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Tyler 00:00
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Misha 00:27
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing a podcast where a Tyler and I discuss and rate animated Disney films going in alphabetical order following a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I'm Misha, and
Tyler 00:42
I'm Tyler. And this week we're talking about 1940 One's a dumbo the man the myth the legend, which
Misha 00:51
which is kind of sad that the movie is named Dumbo. Yeah,
Tyler 00:55
and the fact that people keep fucking calling him Dumbo jump here fuck this movie and fuck us friends so actually
Misha 01:04
his his mom is Mrs. Jumbo so he's jumbo jumbo and his dad is okay so he's jumbo jumbo Jr, Triple J this is a I would make this visible dad. Yeah. Jumbo Jumbo.
Tyler 01:20
Well, yeah, if there were dads in this but as we find out there's no sex in this universe. It's just birds delivering babies to
Misha 01:28
so so is the mom just immaculate conception but she's Mrs. Yeah, Mrs. Because you should miss Mr. And God
Tyler 01:36
married to the manufacturer.
Misha 01:39
Jesus John about Jesus Jumbo.
Tyler 01:41
Isn't that the people who did that song open up? You know who the fuck Jesus God. Jesus. Boy. It's gonna be a crazy one. I had my third COVID chat today. So I'm in the zone. The zip up of zone.
Misha 02:06
And we're recording this on my husband Steve's birthday. So I was baking and it came out of the oven like a minute before we started recording. So I'm a little clap. Okay,
Tyler 02:19
well, happy birthday to Steve then. Happy birthday to to that wonderful guy. And. And congratulations to the baking. You're a great baker.
Misha 02:30
Oh, thank you. We'll see how this turns out. What do you what you have been doing? I Well, he'll have it both so it's not a spoiler for him. I made a lattice topped apple pie. Okay,
Tyler 02:44
some trickery. Interesting. Yes. That's cool. apple pies are great. I haven't had one in for ever.
Misha 02:54
For it has cardamom in the seasoning. All
Tyler 02:57
right, get out of town. That's enough of that. I'm beyond happy for you. And I'm just jealous now. So fuck Steve. All right, so this is a movie that is an hour long, which would not be acceptable anymore. That's just they know they tell you have a packet I do pack it in but it's just it's funny because like it's just funny that production companies basically demand that and they did it with this movie to everyone was saying Disney you have to put like 10 to 15 more minutes into this. And he's like, No, I think it's good the way it is. We don't want to put any. We don't want to fill it with any garbage. Unlike there's like a third of the movie, which is garbage. But maybe more. But yeah, let's get we've got a lot to talk about much yelling got a lot to talk about. So before we get into the plot summary, for those that may be oh yeah, are new to the program. Welcome.
Misha 03:59
What is our scoring system that I mentioned is thus,
Tyler 04:03
colon. We have different categories, we give them scores of one out of 10 giving a total score of 110. At the end the categories are as follows originality, story, animation, music slash sound protagonist, sidekick villain henchmen strong female lead, but Oh, I'm getting my throat closing up bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor and then we have like minus points if something doesn't sit right. What could that be? And effervescence for the Disney Magic. And yeah, like I said total score of 110 Why? Because 100 is last year. We're in the now Yeah, suck
Misha 04:45
- 100 100
Tyler 04:49
So yeah, what is Dumbo about for those that haven't seen it? All right.
Misha 04:54
Dumbo is about a baby elephant named jumbo jumbo jumbo jumbo Jr just jumbo JR
Tyler 05:05
and this is a real like Goofy Movie type thing again because Goofy is name as we just got just like
Misha 05:10
Goofy Goofy GM Goofy,
Tyler 05:13
Goofy or something like that yeah it's like Max DM yeah I don't remember no
Misha 05:18
but Goofy for us
Tyler 05:20
yeah
Misha 05:22
so jumbo is born slash delivered by a stork to an elephant Mrs. Jumbo in the circus so already his life is just fucking horrible and I'm trying not to rage already yeah
Tyler 05:40
I did say in the beginning that this is like a Immaculate Conception type thing but all the other female elephants do say something like oh it's definitely hers like with a she gets around type look so do you remember that so good
Misha 05:53
okay no i Those fucking bitches okay that was the toned down version of what I was gonna say
Tyler 06:05
less Verna Felton again, her showing up. Yeah,
Misha 06:08
shit she's excellent she's excellent she's
Tyler 06:11
underused in this of course but yeah, also Fairy Godmother she was also the Queen of Hearts Queen of Hearts. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah.
Misha 06:20
So jumbo is delivered by stork to Mrs. Jumbo. Sorry jumbo Jr. is delivered to Mrs. Jumbo. And as all the other circus babies on the same day, every CIRCUS BABY has the same birthday. Yeah. And they just are doomed to live miserable cruel lives at the at the other end have a whip of a circus master or ringmaster. Anyway, so they discover that jumbo has giant ears, jumbo size ears. And so it naturally makes sense. Instead of calling him jumbo for his jumbo ears to call him Dumbo, because everyone's an asshole in this movie, it turns out and so everyone makes fun of him. They call him Dumbo, then it's time for the circus. Okay, and they're trying to figure out what to do with him. And along comes this fucking asshole of a mouse who pretends to be his friend. But he's just a dickwad. And this mouse convinces. Sure movie Yeah,
Tyler 07:40
convinced is the word the ringleaders is the ringmaster master
Misha 07:43
to put us Dumbo in the circus. And so they do this. I don't even Oh my God.
Tyler 07:54
They do this like so. On the pier.
Misha 07:59
Balancing Act pyramid on a rolly ball. Everyone falls because Dumbo trips on his large ears. And then chaos ensues. The mom Mrs. Jumbo is trying to protect Dumbo and runs amok and so and you know, is endangering people's lives so they lock her up in the sad little trailer and put Matt elephant crazy dangerous don't go near her and separate Dumbo and his mom, which is like the most horrible thing ever. super
Tyler 08:36
sad. Yeah. All
Misha 08:38
the all the elephants that are bitches are just like, Yep, she deserves it because they also have Stockholm Syndrome. Yeah. And think that their lives are great because they're in captivity. And it's going to victim blame. Yeah. I mean, they are still shitheads but yeah, I mean, you know Dumbo also has dark all Stockholm Syndrome.
Tyler 09:05
Yeah. So there are layers of acid Murray in this. Yes, for sure. And so also, there was a the mom gets thrown away into the clink because the the donkey Face Boy from Pinocchio starts pulling, pulling. Yes. Yeah. Does that happen? I can't remember. Does that happen before after the pyramid of elephants that happened after
Misha 09:28
the pyramid? I don't fucking know. How do we not know an hour? Like we should have a no. Okay. Doesn't matter. So it's very sad. Like, I
Tyler 09:43
think I think the sign him becoming like a attraction.
