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Tyler 00:00
content warning. Although this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and may contain content some people find offensive.
Misha 00:24
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing a podcast where Tyler and I discuss and watch animated Disney films in alphabetical order. And then we rate them based on a scoring system that we came up with, just so we could ruin people's childhoods.
Tyler 00:42
Exactly.
Misha 00:45
I'm your host Misha,
Tyler 00:46
and I'm your other host Tyler. And today we're talking about 2014's Big Hero 6 are our sure are and this was my first time watching it. Which Oh, I think we mentioned this last week. But yeah, first time first time longtime. No first time. First time watch her longtime time. First time first time for the
Misha 01:10
first time. Yeah.
Tyler 01:13
And it was pretty awesome. I thought. I think this podcast is making me
Misha 01:19
really jaded. Oh, boy. In what way? Oh, boy. Should we get into it? Yeah, I starting with the synopsis. Okay.
Tyler 01:29
What do you explain yourself? What do you what do you mean?
Misha 01:34
I mean, I just don't like, I don't know. It's just like, I just feel like really cynical. Okay, time to, like, not just sit back and put my arms back and kick my feet up. But here we go. I'm going to pick you apart. Big Hero Six. Well, yeah, I
Tyler 01:58
mean, I mean, yeah, it's like, I think it's comes with the territory. We were older, cynical, grizzled adults who are world weary. And this is a movie made for kids. So it's alright. I just got
Misha 02:11
a little bit older. No longer the same age.
Tyler 02:16
Yeah. Happy birthday, by the way.
Misha 02:20
Thank you.
Tyler 02:21
I mean, I know I told you Happy birthday on your birthday. But for podcast listeners officially. Here's my
Misha 02:27
habit. Don't give anything away. Nobody needs to know what my birthday is if they don't already know.
Tyler 02:32
Yeah, I don't know. I get I feel like I get where you're going with the feeling jaded. Like, what do you mean? Like it was a fun movie. But you've you feel like you have to rip something apart? Or?
Misha 02:41
Yeah, well, it's like when you pull all of the different elements apart. And we with our system, it's just like, Okay, I don't like this. And now I'm just thinking about that throughout the movie. Um, I know, we'll get into this, but I really don't like TJ Miller. Yeah, so it like, it very much upset me when his character showed up and then stayed, and
Tyler 03:10
yeah, he's a big. He's a big part of it. I honestly don't really know much about him. I mean, I saw him on Silicon Valley, and he was fine. And I've seen him in some like late night interviews and he seems like a huge asshole, but that might have been like a bit. So I don't really know I hear there's a lot of hate against him. But I don't really know. I don't really.
Misha 03:29
Okay. I didn't know that. I just find him incredibly obnoxious. And it's like, I don't know.
Tyler 03:39
He's very obnoxious on late night interviews, but I can't I don't know where he's coming from. Because those things could be very obnoxious to me, too. I don't know. But he also kind of gives gives me the sense that he's like, always trying to improv and be funny, and it's just not working out. But I don't know. Yeah, he's in it a lot. A little too much for my liking as well, but we can get character was just awful, right? Yeah. When we get to the side kicks, we can show it and talk about that. So yeah, so Anyway,
Misha 04:06
okay, so Big Hero Six is about a young boy, a pubescent boy who built robots, and he makes these microbots. And he does like real steel. Kind of bot fighting with his baby bots. And then his brother is also a tech scientist engineer. Oh, and then shows him Baymax who is the robot? The main robot, inflatable robot character who's great. So then the brother, the older brother. I should know the names of these characters to dashi. Yeah. And the main character's name is Hiro. Hear Yes, like hero, Big Hero Six? Or like the Japanese name hero? No. Yeah, of course Shut up Tyler.
Tyler 05:11
No, like the sandwich.
Misha 05:14
Utah. Okay, so tada, she brings hero to this convention expo where he can show off his microbots. And there are two people in the audience who are sort of vying for his attention. So one is the corporate guy who they oppose at the beginning, like, Oh, he's gonna be the bad guy, because he's all about corporate greed and capitalism, and yada, yada. And then there's the professor who hero has already met, and wants to be admitted into his tech school. And that convention center explodes. And his brother goes in to save the professor and dies. And he was orphaned already, they are being cared for by their aunt played by my Rudolph who's amazing. And he's sad. And then Baymax comes back, accidentally, because heroes stubbed his toe or something, and they Max who is a healing nurse robot, very cute. Then they find one of his little micro bots, and it's jiggling around because it wants to go with the other microbots. Then they go to find the other Hiro and Baymax go to find the other microbots. And there's somebody in a mask who are who's producing their own microbots for devious reasons. I don't know if that's true or not at this point, but it seems that way. They get chased out. Then they go to the team of P students who are at the school to figure out how to stop the person who's producing the microbots. Then they find out that TJ Miller is just very wealthy and a Batman sort of person and they build superhero costumes and go to get the microbots back, which is difficult because microbots are an incredible technology. Yeah, then it turns out, do we find out then, that it's spoiler alert? It's the professor Robert
Tyler 07:51
Callaghan. Nandi. When the team goes there to that island. They find out it's him because he's unmasked. Yes, not Aleister Crowley, the tech guru. Played by Alan Tudyk. And James Cromwell of bade fame is a is a professor a lot of good. A lot of good people.
Misha 08:12
Good will get a great movie. Anyway, long story short. Oh, no. Well, so turns out, what's his name? Mohan Kumar, Han. Han. Alice. No.
Tyler 08:30
Yeah, Callaghan.
Misha 08:33
Okay. Turns out how libtool had the professor is mad at the Aleister Crowley. Aleister Cray because Aleister Cray sent Callahan's daughter through a dysfunctioning teleporter teleportation machine, and he thought she was killed. Turns out she wasn't killed Baymax hero they saved her she was alive. Callahan made a huge I'm very exasperated. Callahan was an idiot. He thought it was worth killing Tadashi to get his for revenge even though his daughter was dead, but she wasn't dead. And he could have just, you know gone through that teleportation machine to save her but didn't that he's in prison. And then we hear this narration for the first time from Hero about how Big Hero Six superheroes are formed. The end. Yeah.
Tyler 09:47
And Baymax was lost when saving that obey Max sacrificed himself himself. Yeah. But then save the card. Yeah, saved himself. Really? Yeah.
Misha 09:59
Yeah, yeah, Christ himself but saved himself and then hero brought him back. That was pretty good. Thanks. I did call that it was going at first I was like, Oh yeah, it's definitely this, you know, corporate CEO or whatever, but then I was like, Wait a second. It's gonna be the professor before we found out as
Tyler 10:22
you know, I was thinking it was gonna be Togashi I thought it was gonna be the brother.
Misha 10:29
They can't do that because they don't have parents. Yeah no turn against his only
Tyler 10:35
while it was like he was going to be the villain and then like he was going to have like a Darth Vader turn back to the light at the end.
Misha 10:43
Oh, not to dashi don't speak ill of the dead. Well, just to Dasha, you can speak ill of dead in general.
Tyler 10:50
I just thought that would be. I don't know. That's what I was thinking like, Okay. This is the brother.
Misha 10:55
I thought it I actually thought at some point it was the professor but I didn't know why. Like, yeah, catch.
