Please excuse the grammatical errors, any other errors you come across, and the general sloppiness of this transcription of Much Abu About Nothing's podcast episode on A Christmas Carol! Our episodes are transcribed by a robot and roughly edited by Misha (which takes a long time).
Tyler 00:00
Content warning. Though this is a podcast about kids movies, this podcast isn't for kids and contains content some people may find offensive.
Misha 00:15
Welcome to Much Abu About Nothing a podcast where we discuss and rate animated Disney films going in alphabetical order following a rigorous and scientific scoring system based on absolutely nothing. I'm your host Misha,
Tyler 00:30
and I'm your other host Tyler.
Misha 00:32
And today we are reviewing a Christmas Carol. Disney's a Christmas Carol starring Jim Carrey and Jim Carrey and Jim Carrey. And who else Tyler?
Tyler 00:45
Jim Carrey. Again, I think at least 12 more times in this movie. Before we get into this absolute dumpster fire of a movie, how are you? How are you doing?
Misha 00:57
I am doing well. I am on my second vodka and pineapple juice and Seltzer cocktail. So I'm feeling pretty good.
Tyler 01:06
Nice. Nice. Got it going on. I'm on my 8pm or actually sorry, 9pm. Now coffee, which is a horrible idea, but...
Misha 01:15
Very Italian.
Tyler 01:16
...doing it. I also wanted to tell you that I was on a walk today and I saw it for some reason it reminded me of this podcast, I saw the most cartoonish looking dog who looked like a just like a hot dog bun with a face.
Misha 01:35
Oh!
Tyler 01:36
I call him loaf, which is a bit rude, I suppose. Yeah.
Misha 01:41
Oh, no.
Tyler 01:42
Well, the reason? Yeah, it's cute. And he does look like a loaf. But I feel a bit rude because like in our last episode, I talked a little bit about how I didn't like the name Molt because I felt it was rude to that guy.
Misha 01:55
Okay, listen, if you're shaped like a loaf, no body shaming. Love your body loaf or not loaf.
Tyler 02:00
Yeah. Fair enough.
Misha 02:02
You know, molt is a skin condition. Loaf is just a shape and all shapes are beautiful, Tyler.
Tyler 02:07
That's fair. That's fair. There are a lot of dogs in this city in Istanbul that because the people of the city feed them too much bread. They are shaped like loaves. This one I don't know if that's what's going on.
Misha 02:17
Bread is bad for dogs.
Tyler 02:18
Yeah.
Misha 02:19
The yeast in it. I mean that's what I've heard. I gave Simon my dog pizza crust last night. Not a lot, but not enough to make him loaf shaped.
Tyler 02:29
Yeah, this is like years of street dogs. 'Cuz there are a lot of street dogs in the city. You've come to visit, you know this. And yeah, they just feed them like kebabs with the bread often and stuff like that. So yeah they're all-
Misha 02:41
So happy.
Tyler 02:43
Yeah, they're happy. They're just a bit. Well, loafy.
Misha 02:46
Yeah.
Tyler 02:48
So I guess we can't put this off anymore. Did you have something you wanted to say?
Misha 02:52
No, I was just gonna say we named one of our feral cats in our yard Big Head because it has a big head.
Tyler 02:58
Good name. It's good name. Like the character from Silicon Valley.
Misha 03:03
I only watched a little bit of that, and I can't remember any of it. Too stressful.
Tyler 03:09
Yeah, the name Big Head. Yeah. Yeah. In a weird way. It is. It's, it is a bit too stressful. We're not here to talk about that.
Misha 03:17
No, we can talk about this other movie that was also very stressful in a very different and weird way. All right, should we go to our scoring system and get the obvious one out of the way - Originality?
Tyler 03:32
Yeah, I'm logging in to the mainframe now. Pulling up the schematics. Yeah, so this is the Christmas Carol from 2009. Which we're going to get to originality wise. Animated CGI. A big mess. Do you want to- do even want to bother with the story- summarizing the story? Or do we think the people out there....
Misha 03:56
No. You know what if you don't know A Christmas Carol, get your head out of your own butthole and do some living.
Tyler 04:04
Yeah, do some living. Get busy living or get busy dying And don't watch this movie.
Misha 04:11
Yeah, do not watch his movie. Do watch a Muppet Christmas Carol. If you are new to a Christmas Carol story. That's what I say. That's one of my faves.
Tyler 04:21
That's a good one. And I- my favorite when I was a kid was which, when we first came up with this list, I was really excited to get to this movie second. But I was thinking of Mickey's Christmas Carol, which was a TV... TV film?
Misha 04:34
Yes.
Tyler 04:35
Which I also watched as part of my homework.
Misha 04:37
Yeah. Oh.
Tyler 04:38
To see the- to see the difference.
Misha 04:41
Oof. No, no, you should not have done that.
Tyler 04:45
Yeah.
Misha 04:45
Because it makes this even worse. Yeah.
Tyler 04:49
One thing that we'll get to this later, but one thing that stood out immediately was just how bloated this story is, but
Misha 04:56
Yeah, so, so long. This movie was way too long. Every scene was 10 minutes longer than it needed to be.
Tyler 05:05
Yeah. Yeah, there's like one scene in particular where like that carriage is chasing him around and it just goes on forever.
Misha 05:11
Oh my god, I have- I have notes about...
Tyler 05:14
Yeah, it's like...
Misha 05:14
...fucking scene.
Tyler 05:15
...how this- Yeah, the Mickey's Christmas, it's like I don't even remember how long it was, but it's like, maybe less than a half an hour. Possibly a bit more.
Misha 05:24
A Muppet Christmas Carol, I don't know how long it is. It's a full length movie. And it was great.
Tyler 05:29
Yeah.
Misha 05:29
They didn't have to add like all the shit this movie added.
Tyler 05:33
Yeah. That one though, had songs and stuff so that you know, like a Bollywood film.
Misha 05:38
Yeah, yes.
Tyler 05:38
You can you can pad the time with some song and dance.
Misha 05:41
Four hours.
Tyler 05:41
Yeah. God bless Bollywood.
Misha 05:44
Watch it over three nights. Yeah.
Tyler 05:48
So yeah. First up on the rating system is originality, which I put 1 out of 10. Yeah.
Misha 05:55
Me too. Great.
Tyler 05:57
Just to remind the audience out there we don't have a zero. So one is as bad as it can get.
Misha 06:03
Too bad.
Tyler 06:05
So yeah, I mean, this.... this, this has been done so many times.
Misha 06:08
I wrote zero a few times in my notebook and scribbled it out and was like, wait,
Tyler 06:12
Yeah.
Misha 06:13
It starts at one.
Tyler 06:15
There might be some exceptions coming up, where we definitely need to drop a big goose egg on some of these movies. But for now, I suppose we can keep it. Keep it scientific and keep to our system.
Misha 06:25
The Muppet Christmas Carol is an hour and a half- an hour and 29 minutes to be exact.
Tyler 06:31
Yeah, but I mean, yeah, like with the song and dance set.
Misha 06:33
And this one that we just watched is hour and 36 minutes.
Tyler 06:37
Yeah.
Misha 06:38
So why was it so horrible? Well, we'll get into that.
Tyler 06:42
Yeah. So yeah, originality, I say one.
Misha 06:47
Yep, put a one.
Tyler 06:49
The only thing I guess you could make the argument that it's a little different from the- like, the beginning is a tad different. Most of most iterations of this Carol start right with like, after an establishing shot or whatever they start right with a- with Scrooge present day being a total dick bag, but this one started with a little bit of a prologue that we absolutely didn't need with Marley's death, which gives it a tiny bit of originality but not enough to raise the score I think.
Misha 07:20
Correct. I agree. I mean, there were little things here and there but... yeah, I don't think it's worth even talking about more.
Misha 07:30
So would story though...
Misha 07:32
End reliving this movie as quickly as possible.
Tyler 07:35
Yeah. Yeah, we'll get there. Although yeah... there's...
