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Tyler 00:00
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Misha 00:25
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing a podcast where we discuss and rate animated Disney films going in alphabetical order following a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I'm one of your hosts Misha,
Tyler 00:40
and I am one of your other hosts the only other hosts Tyler,
Misha 00:45
I losing my mind.
Tyler 00:47
It happens. Hey, it happens. It's a zany time. And today we are talking about 1942's. Bambi
Misha 00:57
Bambi!
Tyler 00:59
The classic Bambi. Oh, controversial. Bambi.
Misha 01:03
What?
Tyler 01:04
Well, we'll get into it. It was controversial at the time.
Misha 01:07
And yeah, only in Nazi Germany.
Tyler 01:10
Ah, well, no,
Misha 01:12
That's what I read. Why was it controversial?
Tyler 01:15
It was controversial Nazi Germany?
Misha 01:17
Oh, yeah. Because the, the nope, I'm thinking of the book because I read - Forget it. The movie was not the movie was not controversial. The book that it's based on was banned in Ger- in Nazi Germany and why was abandoned Nazi Germany. The author is Jewish. And that's what Hitler or Nazis were like, "Oh, this is clearly an allegory for like Jews and Nazis". And, like, this is not okay. It's like, um, it's just a deer.
Tyler 01:49
Gonna say I thought like, Hitler might have liked it because he was a vegetarian. But
Misha 01:55
yeah,
Tyler 01:56
but yeah, if if the hunter slash writer because the hunter was a writer was also a hunter. Apparently, he was a Jew then-
Misha 02:03
Wait. the writer was a hunter?!
Tyler 02:06
That's what I saw on Wikipedia. Yeah.
Misha 02:08
Okay, that doesn't make any fucking sense.
Tyler 02:12
Well, maybe. I don't know. Maybe it's like, Hey, we're
Misha 02:15
self hating Hunter.
Tyler 02:17
Yeah, maybe I gotta do this to like, get food for my family. But I'm like,
Misha 02:21
No, that does not come across. I'm not so whatever.
Tyler 02:25
Well, I'm not saying like in the movie or the book, obviously. But like, maybe that's his perspective. Like, I gotta do this to feed my family. But like, I loves those deers. And I wish I could a be one of them. I don't know.
Misha 02:39
That's fucking weird.
Tyler 02:40
I don't I didn't read the books. I don't know. Like,
Misha 02:42
I did not either.
Tyler 02:43
I didn't. I don't know. Like, I think it's like Pretty. Pretty much like the movie. I think it's like, like a you know, like, like, Jungle Book. Like it's it's just like in the in the forest. And
Misha 02:54
yeah, yes,
Tyler 02:54
man is
Misha 02:55
That's what I read
Tyler 02:56
man is just like an unspoken Lovecraftian Horror. Yeah.
Misha 03:00
Cut all their dicks off. Yeah. That is the motto
Tyler 03:07
that includes me,
Misha 03:08
of my life of my life guru. My friend, Caity's Mom, Kathy would always say that when we were in high school growing up whenever she would hear any man doing anything that they shouldn't be doing. "Cut all their dicks off." And I was like, I like this. Yeah, I can get behind.
Tyler 03:25
As far as mantras, go, you know, not a bad one.
Misha 03:28
She's married to a man still the same man. Still in a good relationship.Yeah.
Tyler 03:34
Good.
Misha 03:35
So you know, and she has children from that dick. So anyway.
Tyler 03:41
Yeah, I mean, hindsight is 2020. So you know,
Misha 03:43
Se still says it.
Tyler 03:45
Right? Yeah.
Misha 03:47
You know? Yeah,
Tyler 03:48
She knows. Yeah, well, yeah. Well, I'll just say now the reason it was controversial was because hunters in America were like, "This movie's fucking bullshit."
Misha 03:58
Oh, they're assholes. Whatever. I still, like fucking lost my mind during this movie.
Tyler 04:04
It was like the first movie that was not, quote, unquote, like fantasy. So it was like, "why is Disney trying to do like realism? Fuck that."
Misha 04:13
Wait wait wait. You said the first movie...
Tyler 04:16
First Disney film that was like, because
Misha 04:18
No, I know, but oh, I mean, how many were there before that it 1942. Snow White was '37.
Tyler 04:24
it was Snow White. Pinocchio. Fantasia.
Misha 04:30
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
Tyler 04:31
Pinocchio was 1940.
Tyler 04:33
Holy shit,
Tyler 04:33
I just looked I just looked this up more recently.
Misha 04:35
Pinocchio feels so much newer.
Tyler 04:39
I haven't. I haven't seen in so long. I don't I don't know.
Misha 04:42
I think I watched it recently because it's scary as fuck. But anyway,
Tyler 04:45
It seems ancient to me, but it was like, Yeah, Snow White. Pinocchio, Fantasia. I didn't remember the Fantasia was that old.
Misha 04:53
Neither did I.
Tyler 04:54
Reluctant dragon I want to say but I don't remember if that was actually a film or not. Dumbo and then Bambi.
Misha 05:01
Wow, they squeezed in a lot in those 5 years.
Tyler 05:05
in the war. Yeah. Yeah. And that was all like World War II.
Misha 05:09
I wrote Snow White and then what Bambi?
Tyler 05:14
And all of those movies like didn't, with the exception of maybe Snow White like did not do well because it was like fucking World War Two, right so nobody was gonna see those films or I mean not many people not as many as right obviously because people were making bullets and
Misha 05:28
my dad saw Bambi he was born in 1943. And he did see it in theaters. I don't know how they probably just, you know, old timey movies just playing the same things over and over again or whatever for a long time now like we do now or you three months or get out.
Tyler 05:44
Well, I mean, like I went like, I mean, or the George Lucas this thing where rerelease a releases with new garbage footage. Yeah.
Misha 05:54
But he saw Bambi when he was a kid, and cried so much. And they he couldn't stop that. He told me they had to stop the movie.
Tyler 06:05
Really? Oh, that's so
Misha 06:08
good. Like, he was like, that shows you like how long I mean, my dad's old. But you know, sort of the times where they would be like, Oh, this boy's crying. Let's stop the movie. Like the film projector and whatever.
Tyler 06:22
Nevermind. I told you about my honey. I Shrunk the Kids moment, right. So when I was a kid, I was in first grade. difficult time in my life. Parents had just gotten divorced moved in with my aunt in North Carolina and my grandma North Carolina wasn't happy. Anyway, we went to see Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. I'm giving that preamble because I feel like a lot of emotions were going on. But anyway, I watched Honey I Shrunk the Kids in the theater with my siblings and Mike
Misha 06:52
glad you gave that preamble because it's not that emotional of a movie well oh when it
Tyler 06:58
when Auntie gets killed by scorpions? Yeah, I stood up in the theater crying screaming no Auntie don't die like screaming at the theater. My aunt grabbed my ear and yanked me out of the
Misha 07:08
theater shit. Tyler, this is the same thing I had with cheetah which I realized doesn't hold up.