Misha 09:48
Right? She gets locked up and he becomes an attraction. And so they're trying to figure out what Dumbo was capable of. And the reason they're trying to figure this out. It's the mouse who's an asshole who's trying to capitalize Timothy. How the fuck do you know this mouse's name? Wikipedia? Timothy, just the normal name. Timothy the mouse.
Tyler 10:18
Yeah, I did not stick around for the end credits. Maybe it says it in the end. I tried to credits and I missed. I didn't see anything. Yeah, because that's what talking about. There's another character whose name is not mentioned, but is a thing. So but we'll get into that I don't want to spoil
Misha 10:34
fun. We'll get well we'll get to that. Okay. Um, okay, so they're so Okay. So then, while they're trying to figure out what to do with Dumbo, Dumbo is crying because he misses his mom because he's a baby. And the most heart wrenching scene of him going to visit his mom with her trunk. This is like, Okay, I'm sure everybody knows the scene. And if you don't, I don't know why. But she reaches her trunk, out of her cage through the bars and cradles him and rocks him to this very, very sad song. I'm sobbing. It was just too much to handle. And, uh, so sad. Yeah,
Tyler 11:29
it was triggering. I did it didn't make me cry. It didn't like cocoa me but uh, but I definitely like it when I saw the the scene like the weird prison card check thing. I immediately it was like, Oh, man. Yeah, I remember this. This used to wreck me. But I held it together.
Misha 11:46
TJ not surprised. Me didn't keep my shit together. Yeah,
Tyler 11:52
I pulled the very on Tyler move and kept my shift.
Misha 11:59
And so he's all sad. And the mouse is like, they leave the mom, which I was so upset that he really left her. Um, because this mouse is just manipulating him. And just Stockholm Syndrome on top of Stockholm Syndrome is just are like, what are poor Dumbo Jumbo. And so they go back and the mouse is like drink some water. But these fucking clowns who are also asked, every human in here should just be squashed during that chaotic scene with the elephants falling off the pyramid. And then the movie would have been happy. Just all the animals are fried. They run amok. They live their lives in Florida because it's warm there and stampede their way over every human town and city. That's a movie that I can get behind
Tyler 12:49
operation double drop.
Misha 12:53
And so he's like, drink some water. But the clown spilled champagne booze, whiskey. I don't really know something bubbly beer into the barrel where there should have been water, and they get drunk. And it's like the most fun scene in the whole movie. It's just nonsense, drug induced, like nonsense scenes and songs. And it's great. And if you only watch a small part of Dumbo, watch that I'm sure it's on YouTube, just that scene or somewhere. And it's great. And it's fun. And it's trippy AF. And so then they wake up in a tree after this. They're hung over they blackout wake up in a tree and they're like, how do we get in this tree? And then they meet some crows, which we'll definitely talk about later. They meet some crows, and the crows and the mouse and everybody are convinced that Dumbo can fly and lo and behold, Dumbo ears act as wings. Yeah. Dumbo can fly jumbo Jr. To go back to the circus. And these fuck wads of clowns convinced the ringmaster to increase the height at which Dumbo has to jump out of a burning a fake burning building for the circus performance because they're just monsters. And he is terrified. And he jumps out and they're falling, falling, falling falling and the last minute he can fly.
Tyler 14:36
Yeah, because they'd given him Timothy and the crow said concocted a scheme to trick jumbo Jr. Giving him a magic feather.
Misha 14:46
But it wasn't magic. It was just it was a placebo. Yeah, right.
Tyler 14:49
And that while they're falling the feather flies away. So then that's the big climax.
Misha 14:54
Like is it
Tyler 14:57
well, that's that's the big like story climax like Oh, Oh,
Misha 15:01
I guess the whole time that you can feel okay, whatever. Yeah. So turn like he just had to believe in himself. If that's what that was, yeah. And he flies and he flies around and he shoots it people with water and he flaps people. Peanuts, keeps the elephants with peanuts and everyone gets their comeuppance and it's awesome. But then happily ever after they're just back in the circus and his mom is freed from prison for some reason, and everyone is just Hurray. We're back to being captive circus performers, where we're whipped by a circus person. The end.
Tyler 15:44
Yeah. Yeah. The, the moral of the story is, be yourself and be true to yourself, and you might eventually get a better trailer in near prison. Prison life. Yeah. Boy, oh, boy. Oh, boy. There's a lot to talk about. Well, let's, let's start off with originality, because it it's, in this case, not the most exciting topic, perhaps, and maybe not a lot of controversy. Based on a story. So again, it's like Disney read a story. bought the rights, just like with Bambi. Yep. and made it into a movie. Yeah. Or made it into a film that novella film. Movie. familia, familia de Mille
Misha 16:35
works better like novella, Miguel Villa
Tyler 16:37
I like, yeah. So we gave Bambi a one for and we gave similar things one like yeah, like, based on the story, not original, obviously, there. I mean, I haven't read the story. They're probably original things in this, this iteration of it. But for originality sake, I think we got to be a it's got to be a winner. A one. One for originality story. Story. Yeah, this is one of those things. Like it's this is one of those things like it's kind of like Bambi Right. Or like Alice in Wonderland where like, things, plod along, but like not a lot. Really. Like there's no like, interesting story here. It's just like, this happens to Dumbo. This happens to Dumbo, this happens a demo.
Misha 17:31
I think it's a little bit better than that. I think, okay. I'm trying to put aside my hatred for animals in captivity and my hatred for humans. And just think about it as not a story about animals in captivity. And being abused by people. So like, a baby is tormented. Okay, it's a bad fucking story. People only like him at the end because he has monetary usefulness. Oh, and then fucking Timothy, the mouse at the end making it to the newspapers for being the manager of God dammit, I will get to that you you
Tyler 18:09
think that Timothy, you kind of get the impression that Timothy is friendly and is trying to be friendly. Because when the first time he sees Dumbo, he says like, why are they picking on him? And he steps into defendant? I think that's like, Yeah, I think that's genuine, like being nice. But then after that, it's like, everything's about getting you manipulate. Yeah. Yeah. How can I get you into the show? Also, he keeps calling him Dumbo instead of by its true name, but then again, double doesn't? Nobody.
Misha 18:38
Yeah, right. Neither does resign, which is so interesting. That Dumbo and his mom don't speak. But all the other elephants do.