Tyler 11:01
And we'll get into that. Because I think the whole like, the whole bad guy. Part of this movie is like one of the weaker parts, but we'll kind of get into that. All right, yeah. Like, it's B actually, before we jump into the categories, it's it when you watch this movie, it really comes off like like, you know, we're inundated with superhero films. Now maybe that's one reason for feeling a bit jaded as well. And it is it's I like superhero movie. I do too. But there's just so many of you watch
Misha 11:30
all that garbage. remember a single thing,
Tyler 11:34
right? It's kind of like you sit there and enjoy it. And yeah, but yeah, this was a Marvel comic that was based. Yeah. So Tyler's story is completely I don't know, I think. Do you want to talk about the categories? Yeah, we've got originality, story. Animation, music and sound protagonist sidekick villain henchmen, if any, strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor. And then we've got like negative points for if something doesn't sit right. And positive bonus points for effervescence for that spicy Disney magic,
Misha 12:14
for a possible total score of 110 points. Originality
Tyler 12:20
is the first category. And as I was saying, it's based on a series of Marvel Comics. And they, they because when Disney acquired Marvel, they wanted to like dive into that pool of possible stories, and they liked somebody liked the title, Big Hero Six. But the story is really, as far as I understand. You read
Misha 12:39
the same Wikipedia article. Yeah.
Tyler 12:44
This is not for your sake, you should this is for the audience.
Misha 12:48
I just am proud. Like you're not giving me new information. So my research
Tyler 12:53
was fine. Yeah. And I didn't like I haven't read the comics, but I did. Like quickly look at some of the characters and seven there are some characters of same names. Like there is a hero that the last 70 different. There's a honey, honey lemon. And oh, go there's another one. Go go. Yeah. Wasabi, I think is one of them, too. Yeah. So I mean, for originality, it's this story is original, but like, the it comes from a comic, and like the idea is not original. So
Misha 13:29
I mean, I
Tyler 13:31
don't think it should get as low as like, like, well, we gave Bambi a one for being based on a book. So I feel like that it was like
Misha 13:38
the Bambi was like a beat by beat. Like the same thing. Right?
Tyler 13:44
Well, that I haven't read the book. So I don't remember. That was either that that was a long time ago, when we recorded that. So two weeks ago. Yeah, I feel like okay, we gave a lot of an a to. So we did give Aladdin some props for being a newer retelling of an old story. So maybe this could be like a three. Yeah, I feel like this is maybe a tiny bit more original than Aladdin. So yeah, I agree. And it's a little it's hard to think about but this was back in 2014. We hadn't been so I mean, the this the Marvel superhero wave had already started but like it hadn't. It's not it's not like it is now in 2021. When there's so much
Misha 14:29
yeah, no idea what year it is, or when things happen.
Tyler 14:36
So what was happening in 2014? I don't remember where that is in the Marvel timeline. But that's post Christopher Nolan movies that's post Avengers had come out Captain America, like a bunch of them had come out. So okay, it was right in there. But yeah, it still feels like a little bit fresher than it would like if it came out this year. Probably. I don't know. Right? Yeah. So three originality. What about story? Let's see.
Misha 15:03
I am like, go
Tyler 15:04
for it. You go first ladies first.
Misha 15:06
Okay, it was okay. Story was fun. It was fine fun file orphan, genius boy builds robot, it gets stolen, they go fight to get back. I maybe
Tyler 15:24
this is gonna get like talked about in other categories and it will affect those scores but I did have like some issues with the I just found some things to be a little near. Like I found the villain and his whole like, that was a bit of a half baked like backstory that seemed lighter and
Misha 15:44
the whole thing was kind of half baked. Yeah, like it felt like, why did they need to go get them?
Tyler 15:51
What do you mean by him?
Misha 15:52
But the gang of tech techies,
Tyler 15:56
why did they need to go get them? What do you mean? Who's
Misha 16:00
that? Okay? They the students of the school? Why did they have to go get the microbots?
Tyler 16:10
Well, because it was it was hero's invention. And he believed that the person who had him was responsible for killing his brother for destroying that building. Right. And then the others joined in to be supportive, right about that part to be supportive of hero
Misha 16:29
seems like yeah, okay. I mean, I felt like it was just like, leaps
Tyler 16:34
between I agree. I extremely agree. And because of that, like, like, some of the characters were not fully fleshed out. The villain wasn't fully fleshed out. It was all jumping forward too quickly, I think. Yeah. Right. But in the middle of that is a wonderful, you know, like friendship between Baymax and hero that is absolutely lovely. And yeah, it kind of reminded me a little bit like of Aladdin, Aladdin stories, like, in my opinion kind of there. But the central relationship between the genie and Aladdin is is great. Even though Aladdin is kind of a Dyngus.
Misha 17:10
I like the story of Aladdin better than this story.
Tyler 17:15
I agree. I do agree with that. I think the Aladdin story is like, more interesting. This one. It's, it is fun. And that's going to come into like fun fact. Yeah, and other stuff. And we'll get into it with the next category. But like, the things that are really great about it are not the story. So I mean, right?
Misha 17:33
It just felt like okay, this is it's like, they had this idea for this cute robot. Yeah. And then how can you make Yeah, how can we get a story around it?
Tyler 17:47
I I totally got that too. Yeah, that seems like and then when you've read like the when you do the deep research that we did like reading that Wikipedia article, you definitely get that sense. It's like we want a cool robot and then they did a bunch of research into that went to Carnegie Mellon to study right so weird soft huggable.
Misha 18:05
Yeah, they made a fucking robot. Yeah. Or is it like a real life robot to figure this out? Right. So
Tyler 18:14
and then they're like, Okay, this is awesome. We got to build a Goofy around.
Misha 18:18
Yeah, they should have just made it way simpler.
Tyler 18:21
I slick Yeah, it's like you have a gorgeous baked pie but like, the filling is really like delicious, but the crust is like not done. I've been watching a lot of MasterChef lately so sorry. That
Misha 18:36
that's not Yeah, that is a stretch I would say I would argue that the well no, this metaphor fucking sounds Yeah, it
Tyler 18:44
sounds Yeah. So what do we think of like a four because like Aladdin got a five. Yeah, and I Boris fine. And I do agree that it's a tiny it's not as good story wise as Aladdin. It's
Misha 18:58
not as bad as Atlantis and it's not as good as Aladdin. So I think a four is a good place to be.
Tyler 19:06
Yeah. Okay. Okay, next category animation. If I may. I thought it was fucking amazing. It's yeah, I loved it. Or just was I love the I love the like Japan mix to San Francisco idea. I don't know if that's from the comics or brands
Misha 19:24
so Tokyo Yeah, I did not like that.
Tyler 19:27
I don't like that name. But I like I liked how it looked.
Misha 19:31
Yes. I'd love to stop me to meet immediately
Tyler 19:35
when you see that golden gate bridge but it's like got the temple gota
Misha 19:39
Yeah, yeah. Beautiful fall. And the color already works.
Tyler 19:45
Yeah, everything was super gorgeous super super gorgeous like the frenetic pacing of like the whenever there's like action it was really great. I thought yeah. All the people with their different like abilities like that really pops and shines when it when they when those happen. Like the rollerblading that was go go right with that are named Vinnie. Yeah, she makes that cool magnet bike and then they turn it yeah go go. Yeah the one that says yeah woman up all the time. Not all the time she says like twice and Honey Lemon I loved honey lemons like, like purse filled with weird balls of energy. That was awesome. Yeah, yeah. Yeah I thought was beautiful and the whole the way that microbots work like when the bad guy comes out of the super
Misha 20:30
super I like Yes. It was great. Yeah. I don't like how people are so skinny and lanky. And especially the female characters. It really bothers me that there aren't any sick. strong female characters. Yeah, why does everybody have to be stick figures?