Tyler 07:15
I highly doubt Honey, I Shrunk the Kids holds up.
Misha 07:18
I think it holds up more than cheetah but I want so when I watched cheetah I freaked out when the cheetah doesn't even die. They're just like buy go live in the wild. And I was like, Oh no. Oh, no, no, no, no. Like, you're just saying goodbye to your best friend. I've lost my mind. started crying hysterically. I was with my aunt. She started yelling at me in the theater to basically shut up because she's like, she loves yelling at us now still and yells at everybody all the time. Yeah, same thing and I had to like she tried calming me down. I was just like hyperventilating scream. Yeah, and she didn't didn't even die. Yeah.
Tyler 07:58
Look, you know, kids, our kids are emotional beings. And I mean,
Misha 08:03
I remember are emotional beings. We just have been taught to suppress them as
Tyler 08:07
kids are small people. That's right. But yeah, the your cheetahs story and my Honey, I Shrunk the Kids story. And your dad's for remind relates
Misha 08:16
to Bambi because I definitely did that at home watching the other night.
Tyler 08:20
Bambi Yeah, definitely traumatize us. Like, some some. I mean, not recently, but as a kid that did. And I then I grew out of it. And I started I remember not liking it anymore. And then I haven't seen it since I was maybe 12 or something. Like, we're watching it. I was like, I'm done with this movie. This movie sucks. I'm a teen now. I play Magic the Gathering.
Misha 08:45
My sister watch her Risa lane. She was like this sucks. This movie sucks so much bullshit. I'm like, why? And she was like the plot. There's no plot it fucking sucks. I'm
Tyler 08:54
fucking straight up. This movie is amazing.
Misha 08:58
I know. That's what I sent her. I go I texted her. I was like, Okay, I get what you're saying about the plot. But like you're absolutely wrong about everything else. So let's get into it.
Tyler 09:07
Yeah, like yeah, we'll get in I'll explain the reasons I love it. Yeah. You want to give a summary of the Sure. Somewhat flimsy
Misha 09:16
plot? Yeah, Bambi is born. His mom gets shot he grows up
Tyler 09:23
which happens by the way the the mom death happens much later in the movie
Misha 09:27
than I thought right? I agree. I thought yes same I thought it was early I thought the first round of shots was going to kill it yeah
Tyler 09:34
that's I was thinking the same thing yeah
Misha 09:35
and then I was like oh my god she survived and then they I okay we're gonna get into this with the story because fuck
Tyler 09:41
will actually before we jump into like the actually finished this summer Yeah,
Misha 09:45
okay. He banks Faline they have a baby the end? Yeah, pretty much it right much it pretty much it's about like you make some two legged friends which are very important his his friends are very Very important. So I do want to say this movie is great. It has everything a movie needs other than plot. It has everything. It's like it has drama. It has comedy. It has romance. It has action. It's horror. It's horny as fuck. It's horny as fuck. Yeah, it is so horny. Could this be the horniest Disney movie? You
Tyler 10:22
think I'm trying to think of another contender?
Misha 10:25
I mean, no other movie is is twitterpated is this?
Tyler 10:29
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a plot device is like, chicken. Let me talk about erections for a moment. You're gonna see a girl and you're gonna want to follow puberty.
Misha 10:38
Yeah,
Tyler 10:41
I mean, puberty, but like, it's
Misha 10:43
not about sex. This movie is about sex. It's great. Yeah. Like, this is what they should show in sex ed? Well, but it's not okay.
Tyler 10:54
I don't know if I go that far.
Misha 10:55
I agree. Because I do have opinions. I have thoughts about flower.
Tyler 11:03
Okay, I think I know we're gonna go with that. Before we get into that, for those that maybe haven't listened to our other episodes, welcome to the program. So hello, everybody. Oh, everybody. So as Misha said we in the beginning we we rate these movies and we rate them on different cattle? Yeah.
Misha 11:20
What are we doing here? So.
Tyler 11:24
So yeah, the categories are originality, story, animation, music and sound protagonist, sidekick villain henchmen strong female lead bipoc representation slash portrayal and fun factor. And then we have some like, minus points where if it doesn't sit right, and bonus points for effervescence, which basically just translates to that special Disney Janessa quoi magic? Do you want to go in order? Or do you want to jump around? It doesn't really matter to me.
Misha 11:55
Let's start with originality since we're sort of talking about the novel anyway.
Tyler 12:01
Yeah. So obviously not original. It's based on a novel. Originally, MGM, as far as I remember, bought the rights and they were going to make like a live action movie. But that turned out to be too difficult. So then, like Disney was like, Yo, let me get on this. Yeah. And the animators were like, straight up. This is a cool idea. But let's be really good about it. Because our deer in Snow White looks like fucking dope boys. I don't remember the exact quote. But they were like, We got to do some research, which they did. And the deer and the animals look great, I think but can Yeah. I want to get into it back to originality. Yeah.
Misha 12:40
Not original based off like it's called Bambi and into the forest. Bambi in the woods, or is that what it's called?
Tyler 12:50
No, I'm just saying that because like, sometime
Misha 12:54
Oh, right into the woods. Yeah, yeah. Well, life in the woods, Bambi a life in the woods.
Tyler 13:01
Okay, so here. Okay, so, it's so what are we going to give it here? It's not as it's not as unoriginal as a christmas carol and Alice in Wonderland. It's not as unoriginal as Atlantis. As far as like, the, the is completely unoriginal. Yeah. But I'm, what I'm getting at is like, do we want to give it a want or not?
Misha 13:27
Why it's just a cartoon version of the book. Yeah.
Tyler 13:31
Yeah. So it doesn't bring it in a new direction. Like Atlantis does with that, right? Yeah, with Atlantis. So one just big, big old. Yeah,
Misha 13:38
it's just a cartoon version. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, fine, which I didn't know until five minutes before we started recording it. This. I was just like, oh, yeah, it's totally original. Yeah. And right. And then why would I say that?
Tyler 13:51
For all the listeners? Yeah. The R and Tyler is the r&d department for most.
Misha 13:59
Like on Wikipedia,
Tyler 14:00
right? Yeah. It's just me frantically looking at. Yeah. Me too. Me too.
Misha 14:07
Hashtag. Tyler. You can't say me too.
Tyler 14:11
Right. It's kidding. No, chastened?
Misha 14:17
No. But this is like the first time I've ever done any kind of research. And I learned this three minutes before we started recording.
Tyler 14:26
Well, to be fair, you're the one that usually handles the voice acting bipoc representation, like you deep dive into like who's involved in the movie? So we
Misha 14:35
need to talk about that.