Tyler 07:39
Okay. Let's move on. You said- let's move on to story. I want to give
Misha 07:44
it a negative value because it's like they added things to the story that detracted from the original story.
Tyler 07:56
Yeah.
Misha 07:57
But we can't.
Tyler 07:58
Yeah. I gave this- this is the one category that I gave like relatively high marks because I think although it's been done so many times it is like a timeless morality tale.
Misha 08:10
Aha, okay. So story in terms of not...
Tyler 08:14
Like the actual...
Misha 08:15
Disney's...
Tyler 08:16
...story.
Misha 08:16
Yes. I love I do love the story.
Tyler 08:19
Yeah, it's a good- it's got a good message. Like don't be mean to-
Misha 08:21
Don't be a hoarder of money, of wealth. Well...
Tyler 08:24
Yeah.
Misha 08:25
Yeah. All right. Let's Okay, I see...
Tyler 08:27
The original name by the way- was I don't remember off the top my head, but the original name was something like, "Don't be a dick to poor people" basically like, because he was... Dickens himself grew up with some hard times. And maybe the one thing he loved more than his own turgid prose was poor people, so like, it was going to be just like, "Please help poor people," but he changed it to a "Christmas Story".
Tyler 08:29
I also like spooky ghosts. Not gonna lie,
Tyler 08:51
Spooky ghosts are good.
Misha 08:53
I love spooky ghosts. I gave it a six which I think is kind of low. Because it's was hard while I was watching it, to separate it from this trash, disgusting, nightmarish piece of shit that I was watching and I would go higher now that I've had some time apart from it.
Tyler 09:13
Yeah, this is kind of the opposite of the Bug's- The Bug's Life scenario where I- yeah, I went I went a bit higher. I went with a seven on this one.
Misha 09:19
I think is seven is good. Like I wrote that number... I actually wrote a two because I was just because I was in the middle of watching it while I wrote it. I was so upset. And so angry. I mean, I've never been this angry watching a Disney movie.
Tyler 09:36
Yeah.
Misha 09:37
Lots of yelling. Um, but yeah, I think we can go with a seven.
Tyler 09:42
Yeah.
Misha 09:44
Are you typing them in or am I?
Tyler 09:46
You can type them in.
Misha 09:47
Oh, I can't.
Tyler 09:49
Oh, okay. I'll do it then.
Misha 09:50
I can't-
Tyler 09:50
Originality: One. Story: seven. Okay
Misha 09:54
Nice.
Tyler 09:55
Yes. Like this. Um... like the idea behind this movie. Okay, so obviously, like, we're not going to get into, like development and background stuff, but this... we're about to talk about animation, folks. And if you haven't... like...
Misha 10:14
If you're if you are watching it, have a barf bucket next to you.
Tyler 10:17
Yeah. So like with A Bug's Life, right? When we talked about animation with A Bug's Life, we were like, Okay, we need to think of this, in this, you know, in 1998, and like, what their limitations were and what they were able to accomplish. And then also, like, does it hold up, basically, and A Bug's Life, you know, holds up for the most part, except for like, some wonky things like the bird, right. You had some problems with the bird.
Misha 10:40
This is 11 years later.
Tyler 10:43
Yeah
Misha 10:43
This is 11 years later.
Tyler 10:45
And just for like, a little bit of context, Avatar came out the same year and say what you- say what you want about, say what you want about how shitty that story is, but the animation is, I mean, yeah, and this is fucking Disney. We're talking about that's behind this. So it's like moneybags McGee. And
Misha 11:04
It is Scrooge behind this, and this is the shit they gave us.
Tyler 11:08
Yeah. And... and this is, like five years after Polar Express, also directed by the same guy. And...
Misha 11:17
Robert Zemeckis...
Tyler 11:18
Robert Zemeckis
Misha 11:19
...should not do animated films ever.
Tyler 11:22
Oh, so hit or miss. Mr. Zemeckis, if you're listening out there. Loves me some Back to the Future, but yeah-
Misha 11:28
Great.
Tyler 11:29
Death Becomes Her.
Misha 11:31
Oh, so good.
Tyler 11:31
Roger Rabbit.
Misha 11:32
So good. So good.
Tyler 11:34
Some would argue Forrest Gump is a good movie. I don't agree, but...
Misha 11:39
I think it was good at the time, but then when you rewatch it...
Tyler 11:42
Yeah.
Tyler 11:43
I believe the movie where Tom Hanks yells at a volleyball is also Robert Zemeckis was called... Castaway. Castaway.
Misha 11:50
Wait, he doesn't yell at it.
Tyler 11:52
Yeah. He yells at- I mean, he yells at it to...
Misha 11:54
He yells FOR it cuz he misses it.
Tyler 11:56
There we go.
Misha 11:57
Parent who's lost a child at the mall.
Tyler 11:59
Yep, that's the preposition we need: for. Yep. He yells for Wilson. That was Zemeckis too. I mean, yeah. Anyway...
Misha 12:07
Yes.
Tyler 12:08
What I was about to say is...
Misha 12:09
That's what I'm saying. These CGI animated films he should stay away from.
Tyler 12:14
But yeah, this is like five years after Polar Express and it doesn't look any better. Although, you know, I'm not a- neither of us are like experts in animation. So they're probably some you know, development sort of some of the some of the like, the establishing shots of London looked pretty good. I thought.
Misha 12:31
I also thought at the beginning, that 3D spooky Marley drawing where it was pen and ink, and then sort of
Tyler 12:39
That was great.
Misha 12:39
Transitioned into the anima-, like the rest of the animation. That was excellent.
Tyler 12:44
That looked really good. I was- it gave me a false. Yeah, false sense of hope. yeah. That looks really good. And then we get that scene where he's standing over Marley's body with the two creepiest people, like the undertaker and his son with that, that zit that looked like it was about to like, like...
Misha 13:04
I'm so nauseous.
Tyler 13:05
The animation of that zit, and the dead eyes of those people.
Misha 13:10
Why? Why? Why? That's what I want to know.
Tyler 13:14
Yeah. This is like yeah...
Misha 13:16
This is like Sinbad in Good Burger. WHYYY?
Tyler 13:22
Whoa, that was a deep cut. Okay. Yeah...
Misha 13:24
I just watched it recently for a movie club. You'll be happy to know, Dave pick that, our friend Dave.
Tyler 13:30
Hey, Big D.
Misha 13:32
Big D picked Good Burger.
Tyler 13:35
Oh man. What a film.
Misha 13:37
It doesn't hold up.
Tyler 13:38
Yeah.
Misha 13:39
I don't know if it ever did though. It was never up to begin with.
Tyler 13:45
Yeah, so this is... for anybody who hasn't seen this movie and is curious despite our our protestations. This movie is like the epitome of Uncanny Valley. You know where...
Misha 13:59
Yes.
Tyler 14:00
The more you try to make it look lifelike, the more horrifying. It becomes the...
Misha 14:04
But then there were so many parts where they didn't even try. Like all of the children were just like after thoughts, and they- it was like two totally different animated movies smushed together. So go all out or don't bother.
Tyler 14:21
Yeah. And like the dance. There's like weird.... whenever anybody's moving like there are the dancing scenes.
Misha 14:27
Their bodies did not follow normal, like anatomy or physics at all. They were like weird sacks of potatoes just flopping about.
Tyler 14:35
Yeah. That makes it even more off putting like, yeah, like because the kids-
Misha 14:42
It was, you know, it was Star Wars, I forget which one, where Jar Jar Binks did the... so that was the first time they did. What was it? Those little balls and...
Tyler 14:54
Motion capture.
Misha 14:55
Thank you. Yeah. Why didn't they just do that or....
Tyler 14:59
They did.
Misha 15:00
Stop it. Nobody moves like that. No, they didn't.
Tyler 15:03
Yeah, this is a motion capture movie as far as I remember.
Misha 15:05
Why would humans walk and move like bags of potatoes and beanbags instead of like normal human beings?
Tyler 15:14
Yeah, that's what I don't get because like they're, they're....
Misha 15:17
They don't...
