was
Tyler 32:54
beautiful. Very beautiful. Yeah.
Misha 32:57
So Howard, I hope so. The whole point of this movie is music and sound together. And it was so good in this segment. Yeah. Just the volcanoes the lava like that part was actually one of my favorites. Yeah. Of The Rite of Spring. Just beautiful, beautiful animation and then when they go back to water right so we start off underwater then we go to land then we go back to water. And did you notice I paid very close attention to the jellyfish they were drawn like color like color pencil sketches, right just outlines to make them transparent but it's like so simple and so effective. And I really loved it because he almost glowed Yeah, I don't know. I took a picture I'll share it Yeah, it's
Tyler 33:52
good either you caught it like that and also like with the jumping ahead again to the Night on Bald Mountain some when they show some of the ghosts and ghouls it's it looks like they use like chalk or like white pencil Yes. And just it's just like to like make them look more a theory really and not fully formed enemy things
Misha 34:12
simply and they'll say they're still effective it's sort of like what are effervescence is right it's more than the sum of its parts it like add something to it by not adding more Yeah,
Tyler 34:23
yeah, exactly. What else in the Rite of Spring I like to like the candidate seems like so basic but like the the stegosaurus like swapping the T rex with its tail like the physics of that looked really interesting.
Misha 34:36
Look at this look at this video. to I don't know what kind of dinosaur This is. You might I sent it to you in WhatsApp. I love this little dinosaur and I want it as a pet.
Tyler 34:49
Oh, I think I know exactly which one you're talking to. The little guy who keeps trying to steal people's eggs. Yeah,
Misha 34:56
yes.
34:58
I do.
Tyler 34:59
I when I was a kid, I knew what that was, but I don't remember anymore. Okay, but yeah, he's and also he it looks like he's trying to steal eggs but then he clearly just pulls a rock out of that hole. Like it's not
Misha 35:14
nomnom eating this little just like waddling away the like such a cute little addition. I just, yeah,
Tyler 35:23
it's like it's just so entertaining, entertaining. It's like so full of like, for a for a segment that's about like, evolution on Earth and development and change biologically. And like geologically, it does such a great job of like, succinctly doing that, even though it's like 20 something minutes long, like and, and kind of off. Yeah, but it's just like so. So elegant. So beautiful. Yeah, yes. And when Yeah, apparently wouldn't Disney heard the Rite of Spring he was like, this has to be prehistoric. Like he was so excited when he because he was originally thinking of using the Firebird Suite by Stravinsky for something. Oh, yeah. changed his mind. I'm
Misha 36:04
so glad they did because this is so this is things like the choices of song with what the animation is or they're just all perfectly matched.
36:16
Yeah, exactly.
Tyler 36:19
We could talk about animation all night, but we got to keep this moving. So let's just get some more like highlights. I already talked about like my my low light were but there weren't many. I think that just the center's kind of threw me off and I thought they were a bit clumsy. But any, like highlights from the Pastoral Symphony?
Misha 36:39
Do have highlights from that. Okay, the unicorn babies are really really
Tyler 36:44
cute. Especially the unicorn donkey one Hypnose not hypnosis sorry hypnosis on Morpheus covering the sky with darkness Zeus throwing lightning bolts out of the sky and oh my god, there's such a classic Zeus to fucking talk is such I really everyone was so scared. The MC didn't give the introduction of this one because the MC naming the gods is what fucked everything up because half of them half of them had nicknames half of them had their most of them had the Roman names. And it was really that also was a little pet peeve when you say like Vulcan but then you say Zeus you say Bacchus and yes and then Diana, but but it's still like beautiful, like other Pegasus SCI fly with their little baby pig aside and the unicorn babies.
Misha 37:37
Oh my gosh, the little black Pegasus that like keep up with
Tyler 37:42
the little the little Cupid's flying around doing the makeup and costuming of the Centaur. It's really cute I think yeah, it's a lot of great great animation the storm like just Zeus fucking Shut up. The crashing of the the wine barrel creating like a flood of wine was really cool.