Tyler 20:55
I also don't really like those the faces in this type of animation. This is off putting about them, but and that goes for like
Misha 21:03
well done. Yeah, but it was like intentionally off, right. Like, that's how I feel with a lot of CGI humans. I typically don't like it. Because it's like, at what point do you stop being realistic? And stick to I don't know. Yeah,
Tyler 21:27
I mean, we talked about this with a Christmas carol that uncanny valley feeling that
Misha 21:30
was absolutely terrifying. This wasn't
Tyler 21:35
Yeah, Disney goes through those phases of like, their stylistic trends in their animation like the Disney Renaissance the way that they make people those people kind of look similar like it's the same artistic style. Yeah, then we get to later like Atlantis looked very much like like Treasure Planet. And and well,
Misha 21:54
I mean, depending on which character you're talking about. That's true. That's
Tyler 21:58
a good point. I'm thinking of my low into some of the other people very square Angular. Yeah, Tarzan was the snake Tarzan had that sort of similar look to it. And then we move into this like the the like all like up and and inside out and soul which came out recently they like all of these movies have this similar looking? Pixar, Disney humans like that look really lifelike, and they've got great expressions, but like there's always like one feature that's a bit too big to make it look cartoony. Like somebody's nose is a tiny bit like right looks looks off or honey lemons. Legs are like, toothpicks like Yeah, everybody was like stretched. Yeah, it's a black character who was like huge, but everybody else was just sort of stretched. Yeah, I wouldn't like to see somebody like, like different body shapes. Yeah. Like the the slacker. What's his name? The TJ Miller's character. Yeah, he he's quite lanky and it was a bit off putting. Not a fan of lank Yeah, what was his name? Fred. Was it Fred or? Yeah, Fred. It was Fred. Yeah, I mean, but overall, I think the animation is great. But yes, some small issues with like, how people look. And also Yeah, we should have different body shapes.
Misha 23:23
We need to see right not just one person has a different body shape.
Tyler 23:27
What did you think about here? Oh, kind of looking like he belonged in the band. Gorillas. That just mean nothing. Yep. All right. His hair, his hair and his teeth. He looked. He looked like somebody from gorillas but okay.
Misha 23:40
Anyway, so my. So Jonathan, my five year old nephew loves Big Hero Six, but my sister has decided he is a little too young because it's like a little it's PG it's not tree. So they watched it together. But then she's like, that's enough. Like you can't keep watching it. Even though he loves it. But heroes hair reminds me of Jonathan's it gets like it doesn't fall down. It like gets spiky. No, it's very cute to see his hair. Yeah. Got to think about Jonathan and Jonathan loves. Like, I know kids love Legos. But he's like very good at building things. So it was nice to think about him watching
Tyler 24:22
Yeah, and heroes like I mean, we'll get into a hero. Yeah, he's a builder. He's He's a likable, I can see why if you're really into Lego you would you would really the zero and like this, the ideas behind this he
Misha 24:35
loves just building things with anything he has and being creative. So with Legos like he has he'll like we get him sets. And he'll put the sets together and then he'll create new things. That's why I love Lego but like, Yeah, he'll do it with anything and he's so creative and really good and meticulous, which I really like and he remembers how he's built things. So if things if something breaks apart He remembers exactly how to put this thing he made up back together. Anyway, awesome. This is the podcast where I
Tyler 25:06
will be talking about. Sweet Sweet Jonathan.
Misha 25:09
Yeah, we keep talking about the rest of the nephews too, because there are four of them who are all wonderful and I love them all. But anyway. So what are you gonna give animation? I mean,
Tyler 25:23
I think it's really good.
Misha 25:27
I did too. It's,
Tyler 25:28
uh, I don't know. It is different. Like, it's not it's not really like, my style. Like, I much prefer that that old 2d Look. Like Bambi? Yeah. And, and buting the beast even except for the 3d parts. But I mean, it's really gorgeous. Like, this is this is like digital. Like, it's kind of flawless. Yeah, yeah, it really is. Like, it's not like, I mean, there's
Misha 25:57
nothing to write home about, like, wow, like, you know,
Tyler 26:01
I mean, I loved for I don't want to say the name of the city because it's so dumb but San Fransokyo looks so gorgeous and, and livable. Like sometimes when you have like, this happens in video games a lot. You have like a city and you populate it with with people, but then it feels like you can't like interact with that city. So you just like are driving around doing missions or whatever in the game, but it's like it doesn't feel like a lived in livable place. But this really, this was a vibrant setting, which I really liked. I mean, I could
Misha 26:32
we be as bold isn't nine.
Tyler 26:36
I know, I wasn't gonna go that high. I was gonna say it's like, I was gonna say it's like a strong eight is what I thought
Misha 26:45
I was thinking eight too. But there's copier, but okay, beauty in the beast is beautiful. But there were problems. Yep. And I didn't see any problems with this. Yeah, and although it is not our preferred style, except that well, except that humans like I don't like the way humans look.
Tyler 27:10
Yeah, we could draw I could go down to a seven because of the humans and because of the lack of variety and how humans look. Because we don't really have like, we don't have a body positivity. categories, so no, and if it really if that really rubbed you that's an animation thing if that really Yeah.
Misha 27:30
I just hate when I'm watching, like, lanky, skinny women as the only portrayal of women. Yeah,
Tyler 27:39
I mean, go go. Go Go wasn't really on our camera. Okay, but okay, honey lemon. Really like stand stood out is like really? All
Misha 27:49
Skinny Bitches. Seven. Okay, seven few minutes. Skinny Bitches. Even the ant like hello meat on them bones.
Tyler 27:59
Especially because she loves doughnuts. If you eat a lot of donuts
Misha 28:02
and let me tell you, I don't eat a lot of donuts because we need a good donut shop around here and I haven't ventured into big frying baking making donuts yet. I fucking love donuts.
Tyler 28:14
They're good. I can't remember the last time I had a donut.
Misha 28:19
Donut, sir. are good.
Tyler 28:20
Doughnuts are good.
Misha 28:21
Let's move on to the next category.
Tyler 28:23
Yeah, music and sound. Okay,
Misha 28:26
I hated the music of this movie. Really? I liked one. I liked the music during the like Robo battles like the metal music during the and I hated the rest of it.
Tyler 28:44
What specifically did you not like about it?
Misha 28:46
It was just the song. I don't know. It just all felt jarring. And like, Oh, we're trying to appeal to kids and just not fitting very well. I very much dislike the music.
Tyler 29:06
I didn't like love it but I thought it fit the movie. Except for the only song I've really the only thing I really didn't like was the couple times that that that song that had words in it popped up. I thought that song was absolutely awful.
Misha 29:24
By Fall Out Boy montage. Yeah, that sucked. The montage where he's building the microbots for the convention. Awful.
Tyler 29:34
Okay, yeah. I don't remember that. And credits awful. Then credits is that shitty song though? Isn't it? Yeah,
Misha 29:43
yeah. There was like another time. But yeah, majority of it. It was just like, I felt like it was we're trying to be cool, but it was grownups thinking about what kids would like to hear. I That's
Tyler 30:00
see I agree with that because it to me, it sounded like the guy who did the music. The composer's name is Henry Jackman. And he's done a lot of movies. And a lot of like superhero movies. I think he even did like Captain America. Winter Soldier. So it does sound like a superhero movie soundtrack that's tried to become more fun. I do totally agree with that sentiment,
Misha 30:21
but just make it like, have regular music. Don't. It just felt very jarring to me. Like okay, now there's music playing me. Hey, kids music. Oh, yeah, I just like fuck you just let us drive to the movies.
Tyler 30:40
Yeah, I didn't have that strong of opinion. I thought it was fine. And like most of the time it fit like when when the bad guy comes out of the water. And there's like, there's some menacing music. And that was
Misha 30:51
a few times where it was like, so noticeably bad. That just ruined my whole feelings about the music. All right. Well, I
Tyler 31:02
think I think it's for me. The guy is the guy who made the music definitely is talented, but just maybe didn't hit the mark.
Misha 31:12
Maybe it was the mixing too, right? Like if they made it a little quieter. Maybe didn't have to hear it.