Tyler 15:17
Nobody moves like a person. Yeah, they don't.
Misha 15:19
Right. Oh,
Tyler 15:21
I think what they did is they did it with the faces, but just...
Misha 15:25
No. The faces were so off. That was the part that actually bothered me the most so when Colin Firth in the beginning...
Misha 15:33
Oh god, yeah.
Misha 15:34
... is giving his very emotional speech, like if you close your eyes, fine. The I wish people could see what I- because I couldn't stop doing it afterwards.
Tyler 15:46
The mouth like the weird mouth thingy...
Misha 15:48
Like a fish mouth flapping open, no expression on the face of the character. None. Meanwhile, Colin Firth is like shouting very animatedly and very impassioned. And the face on the character is just as if I were like, "Oh, I went to the dentist to the- today. Everything was fine. Oh, I have to write my to do list and go through..." That's basically what the face looked like.
Tyler 16:14
Yeah.
Misha 16:15
I was so upset.
Tyler 16:16
It was so weird. Like this, the mouth moving and- in a way that mouth should not move.
Misha 16:22
Just flopping, it's like they looked at - they looked at Southpark Canadians to model what human faces should be like.
Tyler 16:32
Yeah, oh man. Yeah so, I'm, you know, I want to try to be not too mean. But I also...
Misha 16:42
Why?
Tyler 16:43
...but also, yeah, just this was so
Misha 16:45
Why they made money, who fucking cares?
Tyler 16:49
It was so unpleasant. Were there any bright spots for you? Like were there any parts were like, Okay, this is this doesn't look so bad. Other than the part we discussed with the Marley's...
Misha 16:58
I should have highlighted it in my notes, because I've got like five pages of notes and very few good things.
Tyler 17:05
One thing I mentioned. Yeah, like, I think the the shots of like, of London when they're not zipping around and zooming around look good. But then once I started zooming around, it looks- it looks weird. But London looked good I thought, it looked foggy. And oh...
Misha 17:21
I know, one part that I really loved. When Scrooge gets into his house, and he's striking the match to light the candle. That was beautiful. That was actually incredible. I loved it. I've never seen anything like that in a kid's movie, or an animated movie. The lighting was excellent. It just... And with this, we'll get into music later. But I also want to talk about the Foley art, which I thought was like, above and beyond and something that I definitely noticed. So we can talk about that. But like, that was one of the points where I noticed like you really feel the scene. And I like that one a lot.
Tyler 18:02
Yeah, I wrote that down, too. And I also wrote down... perhaps I like this a lot, because also we can't see people like, like, he's- he's in darkness sort of in shadow, so we can't really get is...
Misha 18:13
Actually that's a good point. Yeah, it was very dark. At the beginning. I felt like I couldn't see anything. And not in a good way. Like, "ooh, it's dark and eerie." But like, No, I just can't fucking see anything. So what's the point?
Tyler 18:26
Yeah.
Misha 18:28
Can we talk about... I'm horrified that I just remembered this. And it entered my brain. The animation of the Ghost of Christmas Past?
Tyler 18:41
Yeah. So for people who haven't seen this movie...
Tyler 18:45
Just to look that up, just...
Tyler 18:47
Just look up. Yeah, if if Google hasn't stricken it from the record, you could probably go to like, I don't know, Bing or the Russian Yandex and find it, some some part of the dark web to find... it's a candle with a horrible digital version of Jim Carrey's face on it. And it's just... it's just... if you compare this to like, I think most- like the description in Dickens, I can't remember what it's like a light or like it's a light that is kind of- doesn't really have a gender. It's like the formless like genderless... often it's like a little a little kid like a little girl or something.
Misha 19:26
So I will say in a Muppet Christmas Carol, that one also bothered me.
Tyler 19:31
I was like a creepy ghost girl.
Misha 19:32
Child.
Tyler 19:33
Right. Yeah, yeah.
Misha 19:34
Like no, I would say like a genderless child and that one too.
Tyler 19:37
Yeah. I don't remember what it looks like and it's Jiminy Cricket in in Mickey's Christmas Carol, which is a little too silly, but it's cute. Yeah.
Misha 19:45
I like that because it's not gross. If it's not gross, I like it more.
Tyler 19:50
Yeah, I don't want the Ghost of Christmas Past to be cute though. It should be a little eerie because Ghost of Christmas present is the jolly one, like the... the Christmas spirit right is the present so, so the past should be a little eerie, should be scary. It's also like the first one he comes across after Marley of course, but this was just, yeah, it was wrong. Like not only was it- the animation was bad with Jim Carrey's face in the fire but also like his bad Irish accent along- side of it.
Misha 20:24
So I didn't realize going into this that Jim Carrey played however many characters he played including all three ghosts, and when I discovered this because of that ghost of Christmas past face of his that we could see his face, I was- I'm very bothered by this. And I said he's talking to himself like I hate when characters or actors have to have a conversation with themselves. It doesn't work. And Steve, my partner goes, "well, that's how you get the best performance. It's natural." Just...
Tyler 20:56
Let... Okay.
Misha 20:59
No, obviously joking.
Tyler 21:00
That's yeah, okay. Yeah, that's the worst thing I've ever heard. So good thing he's joking. I would have to fly to-
Misha 21:07
He was joking.
Tyler 21:08
Yeah.
Misha 21:10
Just... okay, I- I'm so upset about this flame ghost, because then when it starts shifting, like changing faces rapidly to all of the people in Scrooge's life, that was horrifying. Yeah.
Tyler 21:26
But not in a good way. Like this should be scary.
Misha 21:28
Correct!
Tyler 21:28
But yeah, this just off putting.
Misha 21:30
I actually didn't think- of all of the different versions of this story I have seen, I never thought that the ghost of Christmas past or present were supposed to be that scary. I thought they were just more sort of confusing, like scary in a way that a common ghost would be, but not gross and horrifying. Except- so the Ghost of Christmas Future which we'll get to. Yes. Terrifying. Like...
Tyler 21:58
Supposed to be scary.
Misha 21:59
Spooky scary, but I didn't ever feel scared. Once you get to know the character, I never felt scared by the other two ghosts.
Tyler 22:08
Yeah.
Misha 22:09
This was the worst thing I've ever seen when it starts changing faces...
Tyler 22:13
Yeah.
Misha 22:13
...to all. I- it was like a horror movie.
Tyler 22:17
I think Yeah. Yeah. Horrifying isn't the right word for I what I meant what I said earlier is like, the past should be eerie, I think- is the word I'm looking for. Like it should be... It shouldn't be comfortable because it's a ghost but it's just eerie. Not scary.
Misha 22:33
Like...
Tyler 22:34
And present is jolly and just weird because he's really big and he eats a lot but
Misha 22:39
Yeah, like when you see a light and you follow it, like you know you maybe shouldn't and it's a little bit eerie, but it's not scary. That- those fucking faces...
Tyler 22:49
Yeah.
Misha 22:49
Why- what what was the point of that? Can you explain? I don't even know what we're supposed to get out of that.
Tyler 22:55
I don't know. I think they're just they were.... I don't know what they're going for. But they this was one of those instances where I was like, okay, they're clearly just trying to... they're trying to... I have no idea. I'm talking on my ass, but like, but, but...
Misha 23:11
Nothing! Nothing. There was no reason it should have been cut I don't know why...
Tyler 23:15
It's- what it seemed to me, this is again just maybe Tyler like an over interpretation, but it seems like they were going for something more like the very original Christmas Carol where it's like- it's described as almost like a candle. Like it has no head but just light, so but this...
Misha 23:34
I get that. No that... but about the faces...
Tyler 23:36
Totally... yeah but then they fell....
Misha 23:38
What about those faces?
Tyler 23:39
Yeah, they fell like so far away from the finish line, like they- they weren't even close. I also found it weird- like he- the- the candle, the ghost of Christmas past, it does this weird twitch. Did you notice that? And like sparks.