Misha 38:03
Oh yeah. And then the after the storm stopped and there were puddles and the rainbow reflecting into it and all the little Pegasus babies splashing around in the rainbow puddles. So cute. We
Tyler 38:16
even had like a pretty classic Disney looking Bacchus the god of wine looking like, like the queen of fucking hearts. I just said that we're Yeah, that Bozo. Bozo Disney cartoon look is made it and
Misha 38:31
and the zebra Centaur ants who were unfortunately like serving Him but like, yeah, very racist, but they were
Tyler 38:38
looking they did cut out the more racist thing, but they kept that in. Yes. They're like, Okay, fine. We'll take out the
Misha 38:45
sexist and racist is is okay. Yeah, it's
Tyler 38:48
like sexist was racist, cool, but just overtly racist to the point where people complain about it. Fine. We'll take it out. Whatever you royal sports.
38:57
Yeah.
Misha 39:01
I love that he's writing. I called it a Yuna. conky. Donkey. Yeah. It was really cute.
Tyler 39:12
I really liked it. Like when Zeus just gets bored of being an asshole. He just like kicks or throws a couple extra bolts and you and you just
Misha 39:18
yeah, he's like, asleep. And he finds on under his bum. And he's like, Oh, that's I can just
Tyler 39:23
see the flash, like off camera or out of frame is really great.
Misha 39:30
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I
Tyler 39:31
mean, like I said, we could talk about animation for four days. Because everything is just great. Well, most things were great, I think. Yeah. And perhaps my favorite Night on Bald Mountain.
Misha 39:47
I was gonna Okay, I forgot to do this. I was going to try to guess your favorite and have you guessed my favorite and I
Tyler 39:53
would have guessed to your favorite would be the pastoral one, actually, but yeah, because of the animals and like and They're all great characters. What would you have guessed mine was?
Misha 40:06
I thought yours would be a Rite of Spring Dinah's as a kid. I
Tyler 40:11
think it was Rite of Spring. No, mine's
Misha 40:13
always been Night on Bald Mountain. I'm a creep through and through just like Tom you.
Tyler 40:19
Boy, nice one. Thank you for sharing. The bog is menacing and cool when his shadow covers the village. It's so fun.
Misha 40:29
It's so fucking cool. To end with Nate on Bald Mountain is the coolest thing. Well,
Tyler 40:37
technically, it doesn't end with that involvement it ends with
Misha 40:40
according to you, it does and your stupid way of counting. It's
Tyler 40:44
not what I said. Yes, it is. You
Misha 40:46
said it's introduced blah, blah, blah, seven segments, yada, yada, yada.
Tyler 40:51
It's 99 of all mountain into memory it ends with it ends with well, the Night on Bald Mountain ends with a with a optimistic All right, ending, like the end of the actual
Misha 41:01
time for church. I'll ghoulies equip these guy goes.
Tyler 41:05
Yeah, and then they just add to that by adding the Ave Maria on on as well, which is beautiful and calming. I was gonna say something about music, but that's coming up. But um yeah, I mean, no, maybe we should just kind of score this and move on to music because we're gonna be here forever. The animation is and along with the music is the high point for sure.
Misha 41:29
I think you should get a nine. I know you have problems. I would have given it a 10. I don't think
Tyler 41:33
it's a tablet. That's close to a 10. Yeah.
Misha 41:37
Yeah. Okay, I'll tell you what I didn't like the first segment is my least favorite of all of them.
Tyler 41:42
Yeah, and it's a bit. It's a bit long. And it's just not in
Misha 41:46
fugue is my least favorite animation. Yeah. I
Tyler 41:50
agree. That's not the best. I also just really quick shout out the soundtrack part is it's pretty basic animation wise, but I liked it. I still liked it. How they show like they showed the sound waves?
Misha 42:02
Motion. Yeah, it was my favorite part. Yeah, I really liked that.
Tyler 42:06
My favorite is the bassoon because it sounds like a big, deep fart. So Oh, drop the shoe. Why don't you? Yeah, so we just didn't need that MC awful.
Misha 42:21
Well, I'm telling you, he was better in the original. Yeah,
Tyler 42:26
I have no idea which one because I didn't watch it through Disney. Plus, I don't know which one I watch off to investigate and see. Okay, I didn't notice that. Like mouths weren't lining up. But that happens a lot with old timey movies anyway, so
Misha 42:37
I noticed that but that's because I was like, this guy sounds like a different person. Yeah. And then, so.