Tyler 14:37
Well, I have a I don't know if you noticed, but like there's a there's a great positive in that category. But we'll get there.
Misha 14:44
Didn't notice. It. looked it up. What did I miss? We'll get there. Okay.
Tyler 14:49
We'll get there later. Sometime later in the I mean, we could jump there now, but we might have told this
Misha 14:54
story first.
Tyler 14:55
Okay. So with the story so convener, your sister He hates the story or he hates it. Well, there
Misha 15:03
there is. No, there's not really a story. He grows
Tyler 15:06
up he meets friends. He learns about the dangers of the world and the delights of the world. He learns about the changing seasons what that means he loses his
Misha 15:14
mother's that winter scene.
Tyler 15:17
There's, there's a lot of story in there.
Misha 15:20
Okay, you're right. It's like, you're right there is
Tyler 15:23
this like, this is like the slowest and shortest movie at the same.
Misha 15:27
Okay? There's like, not that much happens. But it is the most intense
Tyler 15:34
throughout the same time. There's like so many parts that are just incredibly slow and nothing's really happening. Yes, in in a way. That's what I fucking loved about it. Like it was. The intense moments are great. But what I liked about it the most is like,
Misha 15:47
it's it's beautiful. Yeah, it's
Tyler 15:50
beautiful. And I mean, I'm just a fan. Like, I, I've, I'm just a fan of like glacially slow movies that are like, beautiful and meditative. Like, I'm a huge fan of like, so I don't want to get too
Misha 16:02
well. That's why nervous, but the ring is my favorite of the three
Tyler 16:08
world books. The books are the films, the films. For me, the book fellowship, the ring is my favorite, too, because it's the world building and building the creeping dread. And I think to be honest, like the Yeah, the film is my favorite. But as you know, I'm not I know.
Misha 16:25
It looks hands down, or like infinitely better than the movies. Right? Yes.
Tyler 16:31
I love the world building. Yes. Beautiful. Make it's like so immersive like I don't. Yeah, when it's done. Well, it's amazing. And I feel like that's what this is. Yeah, exactly. It reminded me of like, some, like, movies from like, East Asian cinema that I really, really love or directors working there that are really great. Yeah, so I mean, but it has a story. It's just, it's just meditative. And it's slow and doesn't. It takes its time, even though it's only like a little over an hour. It takes its sweet time. Nice. And it's not a movie that okay. I feel like it's not a movie. I don't think it's the point. The story is not the point. Yeah, but I don't think there's I don't think it's like a horrible story. Like, I don't think it's as bad of a story is like Atlantis is story. For example, the closest movies to this that we've already looked at is the other oldie that we've watched, which is Alice in Wonderland, where like, it's the spectacle rather than like Switek like the meat of the plot, and we gave Alice wonderland of five and personally,
Misha 17:34
I think this story is a little better.
Tyler 17:37
Agree. Exactly. That's
Misha 17:38
what let's go with a six.
Tyler 17:40
Yeah, final me. Okay. It's not as like exciting. The story with a lot happening is like A Bug's Life or Goofy, right? But it's right. It's, um, yeah, it's a good solid story. And there's like, growth and change and stuff. Yeah. Family changes. Animation is the next category. And I always
Misha 17:57
say I'm gonna put it out there just fucking gets a 10
Tyler 18:02
i Okay, I I agree. I gave it
Misha 18:06
a 10 over and over again. I think this my wish. Yeah. We gave Alice in Wonderland a 10. Now that we're watching this, I wish we gave Alice in Wonderland a nine and this a 10
Tyler 18:18
to be honest. Yeah, that was a contentious 10 I was grumbling about that. I think
Misha 18:22
we should change Alison Wonderland to a nine and give this a 10. I am. Yeah. Oh, away. I think we need to retcon is
Tyler 18:33
that what I mean? But Alison Wonderland animation is great. But it's just like, bam Bs is, is I
Misha 18:38
made? Like I drew I tried drought drying the mind blown emoji and it looks like garbage. But like, holy fuck is this. It's like, this is this is it? This is what animators can do. Like, this is the bar.
Tyler 18:57
And I think like, that's how I feel. Yeah, and this is really them. Like we talked about Alice in Wonderland, like the beginning with the babbling brook and stuff. It's just, there's so many scenes in that movie where the animators or the animators are just like flexing their fucking muscles, but
Misha 19:14
like, every single bit of this is that
Tyler 19:18
yeah, it's that plus it's just it's not just them, like, looking at like showing what they can do. But it's just like every thing is everything's a masterpiece.
Misha 19:27
Yes, yes, every scene lighting, the lighting and all of the different I mean, I just wrote the 3d opening they fucking made the forest as you're introduced as you're brought into the forest that 3d Like with just I mean, holy shit was that
Tyler 19:45
I did think that went on a bit too long, especially because I only an hour but and also because like, we'll get
Misha 19:54
that I didn't even care how long
Tyler 19:56
it was. Yeah.
Misha 19:57
A couple of little like, oh, Go ahead.
Tyler 20:00
No, no, go go.
Misha 20:02
I'm just gonna say the movements. Yeah, all of the animals was so incredible that they could get like, they had Bambi walking as a baby next to the quail, and they're so different. They're so physically different and they were both done at like, the highest score you could give them right like in one shared scene.
Tyler 20:24
Incredible. Yeah, there's a couple like, like when when Bambi is like, trying to stand up and some burrs like walking around him and helping him that did look a little janky to me like they put some paper in but it wasn't enough to take me out of it. I just was being like super focused and notice it. Like everything is just so beautiful the house the mice
Misha 20:48
with the with the little raindrop, I lost my mind.
Tyler 20:52
The duck mother when it's like I wrote
Misha 20:55
that I in all caps that waddling duck, but was so cute and
Tyler 20:59
good. The raccoons like cleaning their children after escaping the fire. And like all these like beautiful little touches, it was like, honestly, like the Yeah, the most beautiful love letter to fuck those hunters who hated this movie or whatever, like fuck them, because this movie is like, Absolutely, yes. Gorgeous. It has it sounds nice, which we'll get to. But this was, I think animation deserves a 10. I don't know if we need to bring Alison Wonderland down. But we can because I think Bambi is better. Frankly.
Misha 21:33
I do too. I think Bambi is way better.
Tyler 21:36
I think we should give it a nine. Yeah. Because changing it is it looks amazing. But if you've never seen Bambi, let me tell you like yeah, just if you hate slow movies or whatever, just remember a it's only an hour and be it's worth it to see like basically a just a moving painting. That is absolutely,
Misha 21:54
yes. Yeah, that's what it is. It's so beautiful. And really the the movement of the animals. I just was so impressed. And then actually when we got here, so I'm on vacation, and it's awesome. Just for a few nights. And there's this field across the street from where we're staying. And yesterday, we saw deer yesterday evening, and they turned towards us and their ears moved out to the side. And I was like, Oh my God. They did it correctly with Bambi i Oh, okay, this part I just amazing. So when Bambi and the great prince of the forest meet for the first time, and Bambi is like looking at him. And he looks to Bambi and only his ears move forward. Hello, good. So good. Yeah. Can we talk about the great prince of the forest? Yeah, sure. He is so hunky although he's a hunk. His eyes are a little bit dopey at some point where it's like Oh, I'm a big like Goofy cartoon but like, oh my god, that big broad chest.