Tyler 31:21
Yeah, to me, it's really good. It's weird. I really didn't hit me the wrong way. It just like kind of it was one of those movies we've talked about before where the music was just like, fine. And it didn't really it didn't stand out as bad. It's fine.
Misha 31:32
Except I did like the metal. Like I said, the like rock metal music. The rest of it I really didn't like.
Tyler 31:44
Now the saving. Maybe something that we can agree on though, is like the sound of the movie. Yeah, like the little sounds that Len Baymax makes when he's like trying to squeeze somewhere and stuff like that. Wait. Okay.
Misha 31:59
Day Max's sounds were so wonderful when he has the puncture holes. Okay, this is where this Yeah, you're right. This is where the score goes up. They Max's sound when He's farting or not farting, but he's like, I have to deflate. And then he deflates. And then he's like, I have to inflate. And they're just like, Okay, we're not gonna wait around for this and they cut away. But you can kind of still hear it. Yeah. The Scotch tape scene was my
Tyler 32:27
Yeah. And I liked how they let it Yeah, they let it linger too. Like they just so that no movies don't. I mean, like Family Guy did stuff like that all the time where they would just the joke would keep going. But you don't ever see that like an Animated Movie For Kids just fine. It was great. Yeah,
Misha 32:46
it was really good. All right. Bay, Max's sounds were great.
Tyler 32:53
Yeah. And there was like good good sound effects going on. Like the fight was like all the sounds of the fight and when they went into that quantum realm the place to get that that daughter at the end like Yeah, I think the sound effects and the sound were good. Yeah, music was just for me land for you. Horrible. I don't know. So we get it. Give us something in the middle like a five or a higher like a six. Okay. I was I was I was going.
Misha 33:24
I was gonna be Max's sound. I think Briggs it like okay. All right. So like six then? Yeah. Six.
Tyler 33:38
protagonist.
Misha 33:39
Alright, let's talk about hero. Hero is fine.
Tyler 33:46
Yep. Heroes fine.
Misha 33:49
Why do we have all these movies? Or we're just like, yeah, hi, it's like
Tyler 33:56
I mean, cuz then when we have when we have like a really great standout I mean, I think we just have to you know, we're just being honest here. Like, heroes. There's nothing bad about hero. In fact, there are things I really liked about him that I want to mention, but But yeah, he doesn't like yeah, he will never be as memorable as like, like Alice in Wonderland, for example, even though Alice like does less right. euro will never be as like iconic as Alice, obviously. I mean, I love how I love heroes relationship with his brother. I love that hero. I like that they give hero like time to grieve and be sad without making him like a whiny, nasty person. Like when the aunt comes up and says like, like, hey, there's that lady down there downstairs at work is wearing the weird clothes again. Do you want to see her and instead of being like, get away, like leave me alone? I've got like feelings. He's like, Yeah, maybe later. He's just like, I don't know. He's right. He's the type of sad that that I can relate to. I like that. He's like that. He's like a smart kid. You know? I Like he's, I mean, I really liked it like he's a smart kid. I think like, you know, this is pretty obvious, but it didn't need to be a boy.
Misha 35:08
I was just gonna say that. Why does he have to be a boy? I
Tyler 35:13
do like that. He's like, a person of color. But yeah, it doesn't need to be a boy. But he's Yeah, he's okay. Like, and I liked how he got, like, I did like how we got like, super angry and tried to get Baymax to destroy the bad guy. I really liked that little like moment of anger. And then like the chill down. I liked his relationship with the side kicks. And I, but that's more on them. Like, I like how they were friends of his older brother, but they like really held on to hero too, and didn't treat him like a little kid, which was really nice. But that's more on them rather than him. I don't know. I think he's like, somewhere in the middle. So yeah, I don't know. Like, I was thinking like a five. Personally, but what do you think? Yeah.
Misha 35:55
Just I wrote he's kind of generic, like, Yeah, I think a five right down the middle is fine. Yeah. Now,
Tyler 36:04
perhaps
Misha 36:04
I have questions about this next category before we start talking about it. Okay. Do we count? The Big Hero? Four of them? Wait, who are the? Yes, six.
Tyler 36:19
So the next. The next category is sidekick or side kicks accountant
Misha 36:24
just Baymax? Or do we know
Tyler 36:27
Fred gogo wasabi, honey lemon. They're all
Misha 36:30
that sucks. Because if it was just Betamax, it would be a 10 out of 10. But now including the rest of them. It goes way down. That happens. Yeah. That's shitty. Because I would. I'm gonna say I would give Baymax I could talk about BMX for the rest of my life. I would figure out how to get myself a bay mags. I love Baymax don't care for the other characters all that much.
Tyler 37:00
Yeah, I think they're just I think this is a problem with like the pacing, like we talked about before. They're all very underdeveloped. And they're all one one. No, no, like, yeah, and I really, I don't mean this in an offensive way. But I really it really bugged me that go go like, like, in the middle of the big fight. Everyone's got their catchphrase. And hers is like woman up. I felt like there was just like, pandering. It didn't Yeah. And
Misha 37:24
at the beginning, we were like, Oh, she's so cool. Okay, I thought I honestly thought we were gonna get more of her. Yeah, like she would be more of a lead. None of them are leads. I thought she was going to be a lead the way they introduced her. Yeah, that she would sort of take over. Yeah, and mentor hero more. Nothing. Nothing. Absolutely not.
Tyler 37:44
They all sort of just wait. Yeah, they bleed into the background. Yeah. And like the wasabi was really a boring character. I think Fred is really awful. Fred is the the TJ character. I think out of all of them Honey Lemon is the most interesting. She's like really friendly and supportive. And she's got that cool bag of
Misha 38:08
balls. She does that fucking classic thing that white people which we can get into in our bipod category, but she does this thing that people do when he says like, my name is Hiro. And then she says, Oh, everybody is hero. And it's like, fuck you. That's not how he pronounces his name. Just because you feel like putting some weird accent on it to try to be.
Tyler 38:34
I think it's because she she's Latina. I think that's why she's doing it.
Misha 38:38
Oh, did not get that.
Tyler 38:40
I'm pretty sure that's why I could I could be wrong. Yeah.
Misha 38:44
I did not get that. Well, we can
Tyler 38:48
say this. Well, that's it. Yeah. Like, like, if if that's not the case, like I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt maybe in your being you're going the other way? Yeah. Just a wait longer way could be right. It's like the the voice actors. Oh,
Misha 39:02
I mean, anyone can be Oh, she is I believe so. Yeah. But that's like, yeah, it if they're going
Tyler 39:08
to go yes. But I kind of get your point. Like if they're going to go either way, though. We need to know why they're making that decision. So then there's no confusion like you don't get pissed off about night. I mean, it's very noticeable. And I was like, Huh, that's weird.
Misha 39:23
I just wrote it. I wrote Big Hero Six is h o n. And then the first thing that Google said was, is Honey Lemon Hispanic. In the original comic series, she is not she's Japanese, right? But in the movie, her ethnicity was changed to Latina. Yeah, yeah, but she doesn't pronounce anything else with a non American accent.
Tyler 39:52
That is a good point. Yeah, I mean, I just been like, what's the
Misha 39:56
famous hero? Fucking say hero? Okay, whatever.
Tyler 39:59
If It might have just been like, I don't know, maybe like in the voice acting booth. That's just how the voice actor did it. And then I
Misha 40:09
thought it was intentional. I thought it was intentional to be like, Oh, this white person is saying it to try to be like, woke, but it's coming across not and that's the point we want to make.
Tyler 40:22
It could be but then if that's the case, then they need to like, if she okay. Yeah, I mean, I don't know,
Misha 40:28
I wish and she said his name more than everybody else. Yeah.
Tyler 40:33
Because she's kind of that goes back to what I was saying that one reason that I think she's more likable is because she's like, she's the heart of the group. So it's like she's making that connection when maybe the others are not, and they're kind of bleeding into the background. But yeah, you're right. It does stand out.