Misha 23:52
Okay, I didn't take it that way. I was like, why is it like shimmy dancing? Like, like an Indian, like head side to side where Steve even was just like, "Did you see that? Like dance move?" And I was like, Okay, I don't like that. That's an Indian dancer. Yeah, that this candle... This candle is doing
Tyler 24:17
Yeah. I didn't pick up on that. I just picked up... it was like a- to me it's just like a weird twitch. Yeah.
Misha 24:23
There was one point where it like kept shimmying. I don't know why. I don't understand most of this movie, why the decisions were made...
Tyler 24:33
Yeah.
Misha 24:33
...but I took it as-
Tyler 24:35
We got to move on from this that horrible thing to the next horrible thing. Ghost of Chritmas Present...
Misha 24:42
There's 800-
Tyler 24:43
Yeah.
Misha 24:44
...like horrible things.
Tyler 24:46
The... the ghosts of Christmas present also didn't look very good, but marginally better. Just because it wasn't a stupid candle face but it's also- was again weird because it was like Jim Carrey as a big like Northern English or Scottish sort of accent, and just the maniacal laughter that would not stop. And that went on that scene went on for ages like the laughing and the...
Misha 25:12
thats- that scene was very long. The scene where you're introduced to the Ghost of Christmas Present is longer than his journey learning from the Ghost of Christmas Present.
Tyler 25:26
Yeah
Misha 25:26
And I could not wait for it to end.
Tyler 25:29
Yeah, it was it was awful. For sure. The one highlight of these since we're still kind of talking about animation I really liked the introduction of ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come or Future.
Tyler 25:44
The shadow?
Tyler 25:44
The shadow and then like the slow reveal of the arms like sort of Ring Wraith from Lord of the Rings style. That was cool.
Misha 25:50
I'm also a fan... fan of the Ghost of Christmas F-
Tyler 25:53
Yeah.
Misha 25:54
Yet to Come because I love spooky shit.
Tyler 25:58
Yeah. And then they ruin it by having it like sort of points out of the shadow and have like this garbage looking like almost... almost like they're going for... was this released in 3D? Because it looks like some points that we're trying to try to do that.
Misha 26:12
There... The part I didn't like with the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come. No, the gh- wait, whatever it is... the Christmas Future.
Tyler 26:20
Same thing I think both names are...
Tyler 26:22
Sure.... is you know, when the horses show up.
Tyler 26:26
Yeah.
Misha 26:26
And then they it's kind of the same thing that you're talking about where it's all shadow, then they put just the front of the hor- face... horses faces into like reality and they're like, oily and shiny and then they stay that way where it's just their faces. That seemed so unnecessary and not well done. And I really dislike that because I thought- I think shadows are creepier sometimes when you don't explicitly see, like, what it is that scaring you.
Tyler 26:58
Yeah, I agree. And it's the same every time every time the thing point... the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come pointed it had that same glassy obsidian light.
Misha 27:06
Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 27:07
Bad animation. Yeah, any other bad animation or...
Misha 27:13
Yeah.
Tyler 27:14
...to talk about? There're just so many.
Misha 27:15
Marley... when Marley showed up. I was like, at first I was like, Okay, I kind of like this like spooky bluish ghost. You know, ghostly apparition, like translucent thing, but then they animated him so strangely, where his hair was like wiggling like he was underwater. And then when his jaw fell open, like he yelled too loudly and his jaw opened and flapped around. I mean, I don't know.... This is sort of going back to story. I don't... or I don't really know what this is... or what this is. Maybe this is story. This was so.... I actually want to revisit story. This is so fucking morbid and not appropriate for children. This whole movie. What it felt like it, felt like at one point you Steve yelled, actually yelled at the TV "is this rated R!?" And it's like, they had this very dark, sinister adult movie and then sprinkled in dumb shit to like, "oh, no, it's for kids still", like the large lady when they're dancing at the dance hall, and she's like spinning around in the air. Like, that seems like a throwaway thing just to be like, "Oh, we're reminding you this is for kids." And then he's on his own. Scrooge is on his back when he's being chased by the Ghost of Christmas Future when he's on his back and like spinning the barrel on his feet. That's like another thing that they dropped in to be like, "Hey, I'm we know this is scary. And like, we know, this is adult like, but this is for kids."
Misha 28:56
Yeah.
Misha 28:56
And like there's a couple- and when he gets rocketed into space for no reason. Why was he in space?
Tyler 29:02
Yeah. I wrote Yeah, I wrote down in my notes, things that are played for laughs are not funny, and I underlined 'em 8 times. Like the-
Misha 29:11
That, to me is part of the s- I think we need to deduct that from the story. Like the original story holds up, but I think we should bring down because this was not for kids.
Tyler 29:22
You're right.
Misha 29:22
I even told my sister I was like, "if you think that your kids will like this, because maybe they like Polar Express for whatever stupid reason. And you think, Okay, this is another kid's movie. It's rated PG." I was like, Do not watch it. There is that creepy scene with Ignorance and Want... and I get Ignorance and Want, I did look this up are from the original, but if this is a kid's movie, you do not have to include them in it in such a horrific way and then have them turn into a prisoner a sex worker who was very horny or something...
Tyler 29:57
She was going for it. And then in two to a sort mental patient in a straight jacket.
Misha 30:02
...from an insane asylum! That is not appropriate for anybody.
Tyler 30:07
All the while Ghost of Christmas Present is laughing himself to death in sort of à la Last Crusade melting away rapidly. So... such a weird choice. That's the most diplomatic way I can say. Weird choice there.
Misha 30:21
That was a really scary scene for adults.
Misha 30:24
And it's just wasn't... yeah it just I don't know... like back to the what got us off on this tangent about not being funny at all was the the the jaw scene with Marley like his jaw like doesn't work. And if I may, just from my sort of Dungeons and Dragons expertise point out to the audience the difference between a ghost and a zombie if that needs to be pointed out. Jacob Marley's a fucking ghost, he's not a zombie. So stop making him have zombie problems or like his jaw falls off and his eyes don't work properly. He's a fucking-
Misha 30:58
Unless those were... unless those were problems he had in life.
Tyler 31:04
Ah, okay.
Misha 31:05
We don't know that he didn't have... maybe he chewed tobacco and had jaw cancer, bone cancer, we don't know.
Tyler 31:14
Okay, but then explain this. To me. The fact that he is constantly looking up and doesn't look... Look him in the eye.
Misha 31:21
Meth jaw, meth jaw? Is that a thing?
Tyler 31:24
Okay. Marley's got meth jaw. Okay. I'm...
Misha 31:26
Right.
Tyler 31:26
...willing to give you that. But that doesn't explain the weird eye...
Misha 31:29
When was meth invented?
Tyler 31:32
Great question. No idea.
Misha 31:36
Because, okay, I will, it will say it's, we'll say it's meth jaw if meth was around during that time of the original, which I don't know when it...
Tyler 31:48
Amphetamine was first..
Misha 31:51
Oh actually!
Tyler 31:53
...from like, the late 1800s. But yeah, I don't know when meth as- as... as like Breaking Bad style is... when crystal meth was...
Misha 32:02
Fun anecdote about my dad. Um,
Tyler 32:05
Okay, weird segue.
Misha 32:06
He used to be a biochemist.
Tyler 32:08
Yeah.
Misha 32:08
And, you know, back in the day, because he's old, there weren't really like, there wasn't any oversight. People could just do whatever you want. He would take his work home from the lab and do his work in the basement of the house that I currently live in. And one of his projects was on amphetamines. And all of a sudden, he's like working late nights like working on amphetamines, no protection because nobody worked gloves or like respirators or anything back in the early 60s.
Tyler 32:39
Yeah.
Misha 32:40
He lost so much weight. He didn't know why. He didn't even put two and two together. And he's just inhaling amphetamines while he's writing his undergraduate the-, undergrad, they let an undergraduate student who's like 20 years old, 21 years old, just huffing amphetamines in his basement at home.
Tyler 33:02
Insane. What year was that?
Misha 33:06
It was the early 60s. It was early 60s.
Misha 33:11
Things were crazy in the 60s.