Tyler 23:02
Yeah. The eyes of a couple characters a bit weird. Like like thumpers change from like yellow to red. And the mother's eyes in the beginning when Bambi is born are a bit weird looking but not enough to detract from the animation. But yeah, the prince is a honk. I mean, Bambi Bambi is a hunk when he grows up. Print the print the print, dad, dad basically the great prints is the dad. So I wasn't sure
Misha 23:26
if that was a metaphorical son.
Tyler 23:29
Like oh, no, no great prints. Be fucking everybody.
Misha 23:33
That's what I thought to like, oh, cuz he's that like, also right? Like, yeah, okay, I thought that too. But then I was like, Oh, I'm not.
Tyler 23:41
I don't actually know anything about like, how what the whole deer? Is it like lions, where there's sort of like an alpha male. I'm not really sure. But I get the sense that yeah, the great prince is such a fucking stud. That's like, the proper use of the term stud, right? I think is instead like a, just a hunky horse or something. What is a stud? Or it's a hunky horse, isn't it? Oh, God, what is it? Here? I'll
Misha 24:08
look up the definition. The mean, stud hunky horse. You're correct. Stud horse. A male animal kept for breeding a young man. Okay, so the arrival there. It was
Tyler 24:24
kind of close.
Misha 24:26
I mean, promiscuous. A group of animals, especially horses kept primarily for breeding. Yeah, I would say that a breeding animal.
Tyler 24:36
Yeah, but he's Yeah, he's he's he is DTF as far as deer go,
Misha 24:41
I mean, I am after watching this movie. I was
Tyler 24:45
I was wondering when it would we would get into the near the murky area of like, animals that are hunky or hot like, Oh, okay. Because like Robin for example, we've talked about this. I think before I can't remember like, you know, Robin Hood made Marian Both
Misha 25:02
personality. Holy shit. He's a hunk. Um, so actually right before I watched Bambi like an hour before I watched Bambi I watched some sparrows fucking right near my head. And I was like, and then I watched this and I was like, oh my god that bird scene that's exactly what I just watched in real life. Oh yeah, in our yard. All these fucking birds are twitterpated right now. It's crazy. They're so loud.
Tyler 25:28
Next to music and sound.
Misha 25:32
Oh my god. So high up there. I didn't like the singing parts.
Tyler 25:39
I hate the beginning song and I personally kind of liked the drip drip drop little April showers songs still. Yeah, it didn't ruin it for me. And then the song like, in the in the like, Can you feel the love tonight seen with Faline and Bambi the singing comes back. I fucking hated that, too.
Misha 26:04
I didn't. Yeah, I didn't like the ones where people were singing with it, like the lyrics that much I loved. But the rest of it was so good. Yeah. And the whole thing was just orchestral. Is that he said?
Tyler 26:18
Yeah, I mean, yeah, like, what's
Misha 26:20
the correct term for no words? No singing? Score. Just a score score.
Tyler 26:25
Yeah, however, I will disagree with you there. Yes, I agree that those those songs were bad and I will accept that drip drip drop little April showers is not a failure. Not a banger probably could go. However, in the score in the orchestral score. The use of human voice is fucking incredible. Yes. Okay. We're like oohs and ahhs. Sounds like the storm is coming. We're Yeah. credible. Yes.
Misha 26:52
So that's, I liked all of that. To me. That's like using your voice as an instrument rather than a song right? Does that like yeah, that's what I mean. Like,
Tyler 27:02
yeah, it's a score. That sounds Yeah, like when, for example, like, Toy Story or Bug's Life, like the scores one thing and then they've got the original songs or whatever, like Randy Newman, like pooping on right?
Misha 27:13
Yes.
Tyler 27:15
I, you know, without those without those symbols
Misha 27:19
crashing during the lightning, and when the deer were launching off the rock, or the like drips of water and like, the sound of the snow plopping was so good yeah, I really loved it.
Tyler 27:35
This that sentence is funny the sound of the snow plops, you know, but it's like this. We've talked about that we've, we've both complained about this a lot how like the score needs to match the scene and like the the emotions, this movie does that perpetuate the silliness of Thumper, the coquettish like by curious flower.
Misha 27:58
Okay, catfish made me really hungry for potato croquettes.
Tyler 28:02
I'm sorry. Man, I haven't had those in a while.
Misha 28:08
Here. It's like an Italian thing where you have like, yeah, and they're like, kind of cheesy author. So good.
Tyler 28:15
Oh, yeah, they have them here. But they're basically just mushy tater tots. They're not. They have them in. It's like a classic sort of like, bar plate thing. You get them with like onion rings, and like wheat sticks. mozzarella sticks, weird. And Turkey. They have these like little hot dogs that are splayed open, and they look like a tremor from the movie tremors that are gross. I mean, the music
Misha 28:40
just talked about story and we glossed over the biggest parts of the story.
Tyler 28:45
I thought we were gonna get there later with like the character parts. Oh, sure. I mean, yeah, we can get to that. Now let's let's give music and sound a score. And then we can talk about the pivotal traumatic moment that scarred a bunch of
Misha 29:00
kids give it an eight or nine. I haven't decided I'm
Tyler 29:05
here's my thinking if it weren't for that beginning song. And that can end that song. That's like, you know, the older version of can you feel the love tonight? I would give this a 10 Me too. But because of those songs, I would bring it down to an eight because those songs stand out too much. I do. Yeah. I want to give it a nine but I think those songs are the movies not that long. And honestly that beginning with that stupid Love Song of the beginning goes on goes on for like nine minutes or something. So it's like
Misha 29:34
God. Okay, so let's give it an EIGHT.
Tyler 29:36
Yeah, I want to give it more but but yeah, but yeah, like the way that the score was used, like as part of the film was just absolute genius. It really was. Um, yeah, let's before we get onto protagonist and side kicks and all that. Let's talk about the big the big scene. The big The mom dies. Okay, which they were planning on, like actually animating, but then they decided they did it. I think it's more impactful the way they did it.