Tyler 18:51
She names him in the beginning, doesn't she? Yeah, but that's all she says. That's it. Yeah, the reason I was thinking it's close to Bambi is like because because the protagonist doesn't do anything. Everything's happening around the protagonist. And that's pretty except
Misha 19:05
when he realizes that he can fly.
Tyler 19:11
Yeah, at the very very end, but that's less than Bambi does be I mean, like whole movie
Misha 19:15
is at the very, very only an hour long. Yeah. Which,
Tyler 19:20
which I think is like bad pacing. Yeah, and I think that affects the story negatively. The main character literally doesn't talk and doesn't do anything except shoot people with peanuts at the end. He has a kid I give them that said like be they don't give him anything to do. And it's just I mean, I understand that like, I forget who said this, but it wasn't some interview, like the protagonist is often not the most the side. The sidekick is usually more interesting because the sidekick like the protagonist is reacting to everybody the villain, the love interest, the sidekick, whereas like a sidekick, like has more interesting things to do. Sometimes Right. I forget where I read that or watched on YouTube, I forget who said it. So I can't credit that person. But um, and so in this case, it's like that. But it's like, it's like worse because it's just like a baby with no agency in a world where everyone around him doesn't have agency and everyone's being shitty to the people below them.
Misha 20:22
And that everyone's just being shitty to each other. Yeah. So
Tyler 20:27
it's, it's a horrible world with bad pacing. I mean, I was comparing to Bambi. But I think this is worse than Bambi. Getting to Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. What do you what do you think? Like, is a five too generous?
Misha 20:42
Yeah, I think maybe a four.
20:43
Yeah. Like,
Misha 20:47
I think a Hero Six is a four. And it's a better story.
Tyler 20:51
I think big problems. Yeah. Yeah. There were a lot of problems with
Misha 20:56
- But there's a lot of problems with this, too. Maybe we go down to it. Three.
Tyler 20:59
Yeah, we gave buting. The Beast story a three. Oh, I regret that. And I think beauty of the story is better than this one. Even though it's like, we hit it. We hit it. Because the reason we gave we stunk on it so much. was partially and a lot of it was because of like, what the story hinges on
Misha 21:18
Stockholm Syndrome. She's a she's also in captivity. This is Yeah. So I think we got to do something similar here. Yeah, yeah. Okay. A three for Dumbo. Yep. For story.
Tyler 21:29
Yeah. And animation. You know,
Misha 21:34
I liked it. It's classic. It's classic. It's the opening credits boom, circus posters for the opening credits. I love that different circus posters. Although,
Tyler 21:46
even though the circus is awful, but yeah. It's yeah, I liked it, too. It's like, it's clearly they they were so the story for those that don't know, and I won't go into all the development stories like they they. The previous two movies were financial failures because of World War Two. Like there was no foreign market for the movie, so they just lost a lot of money on Fantasia and
Misha 22:11
which is so sad about Fantasia. And what was the other one? It
Tyler 22:15
was Fantasia one was a Bambi? No, it wasn't Bambi it was Pinocchio. Pinocchio and Fantasia didn't do well. Yeah, because Bambi Oh, yeah. And because after this one. Yeah, so they, they specifically tried to make a bare bones movie. Finance, like a fiscally sound. And fiscally What do you call it frugal movie that would make some money. So they cut a lot of corners. And you can tell sometimes in the animation that they cut some corners, but it still looks good. But there's
Misha 22:51
still Yeah, right. Like, there's a lot of attention to detail.
Tyler 22:55
They just did a lot of like, sort of special effects II type stuff that they did that like for example, the beginning of Bambi that we see they don't do anything like crazy like that. Or right, which is when they don't take the time to like, make a make like when like Bambi is animation is but it still looks really solid. Right?
Misha 23:12
Right. But when like when jumbo is first arrived or born and he opens his eyes and he is very vision like that was really good. Like they do little things.
Tyler 23:24
The the sheer fact that they spent, like a good chunk of the movie on a sort of hallucinogenic, drunken dream sequence, which is yes, yeah, I literally just the animators going oh, let's see what we can get away with. It
Misha 23:41
was so it felt so ahead of its time. It
Tyler 23:44
really really seemed like something you'd see in the 60s. Yeah, yeah. 6070 Yeah, it but back to story though. It is like it is like unneeded. Like it doesn't make any like it's it's filler, which I like that it's there. But that's filler for a movie that's like an hour long, very
Misha 24:01
long. Yeah,
Tyler 24:03
it's like 15 minutes of filler in a movie that's already short. It's like they were literally just That's why Disney's thing about everything in there is perfect at anything. It's CEF Well, there already has a bunch of chaff in here. So anyway, but yeah, I also liked when the Stork is delivering Bambi he looks down at the world and it's like a political view.
Misha 24:22
It's yeah, I love that. It's
Tyler 24:24
really funny. I liked that. It's like it wasn't really cute. There's a lot of like, cool I also really liked it
Misha 24:30
when the Stork is delivering him he's like really heavy. Yeah, like trying to carry the bindle set the baby sack Yeah.
Tyler 24:37
And and then there's I liked the train and how the train like all the locomotion art like how it's like a semi circle and like the land is moving around the train. Yeah, sort of timesaving stuff, but it looks really nice. I don't know. Yeah, I think the the animation is really nice and like all the action like the clowns putting the fire out or not because they're clowns in If you haven't said it on the floor, fuck clowns.
Misha 25:02
Yeah, I hate clowns so much. It's so scary. It all looks good
Tyler 25:08
though Dumbo as a clown was very jumbo jumbo Jr. as a clown is J.
Misha 25:13
- Abrams, JJ Abrams. Abrams
Tyler 25:17
was so good in this movie. No lens flares either, so I don't know where he fucking learned that later in his life, but as a kid, JJ Q. This second JJ Abrams. The first time was not pennies bolt, anyway. Oh, yeah.
Misha 25:33
Um,
Tyler 25:35
what's the question? Okay, you
Misha 25:37
know, at the end of every last episode, they go for right. Never seen last. Excuse me.
Tyler 25:48
I mean, I've seen it, but I've never seen it. I've seen like two or three episodes. Like, the only reason I watched last. No, I didn't watch last. No, Jesus. Yeah, it's
Misha 25:58
too late.
Tyler 25:58
It's too late. Yeah, because it's too late.
Misha 26:01
It's too late. It was like great. While it was happening,
Tyler 26:05
I watched like some first season one episodes and I thought it was pretty shit. But I I'm in the minority of it
Misha 26:11
like it's not. Okay. Let me rephrase. This. wasn't good. Quality. Oh, right. Right. Okay. But it's entertaining. I thought like, it was fun. And we want maybe because we also watched with friends. So it was like, yeah, like a thing where we could all get together and like, you know, Wednesday nights we'd all like hang and watch Lost. Boy, boy, did they fuck that up, though. Everybody hates us now. Yeah.