42:44
Yeah,
Tyler 42:45
I mean, I just think like, it's just not a it's not as it is close to perfect, but it's just not like, all right. Ambi. Nine. Yeah. And I think like in like that, just because I'm, I mean, I really love the animation, but I just don't think it's like a perfect 10 out of 10.
Misha 43:04
Yeah, that's fine. However,
Tyler 43:07
music and sound music
Misha 43:10
I think is a 10 out of 10 It's
Tyler 43:11
a 10 out of 10. It's Stravinsky. Yes, Beethoven. It's Bach. It's it's Czajkowski. It's I mean, if you don't like classical music, fine, but
Misha 43:23
But it's, it's flawless. It's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. And it just while it's not just oh, I'm gonna sit and listen to classical music. Like I've said before, it's like, watching it come to life. Yeah, it's not an animated movie. It's sound animated. It's music animated. Yeah. And it's beautiful.
Tyler 43:46
They did a very good job of pairing. With the exception of like, the racist parts. They did a good job of pairing music to image like the Rite of Spring as a sort of, like, primordial birth of Earth type song is amazing. Cuz that's not what it was, was originally and the way they used it as that right is so wonderful.
Misha 44:11
Right? Yeah,
Tyler 44:12
I mean, I What can you say about classical music? Like, what do you say about that? Nutcracker Suite that hasn't. And
Misha 44:17
these particular songs are all stellar. classical songs. Yes.
Tyler 44:24
One thing I will, which I learned, yeah, sorry, I cut you off. No, no, go ahead. The arrangement of nitinol Mountain was not the original arrangement that stick kowski arranged it. So the nylon belt mounts that most people are familiar with from this movie is not the original is not Mazhar skis version because Mazursky never got to release his version, as his mentor refused to perform it. So then renamed after Mussorgsky's death RIMSKY KORSAKOV released it but changed some things. So that version is really kind of like rimsky-korsakov. So apparently so then, and this one's to cast He arranged it how he thought Mazursky would have done it, which is interesting and that it now we have, like, if you look up like Leonard Bernstein doing that involve knots and that sort of thing. That's what I think that's the original Mazursky tone poem, but yeah, it was in fact I found that out recently I didn't know that like the Night on Bald Mountain wasn't the Yeah, there was a risky Neither did I. So that's cool. Learn something new every day. What other music stuff when I was a kid that I didn't like? I mean, I liked it still, but like it's a slightly it's, you know, in this context of this movie, I didn't like it as much. I didn't like the song sort of sore for Sorcerer's Apprentice as much as some of the other ones. And maybe that's just because I was like being a snooty kid. It was like, classical music is better than recent classical music and sorcerer's apprentice was right more recent, but I don't know. I still liked it. I thought it was good. And it fits perfectly with a speaking of source apprentice, which we forgot to say with animation. Gene. Did you notice what the character with the sorcerer's name was?
Misha 46:06
No,
Tyler 46:06
apparently his name is. Yen Sid. Two words, like yen. And then space Cid, which is Disney backwards.
Misha 46:18
Oh, that's stupid. Yeah.
Tyler 46:20
Which it makes it it tries to make it look like some sort of like, I don't know, like, Eastern European or Eastern Asian or Middle Eastern like magical, mystical alchemical name, but it's just Disney backwards.
Misha 46:34
Yeah, okay, I'm gonna read this [email protected] Yen said is a teacher of Weird Science at Dragon Hall on the Isle of the Lost. Wow. He went there on a king beasts request to teach the villain kids. He's the founder of the anti Heroes Club. I don't know what that's where is that coming from?
Tyler 46:58
Yeah,
Misha 46:59
I have no idea. I'm speaking of Sorcerer's Apprentice. What?
Tyler 47:05
Did you see the 2010 movie Sorcerer's Apprentice starring Nicolas Cage?
47:10
That's based on
Misha 47:13
apparently, it's based on this
Tyler 47:15
according to my research. It's it's a Disney film based on the sorcerer's apprentice. Story.