Misha 30:12
Okay, there is. I'm so upset, because I was like, Okay, I know she's gonna die. I know it's coming. Steve was like, Misha, I can't believe you're gonna you have all people are gonna watch this movie. There was so much pause. Okay, so when she doesn't get shot during the first gunshots, I was like, Okay, I'm confused. I don't know what's going to happen because I didn't really remember this movie that well. I was like, I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm confused. How long do I have to wait a while for a short movie? But okay, I hate winter so much. They really did an amazing job of making you hate winter. It was so sad when he's hungry. I was so sad for him and his mom, just like this is the most miserable thing when they're walking through the snow the blizzard slowly and hunched. I mean, my heart was broken before she even died just having to deal with winter these poor animals. Then they're like, it's okay. It's spring. We're gonna there's grass and hope and they fucking kill her. Right when they're just trying to get something to eat after starving for so long and they don't even get to finish eating.
Tyler 31:36
It's it's totally it's weird to think of that from like, the human perspective because you're like, what fucking Hunter is out there and like two foot high snow waiting till he sees a goddamn deer. What? Frozen? Yeah, what
Misha 31:52
are they gonna get from a starving deer? I hate Yeah,
Tyler 31:57
it doesn't really it doesn't really like logically maybe this
Misha 32:01
is why the hunters didn't like it because one don't hunters not shoot dough goes dough.
Tyler 32:07
I think there's that. I mean, yeah, if we try to if we try to like, look at holidays. Look at it from their perspective. Yeah, like I think that's one thing. Also, the the hunters in this movie were to pardon the pun but fucking buck wild because like, they in the first scene when they're in the everyone's running got
Misha 32:26
some Blaze. They're shooting at everything they shot out of God.
Tyler 32:29
Like chipmunk or whatever. Fucking quail? Oh, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, when the quail is like, like, she's
Misha 32:36
so anxious and I was like, I'm gonna barf. I'm gonna barf. I'm gonna barf while she's like freaking out and anxious. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no no. Like I was with I was right with her and I was like, Stay Stay Stay Stay stay. Oh, is for
Tyler 32:48
that part was more now and earlier more traumatic than the mom. As far as as far as I agree. But honestly, I agree. I don't remember the early days of watch movie very well. Let's fall Yeah, that Yeah, exactly.
Misha 33:01
I did not remember that scene. That was very traumatic. She was so anxious. Yeah,
Tyler 33:10
I think yeah, I can now that we're now that we're getting into it, I think I can understand why hunters were a bit like offended and angry about it. But
Misha 33:19
maybe stop hunting and then you won't have to be offended but also
Tyler 33:22
Yeah, like it's really sorry, but it's really grotesque to like in autumn seeing you have a dead deer splayed on your on your fucking truck driving home. Yeah, we can get into all that, I suppose. But like the trophy if I can, but that's a different podcast. Yeah, exactly. We don't have time for but but it's, and then there's the argument. Again, not trying to get too far into this. But the one argument I've heard for the counter argument is like, well, overpopulation of deer are bad for the environment, too. I don't know. But we
Misha 33:54
shouldn't get rid of the large carnivores and the predators and then we wouldn't have to do it ourselves to kill the deer if we just had fucking wolves and other Keystone predators around it wouldn't need to be the deer would need to be hunted by humans. Anyway, yeah, God like fucking balance in nature. We don't just shoot everything. Yeah, I'm with you. Too many humans and we're also gradients EMH tmH
Tyler 34:25
Yeah, so Rama and other part of the another part that we kind of skipped over when and this gets back into the like, how fucking insane like, like insane snipers these hunters are is like Bambi runs and jumps over like a cliff and gets shot midair. Like this is goddamn like Enemy at the Gates or something like they take about in mid air like as he's running. It's insane. And also, Bambi is like suddenly fine shot and then his dad tells him to get up and he's okay. That's also weird, but that's in the book.
Misha 34:57
There are shot and he Like recovers over time, but they couldn't fit it in a movie. That's an hour and 10 minutes long.
Tyler 35:05
Yeah. But yeah, well, protagonist, okay. He's okay. Yeah, I
Misha 35:15
you know, he's like every other Yeah, I like every other character better I think
Tyler 35:21
it Bambi is like there to allow the audience to, like, experience him learning about stuff but he's more of a passive actor until he's like, standing up for his horniness and fights that deer to get Faline but
Misha 35:38
right, because that other deer was being mean to Faline
Tyler 35:41
Oh, yeah, he was gonna Yeah, he was gonna rent her, right? Yeah, right, right, her. Yeah. And it's the animal word for rape, isn't it? Is it? I could be wrong again. I got I got stuck wrong. I probably got this one isn't the majority of animal setting male animals such as deer are in a period of sexual excitement and activity.
Misha 36:04
So well. Bambi, rutted. Faline. consensually, consensually?
Tyler 36:12
That's the thing. Yeah. So red does not mean right. You're right. I just wanted to use a cool word. Okay. But if I use it incorrectly, then shame on me. This is that oh my god. Remember when the rap podcast where I had to feel ashamed.
Misha 36:29
I just want to say I just remember it. Do you remember the raccoons when they were wet? The wet raccoons. Do you remember that part?
Tyler 36:36
Like after the fires when they were cleaning their children rain?
Misha 36:42
Was there Right? Yeah. After the fire
Tyler 36:45
came out of the field. They come out of the river ruining the
Misha 36:47
forest. Yeah, they come out of the river and they're all wet and sloppy. Oh my god, they were so cute and said, Yeah, I just want a raccoon and I want to give it a bath. A big fat raccoon. And then feed it some hot dogs
Tyler 37:01
a big chunk, chunky boy.
Misha 37:05
Where are we
Tyler 37:09
then be the protagonist. I think like okay, it'll like like five five. Yeah.
Misha 37:14
Okay. I'm going to say. Yeah, let's he wasn't obnoxious though. I think it was. Aladdin got a six and you had beef with Aladdin.
Tyler 37:25
I have a lot of beef with Aladdin. But I don't know. Like Bambi. Bambi worse. Bambi is not like an active protagonist for like, I don't know, like, and the only change he goes through is like growing up. I don't know. He just it's not very interesting as a main character. Let's just give him a five then. Yeah, Aladdin at least like real fucks up. The Fox up tries to save as
Misha 37:50
helps the genie. No, it's just out of convenience.
Tyler 37:54
No, in the end, it's not he could have not in the end. He does it out of France after he gets everything he wants. He does. But that's why that's why we padded I think a little bit is because, like in the end does the right thing. So
Misha 38:07
I hate the in the end does the right thing. Just do the right thing all the time? I mean, anyway, yeah. Okay. Let's go to side kicks
Tyler 38:16
side kicks Thumper and flower. Yeah, flower was always my favorite.
Misha 38:22
Let's Okay, let's do Love flower. Can we? i Okay. Did you think at the beginning and throughout the majority of this movie, did you think flower was gay?
Tyler 38:33
I thought flower was bi because he so I thought flower
Misha 38:36
was gay until he meets the girl skunk? Who we're assuming is a girl skunk. Yeah, we don't have a baby at the end.