Tyler 26:43
And I also wasn't I'm not criticizing liking to because I watch a lot of absolute trash. I'm not I'm not criticizing. I've watched under the dome. Yes. I've watched TV set show the rookie, which we've talked about on this before with you. Yep. Yeah, I wasn't criticizing for that. It's just like I tried to watch it. I couldn't get into it. So when you mentioned pennies bolt thing. I it took me a second because I knew that from that's why. Yeah, you got it from cultural osmosis rather than right. Cool. Yeah, experience. Fuck, I was gonna say I had something funny to say. But not so funny. I'm sure you do. It was gonna be so good. Oh, never. It's okay. Yeah, so, animation.
Misha 27:31
I think it's strong.
Tyler 27:32
I think it's, um, I guess we need to think like, how strong is it like Cinderella strong. Is it a squeak lower than this?
Misha 27:44
I think it's a squeak lower than that. Okay. A six. I think it's inline duck tail.
Tyler 27:51
Lamp is a Yeah, I would say so too. It's like a Timothy mouse week below. Cinderella. So six out of 10
Misha 27:57
Oh, so a big old fucking bonkers going noisy below. I hate him so much.
Tyler 28:07
That guy was sort of typecast as the small sort of he was Joe Pesci before Joe Pesci like he was typecast as like small sort of quick talkin like, yeah, see? What do you mean man? Like, mobsters and stuff like that.
Misha 28:23
Anyway, Dick, music and sound.
Tyler 28:25
Um, before I forget, because I often forget, I want to just give a shout out to Sterling Holloway, the voice actor for the stork? Because he's
Misha 28:34
Sterling Holloway. I'm glad you're saying that. Yeah, like that was one of my first I just, I knew
Tyler 28:40
I was gonna fry it if I didn't like say it. And when I mentioned Verna Felton earlier, yeah, he's, for those who don't know, he was like he and Verna Felton, two legends were in like everything. He was a Cheshire cat. He was caught in Jungle Book. He was Winnie the Pooh. He was adult flower and Bambi which I didn't remember I looked that up.
Misha 29:02
He's so talented. And he's
Tyler 29:05
that he's that voice for my child. And like when I think of a Disney movie, it's like his voice and then yeah, and the guy who does like bullet lose voice Yeah. And then like Verna, Felton's voice Yeah, basically. Yeah, so a lot of the voice acting was strong because it's all like these Disney stalwarts that were like professional voice actors you know the classic people back then the music What did you think of the music?
Misha 29:34
I kind of liked some of it so I've had that Casey Jr. Which I don't understand what it is but I have had that Casey Jr. song stuck in my head since I watched it can you see Jr
Tyler 29:44
going around the track?
Misha 29:49
Yes, did you us back Yeah.
Tyler 29:51
Casey Jr. says a train the locomotive which
Misha 29:53
I don't I didn't understand. I tried looking it up like what the fuck that what does it mean? Why is it named at I don't know. Couldn't find anything. I mean, okay, I know we're gonna get to this. But when I see an elephant fly, it's a very good side.
Tyler 30:13
It is the most memorable. of the songs to fun.
Misha 30:16
Yeah, it's memorable. And I like it. And it's a shame. Yeah, they cut they they could have just, they could have gotten away with it not being super racist. With just a couple small changes. Yeah, it's Yeah, could have just been more celebratory of different people. But instead, they were like, Okay, we're gonna double down on being racist. Anyway, we'll get to your audience you understand when we sort of delve into that? Yeah,
Tyler 30:52
a little bit. Yeah, let's Yeah, let's save save it and go in order but I do I am like, itching to get to it that's elephants on parade is a good song. I mean, it's not a good song, but it's memorable pink cow.
Misha 31:05
Is it pink elephants on parade? Elephants
Tyler 31:06
on parade? Yeah. And Casey Jr. I I totally forgot Casey Jr. But then right when it came on, I was like it sounds good. Yeah, just
Misha 31:20
Yeah, it's good music and oh, when Casey Jr. is like chugging up now I think I can sound and then and then. Yeah, just the sounds are really good. The music is good. For the most part.
Tyler 31:34
Um,
Misha 31:36
did you notice that? Okay, I don't know if you know this, but the sounds that Dumbo jumbo Jr. Makes are the same sounds from the Disney short. Goliath two. Do you remember that cartoon?
Tyler 31:50
I do not. Okay.
Misha 31:53
I do and you should watch it.
Tyler 31:55
What sort of cute Goliath is about.
Misha 31:57
It's about Yep, Goliath too. It's a Disney animated short from actually I think it's this early 60s. I have to look it up. Yeah. 1960 Okay. And it's about this cute teeny tiny little elephant who's so tiny he gets in trouble because he's too small and people can't see him hmm And he like can't keep up with the pack a Durham's?
Tyler 32:27
Nice one, and to kind of looks really similar to jungle book
Misha 32:31
and he makes Yes, exactly. So I think there's like some crossover with QA and like, maybe some there might be crossover characters. I'm can't remember. But anyway, the sounds that they use in DUMBO that use again like the elephant sounds in Goliath to
Tyler 32:54
gotcha and it's very cute.
Misha 32:55
I really liked that. I didn't I haven't seen in a long time but it like hit something Yeah, had it like lit up some neurons
Tyler 33:02
Yeah, it's weird how that happens like when the Casey Jr sanchia Like like some like little spark from childhood popped up. The same thing with like, seeing the the Dumbo visiting his mom in prison seeing like, you know, yeah,
Misha 33:15
that's what I was saying. Like the little like put it her putting her trunk. Oh,
Tyler 33:19
yeah. an indelible image Yeah, actually really quick jumping back to animation. This isn't something I this is something I probably should have mentioned earlier but I just wanted to give a shout out also to like to build Pete Do you know Bill Pete is people such children's book illustrator? And he worked on a bunch of movies but he and he was he was in this I noticed his name and this one that's I wanted to give him a shout out but he he like was the he did a lot of the stories that I like really loved as a kid like I mean just too many to name and I think if you've probably read some of them if you see his his arm
Misha 34:00
you probably have his as you read all of them. Yeah,
Tyler 34:04
all of them but there's big bad Bruce which is my favorite. Okay, you
Misha 34:08
never mind you are naming that is as a Sarah Palin. gotcha moment.