Misha 47:23
It's you're telling me Nicolas Cage's Yen said he
Tyler 47:27
plays a character named balfa Tsar Blake. So that's not based on No, it's based on yets he is the Yen Sid character but they changed like everything. But there is a part of the movie apparently that is like a direct directly related to the Fantasia.
Misha 47:44
Oh, God.
Tyler 47:47
This is awful. But anyway, before we watch Fantasia 2000 We should watch Sorcerer's Apprentice so we can talk about it. We don't need to talk
Misha 47:54
about you can cast but I will. Oh, thanks. Okay. Yeah, I know you. I
Tyler 47:58
mean, I do the extra research. I watched the newer a ladder. It hurt me. Yeah. And it hurt me hard. So
48:08
yeah, what else? All right.
Tyler 48:10
I can't think of anything else to say about music. They shouldn't have had that guy like, knocked down the wind chimes for some stupid reason. 10 out of 10 from music. Yeah. And now we have a whole bunch of categories that I don't know what to do, or non existent. So what do we do about this? I guess what we should have done is like what we did in a previous movie where we like blazed through the ones that weren't important and then just really focus. Yeah, we kind of did it backwards, but that's okay. protagonists. No protagonist, unless you want to call the MC
Misha 48:41
absolute he'd still get a one sidekick None None. Villain one
Tyler 48:47
nine unless we want to try to give Cheran about because Chernabog is now like, he's not the villain of the movie. No, he's
Misha 48:53
like, he's like, Oh, he's now considered Yeah, he's
Tyler 48:56
a Disney villain now you know, but I love him. No, I love him too. But
48:59
does he get it so cruel?
Tyler 49:02
But do we get any points he would know he would revel in being called a villain I think he
Misha 49:07
know you don't know You don't
Tyler 49:09
know him like I do.
Misha 49:12
He just know I don't want
Tyler 49:15
to choose a demo is conflated with Satan in this by the MC Yeah,
Misha 49:19
that's not okay. God Yeah, bad feet. Right. It's an accident. You didn't choose to be the God of bad fate. He was born that way baby. He was born that way.
Tyler 49:33
You just they just conflate him with like the witches Sabbath. Yeah. Did you ever read American Gods by the way? Sorry. tanjun Chernabog is in it and he's very very good in it.
Misha 49:43
But wait, do you mean like good like lawful? Good.
Tyler 49:46
No good. Like he's a good character. He's not lawful good. henchmen one as well, right? Oh, yeah. Strong Female Lead. There's no one bipoc representation. So that's portrayal one, one
Misha 49:59
and So we're flying through this. Okay, fun factor. Fun
Tyler 50:05
Factor. This one is fun. I think this movie is more fun and conto more fun than Dumbo. But is it but is our fun? I think well how do you feel? What kind of help? Do you think this movie is?
Misha 50:18
I don't think it's that fun. I think it's beautiful and calm and enjoyable but not fun. Yeah. I think their hearts
Tyler 50:30
Yeah, like the whole story. The I mean, the song of the hours is quite fun. And the I forget the official name. Yeah, get some dance of the hours. Sorry. Okay. Yep, yep. That's fun. sorcerer's apprentice is not as fun as I remembered it being Yeah, you're right. It's not fun. I do think it's more fun than I'd gone toe
Misha 50:52
by.
Tyler 50:55
Toe know I'm way in the minority on that one. I'm better.
Misha 50:57
I disagree. I disagree. You know what I said to Steve, I was like, This is so pleasant. I'm so cute. I was like, had a glass of wine. I was like, Ooh, this is a good sleepy time movie. Yeah, it like it like Yeah, even the fun parts are just like more like. Yeah,
Tyler 51:18
it's fun. It's not the right word. You're right. It's fun is not the right word. It's like it's an amazing experience. But fun is perhaps not the right word.
51:28
Is it less fun than Dumbo?
Misha 51:34
Dumbo is so not fun. I think we scored too high for Dumbo. It's more fun than Dumbo. Dumbo was traumatic.