Misha 40:50
Everybody was just sort of like, okay, here's my character. Yeah.
Tyler 40:53
Like, they all have cool powers. Like, when they're all fighting. It's cool that they all have different things. But that's not enough to make them. Like that's just
Misha 41:02
their tech not characters. Exactly.
Tyler 41:07
But Baymax is perfect. Baymax is absolutely perfect.
Misha 41:10
Yeah, yep. When he's holding the cat, and he's like, drunk low on batteries, and he's a hairy baby. It's my favorite part.
Tyler 41:21
It's a good part. Oh, yeah, he's he's, he's magical. And yeah, he's like a classic like he and it's obvious why it's obvious why they like put them on the posters and yeah, such a great character. Yeah, so I mean, yeah, the others do kind of bring it down, but I don't think it should go as far down as like a five or something. I think. Neither do I like something maybe like a seven. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Baymax is so great. Just the others drop it down. Yeah, villain. Fine. I thought bad like I thought worse than fine.
Misha 41:59
Wow. Like, not
Tyler 42:01
interesting. Not original, very undeveloped. And it's kind of slammed into the end. Like, oh, okay, so you don't like him for that reason? Weird that like, yeah, you're right, goes back into the story. Like everything I just like, there wasn't. Yeah, visually very cool. But also visually unoriginal, like, looks like a bad guy from Legend of Korra. With that Kabuki mask, a little bit too similar, in my opinion. And that character? Well, that's unfair. I
Misha 42:33
would love to see more of the villain doing villainous things is just sort of their you know
Tyler 42:40
what this is this. I think this, this story would just be much better as like a TV series, which they did make it into a TV series, apparently. But like the bad guy would have been better fleshed out all the different side kicks would have been more fleshed out and more interesting. This would have just been a better there are too many characters. How long was the movie? It was like an hour and 40 minutes, I think? Yeah.
Misha 43:04
For this many characters with the credits and stuff. We didn't use side kicks. Honestly, I think we could have just had it with Hero Baymax spend more time on the villain. Yeah. And it would have been better. I don't think we needed all of the characters. Yeah. And then they've been the introductory, like, where maybe he borrows technology from them. Right? Like, they're just sort of introduces like the lab mates. And then they can launch into the series. Like we've met them, but they didn't need I don't think they needed to really be a part of it.
Tyler 43:41
Yeah, so then the whole conceit changes like Big Hero, too, but that's fine. I
Misha 43:46
mean, it's a fucking movie, though. Not a comic book. It doesn't work. Like think about Marvel. They started off as individual movies and then brought them all together. Yeah, no, you're totally right works, right. Everybody was introduced in their own way. So you actually like each character first,
Tyler 44:05
except for Black Widow. But okay, well, and Hawkeye, but no one cares about Hawkeye. Nobody cares about it. Yeah, no, you're totally right about that. Like that. That would have given them all time to be characters we care about and then when they team up. Or just do it as a TV series? Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, back to the villain. I just think, by the way, just another shout out to the fact that you need to watch Avatar The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra like I
Misha 44:32
watching Avatar The Last Airbender, and it just feels like it's made for only children. You got to know that no, no
Tyler 44:44
way to wrong. First season, like many shows is not the strongest, but it is so so do I have to watch all of it to then oh, Stan, like by the end, by the end of the No, no. Where
Misha 44:55
should I start if I don't want to just be like, just children.
Tyler 44:59
I'd say the end of the first season. Okay.
Misha 45:03
I very much dislike precocious actually. You
Tyler 45:05
know what I'm not even sure if you'd like Legend of Korra because you have such a distaste for teens and Cora is,
Misha 45:10
I will say that's not so I have been reflecting on this. I do not dislike all teens. I like teens. I like good behaved. Well behaved teens in real life. I like them a lot. I like I like the good ones. I'm just saying the majority are. If you're one of the good ones, you can send us an email. One of the knock good ones I don't want to hear.
Tyler 45:46
I'm gonna have a quick Tyler aside with the teens again, like I are all teens. I'm here for you. I know that you're going through issues and like life is tough, especially if it's not tough for anybody else. This is a side conversation between Tyler and the teens Mitch.
Misha 46:05
In the teens, that's gross. And
Tyler 46:07
we older generations, especially our parents generations have left you a horrible planet and a horrible society that you're going to have to like live in the ashes of I get it. Life is tough, and you're going through changes. Look it's tough. It's tough. But back to the important thing. Avatar unless legend Corp like the best shows ever. Anyway, villain. I'm gonna give this stinker like a two. I think he's boring. Holy shit.
Misha 46:34
Okay, no, hold on. Hold on a two.
Tyler 46:38
Sorry, I forgot to like come out of the side conversation with the team. I jumped out of it to drop the number that number two. You
Misha 46:46
were still in it. Okay, yeah. I'm going to say not a two because looking back we gave way we gave a Goofy Movie Pete a three but
Tyler 47:00
not what Pete is integral to that story. Pete is the one that keeps pushing them further apart and he keeps showing up. Like he's a bigger and more important villain then professor who lent Callahan it was like who's very like spotted you. Sorry, you you spotted that he was gonna be the villain. I didn't I thought it was gonna be like, the more obvious choice or I thought it was gonna be the like leftfield, brother trace at first
Misha 47:25
I thought it was going to be the obvious trace but then I was like, yeah, they're not going to do that. They are going to have a twist it's going to be the professor because we don't know that he died in the fire. I always think if you don't see the body
Tyler 47:36
right. Do you know they're dead? Well, that's what I was saying with Tadashi though. That's the same do
Misha 47:40
why he wouldn't do that because he's a good boy. But maybe he just
Tyler 47:44
like it would be just as cockamamie as what they showed us like,
Misha 47:48
Justice cockamamie, because he built Baymax to help people. Yeah, so we know him a little more.
Tyler 47:56
Yeah, fine. I was gonna say maybe he figured out something lame, like, oh, the professor is building some teleport, whatever, whatever. Whatever. I mean, I just think the professor is just such a boring bad guy. The only cool thing is the visual of him with that Kabuki mask which is man the
Misha 48:11
cape what didn't know what do you? What's that kind of Cape? It's like a coat. It's like a that like Matrix style. And trench coat. No, it's It's like a dash trash. Jesh lash Thresh. Duff Duff bush. What do you call the Duster? A duster?
Tyler 48:35
Oh, does he is he wearing a duster? Yeah, it's
Misha 48:38
like a long coat cape.
Tyler 48:41
My mom and stepdad used to always wear dusters all the time when I was young,
Misha 48:45
black leather dusters.
Tyler 48:48
Yeah. My stepdads was black. Well, no, it wasn't leather. It was some other. They were like real Australian like authentic dusters that they were super proud of. And
Misha 49:01
he's wearing a duster isn't he? Because he's wearing a cape. Isn't it flapping behind him when he's like floating? When they go to the docks? And then he comes up and he's like floating around?
Tyler 49:10
Yeah. Okay, I'm looking at a picture now. Cool visual. Again. Just not original. i That's a trench coat that's not a duster.
Misha 49:17
It is it has a KB flowing thing in the back.
Tyler 49:22
But that's that's trench coats have those don't say don't notice that's a duster.
Misha 49:27
Wait I gotta look I'm trench between a duster and a trench coat?
Tyler 49:31
Oh no, you're right. trench coats do not look the same at all. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, like a male trench coat not a women's trench coat. They have like the flowy back there mile now they're a bit too short dust.
Misha 49:44
Yeah, dusters are long. That's a data duster. That's a full matrix duster.