Tyler 34:12
No, no, you I don't remember a lot of the names because they're like Willy Wonka. Stilley and like Pamela. And there are a lot of names that I don't remember but God, but the one I do remember thinking that Bruce, he's a big bear and he loves like rolling rocks down a hill and messing with people's lives. But then a which turns them really tiny. And
Misha 34:33
so I've never heard of Oh, okay.
Tyler 34:37
You've reminded me of
Misha 34:39
like, oh, okay, there's uh oh, he did some Jungle Book storyboarding.
Tyler 34:45
Yeah, that was the last movie he worked on. For for he did a really fast one about a Cappy bear but I don't remember what the name of the book is you.
Misha 34:56
Also Song of the South? He
Tyler 34:58
probably Yeah, he worked on Like every Disney movie until 65 or something like that so from 37 to 65 Very cool he's like another person from childhood and the big thing getting small reminded me of them so sorry for going off topic or going backtracking back to music and sound what you said I I agree with you I just want to shout out one song that I I did not remember from childhood and stuck out which we'll get to it doesn't sound right but it I feel like it should hurt the score a little bit is the standout the rest of the crowd it's it's yeah, for all the wrong reasons for shouting out loud, it's racism the roundabout song do you remember that one at all? When the when the circus workers are putting up the big top and all the circus workers are black, and they're singing? Yeah, I was yes, faceless, no faces black people and they're singing a song that says we work all day we work all night we never learned to read or write we're happy hard aroused about grace about unskilled labor. When other folks have gone to bed we slave until we're almost dead we're happy hearted rest abouts. We don't know when we get our pay and when we do we throw our pay away. We get our pay when children say with happy hearts it's circus day today muscles aching back near breaking eggs and bacon what we need Yes sir. Boss Man hound and keep on pound in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, we'll get into doesn't sit right later. We can talk more about this. But I just wanted to shout out that despite most of the music being good, that was a big sore thumb that stuck out to me. Yeah,
Misha 36:36
this is a that. But I
Tyler 36:39
think we can hurt this movie. When it gets to that stuff. We can hurt it more in other places. Maybe this doesn't need to hurt the music score and sound score. Because the music sound is like solid for the most part. But I think yeah, maybe that takes it down a little bit. But yes,
Misha 36:53
it certainly does. I didn't remember I guess I was okay. This is what happened while I was watching this. I did watch this with Steve because he wanted to watch it. When that scene came on, we started talking over the music about why like all the laborers being black and what that if, like, is that a historical thing? Why why are they paid laborers? Like just like what yeah, what that was?
Tyler 37:25
Yeah, probably paid, but like seeing
Misha 37:28
having to do manual labor as well.
Tyler 37:31
Yeah. And then the the ringleader is in this but the circus also is a liminal space like a marginalized space to like the circus leader is a nasty hearted, Italian accented person who's also probably getting shit on by the rich white people who go who flocked to the circus like Donkey face. kid who mess with jumbo Jr.
Misha 37:53
Or maybe it's like part of a larger company of multiple circuses? Yeah,
Tyler 37:58
like Ringling Brothers or Barnum and Bailey.
Misha 38:01
Yeah. Those assholes. Yeah. Okay. So,
Tyler 38:05
so yeah, and I guess this doesn't need to hurt the score. But also like, I have a, like I said, with brave about like my threshold for bagpipes. I do have like a threshold on how much circus music I can sort of take. With all due respect to Tom Waits. There is a limit to how much like circus music I could take. So this doesn't need to hurt the score, but it's just like, there are a lot of circus songs in this and I was like, okay, all right, we get the point. We could put some, some I don't know. Mendelssohn are Debussy in here and really throw things around. But no, we got to keep the circus music going. Sorry. That was my
Misha 38:47
I can't remember there's this Tom Waits song that I I really liked but I always got the lyrics wrong, even though I like knew what the real lyrics were. And so now I can't remember what the actual lyrics are. But got something got something. Gods update for Christmas.
Tyler 39:07
Gods Gods away Gods away on business business. Yeah.
Misha 39:13
Got something for Christmas. Yeah.
Tyler 39:16
Such a great blood money. So good. Yeah, so what do we think and for music and sound? I mean, so I think solid like I would say
Misha 39:28
a seven but then we should knock off a point.
Tyler 39:32
Interesting. Interesting. I was gonna say
Misha 39:36
the exact same thing.
Tyler 39:40
I was gonna say seven because I was feeling it was close to Alice in Wonderland territory, rather than like Aladdin. Territory, or like Bambi territory. So yeah, seven and then dropped down a little bit. Makes sense to me. Perfect. Yeah. Being like a pseudonym. I
Misha 39:57
love it. And we're on the same page. Yeah, I hate one. Can you pause and I'm like, Oh, dear God, yeah.
Tyler 40:03
This is this is. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's the dumbest thing because it's like an audio medium, and it's just dead air. And we're just staring at each other. Or in this case, I'm staring at my microphone, because for some reason I keep doing that today, because it's like to the side. Yeah, it's absolutely stupid, but I will continue it. Drama. protagonist, Dumbo, Dumbo, Jr, JJ. He's cute. He's very cute about it. And he's so likable, but he's given us nothing to do. He's literally doesn't have a voice. It's like they could have at least given him a voice. I don't know. I think I don't know. I feel bad giving a one but like, it's kind of it should
Misha 40:52
be higher than that. Yeah, I think it should be as high as three. Okay, because it's, he's cute
Tyler 41:00
for likability for in for he's icon. Yes. He's very iconic. And yeah, he's not
Misha 41:06
bad in any way. Yeah, he's a victim. He's cute. He's a baby. And you can fly. And I think you should. Yeah,
Tyler 41:17
and you can fly. And that should that give some points? For sure. Because I jealous that
Misha 41:22
I can also go higher than that. Actually. I think it shouldn't be a four.
Tyler 41:27
Okay. Yeah, that's fine with me, because we gave fucking Aladar
Misha 41:33
Fuck, yeah. Better. Dumbo is better. You just don't give them enough. Yeah,
Tyler 41:38
Aladar just has more to do. Yeah. I do. I mean, obviously, I mean, like, this isn't a controversial thing to say. I do think like, the moral of the story is a good one. But the problem is like, they don't do good.
Misha 41:51
The moral of the story is circuses are great. And it's horrible. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, fucking hate this. Okay,
Tyler 42:01
so it's a different, a different moral than the moral that I understood, that they sort of were trying to convey, which they didn't do a good job of is yourself. Not even that when it's just like, but I mean, it's not the I guess the more in my head the moral is not the same thing as like the movies. Like message, the movies messages. Do what you can to be, like excellent and profitable. So others like you, despite your weaknesses, whereas like, for me the moral the story is like, it doesn't matter what you look like or or how you identify or whatever. It's like, right you are. You're a beautiful precious little cute elephant inside no matter what. Right? That's the it's okay to be different. Yeah, whatever. You don't like good job of whatsoever. Yeah,
Misha 42:52
because you have to have fucking superpowers if you look different to be considered acceptable to continue living your imprisoned life. Yeah.