Tyler 51:43
I thought Dumbo was absolutely not fun. I don't remember why we gave it a three I don't
Misha 51:48
either. I think it should have gotten a fucking one it's trauma. Why did simple get a three I feel
Tyler 51:56
tapping for the pink elephants I think is the only reason pink elephants on parade so
Misha 52:01
the beginning beginning the stork and the map and Casey Jr. Yeah, that whole big. Okay, so that got two extra points. Yeah. And the storks are the crows are fun. Okay. This is more fun than Dumbo. I think it should. Fuck. And Kontos more fun.
Tyler 52:21
Habit. This will give it a three but it's like a three. That's better than Dumbo Dumbo
Misha 52:25
because it's not as fun as in conto. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 52:29
And Dumbo is not fun. It just gets some points for like fun part actually
Misha 52:33
think that's that this works. I know. We're like confused. But I think this works. Because across the board this is just not like the point of this isn't to be fun sprinkled with some fun. And that's how Dumbo is but Dumbo is traumatic, but not fun. This is not traumatic. It's just beautiful, but not fun. Yeah. They're not fun for different reasons. Yes. Agreed. Okay, but then have a little bit of fun sprinkled in.
Tyler 52:58
Okay, so doesn't sit right. Minus points.
Misha 53:02
There's some yes, there's a couple. Yeah, there's some parts that don't sit right. There's one
Tyler 53:07
thing to read. Yeah, the center. It's they took one I don't think if they took it. I mean, we shouldn't I'm not gonna I'm not gonna add that. I just I just wanted to mention it because I looked it up on YouTube because I'd never seen it before. Yeah, they should have taken it out. It was bad. I gotta look bad. It was like those old timey cartoons you see when they like portray African natives like when like, oh, like it was bad. But I'm not including that. But they do have these zebra center rats that are still like servants and dark skinned.
Misha 53:40
Oh, yeah, they're black ladies. Yeah, for sure. I mean, lady sent her Ed's and
Tyler 53:46
if I could we have the chinese mushrooms that have like little cues and like clearly supposed to be
Misha 53:50
like, my only notes for that mushrooms dancing dot dot dot racist,
Tyler 53:56
racist mushrooms, sexualized racialized fish. Now if I may, can I please read something from this book?
Misha 54:04
Okay, I know that you are saying those fish are sexualized. But I as a child did not see that but I didn't quite see it as a child either. As an adult I didn't see that. I did not see that. And you read that separately. It is one I know read. It's gonna be based off of a harem. But to me they were just beautifully swim dancing.
Tyler 54:27
Yeah, but it's an I like I read it after the fact like I was watching it and I was like this music in combination with the movement of the fish. I was like, they're they're going that's just
Misha 54:38
beautiful moving. They're not doing I think you're extrapolating too much on the face. Maybe
Tyler 54:42
I'm extrapolating. But let me read you some of the things that Walt Disney said about somebody else's Walt Disney said about this. There should be so he said
Misha 54:53
all right, that even that one picture with the eye like like you got like it's a little So, in Thai Yeah,
Tyler 55:01
I mean, I I'm just saying I know you can read it I don't want to be like to. I think it is a bit cringy and I'll just read this little bit. Arab dance is an underwater ballet before Michael says Walt knew exactly what he wanted here, quote, there should be a regular festival a ballet fish. Also that slow Arabian music all the undergrowth has a slow wavy rhythm to the slow beats. Now it's not Walt Disney's fault that it's called, like, Arab dance that's Tchaikovsky, but that's late 1800s Where you blah, blah, blah. You've seen travelogues where they take you into a harem as you go through the courtyard veiled ladies peek through the windows and duck back. If the cameraman wants to get a picture, they run away two girls peek out and see a stranger and giggle and get back to cover. These fish are beautiful, lazy things very feminine and sexy even going further than the sketches. There is a natural, there is a natural hoochie coochie motion to the goldfish that can be made of us here.
Misha 56:00
Stop it. So Tyler That's one of my favorite scenes because I love fish and underwater as
Tyler 56:08
well. This were partly here to were partly here to ruin our childhood. So I'm going to keep going to study that natural hoochie coochie motion unquote in humans so that it will be available for reference Director Armstrong and story this is from the book this isn't wait.