Tyler 38:45
They do any names at Bambi? Oh, yeah. Right. Okay. Which is so sweet. Yeah,
Misha 38:50
so cute little baby, you know? Flower definitely was crushing hard on baby. And I do think it would be cute if the two of them got together.
Tyler 38:58
We're like, Yeah, it would be cute, but just completely impossible and 1942. But yeah, it
Misha 39:07
was so cute flower really liked him. It was so sweet.
Tyler 39:10
Yeah. That was actually one of my least favorite parts of the movie. When once they get twitterpated. And they just leave each other like Thumper walks off with but
Misha 39:19
that's what would that that's what like teens do when they're in like post puberty. Yeah. So we all get back together at the end when the new prince was born. So they all still live near each other. We don't even have that.
Tyler 39:33
The Bambi is not always them. No, Bambi is a sentinel in the night with his dad now I
Misha 39:38
know. I know.
Tyler 39:40
So what do you think about side kicks?
Misha 39:43
I would love to talk about wait. Well, we haven't talked about Thumper.
Tyler 39:48
Okay, you got some things to say about Thumper.
Misha 39:51
Okay, I have a lot of things to say. I love Thumper. He's hilarious. I cracked up so much With dumper when the second time when his mom's like Thumper, and he's like, Yes, Mama, and she goes, What did your father say? Any what? About hot,
Tyler 40:11
but the one tooth
Misha 40:15
He's so funny. I really love Thumper. He's hilarious. He's just like, he's so funny. I love that character. And then when he becomes a teenager and his whiskers are just more pronounced like icky teenage boy mustache that is like sparse, like I could see. He's so perfect, pubescent boy,
Tyler 40:41
yeah, I hated his voice.
Misha 40:43
I did too. But what teenage boy like yeah, voice isn't like that
Tyler 40:49
sounded I don't know if it's the same voice actor. I forgot to look that up. But it sounded like someone from Pinocchio, like one of the kids from that island. Oh, yes. Like that weird like the teenager. That sounds like a 1940s like newspaperman like Hey. Yeah, exactly. Like one of those bad boys. Yeah. Yeah, but I love Thumper Thumper is like, the comedic side.
Misha 41:14
So normally, I like not always crazy about that, because it's feels kind of forced, but I really love Thumper.
Tyler 41:20
Yeah, and he's not like he's not there and if they were going to make the squirrel in the chipmunk at that show up in the beginning, they were going to make them like a Laurel and Hardy type comedic. Oh, which they eventually got rid of. Yeah, smartly. Good.
Misha 41:34
So and Thumper was helpful like he was helping Bambi I really, I think it should get a high score.
Tyler 41:42
Yeah, they're great. They're not like sort of your traditional side kicks but they're they're good. They're they're lovely characters I wanted honestly, I wanted more of them. But I wanted to I wanted to hang out with flower some more like he's just such a sweet
Misha 41:56
soul. Oh, yeah. Yes. I like them both. What what do you think like a seven?
Tyler 42:03
Yeah, I think that's good. I don't think like as good as like the genie as iconic or I mean, they are super iconic. But right. Like not quite Genie level, like the the theater troupe, the circus troupe and A Bug's Life but But up there for sure.
Misha 42:21
Yeah. Yeah, villain.
Tyler 42:26
All right. Is man. This man. Capital M Yeah. Yeah. Fuck.
Misha 42:31
I mean, the worst. The worst villain of all time in real life.
Tyler 42:37
So yeah, so how many
Misha 42:41
how many villains straight up murder multiple characters? Yeah,
Tyler 42:48
I'm trying to think of another
Misha 42:50
carry the dogs they when they released the dogs that should scary.
Tyler 42:55
Yeah. I'm trying to think gunshots were scary. The only other movie that we've seen that had like, death really was Atlantis, which had a lot of it. But that's so much a different style. But I mean, this is this is a weird category.
Misha 43:13
Right? Because it's not you know, while you do kind of see them sitting around the campfire.
Tyler 43:17
Not really, though. I mean, it's so far away. I know who's actually see them there. You see people them sitting.
Misha 43:26
Good if they're out moving. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong and just imagined a bunch of men who I wanted to seek revenge.
Tyler 43:36
Yeah, the weird thing is like this is not ever going to win like iconic villain. Award. Correct. corrode? It's like scary. Yeah, great. It's like a, like I said, sort of off the cuff early like this, like unseen. Horror is scary.
Misha 43:53
I'm actually glad they didn't show any faces because it makes it really scary. Yeah,
Tyler 44:00
I want to, like ever present looming danger. Yeah, it would have been worse if and they've considered this. They were considering like animating the humans but they decided not to. And again, smart choice. I want to give this a high score. I'm just sort of on the fence about how high Yeah, because it's like, a excellent villain. But at the same time, is it like, on the level of like, I don't know, like our best villain and so far, at least as far as our ratings concern is like Hopper from Bug's Life, like a presence on screen.
Misha 44:38
Maybe like a seven?
Tyler 44:39
I don't know. I mean, like, part of me wants to go higher than that. Like part of me wants to stay here. Yeah, part of me wants to say like, this is this is like, the best Disney villain so far. But I'm on the fence about that a little bit like wow, because it's scary. It It's visceral and dangerous and could be anywhere burns down the goddamn forest. But on the other hand, when
Misha 45:11
they burn down the forest,
Tyler 45:12
but on the other hand, it's like higher. Let's give it an EIGHT. Yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe that's the way to do it. Like just tie it with Hopper because it's not the same like with the soliloquy hoppers, got the hoppers got that soliloquy, and he's got that like, the
Misha 45:24
other thing is, Hopper loses at
Misha 45:27
the end. Yeah. And man doesn't.
Misha 45:31
Yeah, this is right. So we have all these other villains where they are defeated in the end, and then here,
Tyler 45:38
they fucking win cutter all or diksa. I mean, I don't eat meat. But there's a difference between what's going on and this how
Misha 45:46
Tyler didn't say anything. after that.
Tyler 45:48
I eat me. There's a dad, he's a man and a man. Yeah, cut my Tikka. There's a difference between.
Misha 45:57
I've never heard that like in response, and that's amazing. Thank you for saying that.
Tyler 46:02
There's a man coming tikka, it does lose something like, you know, it's not an iconic villain, like, like Ursula or like, I love her star Maleficent Maleficent or the Queen and snowwhite. But on the other hand, it's like they're
Misha 46:19
even worse because all of us there's billions of villains just I mean, at the time, I don't know how many humans there were,
Tyler 46:27
but it's just like, it's like an unbeatable villain. And I think like at least it should. I mean, it should be high. I don't know. I like nine. But on the other hand, I'm thinking ahead like Ursula scar.
Misha 46:44
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it should be as high as a nine. I actually think it should be like a seven or an eight.