Tyler 43:04
Sidekick.
Misha 43:07
It's that fucking mouse.
Tyler 43:09
It's Timothy mouse. Timothy Q mouse.
Misha 43:12
Q for quack Ernie for quack a Rooney. Timothy cracker Roni MAs.
Tyler 43:18
One because he's a money grubbing little mouse shit.
Misha 43:22
He's, he's, he's. He's such an asshole. He's such an asshole. Like, also when? Okay, so they're falling at the end? Yeah, right. And the feathers gone. And he's like, You can do it. You can do it. And then Dumbo believes in himself and realizes he can fly. He flies. That motherfucker. Timothy. questionable. Quack. Rooney mouse says we did it. Fuck you, asshole.
Tyler 43:53
You didn't do anything? Yeah, the only they're only like two parts. It gets a little like when he first sticks up for Dumbo to the other elephants and when he's sticks up for Dumbo. To the crows. Yeah,
Misha 44:05
by the time he's doing it he's just trying to make money off of him.
Tyler 44:11
Yeah, or fame or whatever. Like or yeah, whatever it is. Whatever the currency for my sir.
Misha 44:17
Offers jumbo Jr. A peanut. And jumbo Jr. says no, because he's too sad. And he fucking takes the peanut back is to kidding me. Just say like, you know, maybe you're hungry. I know. You're really sad and he tells him to stop crying. Oh my god. I'm gonna flip this fucking desk over. Yeah,
Tyler 44:36
that's classic baby. He's adults. Yeah,
Misha 44:40
who's crying because he was taken away. His mom was taken away and imprisoned. And this dumb fuck mouse tells him to stop crying.
Tyler 44:49
I feel like that's like classic adult male in movies. Like even current movies. It's like they're there. Don't know how to like
Misha 44:57
Don't cry. Don't cry everything out. Fine.
Tyler 45:00
Gotta be macho. Yeah, I think yeah, well, their dicks off cut their mice. Winners off. No, no, I
Misha 45:07
feel bad because gasca Jack No, just you know, I like mice. Yeah.
Tyler 45:16
Villain. Alright. The villain is the circus humans. Other the other elephants, everybody. Dumbo.
Misha 45:26
Every everybody who's not jumbo Jr. or Mrs. Joe is a villain clowns, everybody
Tyler 45:34
so according to again Wikipedia eventually in some video game the ringleader was a like a enemy you had to fight so he's like enemy number one in this story I guess I would agree with that but like there's so many bad I wouldn't eat animals. Yeah, so
Misha 45:53
we had to rank them.
Tyler 45:54
I don't think the scores very highly. No as far as like,
Misha 46:00
I think it's a one a two
Tyler 46:07
a five thing. Okay, so here's your I was gonna say it should go be low, but we gave Okay, so here's the thing. We gave Bambi a high score because the villain in that is, man is man but also because it's like we didn't give it because it's man just that we gave it because like in the story the villain is scary. And like here though, it's scary. That's what I'm saying. And they challenge to this. They stay in the circus. And he's still in charge of them at the happy ending. Yeah. Until he died choking on a peanut Big Mac peanut burger or whatever. So yeah. Yeah, okay, I was gonna say like to just because it's so villainous. Like the system is so gross.
Misha 46:53
And but the system isn't the bad guy. Yeah, yeah, sir. It's okay. circuses. If we said the circus is the villain, then yes, it would get a 10 out of 10 because circus is the fucking worst.
Tyler 47:06
But we yeah, we kind of already made a limit that we wouldn't be giving abstract things like that. Because I tried to weasel a couple of things in earlier but Okay, so one is fine. In that case, then henchman is also a one.
Misha 47:21
Yeah, there. Who are the henchmen? The other elephants?
Tyler 47:25
The elephants. The clowns? Yeah. It's not Yeah. But no. Bad. And strong female lead one. There's,
Misha 47:34
I have something to say. Okay.
Tyler 47:36
All right. Elephants.
Misha 47:39
Elephant communities. elephant herds are matriarch Yeah, that's
Tyler 47:48
true. Yep. Communities.
Misha 47:51
Mrs. Jumbo. The yeller elephants. Um, I just want to put that out there that their female lead. Yeah. Should get right Verna is she's called the matriarch. Yep. But that being said, they're still victims of victim blaming. They're still victims of being in captivity. And they're assholes. And they don't actually help the story, or the protagonist in any way. Yeah,
Tyler 48:22
but I just give a shout out to elephant shout out to elephants. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so okay. Yeah, we gave Bambi some strong female lead points for mothers but,
Misha 48:33
but she
Tyler 48:35
mothers? Exactly. Yeah, I was.
Misha 48:38
She had a role where she taught him and yeah, this
Tyler 48:41
gets a stinky, as does the next category. I think bipoc representation slash portrayal because. Okay, because, okay, so again, it's like, yes, great voice acting, but all white people because it's the 40s and 40s were horrible.
Misha 49:00
Except the crows. Besides, besides the
Tyler 49:04
main Crow, whose name was originally Crow, and they changed it because of obvious backlash to dandy crow.
Misha 49:16
Oh, I thought it was still Jim Crow. That's good. I'm glad to
Tyler 49:19
change the crow thing in the 50s. But yeah, character's name is Jim Crow. Yeah. Yeah, well, it's my white guy.
Misha 49:27
Yeah, what was your voice basically doing?
Tyler 49:31
So when fucking Leonard Maltin said like, Oh, this is this isn't racism. These aren't just black characters. They're not black caricatures. It's like have you ever read a history book like these are this is like, these are characters nasty caricatures. And
Misha 49:46
the song? The song has bad grammar on purpose to make fun of black. Yes. All.
Tyler 49:52
Yes. Okay. It's exactly the thing that the original like Jim Crow minstrel show cared for nice. Got
Misha 49:58
Black people to do the other crows. And the they got a choir like an all black choir to sing that song when I see an album fly.
Tyler 50:11
Yeah.
Misha 50:11
It's like, it doesn't negate the extreme racism that they intentionally put. It wasn't like so we've done so many movies where there are characters of color or just like nonhumans right. And it's an all white cast with this. It's like they went out of their way to be racist.