Misha 33:13
And we found some bottles of his old lab stuff when we moved in. And had to bring it to a "no questions asked" chemical disposal event.
Tyler 33:25
Oofa doofa. Yikes.
Misha 33:29
Yeah. So we can say though, because amphetamines were around in the late 1800s. That yes, Marley did have meth jaw.
Tyler 33:40
Okay, I'm fine with that meth jaw Marley. So that that explains the the zombie-esque qualities of the ghost. Still not happy about it. But so we got to take. I think I accidentally deleted the animations where we got to take the story score down. Yeah,
Misha 33:55
yeah.
Tyler 33:56
To six instead of seven. Are we gonna.... are you thinking more than that?
Misha 33:59
No, six is good. Just like so inappropriate for children.
Tyler 34:03
Um, okay.
Misha 34:06
All right. Animation. you put a one. We hadn't decided.
Tyler 34:08
I put a one. Yeah, I don't know. I just, the more we talk about the angrier I get.
Misha 34:13
I wouldn't. I wouldn't give it a one. I would actually be more generous.
Tyler 34:16
There are a couple of scenes that are well done.
Misha 34:21
I would say that if the characters weren't so gross, that it would actually be considered... like let's say we weren't so physically disturbed by how gross they looked. I think the animation for some of it was good,
Tyler 34:44
Hm. Some of the animation was good. Yeah. Just if you took all the people out of it, it would it would be...
Misha 34:50
Yeah, yeah.
Tyler 34:53
I originally I mean, I gave it a three. I'm okay with a three. Mainly just because a couple interesting looking scenes and like, I gave it a little bit of props for like, just technical.
Misha 35:06
That's what I think it's...
Tyler 35:07
I can't fucking I can't do that, like got to give 'em some props for being able to make a horror show of a movie.
Tyler 35:13
Um, so do we want to move on to characters or do we want to talk about the music slash foley work that you brought up.
Misha 35:22
Let's talk about the music and foley work.
Tyler 35:25
Yeah. I thought.
Misha 35:26
Excellent.
Tyler 35:27
You thought the Foley work was excellent. Okay. Yeah.
Misha 35:30
I also liked the music. I didn't think it was bad. I thought it fit A Christmas Carol.
Tyler 35:35
Yeah. I found the mu- music like utterly forgettable. Like it fit the movie. It didn't get in the way.
Misha 35:45
Yes.
Tyler 35:45
So it served its purpose. Yeah.
Misha 35:47
It's not a musical.
Tyler 35:48
Yeah.
Misha 35:49
So it doesn't need to be memorable.
Tyler 35:50
Yeah.
Misha 35:51
I think if we were watching a musical. And it was all forgettable than it would deserve a lower score. It fit into the background. It wasn't jarring. I... and I would like to give it extra points for the foley art. I thought it was so well done. When he's opening the key- when he's jingling his keys to get into his house, when he opens the gate to his property. I don't know. I really loved it.
Tyler 36:17
I wonder if it was actual foley work or if it was like just what everybody does. Now.
Misha 36:23
What does everybody do now?
Tyler 36:25
Well, like I think foley doesn't... I could be wrong, but isn't like foley work like when it's actually a person making the sounds would like...
Misha 36:32
I think theres...
Tyler 36:33
Like punching like a sandbag to make it sound like...
Misha 36:36
But I think there is like a bank or a vault or whatever of art- like, foley art you can buy. So it doesn't I don't think it needs to be exactly... originally created for... You know,
Tyler 36:52
Yeah, but somebody did it.
Misha 36:54
Yeah. Yeah.
Tyler 36:55
Sound effects then.
Misha 36:56
I think that still happens. Yeah, I think that still happens.
Tyler 36:59
Yeah, I think... I'm just... I don't know. Yeah, I could. I just felt like being a foley artist,
Misha 37:04
But regardless of how it was created. I don't think that is our issue. I don't think...
Tyler 37:09
No no no.
Misha 37:10
Right? I just... I was actually really... especially because they did a good job with this movie. But what I liked is they did a good job, not playing music to enhance the sound of the scene. And I really appreciate that. Because sometimes it's done really badly where you're like, "Oh, my God, why... I'm like I'm noticing how quiet it is." But in this case, you notice how quiet it is and it pulls you into the scene. And as much as I hated this movie, I loved the sound.
Tyler 37:35
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I wasn't shitting on that, that I was just like, I was I just couldn't remember...
Tyler 37:41
Like there's a saw for thunder.
Tyler 37:42
if there's a term for sound effects. Yeah, like, I think yeah, like, just I was having a thing in my head like is foley art like, does it have to be the person with the saw for thunder or do sound effects in general...
Misha 37:52
Oh. I see what you're saying. Alright. Sound effects. Foley art. Music.
Tyler 37:56
For those that haven't seen this movie, and please don't watch it.
Misha 38:00
Don't.
Tyler 38:01
The whole scene from when when Scrooge goes home and then eventually goes to bed and Marley comes to visit him. That's all like- there's like no music pretty much. It's only the sounds it... that was quite well done. I agree with you there. It stood out because the music was otherwise forgettable.
Misha 38:17
Right.
Tyler 38:19
I mean, I gave it like an average score. I gave it a four by...
Misha 38:23
Holy shit. I gave it a high score because I included the sound effects.
Tyler 38:28
The sound effects. I'm fine with that. Because I didn't include...
Misha 38:30
I gave it an EIGHT.
Tyler 38:32
I didn't include the lack of music, but...
Misha 38:34
Right.
Tyler 38:35
Eight's a bit high.
Misha 38:35
But at the same time, eight is a bit high. Why don't we go with a seven? Would you be okay or lower? You're right.
Tyler 38:42
Seven's fine.
Misha 38:42
The music was totally forgettable. I did notice. Oh, this music makes me feel like Christmas. And I think that's all it needs to do. I think it matched what I think.. for what it was.
Tyler 38:52
It was weird watching this movie in almost May. Like it was so weird.
Misha 38:58
You get into the mood.
Tyler 38:59
Yeah, like it might be because of that. But the first song like the title track awoke something inside of me that I didn't realize... I hate... I realized now...
Misha 39:11
You miss Christmas?
Tyler 39:11
No, no, no. I hate music. That sounds like Christmas music but is not Christmas music.
Misha 39:17
Oh, see? I liked it. Because I was like, this isn't a Christmas song that we know. But I actually feel Christmas.
Tyler 39:23
Yeah, but yeah, so I don't know.
Misha 39:24
So I thought that was good.
Tyler 39:25
I really didn't like it yet...
Misha 39:27
That's good. That's what makes it good that you could have an original song that evokes the Christmas spirit without it being a known Christmas song.
Tyler 39:36
Yeah.
Misha 39:37
But that was just the opening song. To tell you the truth. I was screaming at my TV so much throughout this whole fucking movie. That I don't remember any other song beyond the opening.
Tyler 39:47
Yeah, it was... I will... I'm willing to go up and score for the sound effects.
Misha 39:51
I'm actually willing to go down because I stopped paying attention. I'll do a six.
Tyler 39:56
Let's go six. Another thing.
Misha 39:58
I did stop paying attention to the sound after- once we started to get into How atrocious this movie was.
Tyler 40:04
There were also just a couple scenes were kind of like with bug A Bug's Life where like the tension of the scene and didn't match- the music didn't match the tension of the scene.
Misha 40:13
I do agree with that. Now you're convincing me to go lower.
Tyler 40:17
Also, did you stick around for the credits were the original song by Andrea Bocelli was sung.
Misha 40:23
I don't even remember. I was so angry.
Tyler 40:26
It was very forgettable. Yeah.
Misha 40:27
I was so angry. At the end. Can we talk about that end scene real quick? Where...
Tyler 40:35
Which part of it just the whole... Oh, the party where Chratchet...
Misha 40:38
Where Cratchet breakes the fourth wall.
Tyler 40:39
Yeah.