Tyler 46:48
Okay.
Misha 46:50
I carry because they win. And it's like, I think they burned down the forest.
Tyler 46:56
Burn down the forest. Yeah. And it got I can't remember where I read this. But in my quick research before, recording this like it somewhere, man, the capital M villain, like was listed as one of the top bad guys in film history.
Misha 47:12
Cool. Yeah. So the other thing is an s like we've talked about sort of the difference between like real life hunters and these hunters. Yeah. Oh, they're like killing doze shooting babies. Like waiting for them to like, get their first bite of grass. And then like taking advantage of them. I mean, or like, however, you would say it not taking advantage of that sounds like they're raping them. But like, These are extra baddies.
Tyler 47:45
Right? Yeah. I Yeah. The more we talked about you more, the more it's like, if I were a hunter in the 1940s, like growing up in Vermont, and like, I would Yeah, it'd be like, What the hell that's we're not that horrible. But
Misha 47:59
nowadays, people hunt all the time. And nobody ever self reflects, like, Am I bad for doing this? They're just so yeah. Is that extra bad? Or is that like less bad?
Tyler 48:09
Well, yeah, good. Good question. I mean, like, what we basically got to say is like, the bad guys in this movie are like, the people who like pose with a dead elephant type thing. Oh,
Misha 48:21
bad. Real bad. Yeah, baby. What
Tyler 48:25
if Donald Jr. I want to say or was it maybe
Misha 48:29
dumb fucks okay. Yeah, he's he's this is like level of bad idiots because they're just like, shooting like crazy. And like no souls.
Tyler 48:40
Um, I mean, if we're gonna go between seven and eight, I would, I would say
Misha 48:45
eight. All right, let's give them let's take eight and I think eight is eight for being the worst. But not the worst yet. Or so said anyway,
48:57
henchmen. There are no Hench yarn and they're no henchmen. I don't think the dogs count. So the children it's the offspring of humans. Yeah. before they turn into villains themselves. So I think this is a one. Yeah, the dogs don't count. Yeah.
Tyler 49:13
Next up strong female lead. There isn't one. Okay.
Misha 49:17
I disagree. I know you say that. I disagree. The mother is really she's not a lead she leads Bambi throughout his life or how
Tyler 49:30
solid this okay I mean, we gave a category I disagree.
Misha 49:35
We gave a four right in A Bug's Life. Yeah. To add on what do you give we give we gave
Tyler 49:45
the kind of whatever
Misha 49:46
the score is, we gave we took into consideration that the leader of the call the ant colony, right not necessarily the protagonist, but that they have leading roles in within The story.
Tyler 50:01
Okay, I'm willing to give it some points like for the mom, and all the moms in the movie.
Misha 50:08
Yeah. They're teaching their children. They're leaders in their own life like in their children's lives thumpers mom, you know what, just because you're a mother and maybe you don't have a job tailor doesn't mean you're no less of a leader.
Tyler 50:23
That's not what I'm what other digs have. Sorry. I'm sorry. But I like good. Right. And also, she's in the movie more than I remember
Misha 50:35
a lot. Yeah, I agree. Okay, we should give her some points. All right. It doesn't have to be super high. It could be like a three. But I don't want to give her a one. Because I think she has adds value in a leadership role to baby's life. She teaches them about winter. She teaches him about meadow, right? Yeah. And then also good. Yeah, signed, boy.
Tyler 50:59
Yeah. Yeah. And then also, like thumpers mom has some lessons in there too.
Misha 51:04
Oh, yeah, Thumper. Well, she goes, What did your father say? And I'm like, yeah, just Yeah, yourself. She like loses a point. But no, she doesn't. Maybe. Now I'm talking now we're talking about thumpers mom, like, why can't you just say Listen to me.
Tyler 51:22
It is interesting that well, we don't see a lot. We don't hear a lot of animals. But the animals we do hear it's like the moms with the kids. Yeah, fathers are absent. Yep. Absent. All they do is contribute their wings. Is this an allegory for World War Two? is three, three for strong family. Yes.
Misha 51:45
Yeah. I want to give her some points because she's a good mom. And she leads Bambi and leads him to safety. Hmm. Yeah. With her strength as a female. Yeah.
Tyler 52:01
All right. Out there.
Misha 52:05
All right. Next character. Next category. Oh my god. Sorry.
Tyler 52:13
Presentation.
Misha 52:14
Yeah. Vacation. Sorry, everybody.
Tyler 52:16
Okay, it's Island time somewhere. So, gotta gotta make sure you. Yeah,
Misha 52:23
I'm drinking. Sangria right now can to sangria. So nice. That's vacation a
Tyler 52:29
jealous bipoc representation and portrayal. Take it away
Misha 52:35
with the animals, animals, their animals, non human animals. I don't want to, you know, because we're animals. non human animals. So there's no nothing to report. They're all white. It's 1942.
Tyler 52:54
However, according to Wikipedia,
Misha 52:57
which is about how you say that word,
Tyler 53:00
the word Wikipedia.
Misha 53:02
Yeah, I see it differently. How do you say you've been saying this since the beginning of this podcast? And I never knew this before even though we've been friends forever. You say wiki pedia
Tyler 53:13
What do you say with Wikipedia? Yeah, I definitely say wiki wiki not wicker. Yeah, it's cute. It's also correct but
Misha 53:23
okay. Why would I know how it's pronounced if I'm just wicked? Well, I
Tyler 53:30
hear Yeah.
Misha 53:30
Wait, wait, is there a wicked pedia?
Tyler 53:34
a Wiccan pedia I'm sure there's there's a wicked has. Okay, Kennedy.
Misha 53:39
There's okay. I'm sure Wikimedia Wiccan
Tyler 53:43
Wikipedia wiki. Like without the wiki. Wiki
Misha 53:47
pedia? Yeah, there. It's a book. It's a book. There's no Wikipedia website. Okay, Tyler. Are you allowed to have a website called Wikipedia? I probably been wikipedia.com and see what happens. And porn is gonna pop up. witchy porn, let's say oh, no, don't close it. I don't know what it is weird. things popped up. I don't trust the internet. Okay. What were you say?
Tyler 54:16
So, the art director or the guy that was or one of the artists at the time that worked for the Disney studio, Maurice de Jake de Wait, what's his name is Marie neighs Maurice, Jake in quotes day. He was like doing the sketches of the forest in in the Northeast like Maine and Vermont. And like sketching and photographing deer and stuff. But I guess his first sketches were to quote unquote busy and then they got there was a another guy working for them. A Chinese American animator named Tyrus Wong and he did more like impressionistic, like Song die. dynasty inspired paintings and David Lee liked them and appointed him the art director. So and his art is revolutionary and because it's like that art like the animation and art idea like that beginning Scroll of like, yeah, I love these foreground trees in the background waterfall. That was my favorite part. Yeah, like really sort of revolutionary also, you know, the whole idea of I don't know if he probably wasn't the first to come up with it, but like this idea that like the there should be more detail where you want the eyes to be which I think we talked about with the Goofy Movie and less detail around the edges so you can sort of save time and focus on like, you can lead the the viewers where you want eyes, right where they should be looking. Yeah, and then you can sort the rest can be a little bit less detailed. Yeah, Chinese American. Yeah, he left China with his dad. Oh, my God. Like when when America saw like, Chinese Exclusion Act and like grew up, went to school, like walk to school, art school, and like, eventually went to Disney, and like, change the fucking game. So yeah. Wow.