Misha 56:24
So who said hoochie coochie? Disney he did?
Tyler 56:29
Yeah, this part that I'm now reading a study that they arranged to shoot live action of an Arab dancer this book was written in 1942 by the way so the book is also like questionable at five minutes to three Armstrong and right found awaiting them a swarthy skinned Arab interpreter a brown eyed commonly made and her mother and then they like, have Yeah, this this made dance for them. And then they which I mean, that is fine if they have like dancers like they did that for the for the flowers as well. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just it's just a bit cringy Okay. Watching
Misha 57:05
the so I googled cut racist St. Fantasia YouTube, and not I mean, it's a screenshot of the video. It's pretty bad. Really, really racist. Way more than I expected. And
Tyler 57:24
yeah, that they cut out. Yeah, it's quite bad. Yeah. quite bad indeed. Um, so yeah. What what the article, we talked about Dumbo, he said, Yeah, yeah. So it's like,
Misha 57:38
I mean, shit.
Tyler 57:41
All right. So yeah, like, but they cut that out. So I just think it should I don't even think it should lose anything for the for the fish being sexy. It's just or sexualized, but it's like, I just wanted to read that because it's like, where that was the the where it was coming from made and I noticed it because maybe it's because I'm a fucking gross pervert who? Because
Misha 58:06
I did pause the movie and take a break during that. They're
Tyler 58:09
they're sick. Those school fish. No, it's because you know, it's actually the sexiest character apropos. Maybe it's the main hippo. Oh, she's she got going on the looks.
Misha 58:24
That she gives. I mean, that was a horny, horny scene.
Tyler 58:29
I was into the hippo party party.
Misha 58:33
It's the new game instead of No, it is the gobbling.
58:42
Oh my god, that was perfect.
Tyler 58:45
Whoa 10 out of 10 for Misha yeah the the hippo was was sexy, the the Centaur its
Misha 58:54
eyes just like playing it so cool. And I was like, oh shit, that's how you get it.
Tyler 59:00
But it's just I think it's just because I mean, I didn't notice as a kid but you know, now as an adult having studied history, we talked about this with a Latin knowing what Orientalism is i i noticed and I was like, okay, that's this is Orientalism. The chinese mushrooms is more offensive.
Misha 59:17
That is I was just like, Oh God, I don't but as
Tyler 59:22
a kid as a kid that didn't register as racist because I was just a kid thinking it was a funny mushroom dance because mushrooms are cool. But yeah, so I
Misha 59:31
did it as a kid. I was supposed to be little chat. Yeah, little chinese mushrooms.
Tyler 59:38
But when I was a kid, a little kid, I didn't register that that was offensive. I don't I
59:43
don't ya know what I mean?
Misha 59:44
Right. It's just sort of like, okay, here's a here are some Chinese mushroom? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 59:55
They didn't. I also found that weird. Because
Misha 59:58
when that started, I was like this Steve was asleep on the couch because of course usually falls asleep during these. He says he wants to watch them like okay, and then he fell asleep but I was like wake up it's mushrooms and then it kept grads like God should have let them sleep through this. Yeah.
Tyler 1:00:15
Did you think it was weird that okay, so they they purposely took the the nipples off of the central reds but they left the nipples on the ghosts on the harpies. And yeah, and they end and it goes and then they even like they even like zoomed in and flew in front of the camera and
Misha 1:00:31
there's like boobs show. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 1:00:34
I wonder why they did that. Why they took them off of some creatures. Nipples.
Misha 1:00:39
Bash sinful. So if you're Yeah, so we didn't get there. You'd be like a creepy goat. I mean, I have so many ideas of what I want my afterlife to be like and a naked which creepy lady with your boobs out? Yeah. That's one of them. Scaring people.
1:01:01
Well, I just want to scare shit
Misha 1:01:02
out of people. Boy, that's one of them. I also want to heal animals. But I also want to turn into like a ghost shark that chumps fisherman goes sure Fisher people
Tyler 1:01:14
go sure that is a good look. Go shark.
Misha 1:01:19
Yeah, I want to be a go shark that tips all the Fisher boats. Wait, they're just called boats. Fishing boats. There we go. fishing fishing fishing boats and eating an E all the fish are people. That's my that's my afterlife dream.