Misha 40:40
I... I started screaming a lot at him. Because he was- I was like, "do not make eye contact with me!" Could-. No, no! And he kept going and I was really upset. Do not do that. Do not do that at the very end of a movie. He was not the narrator. We barely heard from him. Why does he get that importance? In the movie?
Tyler 41:07
It was so...
Misha 41:08
I wanted to punch him in the face like somebody assaulting me.
Tyler 41:12
It was really... not... Yeah, because not... not only just because like, all the characters have these like horrible dead eyes that... that then they turn... but then he turns and looks directly at us with his fucking Charles Darwin looking mutton chops and Gary Oldman voice.
Misha 41:28
Gonna come in slit our throats in the middle of the night.
Tyler 41:32
It was so bad.
Misha 41:34
I was... I'm still really upset. I can't wait to.... for as much time can pass beyond watching this movie. On my deathbed. I'll be like, "thank God. It's been this many years hopefully. Since I've had to see this movie." Ugh.
Tyler 41:50
Straight up - straight up. I'm gonna have nightmares tonight. I know it.
Misha 41:53
Did you watch it today?
Tyler 41:55
I started it like the first 10 minutes last night. I was like, I just can't. And then so I finished it today and I will definitely have nightmares tonight.
Misha 42:03
I did have nightmares. Good luck. I wish you well.
Tyler 42:08
So are we saying six for music and music and sound? Like the music and sound instead of music and song?
Misha 42:15
Yes.
Tyler 42:17
Okay.
Misha 42:19
Six feels generous for this fucking piece of shit movie.
Tyler 42:22
I'm gonna bring it down to five. Okay, which is what I had before.
Misha 42:27
Perfect. Okay, I know usually there's a clear protagonist, sidekick, villain, henchmen. I was confused in my notes. Because isn't the protagonist- protagonist, also the villain?
Tyler 42:43
Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking I gave it the same...
Misha 42:46
Sidekicks are the henchmen, like they're all the Ghosts of Christmases... the Ghosts of Christmas are kind of both.
Tyler 42:56
Kind of both. Yeah. Or neither? I kind of put it as neither. I gave the the sidekick and henchmen score very low because there- there was no like discernible.
Misha 43:06
Also because they suck.
Tyler 43:07
Yeah.
Misha 43:08
Like none of the characters have any appeal in this movie. I don't care if they kill off every single character from this fucking movie. In fact, if every character died five minutes into the movie, I would have been very happy and not come back is ghosts. The ghosts. They get a priest in there. They do... what not a circumcision. What is it?
Tyler 43:30
An exorcism?
Misha 43:31
An exorcism! Circumcise them, exercise them. I don't want any- I don't want them around.
Tyler 43:37
Yeah.
Misha 43:38
What- like get rid of everybody. This movie didn't need to exist. I would give ones across the board for every fucking character in this movie.
Tyler 43:46
Yeah. Well, I gave the protagonist slash villain a bit higher just because Scrooge has a redemption arc... Scrooge's...
Misha 43:55
It was...
Tyler 43:56
as a character's...
Misha 43:57
so not believable in this movie.
Tyler 43:59
Yeah, I'm fine with just ones acr- protagonist, sidekick villain.
Misha 44:03
Ones across the board. Nothing. Nothing redeeming.
Tyler 44:07
Okay, also. So for those who maybe.... we also have a strong female lead and BIPOC representation slash portrayal those are going to be fucking ones as well.
Misha 44:18
Yeah, I also looked up the actors in this movie too. For BIPOC representation. It's animated. You can hire anybody and still have all white animated characters. Guess what? Dancer number 15 and dancer number four were the only non-white actors in this movie so it gets a one. If it could get a zero it would.
Tyler 44:41
Here's another fucking thing, like...
Misha 44:43
Two fucking thousand and nine.
Tyler 44:45
Yeah, here's another thing Yeah. 2009 hire some fucking people of color but also don't give... like Jim Carrey had like 400 roles. Gary Oldman had a million roles. Cary- Cary Elwes from Princess...
Misha 44:59
Yeah.
Tyler 44:59
Bride fame had a fucking million roles. Robin Wright Penn, I think she was Penn at the time... she had a couple couple roles.
Misha 45:07
She was Penn at the time. aThey got divorced the next year. Coincidence? I think not.
Tyler 45:10
Yeah. Well I don't know if we can give Sean Penn any credit for...
Misha 45:15
...well being a dick bag.
Tyler 45:17
Yeah, well, well there's that Yeah, but we can't say that the reason they got divorced was because of this film.
Misha 45:23
I think we can. I think we went 100% say that. I think she was like my life can not get any worse. I just did this piece of shit movie. My husband is a horrible monster. I've got to change something. And the movie was already done so divorce.
Tyler 45:39
Yeah.
Misha 45:40
You know, if there was something we could give an extra points to for like, you know, finding her voice
Tyler 45:47
Yeah.
Misha 45:47
...and leaving Sean Penn... I mean we could give it extra points for that but that doesn't that category doesn't exist because this is very scientific.
Tyler 45:56
Yeah, this is also it's so weird that they did this it's just an odd choice this movie like so many... I'm just befuddled because they get- okay let's just...
Misha 46:05
Why A listers would choose to do this.
Tyler 46:07
Yeah. Gary Oldman whatever you think about him, A list actor right?
Misha 46:12
Who doesn't like Gary Oldman?
Tyler 46:14
Well, he's got some like abuse allegations in his past I think I've Robin Wright. Cary Elwes: national treasure. Who else is in it?
Misha 46:24
I thought you were referring to the hit movie that everybody loves, the family favorite National Treasure?
Tyler 46:31
No, no no. National treasure because of Princess Bride and Saw. Saw one obviously. Just kidding.
Misha 46:39
Wait not Saw one through 17?
Tyler 46:41
I don't think he's in all of them that like.
Misha 46:43
Mhey're all gems.
Tyler 46:46
We're just talking about why Cary Elwes is a treasure that's all.
Misha 46:49
Yeah, he is a treasure. I don't know why he's in this.
Tyler 46:52
Fucking Bob Hoskins from...
Misha 46:53
I know.
Tyler 46:56
...from Who Framed Roger Rabbit, the Mario- Super Mario Brothers movie classic there.
Misha 46:59
Excellent movie.
Tyler 47:02
But okay, but they get all these people they pay them who knows how much money and then 99% of the movie is Jim Carrey acting with himself. And it's like...
Misha 47:10
Yeah.
Tyler 47:11
Why did you get Gary Oldman to be Bob Cratchet. Get a person of color to be Bob Cratchet like...
Misha 47:18
Get any person of color to do any voice acting.
Tyler 47:22
I mean, you don't need Jim Carrey because... Oh, by the way, I wasn't a fan of Jim Carrey in this movie at all. He was putting in work, he's trying but...
Misha 47:30
Oh, no. He was like, restrained, like throughout the movie. And then at the end, when he like realizes that he's shitty, and I don't know... wants to be generous and happy, which was so unbelievable in this movie, they're like "Okay, Jim Carrey. We're letting you off your leash. Have fun." Like that's what it seemed like. Like all of a sudden he was so different at the end from anything he was before and that's why it was part of what was so unbelievable. And you're like, "Okay, Jim Carrey showed up" not like reformed Scrooge. But Jim Carrey.
Tyler 48:04
Yeah. Also, it's just weird because from like, a voice acting side of it. Like, you know, I mean, obviously you could get anybody to do these who's like talented. You don't need Jim Carrey to do it, really. It's not like it's not like Robin Williams and Aladdin were like the characters made- based on Robin Williams' improv or whatever. But, but it- what really bothered, me one thing that really bugged me is his, his acting, like he didn't sound like an old Scrooge. He sounded like Jim Carrey trying to do an English accent.
Misha 48:37
Yeah, and his voice kept changing, like the pitch and the tone and that was difficult and annoying to deal with.
Tyler 48:45
Yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. And also when he was younger Scrooge the voice was the same. So there's like there's no aging of his voice.
Misha 48:53
Yeah, he played, like the little one in the school. The adolescent, like the young adult, he played all of them. So it was just Jim Carrey.