Tyler 49:51
It's just Oh, yeah, but okay, so look up like duster jacket. That's what my parents had like the Oh boy looking one not the matrix looking one. So when I think duster I think, Boy, wait, that's what I think of when I hear duster I think of like Australian cowboy from like, What's the fucking name of that movie? Max? No, no, my mom's favorite movie and it has like man from start man from Snowy River
Misha 50:18
like that sort of Australian cab Lappi. Yeah, shoulders. Yep. Right. Yeah, that's
Tyler 50:25
that's a dusta
Misha 50:26
didn't that is not what I think of in America. So
Tyler 50:30
is but is the matrix jacket considered a duster? It? I guess it is.
Misha 50:35
Guys who are like, Oh, I love vampires. I'm goth. Or I'm like a weirdo in high school. I'm wearing a duster. Like,
Tyler 50:43
you know, I've
Misha 50:44
got greasy hair. I love computers.
Tyler 50:47
All right.
Misha 50:48
I'm skinny,
Tyler 50:49
which I always skinny. That's I always thought that was a trench coat. That's where like that. And then like, that's where that stupid trenchcoat mafia name came from, but I guess I'm wrong. Yeah. But yeah, the
Misha 51:03
little dark glasses. You know, the little sunglasses? This is very 90s what I'm thinking of? Yeah. High schoolers and dusters.
Tyler 51:17
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't see. I'm willing to go. I mean, like, yeah, that's
Misha 51:21
not I think.
Tyler 51:22
I think the mask is cool. Yeah, it's just so on original, but whatever.
Misha 51:27
I also was just like, Okay, we get it, your daughter died, doing the job she signed up to do knowing it was potentially dangerous. Your student died and you don't care. So you're willing to kill these children? Because your one daughter died just fucking go to a grief counselor.
Tyler 51:51
I think they also needed to introduce the fact that there was a villain before the villain showed up. Like, on the way I like how hero and and Baymax stumble upon the facility like by following the micro bot. But also there should have been like, like camera cuts away like before of like, preparing the scheme because otherwise the scheme kind of comes out of nowhere that he's knows the game. Well, he's been he's been plotting revenge. And that's why he wanted to microbots from the beginning.
Misha 52:19
He just wants to kill the guy, Alistair.
Tyler 52:23
Yeah, but they could have shown like, it didn't even need to show his face. Plot though, right? They could have shown like that image of the facility with all the dot like there was a board with the the sparrow picture and the machine pieces that he was going to try to collect. But he needed the microbots for all of that. But if they showed that and then maybe even showed his silhouette, before the building blew up and before Tadashi die, yes,
Misha 52:47
no, a silhouette of somebody.
Tyler 52:50
Like, and then the whole then when he finally shows up, then it makes more sense. But yeah, and then when it's Professor Callahan as that mystery man, it makes more sense to and it's still like, maybe a little
Misha 53:03
I think it should be on par with Pete. Because he's actually a villain where Pete's just sort of like, Oh, my shitty boss. Yeah,
Tyler 53:11
good point. But bosses are the worst villains.
Misha 53:14
Not if you like your boss. I mean, Goofy likes everybody he likes seems to like Pete. I
Tyler 53:20
do like my boss. I've got a I've got a great boss, so I shouldn't be such Well, half the time I'm my own boss the other half of the time I have a really great boss. Anyway, henchmen.
Misha 53:31
No no henchmen?
Tyler 53:32
That's a stinker. Female Lead? None? None. But yeah, I was gonna I was gonna, I was gonna ask Should it be like at least like a two because there are some side kicks but you didn't like them?
Misha 53:45
No, they lose points. Okay. Okay, this is where we finally have some good BiPAC representation indeed. So we have Asian Americans being portrayed and cast by Asian Americans. And there are black here there is a black character. Black actors, this is just fine.
Tyler 54:13
And honey lemons voice actor also does the Spanish dubbing in the Spanish version, apparently. Oh, that's cool. The one that says hito.
Misha 54:24
Well, I think that they shouldn't have done that. Okay, I will tell you so my sister who we've talked about this podcast, her name is Kavita. She goes by Kavita. Yeah, and although it's funny because sometimes if she's meeting an Indian person, she'll change the pronunciation of her name, but sometimes people will just change it to Kavita because they feel like it and not listen to what she is saying. But it is her name. Yeah.
Tyler 54:52
I've definitely guilty of that in the past like trying to be sensitive and friendly and welcoming but then like Just being right I've definitely done
Misha 55:01
that. Just listen to what the person is saying their name is and then just pronounce it that way. Although here I am. My dad says my name differently than everybody else does.
Tyler 55:12
Yeah actually I don't think I've well I could be wrong I probably have I can't think of a time when somebody said like, my name is Kavita and I have gone native on it, like on the name I don't think I've ever done that but I've definitely been the person who's like and de Lucia putting this the list bonnet like, I just had a lovely Holiday Inn and Lucia Barcelona, that sort of thing. I
Misha 55:35
feel I feel weird. Okay, so like when we went to Portugal, like you say at least bola you don't say Lisbon does just the like angle because in Glick canonized way of saying and so people will say oh, Lisbon and I'm like, that's not even close to how it's fucking said. Why would we even I understand saying like Lisboa Right. Like at least or Lisboa or whatever. But like, anyway, that's what that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's
Tyler 56:02
another thing. Why do we say China? Why do we say China? That's insane. Anything like what they call their country? But I mean, it's what
Misha 56:08
do you think? jungla okay, I've been there. I spent a month there. Never heard that.
Tyler 56:17
Middle Kingdom. Everybody
Misha 56:18
said China. Me. Yeah, so
Tyler 56:21
what I've done is like, like, for example, and I maybe even did this in A Bug's Life episode. You know, like in America, we say Akira Kurosawa. But I, I will if if I'm being pretentious a Akita. Right. Right. Akira Kurosawa. Yeah, so yeah, but that's, that is, that is pretentious.
Misha 56:41
I also this takes place in San Fran Spokeo where they all have American accents included, like I don't know, whatever. That's, I would also like to say that I am not an expert in any thing related. Oh,
Tyler 56:59
yeah. Yeah, we should not be doing this podcast. We don't know what the fuck we're doing.
Misha 57:05
So I, you know, I keep like, oh, Tyler keeps defaulting to me. I'm okay. This is what I'm gonna say about every episode before this every episode after this. I am a person of a woman of color. Tyler's white guy. So we usually default to me for this category. But I am not claiming to be an expert. I'm just claiming to have opinions.
Tyler 57:28
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the same. Like, yeah, you have more of a you have a more right and more
Misha 57:34
valid. Yeah, I have not because I'm an expert, or educated specifically around race relations, or bipoc representation or anything like that. Just I fall into the category. And Tyler doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. So if you have problems with what I'm saying, that's fair.
Tyler 57:56
Yeah. And also just as straight up, like, I guess I assumed that back to what we were saying before, I assumed that she was saying his name like that, because she's Latina. I could be completely wrong about that. So if I'm wrong about that, apologies ahead of time and shout at me in the comments or whatever.
Misha 58:12
So where are we? Okay,
Tyler 58:15
so what kind of score do you think I mean, this check it excellent as it's ever been. So it is it is. But it's not perfect. But it's pretty pretty. Pretty great.
Misha 58:26
Good.
Tyler 58:27
I'm fine. I'm fine with an eight. I'm just wondering if my nine year
Misha 58:31
yeah, that's, yeah, like,
Tyler 58:36
I don't know. I can't think of a movie coming up that has as much as this does. And I think we should really do why celebrate it does come up.
Misha 58:45
I think we should go with a nine.
Tyler 58:47
I'm fine with that. Yeah, not a 10. But nine is good. Because
Misha 58:51
I don't know, I you know, I feel bad. I don't know what a 10 would be. Yes, that's
Tyler 58:55
Yeah, good point. It's because nothing's perfect. We got to keep pushing, keep pushing for progress, right?