Tyler 50:31
Yeah, that's the thing like with with Aladdin, they they were trying to tell an interesting story in very clumsily, like, fell into some some hurtful tropes, but I set out to make a racist portrayal. I think in my opinion, this though, right? They very much what I mean, it's either they, they just they did, it's like so clearly raises purposeful to like, intentionally racist. And if you're if you're still on the fence, like well, did they mean to well, then, like, go back to the roundabout song in the lyrics of it like, right.
Misha 51:06
And so why would you name a crow? Jim Crow?
Tyler 51:11
Yeah, that's the thing. And like, the clothes, they're
Misha 51:13
wearing it around. Yeah, that's not it. Yeah. So
Tyler 51:16
I know. It's not it's not like a new take or anything to lambast for this. But it's obvious. I mean, it's obviously important to point out, I wanted to just mention, like a couple of people, a couple sort of know notable African American people have, like, said otherwise. Why this African American animator who worked for Disney, in the 50s defended the crows, which I thought was interesting. And we'll see Goldberg once mentioned like that the there should be merchandise for the crows, because they're the ones who sing the famous song. I don't feel like that's a very good argument. But that is capitalist. Like, that's like there should be more like toys of Jar Jar because he's the he's the loud one. And it's like what? Yeah,
Misha 52:03
well, there are a lot my dad has
Tyler 52:08
been. There more Darth Maul toys a Georgia will actually probably charge our toys. I don't know. Anyway, kids,
Misha 52:14
don't kids like Jar Jar anyway, it doesn't matter. Okay, so what I was saying at the beginning of this episode, was that they could have, it could have been fine. They named the main Crow, Jim Crow, who's voiced by a white guy. That is not okay. They intentionally wrote lyrics with bad grammar to make fun of black people. That is also not okay. They could have just made the grammar fine. And had not named that character Jim Crow, which nobody even fucking knew. Yeah, like, doesn't come up in the movie itself. And they could have just had a an African American or black. I do it. Yeah. And it would have been fine. That's the thing. Like they intentionally added more stuff in to make it racist. And that's why it's a problem. I don't actually have a problem with the crows. Like it. Okay. Let's say you're just watching it. And, like, it is an iconic song. Yeah, it's a good song. And they're fun. They're like, the most like relatable characters that act. Yeah,
Tyler 53:21
they're relatable. They're not part of the Yeah, they're free. They're the system. They're like, best buddies with each other. They're, they're funny. It's just like, Yeah,
Misha 53:31
but they added in things to be intentionally racist. So I just wish they didn't have to do and it would still have would have still been the same.
Tyler 53:40
So I just want to like, I don't even know if he's still alive or not. But this the, I just want to read this quote from Leonard Maltin, film historian critic. You know, like up there like Siskel and Ebert in like white people who have opinions magazine for movies. He says, The crows are undeniably black, but they're black characters, not black stereotypes, there is no denigrating dialogue or Uncle Tom ism in the scene, and if offense is to be taken in hearing blacks call each other brother than the viewer is merely sensitive to accuracy. And I just have to say, it may not be uncle Thomism but it is a different type of horrible stereotype. There are many types of horrible stereotypes of black people, it doesn't all fit into like the forgive what the actual name historians give it. Like the older wise, black person who's like usually a made mammy or something like that, I think I don't know if that's the right word. Like
Misha 54:33
right there's also like the that is a stereotype for black men like older black men. There's a thing like to give sage Yeah, like, Yeah, that happens still.
Tyler 54:43
Yeah, so I mean, it's just, I just don't know just to I'm curious to like, like,
Misha 54:48
we've talked about this before, where there's sort of this like fuzzy line or not aligned right like of what is black culture versus what is black stereotype or caricatures and You don't want to whitewash everything right? If there's supposed to be black characters in a movie, you don't want to whitewash it and give or take away and strip it down to not black culture. But if they hadn't, it could have been less. It could have been grayer with this movie if they didn't do those intentionally racist things on top of the stereotypes, right? So it's like, why would we believe that these are not stereotypes if they're being intentionally racist in other ways?
Tyler 55:34
Yeah, I'd be really curious to hear like any any opinions listeners because I mean, I Yeah, I'm a fucking white dude. Who knows nothing and I that is I mean, obviously Misha is not I am not Yeah. Anyway, this is nasty it's awful it's a it's a one because when they do put Yes, there are African Americans in it but they're they're unskilled laborers and they don't aren't even given faces or voices to sing about they're being happy about their
Misha 56:08
situation circus parade there might be some it looks like there's some characters who are brown Yeah. But it's like unclear right it's just like yeah
Tyler 56:18
that on the camels with the scimitar stars in the sort of Middle Eastern garb to me I didn't even remember
Misha 56:24
like some other characters the skin tone looked like it could have been brown but which I'm
Tyler 56:29
thinking if this were real that would have been like white people with brown face or blackface on if that was like a real probably. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so one and Yeah, can we just skip really quick to doesn't sit right before we go back to fun factor I feel like
Misha 56:45
yeah, because it's very much related needs to lose points because so what I've seen is we've given a lot of ones because it's been an all white cast but when you have an all white cast and then on top of that it's intentionally racist it's got to lose points in for doesn't sit right even though we can't we don't our rating system we can't go negative in the bipoc representation and portrayal category so it's got to go in the set right?
Tyler 57:14
I think I mean, this is a
Misha 57:18
I mean, full full negative I was gonna say so yeah, circus Yeah, yeah. For the circus the animal abuse that extreme like yeah, the intentional racism.
Tyler 57:30
So we all we gave negative nine to Beauty Base for things we've talked about a lot. And then we give a negative nine to bolt for like just this the animal abuse basically so this gets animal abuse. This is like what's the the rampant obvious racism? So this yeah, pretty negative 10. So this, this, this what I'm leading up to this, this ties with Christmas carol.
Misha 58:03
A really harsh or the Christmas,
Tyler 58:04
but it's disgusting. It didn't sit right. Yeah, things, things. For different reasons. So yeah. And it's like how it hits us. You know, we try to be as if
Misha 58:14
you need a barf bucket. If you're yelling at the same time that you're barfing, it gets a negative 10 Yeah, screen barf negative chat, also
Tyler 58:23
known as an awful waffle. No.
Misha 58:29
What's it awful waffle waffle
Tyler 58:30
is when you you pour maple syrup on your someone's belly. And then I think there's another step on top of that, like, then you put someone's face and
Misha 58:41
I was gonna say, yours is not as gross as what I was thinking. Oh, I was thinking of a weird sex thing. And I don't want to say it now.