Tyler 49:02
But this- the voice like when there's that scene where Scrooge's fiancee leaves him, like his voice has Scrooge was the same as his voice his old Scrooge. There was no like aging for the... it's just
Misha 49:14
Right. That's right... And they they could've... right.
Tyler 49:16
They could have just gotten an old fucking person.
Misha 49:19
Yes.
Tyler 49:19
Like an old person. They get Bob Hoskins for Christ's sakes to do the work. I don't know.
Misha 49:23
Yeah.
Tyler 49:23
Danny Glover someone?
Misha 49:26
Yeah.
Tyler 49:27
I mean, Jim Carrey also a national treasure I would argue but like just something... and he clearly was like putting in some work in this movie but it just did not...
Tyler 49:27
Anybody?
Misha 49:27
Yeah.
Misha 49:35
I have mixed feelings anyway.
Tyler 49:36
Didn't work. This is no Mask. This is no Mask. This is no Batman Forever. This is obviously not his best but ugh, okay, next up. So we're just kind of skipping past strong female lead and BIPOC representation kind of two- another wonderful next category: fun factor. Think this is another fuckin one.
Misha 50:03
Aye aye aye... that's a one.
Tyler 50:06
Yep. Doesn't sit right: how many negative points can we give...?
Misha 50:10
Right? I don't think we realized like just how low you can go... like...
Tyler 50:17
So. We should put a cap on this like sort of NBA salary cap style.
Misha 50:21
Like 10?
Tyler 50:23
Negative 10?
Misha 50:24
Right? Negative one through 10; effervescence one through 10 right? Like...
Tyler 50:28
Yeah, I think...
Misha 50:29
Does it seem like too much? We're gonna end up being in the negatives here.
Tyler 50:31
Yeah, so I think this is a negative 10 for Doesn't Sit Right. Just the- it's... I don't know if we're gonna find another movie that is this...
Misha 50:39
To me...
Tyler 50:39
...unsettling to watch.
Misha 50:41
Doesn't Sit Right covers so much of these categories that... like there's nothing redeeming. There's no reason to watch this movie.
Tyler 50:53
Yeah. And I guess it didn't do well in the box office. So the little digital studio that was responsible for this, like Disney just like...
Misha 51:03
Oh, yes.
Tyler 51:04
...threw them in a foundry and let them melt and die.
Misha 51:06
Yeah.
Tyler 51:07
Like Disney was not happy with them, understandably. But...
Misha 51:10
All right.
Tyler 51:11
So effervescence is going to be a zero effervescence, just to remind the audience is that specially sort of Disney magic. That extra sparkle that this movie has none of so that's gonna be a zero.
Misha 51:21
Warm fuzzy feeling.
Tyler 51:23
Warm fuzzies Yeah.
Misha 51:25
All right, copy and paste that formula. It's just the sum of the... it's gonna be in the negatives, isn't it?
Tyler 51:33
So...
Misha 51:33
You forgot story. Where are we with story?
Tyler 51:36
So with a... Story we said... I said a seven. No, we put we put Christmas Carol. Oh, we sorry...
Misha 51:44
Then we went down to six.
Tyler 51:46
We went down to six. Yeah, and I think we forgot to save it.
Misha 51:48
The way they ruined... right. If it was the original... If it was any other Christmas Carol.
Tyler 51:53
Yes
Misha 51:54
Cause it's not the original, its own...
Tyler 51:57
Speaking of this, by the way, I... when I was you know, look- reading up on stuff and like, you know, watching the Mickey Christmas Carol and all that stuff. I've discovered that in 2019 there was a BBC Christmas Carol that, I guess went really hard in the paint on the dark part of the dark fantasy. Like...
Misha 52:16
Like for adults.
Tyler 52:18
For adults. Yeah. Which I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. That could... I could see that being... losing the whole message of Christmas cheer might be really bad. But it can't be as bad as this. So...
Misha 52:31
Now I want to watch it. I don't mind if it's dark. But if it's dark throughout, that's fine.
Tyler 52:39
But back to what you said before though, if it's- you- we- you have to like make your intentions clear. Is this a kid's movie? Is this Christmas cheer plus some scary stuff or is it "we're gonna do a gritty reboot Dark Knight style of Christmas Carol," which I think is I don't know the- what the BBC kinda sounds like.
Misha 52:58
Like if Tim Burton did A Christmas Carol. I can see it sort of, like you know, tip toeing that line of dark and spooky but like also kind of fun.
Tyler 53:08
Yeah, he's... he's good at that. I think.
Misha 53:11
Yeah, this... I mean,
Tyler 53:13
well, used to be...
Misha 53:14
There's a lot...
Tyler 53:15
Yeah, used to be... Nightmare Before Christmas.
Misha 53:18
Specifically if we are referring to one singular movie.
Tyler 53:21
And like Edward Scissors Hands.
Misha 53:23
Alice in... Alice in... what Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass?
Tyler 53:27
I forgot he did those.
Misha 53:28
The new Willy Wonka?
Tyler 53:32
I had a- before we wrap up with this, this stuff, I... there was one other thing that popped up to me that... it goes back to the tone. So when... I don't know if you noticed this but when Scrooge becomes Jim Carrey, as you said, like in the end, and he's like running around and tap dancing and sounds like the Grinch. Did you notice the off color joke? Did you hear it?
Misha 53:56
Oh, no.
Tyler 53:58
Where he's he's riding on the back of that carriage, right, sledding.
Misha 54:02
Yep.
Tyler 54:03
And he says Bob's your uncle fan is your aunt which is like a British phrase. And then he says "your aunt's fanny." Like... he says it like under his breath, which made it seem like it was Jim Carrey riffing and they forgot to take it out of the movie, but he just flat out says Bob... Bob's your uncle Fanny's your aunt. Oh, and your aunt's vagina. Like he just like says it. Lik...
Misha 54:24
Why?
Tyler 54:25
I dunno.
Misha 54:26
Is it a joke? I mean, okay, let me take it back.
Tyler 54:29
It's a play on words. But it's a bad idea... It's like, yeah, it's like awful. It doesn't make sense. It's like not a funny like, oh, joke joke....
Misha 54:39
Like, I feel like, then we should give negative points for strong female lead for him making that joke. Like...
Tyler 54:47
Yeah...
Misha 54:48
We can't. I know we can't.
Tyler 54:50
And I guess also it's like in America, Fannie means something different in... it's not as absurd-
Misha 54:56
It's a butt.
Tyler 54:57
It's a butt. It's a tushy. It's not as offensive, but I'm pretty sure in England like Fanny is a... I mean Fanny is the opposite side of the body, it's the genitals, right? But it's...
Misha 55:08
You can say vagina.
Tyler 55:10
I already said vagina. I said it quite loudly and clearly into the... vagina... vulva. Vulva.
Misha 55:14
I don't know why you're not saying it now.
Tyler 55:18
I'm just saying vulva to try to upset you. No, but um, I think I...
Misha 55:23
Why would that upset me?
Tyler 55:25
I think it's just more obscene in England. I could be wrong. Shout at me in the comments but whoever out there...
Misha 55:31
Yeah, at Tyler. Don't at me.
Tyler 55:34
How offensive is it to say an aunt's Fannie in a kid's movie? I mean, why couldn't...
Misha 55:39
Yeah, I think regardless of how like, you know, it's I don't know if it's the same as like, you know your aunt's cunt or something.
Tyler 55:48
I don't think it's that bad. But also in England, that word isn't as bad as it is in America.
Misha 55:53
Cunt or fannie?
Misha 55:54
Cunt is worse in America, I think than in England. The British people throw cunt around like Americans throw fuck around. You know.
Misha 56:02
I thought you were gonna say a football.
Tyler 56:06
Awesome. Oh my God, that's so good. Beautiful. Oh, the other thing to say before we finish is- you haven't seen this movie yet. But for instance, in the fro-
Misha 56:22
By the way before you continue, I want everybody to know that your cheeks are really pink right now. This... conversation is a little bit embarrassing for Tyler.