Misha 59:00
But we've given what Okay. Okay. What would be more progress in this? For this?
Tyler 59:15
Well have all those people of color in the film have like, like, more important roles. And this is not necessarily a bipoc thing, but like, have the main character be like, you know, you know, maybe someone with the that's not like a teenage boy, right? Like, these are the sorts of things that could make that would
Misha 59:35
belong into strong female lead category. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I guess if we just had like Baymax not played by a white guy.
Tyler 59:45
Yeah, maybe the bad guy also it was James Cromwell is a legend. But did we really need to splash the money for him to be the bad guy?
Misha 59:53
No. All right, let's go with the nine casts
Tyler 59:56
on cast is portrayed by Maya Rudolph, but she's Why
Misha 1:00:00
are actor Yeah? Oh no, I'm like Why me? We should go down to an eight. But yeah, not only yeah more you know what you're right more black characters. There's only one black character.
Tyler 1:00:12
Maybe maybe the annoying maybe Fred didn't need to be a white dude was really rich maybe he could have been someone that's more interesting and also yeah
Misha 1:00:21
I'm holding it down to an eight okay,
Tyler 1:00:24
but with that said All credit to them for for yeah for diversifying what we see on screen
Misha 1:00:31
cast because the actors I mean we've seen where there have been movies where there are a lot of non white people portrayed but the cast isn't so this was good. Yeah
Tyler 1:00:42
the only other movie I can think of that might be even close to this is like riot in the last dragon. Yeah. Because they really, really tried and oh and sorry and of course Mallanna but yeah yeah. So that's great. That's good news finally for this category. Good news.
Misha 1:01:03
Yeah, out fucking time.
Tyler 1:01:05
Now fun factor.
Misha 1:01:08
It was fun.
Tyler 1:01:09
It was fun. It was fun. Baymax is a hoot. And he's just maybe so sweet. He's so kind and caring and it's like all the it's all the chase scenes are fun. The fight scenes are fun. Like the real steel Rockem sockem robots thing in the beginning is fun. The brother Brother Brother dynamic is fun although it could have been brother sister.
Misha 1:01:33
It should have been brother sister on cast
Tyler 1:01:35
is fun. She's quirky person. At
Misha 1:01:38
the end when he's when hero starts narrating. We it needs to lose a point for fun factor for that when he was like we did set out to be superheroes but here we are. 11 like yeah, I just You just ruin the whole movie. It's
Tyler 1:01:52
just not the whole movie. Yeah, just I also honestly. You know, with all due respect to Stanley. I thought the cameo was kind of dumb, stupid. Yeah. Like, did we really need a Stanley cameo? I mean, there is one at every Marvel movie. But this is not a Marvel movie, despite it technically is based on a Marvel property. But this is not a Marvel movie.
Misha 1:02:14
I thought it technically is part of the MCU
Tyler 1:02:18
I don't think it's part of the MCU I don't know I could be wrong about this. It is
Misha 1:02:22
featuring mighty verse cartoon part of the MCU. So when this it's a Marvel Comics and it's a movie.
Tyler 1:02:29
I mean, I think the M's that's a good question. I don't know. And I'm not qualified to really answer that. I suppose. I thought the MCU
Misha 1:02:37
would like go way back to the beginning and talk about the story a little bit. I didn't
Tyler 1:02:44
go away. What do you want to talk about?
Misha 1:02:46
Why? Okay. Why did hero go into the portal?
Tyler 1:02:52
Because Baymax got a sense of that there was life in there. Why didn't Baymax just go in? Because their buddies the writer die. You're gonna let go in by yourself. I wouldn't let Baymax go on there by myself. Robot. Oh, so heartless. So cold and heartless Misha. He's
Misha 1:03:11
not an Android. He's a data. He even says I can't be offended.
Tyler 1:03:18
But I'm offended on his behalf. You're right. If
Misha 1:03:21
you asked me this about Chappie, I'd be like oh fuck you, which
Tyler 1:03:24
I've never seen Chappie by the way.
Misha 1:03:27
Go watch Chappie What is he is a cute robot.
Tyler 1:03:30
It just that well I haven't seen I haven't even seen it. I just watched the trailer I was like this is just short circuit but with accents. Yeah,
Misha 1:03:39
but also less racist. Well, okay.
Tyler 1:03:43
Yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and defend Fisher Stevens as an Indian person but
Misha 1:03:52
I do love short circuit any and I love pretending to read books like short circuit.
Tyler 1:03:56
And that also was was full of gluten that
Misha 1:04:02
Oh, yeah. I don't know. It just seemed like you're gonna roast this child's life or this robot and this robots life when you could just he was stuck. Baymax was stuck in there anyway. Think
Tyler 1:04:17
how boring that it was like a Baymax says there are signs of life in there. And then he goes okay, go get her like that.
Misha 1:04:24
Nobody cares about hero. We all have Baymax and we just have a scene with Baymax and floating around Baymax but that's Fred. Do you need assistance? And she doesn't say anything and he's like, I can tell your vital signs are low. Honestly, we just need a Baymax more Baymax bless everybody else. Yeah,
Tyler 1:04:43
I see you. But
Misha 1:04:46
hero, more casts more Baymax love mochi mochi is really cute. We need a spin off with those three being at halt. Listen, I've got a really great idea. hero goes to school. Has the cat and Baymax is her Cafe helper?
1:05:04
Yeah,
Misha 1:05:05
talk about a good spin off show.
Tyler 1:05:06
Okay, but there's a problem with that. Because like if he if Baymax is working with the here's the problem, and it's really nitpicky. But if Baymax is working at a cafe and like, let's say, he's working at this cafe and you order a doughnut and a coffee from him, and he says, are you satisfied with your service? And you say, yes, then he just deactivates and you got to activate him? Because there's other customers, but you personally have been satisfied. And then he said, Yes.
Misha 1:05:30
Are you satisfied? Yes. And then so he deactivate he it's a new card. It's the cafe card. Okay, hero can make a villain card forehand. Yeah, and they can make a cafe card for him. No problem, right. And then mochi shows up with a little bow tie. Yawn emoji just walks around like a cat cafe and Baymax and casts. That's the spin off show. And that's what we need. That
Tyler 1:05:54
might be what the TV series is. I've never seen it honestly.
Misha 1:05:57
How cute would that be? That would be pretty cute. And he just sits there on his break and pets the cat like, you know, pat, pat, more drunk low battery. I
Tyler 1:06:08
see that would have been They added that and credit seed because people expected it because it's like, technically Marvel. What they should have had at the end is just they should have gone the jokey route like they did in Guardians of the Galaxy. They should have just had drunk Baymax or low battery. Baymax playing with Harry baby. Yeah, that would have been the best post credits. Yes,
Misha 1:06:28
exactly. So anyway,
Tyler 1:06:31
so yeah, so I think like it's now so Baymax
Misha 1:06:35
could have just gotten out of that portal. He had a second hand. He could have just you only had
Tyler 1:06:42
I think he only had one of those sorcerer hands, though. Because, yes, he
Misha 1:06:45
had a thruster hand and he was like, Here you go. I'll just let go with my spare hand. Why didn't he just hold on? Tell me? Why didn't he just hold on?
Tyler 1:06:55
Because the man because the hand needs to shoot out to have the thruster. So if he's still
Misha 1:07:00
he has two hands. What are you talking about? Just left?
Tyler 1:07:07
I don't think it would have worked like how do you know
Misha 1:07:09
she would have while I was what? What do you mean look, because
Tyler 1:07:14
when his hand is holding on, and then he shoots No,
Misha 1:07:17
he has two hands. Why
Tyler 1:07:19
would How does? How does he do that? And also hold on like, what? How do you shoot something away from you, but also hold on to it?