Tyler 58:48
I mean, oh, well, yeah, there's there's that which is kind of also like bouldering where you put like, as you put your testicles in someone's butthole
Misha 59:00
often waffle is where you're on some kind of like waffle knit thing and somebody just has done it and then you stick to it.
Tyler 59:07
Oh, that's that's the cheese cloth. That's the Kentucky cheese club. Yeah.
Misha 59:23
Oh, Gretzky cheddar.
Tyler 59:25
The whiskey chatter. Yeah, that's it. Have a good day. Boy, okay, so fun factor. All right. This one is not fun. It's kind of fun. Okay, it gets some points. It gets some points for the pink elephants on parade. thing. Yes.
Misha 59:40
That Yeah.
Tyler 59:42
I was a kid. I didn't know it was like actually a idiom for being drunken seeing things. I didn't know that. I thought it was just like,
Misha 59:52
also the opening with the train is yes.
Tyler 59:55
The stork is fun. Yeah. Okay,
Misha 59:57
that's it the store to get some points. So I think she get one point for each of those things to up to 234. That's two, three.
Tyler 1:00:06
Sorry, because most movies decidedly unfun and a bit of a bummer to the point.
Misha 1:00:11
Sad and I was Yeah, yeah. real sad as yelling really upset
Tyler 1:00:15
over I would want to give it a two but we're already really raking it over the coals in other areas. So yeah, now Yeah, effervescence, said this is an issue because this is like
Misha 1:00:26
I was surprised. I thought it wouldn't be because it's class. Yeah.
Tyler 1:00:30
It was not. But it was. It was not for me this. I was just, this wasn't, this wasn't like, like when we watched Alice in Wonderland. It was just having a bad day. But like it didn't. It wasn't magical on the day for me, but I recognize that it's still like a magical movie. And it's iconic. Beauty is also horrible, but I Connick and like very memorable and all that stuff. This this. Yeah, I can see. I feel like I'm going to have a similar opinion with Pinocchio, but we'll see when we get there, but it didn't do
Misha 1:01:02
I disagree with Pinocchio. There's some really magical parts. I can't remember. But I think that I want I don't see
Tyler 1:01:10
I haven't seen it in a while. So. I mean, I just Yeah, neither of this. Yeah, this I expect it to be like a little bit more like oh, yeah, the old bill. I mean, like the whole the whole train warm
Misha 1:01:23
and fuzzy is or something I thought was I really thought there would be some, like warm fuzzies with Dumbo, maybe getting back with as well. Nothing. I was just like, fuck you. You're still in the circus. It's like this isn't a happy ending. It's just
Tyler 1:01:43
a rushed, empty like story devoid of charm and heart. I think. Yeah, maybe that's maybe too
Misha 1:01:51
harsh because it's just, they're just abused and manipulated. I just
Tyler 1:01:56
find like very little likable in the movie. So I mean, should we give it some effervescence? Because like outside of us? Most people would consider this a classic, or should we just go with our
Misha 1:02:09
No, it's just a classic because it's old. Sometimes. Yeah. And the music is there's like memorable songs but I don't think it is the effervescence that I Cinderella for example. It's sort of a gut feeling. I do it as a gut feeling. When I'm watching it, like like sort of like sweat like swelling, internal swelling of fluttery this I didn't fucking do that. And it was just upset mad.
Tyler 1:02:43
Yeah, and for example, like Cinderella, we did.
Misha 1:02:45
It does feel like a book. It does feel like a children's book just on to screen and I don't like to play Yeah.
Tyler 1:02:56
So are we thinking are we thinking I'm gonna zero I have a new zero but like work hard and some controversy. Hey, but if you came here this is the no spin zone if you came here for like the old same old milk toast like Dumbo is the best movie ever. argument I don't know if anyone ever would ever say that says you're wrong. We are controversial fear. Oh, we'll get drunk. Don't forget to go to Buffalo cheddar, some hot wings on Fridays. Now up next. Toad the wet sprocket as me does DJ voice after Toad the wet sprocket and then after that some classic Dave from his second album, which is all about sloppy six. Coming up next. Oh 94 Five
Misha 1:03:54
I'm glad you didn't sound like that when you were actually on the raid.
Tyler 1:03:57
Oh no, I was much more boring. And, and unsure. This is Godspeed, you black emperor, one of my favorites from them. And then coming up next, cigar ROAs after these short announcements, and it's like three in the morning and nobody's listening because I'm asleep.
Misha 1:04:15
Because I come visit you get to read some of the like weather clouds. Yeah.
Tyler 1:04:23
Boy, those are the times good times. I know. Great diggin Okay, shout out to W and H and other independent radio stations.
Misha 1:04:34
Yeah, all right. What's the tow ready to hear the I'm kind of nervous. I'm really nervous about this. I really nervous. ready
Tyler 1:04:44
I am going in eyes open I'm not nervous. What is it? Oh, Holy fuck.
Misha 1:04:50
Boy. Oh, boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. I did not expect her to me this low
Tyler 1:04:55
out of a possible 110 points gang. It got For those who weren't counting as we went got an 18 out of 110
Misha 1:05:06
I was Oh god. Yeah, so is right. This is this third. Worst third worst. So the worst is of course a Christmas carol Carol. Then of course that we've got Chicken Little which is Chicken Little fucking pile of shit. And then and
Tyler 1:05:26
then Dumbo two points better than chicken.
Misha 1:05:30
But look I mean what are we doing here? It's it's being objective to bad
Tyler 1:05:35
fucking movie just because it's a classic doesn't mean it's good. Yeah, it look back to what you said like being old doesn't make it good like like I mean segregation was like
Misha 1:05:52
I was gonna say like the furniture in my house. Oh yeah my great great grandparents. They weren't wealthy so it was just crappy at the like, yeah, it's like some of the furniture I mean, some of its great and it holds up and my new kitten is scratching the shit out of it no matter but
Tyler 1:06:07
yeah, it's like a I think it was Soufiane Stevens I can't remember who it was. Someone tweeted or posted something after like highs and lows of the year and he and he was complaining about how like 90s Fashion is coming making a comeback. Like why is it making a comeback? Sometimes things should not come back. And you know. So a twofer Dumbo 18 For Dumbo. So gang thanks so much for listening and if you disagree with us, we'd love to hear from you. Get in touch with us at [email protected] Yeah,
Misha 1:06:40
also we're on social media on Twitter and Instagram @muchabupod
Tyler 1:06:45
and until next time when we watch a very new movie and see what that's like. Encanto
Misha 1:06:54
Yeah, I'm very excited. Yeah, me too.
Tyler 1:06:56
Until next time on 94.5 this oh boy, bye everybody. Fine.