Tyler 56:30
It's that, it's also it's fucking hot here in this room. There's like no, and also I'm just a sweaty person in general. The internet should know that.
Misha 56:40
Yeah, but they just turned pink.
Tyler 56:42
It's probably because I said vulva like 28 times but... What I was gonna say was in 2009 Princess and the Frog came out, which was the last yes like traditionally animated movie and we'll get to it eventually but the... the difference between the two movies is...
Misha 57:00
Yeah, so I made note of that too that that came out the same year and I was just shocked.
Tyler 57:08
Yeah.
Misha 57:09
Just how this movie missed in so many ways right? The same Disney... the same company like how fucking hypocritical can you get? I just... Ooh this bothers me. This is a full negative 10 points for doesn't sit right
Tyler 57:29
Yeah, and it didn't get good... it got like all the... like some people gave it good reviews, like, like Ebert gave it like four out of four fucking...
Misha 57:36
Dumb dick.
Tyler 57:37
But... may he rest in peace. But like a bunch of people said what kind of in the most polite of terms like, like, artless detail but lacking soul. Stuff like that. I think that was from the... I forget who said that - I saw on Wikipedia. A lot of that like, looks okay, but there's something off about it. Stuff like people couldn't fi-. But the box office scores definitely showed this movie did not do well.
Misha 58:05
I thought it did well, because I remember...
Tyler 58:07
I don't think so.
Misha 58:08
No it did... it. I mean, it made money. To me it's like good or bad in the box- box office. Did it make money or did it lose money? It made money.
Tyler 58:17
It... it earned... Yeah, it made money.
Misha 58:20
Yeah, it made money.
Tyler 58:22
It made money.
Misha 58:23
It had a budget of about 200 million and it made 325 million.
Tyler 58:29
But according to the LA Times due to its poor box office performance.
Misha 58:36
Ugh all these white men.
Tyler 58:38
...Image Movers Digital, the people who made this for Disney, like was shut down.
Misha 58:42
Yeah, I saw that too.
Tyler 58:44
I think they made money but they made like 300 million off of like a $2 million.... $200 million budget.
Misha 58:49
I don't understand how this was $200 million dollars.
Tyler 58:53
It's expensive to make movies like this, like digital movies. Like...
Misha 58:58
Why would you...
Tyler 58:59
Like think of...
Misha 58:59
If you're trying to break barriers, right, with a particular style of animation. Why would you do it on A Christmas Carol, an overplayed story?
Tyler 59:13
Don't know.
Misha 59:13
Nobody- like nobody's that interested in seeing it in theaters.
Tyler 59:19
Yeah, I don't I don't know why they did it, like it's just it's a me- insane mystery. Why they why... they took this way. What was probably like from the executives a safe choice but was such a weird gamble in hindsight and
Misha 59:33
Yeah.
Tyler 59:34
...and a total wiff. They wiffed it hard.
Misha 59:38
I feel nauseous.
Tyler 59:38
What's the- What's the total score?
Misha 59:41
The total score is a whopping 11 out of 100 possible points.
Tyler 59:48
I'm gonna be totally honest. That's...
Misha 59:49
I thought it was gonna be lower.
Tyler 59:50
It's pretty generous. Yeah, that's pretty generous. Yeah... I guess...
Misha 59:56
I honestly thought we were gonna like... with that neg... like I thought we were going to be in the negatives with that Doesn't Sit Right. We got an 11, so...
Misha 1:00:05
The story and the sound, the music and the sound, elevated it. So those two alone are 11 points by the way. That's what did it.
Tyler 1:00:05
I mean I guess...
Tyler 1:00:17
Yeah.
Misha 1:00:17
Just story and sound, not even music. It was really.... I like pushed for that sound.
Tyler 1:00:23
Yeah
Misha 1:00:23
- Just... and the story they did not come up with themselves.
Tyler 1:00:28
Yeah.
Misha 1:00:28
So I think six out of those 11 points are awarded to Charles Dickens.
Tyler 1:00:37
Yeah, I agree with that.
Misha 1:00:39
Right?
Tyler 1:00:39
Yeah.
Misha 1:00:40
So, you know, if we were just to give this movie a standalone would get five points.
Tyler 1:00:50
If this were first...
Misha 1:00:51
Which is still generous.
Tyler 1:00:53
Yeah.
Misha 1:00:53
I want to give it negative.
Tyler 1:00:55
If this was the first Christmas Carol ever, I would score it very low.
Misha 1:01:03
I would too. I would give it a much lower score for story.
Tyler 1:01:06
You don't get...
Misha 1:01:07
I gave it a two.
Tyler 1:01:08
Yeah, you don't get any of the cheer. You don't get any of the like the spirit of Christmas and stuff that you're... and like Goodwill towards human kind.
Tyler 1:01:17
Yeah.
Misha 1:01:17
There's no Christmas feeling that you get, it's just morbid. Also, like I said, his trans- transformation is not believable.
Misha 1:01:21
Like while you're watching it, you don't see his progression over time. You just like this guy is just acting like a scared asshole who just doesn't want these ghosts around? Not like he's he's not portraying himself as like, I'm learning lessons as I go.
Tyler 1:01:42
Yeah.
Misha 1:01:43
And he doesn't seem to give a shit at all about anybody else except himself. Like all of it is to save himself. And that's not the point. That's not anything I've ever gotten from any of the other versions.
Tyler 1:01:55
I think you're... I think even that's too generous. Like, there's like, not even... I didn't even get like that self serving side of it's just... there's... it's just so flat. And like, just not even... there's nothing and... and just compare that to like, my boy Scrooge McDuck, doing it in the old Disney, other Disney...
Misha 1:02:15
Can we talk about...
Tyler 1:02:15
Michael Caine and the Muppets? Michael Caine.
Misha 1:02:19
That's what I'm saying. Right. I mean, a Muppet Christmas Carol is really good. If you want to watch... if... for our listeners who don't want to watch this and want to watch a really good children's A Christmas Carol, I think that's the one to watch. I've watched that one a lot. Like many times, yeah, it holds up.
Tyler 1:02:37
It holds up. I watched it last Christmas. It holds up.
Misha 1:02:41
Mm hmm.
Tyler 1:02:42
Well, I guess that probably brings us to the end of this Sisyphean journey we've been haunted today.
Misha 1:02:50
What a horrible journey.
Tyler 1:02:51
Yeah. Next up is a Goofy Movie, which I'm excited for because I haven't seen it in a long time. And I remember liking it a lot. So...
Misha 1:02:59
Me too. I loved it when I was a kid. I also have not seen in a long time. So I'm excited to watch this one.
Tyler 1:03:05
I... should we make any predictions for it? Or? No?
Misha 1:03:09
I was so worried that every... I'm going to hate every movie we rewatch that we liked when we were kids. So I kind of don't want to...
Tyler 1:03:17
Yeah, I'm predicting like a high originality score. Just because I remember being like, pretty original for a Disney.
Misha 1:03:25
I mean, Pauly Shore. He hasn't been canceled, has he?
Tyler 1:03:29
Pauly Sho- I don't know. He might be like, he might be like, alt-right guy who knows. But...
Misha 1:03:35
Yeah, I'm I'm really excited for Pauly Shore.
Tyler 1:03:41
Totally forgot he was in it. Yeah.
Misha 1:03:43
Oh, yeah.
Tyler 1:03:44
There was some good music too. I actually don't want to say that because I don't remember and I don't want to... I don't want that to be clipped out and...
Misha 1:03:51
I do too. I kind of remember. I'm excited for this one. It'll be good.
Tyler 1:03:55
Yeah it'll be good.
Misha 1:03:55
I'm just gonna say- I'm gonna predict that we... it's enjoyable. It's fun. Yeah. So we'll see.
Tyler 1:04:04
Well until next time, on Much Abu About Nothing. What a silly name.
Misha 1:04:12
I love it. All right. Bye, everyone.
Tyler 1:04:17
Bye.