Misha 1:07:28
You have two hands, your hands can do two different things at the same time.
Tyler 1:07:32
Won't that just but I'm trying to think this mouse.
Misha 1:07:34
I'm shooting this hand. I'm grabbing the computer. I'm shooting this hand. What are you talking about?
Tyler 1:07:40
Yeah, so but he's okay. So he's got his hand on it. And it shoots away. If he has his other hand on it. I feel like that's going to want just like holding on
Misha 1:07:49
to it and show base. It seemed like it had the same.
Tyler 1:07:53
Okay, let me finish what I'm about to say. Doesn't that shoot it off course?
Misha 1:07:55
No, it does not.
Tyler 1:07:59
Okay, so hold on to your computer with your left hand and then also try to push it away. You can hold it in the middle. Try and then try to push it away with the other hand really hard.
Misha 1:08:08
Push it away. It's there's a jet it's jet propulsion that just push it and detaches. Yeah, but this hand is still attached to my body because I'm not a robot. His booster hand could detach. Alright.
Tyler 1:08:23
I don't know. What is this? Alright, full. I don't know anything about physics. So maybe it's possible. But then, but then we don't have that touching like, I'm gonna
Misha 1:08:34
come back. Oh, I'm so glad you made it out. I thought we were going to lose you. And then cut to the cafe. A week later. And Harry baby and Baymax were working there.
Tyler 1:08:48
Harry baby. For any dimension. 20 fans out there. You'll get why Harry babies a funny idea. But I don't think we should say no, you can just think that's the idea. Anyway, that's just that's a little angel. Dimension. 20 fan. That's like me and like the one person listening that also listen to dimension. 20 fun factor. What do we think? I thought it was fun. And then eight more fun than baby beating the beast. I would agree. Yeah, this isn't like super fun. It's okay. Yeah. All right. So eight Sure. doesn't sit right. I I can't really think of anything that doesn't sit right. It's just except for maybe for you
Misha 1:09:30
and the TJ Miller should lose points for doesn't sit right. TJ
Tyler 1:09:34
Miller, okay. I mean, it's just one guy. And he's not he. You
Misha 1:09:40
can say just one guy. But let's talk about America for the last four years doesn't say Right. Yeah,
Tyler 1:09:48
but I think that's a big stretching. TJ Miller is it came to Donald Trump. That I
Misha 1:09:54
should say a single Okay, I'm sorry, TJ Miller for saying that. I don't know what your political is. radiations but I don't know. Oh, God so
Tyler 1:10:06
so then minus one because we gave minus two we gave minus two to Latin for Orientalism, so I'm not giving teaching No,
Misha 1:10:14
that's incorrect. That's I. We didn't do give minus two for Orientalism. They Aladdin lost points in the bipoc representation.
Tyler 1:10:25
No, no, you had a great recall. You didn't let me give it negative
Misha 1:10:31
one. No, if you recall. It didn't get higher points because of that, because it was
Tyler 1:10:43
so then what's the negative tune doesn't sit right.
Misha 1:10:47
For a lot of rapey parts with Jafar. Hmm, okay, that might be Yeah, I'd have to go back that's what it was. Yeah, I think that's what it was okay, but just aren't being a perv.
Tyler 1:10:56
Okay, so pervy, Jafar is more unsettling than okay.
Misha 1:11:00
It's it's fine. Zero. It's it's just fine.
Tyler 1:11:04
I mean, to me, there's no doesn't sit right negative. Yeah,
Misha 1:11:07
that's what I'm saying. I find zero let that it's a zero. Let's go to effervescence, effervescence.
Tyler 1:11:17
Awesome. Zero. I think it's also 02 Yeah, there's no like really special it's for it's a fun movie. It's fine. Special. Magic. Yeah. It feels like this could be this could be like any just could be DreamWorks potentially, like if I didn't know as Disney like, I agree. I don't know if I would have known Right, right. I not the Disney by the way with this effervescence. We keep saying Disney magic, but not that Disney is the only people capable of making like a magical special animation and obviously, you know, there are there's Don Bluth and other amazing animations that have been done. It's just
Misha 1:11:57
Yes. Like Land Before Time. And yeah, would get effort and FernGully might get
Tyler 1:12:04
all dogs go to heaven. What's it called? Five. Five all goes. goes. Well, what's your first one American tale?
Misha 1:12:12
Right and American tale? Yeah. effervescent,
Tyler 1:12:16
The Hobbit The creepy Hobbit cartoons. So good. Yeah, so it's not just a Disney thing. I mean, obviously, we grew up watching Disney movies and other animation we'd like Disney movies, but we also recognize that Disney's just the big behemoth that controls everything and isn't the only game in town so Ark don't do what they do. They are good at what they do.
Misha 1:12:38
But I mean not according to this fucking ranking system. Jesus Christ. What are we getting? Give this Tyler What do you guess?
Tyler 1:12:46
I can't do math fast enough. I think this guy I think this is going to be around 60
Misha 1:12:50
Big Hero Six got a 53 out of 110 so that's surprising because if you know you do the binary scale good or bad it falls in a bad cat category.
Tyler 1:13:06
Yeah, just a bit just still that's lower than I expected me
Misha 1:13:12
to me to actually know because no female strong female lead no female
Tyler 1:13:20
it had some low scores like feeling was low. Yeah, yeah.
Misha 1:13:23
So Matt Disney magic it didn't get any the bonus point Yeah, that's like a big one to it like it mean it didn't lose points but it didn't get any Big Hero Six
Tyler 1:13:39
yeah all right. Well, you win some you lose some doesn't mean it's a bad movie just means it uh no. It kind of stinks sad movie kind of doesn't mean this Yeah, you're right. You're right. I was trying to let them down gently but try better next time you think hero seven
Misha 1:13:56
Yeah, and add a strong female lead instead of hero? Yeah. Like his aunt jazzy and and like perfect movie about her because Maya Rudolph is awesome. Or if
Tyler 1:14:10
it went like full Wally and like there was no hero it was just Tada she died and then Baymax like, Oh, my accident gets activated and the whole story is Baymax trying to find Tada she and then realizing that Tada. She's dead. Getting some help from the side kicks lab mates. Listen,
Misha 1:14:27
you have Baymax as the protagonist, and mochi as the sidekick. We're gonna mochi for some reason you know how like animals will be like latch on to somebody for some reason. Mochi latches on. I'm always pro more cats. Mochi latches on to Baymax and just sort of follows him around. That's a good movie.
Tyler 1:14:53
And mochi is like a strong Sassy Girl. Girl.
Misha 1:14:57
Girl cat doesn't talk But we know we get this Yeah, we
Tyler 1:15:02
get we get this we
Misha 1:15:03
say like good girl, you know? Oh yeah. All right Tyler neiger write
Tyler 1:15:10
the script for fanfare coming your way. We've solved the equation of how to make a movie better. So you're welcome everybody. And if, if you are getting annoyed with the low scores because of our categories, like strong female lead and bipoc representation, don't get annoyed by that because we need more of those things. In, in media, and
Misha 1:15:33
yeah, inwards and question yourself rather than us or
Tyler 1:15:36
look inward. Think about, about that about
Misha 1:15:40
your privilege. And check it
Tyler 1:15:45
which I constantly have to do as a white dude.
Misha 1:15:51
This gender so I also have
Tyler 1:15:52
Yeah, I should say sit Yeah, white sis had a pile of shit that I'm a piece of. I'm a piece of shit. I'm part of the problem.
Misha 1:16:04
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Tyler 1:16:21
Well, it was a delight as always. Thanks, Mish.
Misha 1:16:30
Thanks, Tyler. And we'll see y'all later. It's time for Bolt. Never seen it.
Tyler 1:16:33
Never seen it either. Another new one to be good. Alright, bye, everybody.