Tyler 1:01:35
Boy, I mean, you know,
Misha 1:01:38
I mean, I'll go fishing I you know, also mammal killing because like whales and dolphins aren't fish. So I'll keep I'll eat all them too. Hey, and I mean, obviously, I created my d&d character. My personal design True. True, indeed.
Tyler 1:01:58
Do you do this? How many negative points are we talking here? Because I think none of it is as bad as Dumbo verbs, for example, or buting the beast or bolt? But I think it should get some negative points.
Misha 1:02:17
I think it's pretty bad.
Tyler 1:02:18
What is in what is when air is bad? Yeah, but it's um, I think it's just because like, it's like blinking. You miss it. For some things.
Misha 1:02:27
I think it's, well, the mushrooms is a
Tyler 1:02:30
mushroom. But it's there for like 30 seconds. Yeah. I mean, is it zebras?
Misha 1:02:34
The zebra reds? Yeah, centers. Ads are bad. Yeah. I mean, but that's the fish. I don't think I understand why it's problematic, but I don't think it's as bad. Well,
1:02:53
okay, I mean, it's not as bad as negative five.
Tyler 1:02:55
That is like the center rats or the or the chinese mushrooms. But it's like the same type of thing that like we did give negative points.
Misha 1:03:04
For Yeah, I think negative five fives were fine
1:03:08
to me. Yeah. Okay.
Misha 1:03:11
I feel bad because this is a beautiful, but it is what it
Tyler 1:03:15
40 That's the Yeah, it's gonna be racist. The next one we're watching his Fantasia 2000 Probably not going to be as bad I don't remember that one as well, actually, but
Misha 1:03:23
I don't think I've seen it.
Tyler 1:03:26
Oh, there's one part. I've seen clips of it. There's one part you I think you're really gonna love that. I do. Remember it involves Wales. No spoilers. Oh.
Misha 1:03:36
Are you despoiled?
Tyler 1:03:37
Yo, you don't know what's coming. Except the whale part. Okay, effervescence plus 10.
Misha 1:03:45
This is fucking effervescent. Yes. Plus motherfucking. Tas is
Tyler 1:03:49
this is like ASB style jelly magic.
Misha 1:03:53
Yeah, yes. Yes can mean gotta hate that shift. Yeah, shift gears
Misha 1:04:14
yep, yep. Yep, yep.
Tyler 1:04:19
That's right. Each other buttons thing
Misha 1:04:28
so sexy racist. Ooh, that's
Tyler 1:04:31
a sexy fish chef. Kudos. Oh, boy. Okay. We have I mean, honestly,
Misha 1:04:41
I can see that you're getting this
Tyler 1:04:44
room is boiling also. Yeah, I just turned red when I laugh or when I run or when I sweat or when I go to the bathroom.
Misha 1:04:51
Or, yeah.
Tyler 1:04:54
Yeah, when I was in fifth grade and played basketball all the time. I
Misha 1:04:57
can't just keep it around. But I
Tyler 1:05:02
used to play basketball like on teams and stuff. I would have like a tomato face after the game like surprised. Yeah, I've always had body issues, let's say body issues, just every.
Misha 1:05:15
Everybody has body issues and no one has body issues. Everybody, everybody is perfect body
Tyler 1:05:21
is perfect. Chef's kiss.
Misha 1:05:26
All right. Total score. Total score.
1:05:31
What is the total?
Misha 1:05:34
I mean, yeah.
1:05:37
Oh, okay. I mean, I mean, but
Misha 1:05:41
it is, if we were like, according to the binary rating system of like, does it fall? Is it in below the 50th percentile or above it? It's bad, but it's like, it's our, the, what's bad is our rating system for this particular movie. Our rating system fails Fantasia. So if you're just looking at the final score or listening at the to the end of the episode, right, we're like, skip ahead. Zip zip. I just want to know if this is good or bad. Oh, 42 not gonna watch.
Tyler 1:06:12
Ignore the by the way. 4210 is the total score. Yeah.