Misha 56:07
Okay. He was born in 1910. The same year my grandma was born and died in 2016. He lived to 106 years old. Bravo, as I knock cans over on my table, but yes, amazing. And I'm really happy. You mentioned him. And I'm very excited about this. And he he's very cute in this picture they have on wiki pedia. Yeah.
Tyler 56:36
And another just yeah, like outside of the movie. But another reminder to all those out there that a lot of people built America. I mean, I don't live in America anymore. But I'm American. A lot of people built America we need to remember and celebrate them and not be totally tickets to them. Yeah, this for those of the future. We're living in a time where like, Asian Americans are getting persecuted because of well, racism so we need to need to not be dicks man's the worst cuts it takes.
Misha 57:03
Well, so he worked for Walt Disney Animation Studios for only three years and then worked for Warner Brothers. Starting after that.
Tyler 57:14
I needed a bunch of art for a while like for like movie movies? Like not? And yeah, yes, like war movies and stuff like world in 80 days. Because remember, like a lot of those old movies they have like the the background is just paintings and stuff. So I think he was doing stuff like that.
Misha 57:31
Yeah, set design storyboard artist. Cool. Thank you for bringing this up. Yeah. Good job with research and homework since I so
Tyler 57:40
I think. I mean, I think the score should still be low, but we should get some points for him
Misha 57:49
being there pioneer. So I think just to to honestly, because because the rest of the cast itself, it's sort of like why didn't they say the problem is that he wasn't celebrated that he did. He is going unknown because people don't pay attention to Yeah. If we're not told to pay attention, like, especially with voice actors, and I don't know, it just seems like there could have been more to celebrate. Yeah,
Tyler 58:18
yeah, yes. Yeah. It wasn't the movie celebrating Chinese like landscape painting it. Like he had a hidden pivotal role, but like, he was, yeah.
Misha 58:29
Especially because the animation is like the biggest point of this movie, right? Like when you read the dislike when I was going on to my Disney Plus app, the description that they gave was like, about the animation like groundbreaking revolutionary animation. And now it seems like wait, okay, it's like this one guy who elevated it to that. Well, I
Tyler 58:50
don't think we can give all the because you know how these movies are made? Like, like, like,
Misha 58:54
No, I know there's different people but especially the parts that we love, right? Like, yeah, my one of my favorite scenes was that opening scene. It was very long, but it's beautiful. It's so beautiful and captivating. Even though it's long. I just just loved watching it. It was like a moving painting.
Tyler 59:12
Yeah, and like when when the camera first cuts to the meadow. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Okay, next and final, like category categories. Fun Factor. Yeah, that's fun. It's not a fun. It's not fun. Fun is not what this movie is. It's a traumatizing meditation on man's relationship to nature.
Misha 59:34
Basic. Yeah, yeah, I would give it a pretty low score.
Tyler 59:38
Yeah, I would say three. I was gonna say two but three.
Misha 59:42
I find me because Thumper, I laughed. Okay. Also at the beginning. I laughed a lot at this, when supper is when they're all first introduced and goes to see the prince of the forest which is Bambi right not the great prince of the forest and I love that His name or his title, but when they first go to see Bambi and thumpers like hi Bambi first noise that Bambi makes it's like
Tyler 1:00:10
yeah
Misha 1:00:13
I laughed so hard because I was not expecting that I thought he was gonna say something and it's hilarious and I don't know
Tyler 1:00:20
are are really cute
Misha 1:00:24
fun parts that Thumper brought to this I don't want to go so far down.
Tyler 1:00:31
And just like all the little moments with like, the like when it when it pans away from Bambi and his mom and like, investigates the forest floor and stuff like that. That's like I said, the little mouse, mouse face and
Misha 1:00:45
the wet all the wet animals and the waddling duck, but like, those are fun. That's Those are fun.
Tyler 1:00:52
So yeah, three is fine with me. Okay.
Misha 1:00:55
Um, plop that in.
Tyler 1:00:59
doesn't sit right. I don't think it should get any negative points or doesn't sit right. I
Misha 1:01:04
agree.
Tyler 1:01:05
I think it should get a fuckload for effervescence. I just I this is what Disney did. This is fucking Disney magic and the shit he had to put up with at the time. Like, this was a big swing for him. Even his daughter hated the movie because she was like, Why do you have to kill the mom? You change other movies? You change other stories? You adapt? Why didn't you change that? So he like put up with a bunch of shit. And this is a revolutionary.
Misha 1:01:29
Yep. I think it gets high Disney magic. Yeah, I'm sorry. effervescent.
Tyler 1:01:35
Give it a fucking give it a fucking 10 And if I would do
Misha 1:01:38
I would too. Because the it just was so it was magical watching it. Yeah, I loved it. 10 the total for Bambi is 64 out of 110.0 we're
Tyler 1:01:53
hitting 64
Misha 1:01:55
Yeah, so I don't know it's just the universe is telling us that something is correct.
Tyler 1:02:04
64 What could that mean? Using the Ramsey theory patterns patterns? What can 64 six plus four is 1010 Perfect 10 out of 10 on a score of out of 100 but wars Yeah cuz Bambi got like I mean Yeah, we talked about this at length but like perfect in some areas, but really weak in other areas. So it happens I wonder what's going to take the lead finally. Are we going to have like 100 way tie? So yeah, the moral of the story is gang cut your dicks off and and love nature and yes, for those who have seen this movie Forrest bade Yeah. And Sue Yeah, and also because it's a good thing to do. Yeah, Kiss Kiss an animal but what this I mean for those out there who haven't seen this movie in a while maybe give it another look and yeah,
Misha 1:02:58
yes just not expecting like entertainment in the typical way that we'd like you know, it's not like Fast and Furious.
Tyler 1:03:07
Yeah, it but it is all about family still. Thanks for listening, everybody. If you want to get in touch you can email us at [email protected] or check us out on Twitter or Instagram our name there is muchabupod. Yeah, so thanks for listening and tune in next time when we talk about Beauty and the Beast. Bye everybody.
Misha 1:03:29
The animated one we're not doing live.
Tyler 1:03:31
Oh yeah, of course not. That's Lamesville bye