Misha 1:06:19
We said it. You
Tyler 1:06:20
That was the first time you mentioned it when you just said it. I don't think so. Hey, I'll take it. It's, uh, well, yeah, the thing
Misha 1:06:32
is, the total score is Oh, a 42 out of 100. Okay, no, so I said,
Tyler 1:06:40
I'm wrong. It's yeah, it's just a movie that is unlike any other movie with the exception of Fantasia 2000, which we're gonna Fantasia. It was an idea that was to, like the talking heads when they first came out ahead of its time. And it was weird because it was ahead of its time, and nothing's ever really talking heads of its time talking heads of its time. You are on fire? Boy, this, yes,
Misha 1:07:11
I don't think it's ahead of its time. It just doesn't fit like a mold.
Tyler 1:07:14
It doesn't fit a mold, even one that we've checked
Misha 1:07:18
our mold of our our rating system. So you know, a lot of we've seen that some of these movies don't write with like, there's no villain. And since there's no villain, there's no henchmen and stuff like that. And so, you know, not all of them are going to fit into the Disney mold.
Tyler 1:07:37
Yeah, I guess what I meant. But you're right, that it's out ahead of time, because it's very of its time, in many ways, like with characterization. So what I meant by it's just like they they made like Snow White and a couple like shorts. And then they're like, let's do this. And it's just like, yeah, Disney was like,
Misha 1:07:53
Diddy did some drugs to like, get back into this because especially with the first one Takata and few, it's just like, the animation is so trippy. And that felt that one segment felt ahead of its time like that, like late 60s, early 70s, Yellow Submarine like, yeah, round. And
Tyler 1:08:13
it's like just Disney being like such an egomaniac that he's like, I'm on top of the world. Let's make a movie music. And they're like, what's a movie music you'll see. And we'll watch it every five we'll do a new one every five years and the world will eat it up. And it's like we're revolution. Well, I
Misha 1:08:32
mean, surprisingly, for the time. I know it didn't because they didn't have the European market because of World War Two, but didn't show it.
1:08:43
Because it so yeah,
Misha 1:08:45
yes. Yeah. Only because it was really expensive. But they did well, wherever it was like a traveling roadshow. And it did well, wherever they played it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's Yeah, yeah. And it actually did okay, and now it's box offices. Now. It's
Tyler 1:08:59
considered one of the best movies ever. Like not Yeah, is one of the best animated movies ever. At least. Yeah. Well, folks, yeah, so 42 out of 110 that is low but hey, it's
Misha 1:09:12
low but that doesn't reflect anything. Yeah.
Tyler 1:09:15
doesn't reflect how magical this movie is. And if you have so far, I'd say this if you haven't seen it, and you've heard it's boring.
Misha 1:09:26
The chair hope a chair have a glass of wine or a cup of tea
Tyler 1:09:29
or a fireplace, put on some snuggly bunny slippers BS and just have a bit of patience because and also don't be afraid to let go just let it wash over. Yeah, it's like but I think it's just calm. I know that a lot of my a lot of people our age even but also maybe younger people we then
Misha 1:09:51
I think the problem is there's too much stimuli in our world. Just preach just calm down. Okay. Everybody, if you find it boring, just when was the last time you had a nice two hours to yourself? Yeah. And just,
Tyler 1:10:08
I was just, that's what I meant. So I was gonna preach a little patience. And if you really begging for stimuli, there's a bunch of stimulation in this movie. It's like, it's a light show sound show. It's amazing.
Misha 1:10:20
Tyler will preach patience. I'm gonna punch patients into your fucking face. I love it. It's just real nice. It's really nice. It's nice. You know, Steve kept saying that for the parts. He was awake there. He was like, this is nice.
Tyler 1:10:37
Yeah. And on that note, next up is like, as we already said, Fantasia 2000 The not like a redo or Redux like George Lucas style, but so instead
Misha 1:10:47
of every five years, it's just 16 years. So in 2016, get ready, get ready for the next Fantasia 2060 is happening.
Tyler 1:10:59
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Misha 1:11:25
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Tyler 1:11:33
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Tyler 1:12:02
And until next time. Bye everybody.
Misha 1:12:05
Bye, y'all.